By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

What do you have to do to get arrested in the United States or Great Britain.  We are watching the coverup of the rigged invasion of Iraq for profit falling apart in Britain.  Tony Blair, who is being proven to be war criminal closer to Hitler than Noriega, is absolutely certain he will go scot free despite being totally “busted.”  Even an attorney like John Ashcroft could get him in front of a firing squad.  If we began down the same path here in the US, Bush and his whole gang would be, either doing time, or waiting for the needle.  No new laws, just one honest cop dragging the gang in front of a US Magistrate as our laws demand, laws we all seem to have forgotten.

Why stop there?  We talk “term limits” as though we weren’t really saying “People should only be allowed to be criminals only so long before more are hired to take their places.”  Are we so deluded that we think we are going to get a turn at the trough?

If you are going to draw a line in the sand, it has to be at 9/11, the “Rubicon” of American history.  Even if you accept the cover story, airplanes that dissolve, buildings that magically implode, disappearing air forces, missing videos as “trillion to one” coincidences and discard  the thousands of airline pilots, military officers, engineers, all patriotic Americans that spend their lives raging in helpless frustration at the inability to make anyone care, the whole filthy and disgusting mess, history still stops dead at 9/11.  Anything we do from now on will be built on a mountain of horse manure.

Rubicon, watershed, national suicide, false flag, treason, mass murder…..these are just words, words we hear every day.  They get thrown around so much they mean nothing at all.  We know a few things without having to prove the magic of Building 7 at the World Trade Center simply disappearing for no reason at all or the endless mechaniations of billions of dollars in profits, from the WTC leases to the stock manipulation to the “slight of hand” used to collapse the world economic system with only middle class and poor having any real losses.  Rigged.  The whole thing was a game.  If you have another explanation, please let me know.

Why do I have nightmares about Palestinians dancing on the deck of the USS Liberty with the ghost of Osama bin Laden looming over them?  If you watch the MSM for your news, you read this and scratch your head.  If you ask hard questions and love your country, my vision will remind you of the rage you feel inside.   Getting the truth in America is akin to shopping for a back alley abortion in pre Roe v. Wade America.

I don’t want to prove anything.  We had a commission for that.  Folks like Donald Rumsfeld came in front  of the 9/11 Commission and told one childish lie after another.  How he got out of the building without being handcuffed and dragged to Gitmo himself, I can’t imagine.  I wonder how the commission members felt having to thank him for his “patriotic efforts” knowing he wasn’t just the stupid liar he seemed, but more likely part of some criminal conspiracy.  It is all there on the public record.  A child could find it.  Where are the children?

9/11 is a game, even for President Obama.  He is so utterly stupid that he is using the honest questions about this national tragedy to attack “conspiracy theorists” who he believes are responsible for his loss of crediblity.  Has he considered that spending a year sitting on his brains might be causing people to lose confidence in him?  I have these thoughts more than occasionally and I worked to have him elected.  How do you spell t-o-o-l?

I don’t want to talk about Patriot Acts or “nano-thermite” that makes buildings fall down or why dozens of key government officials seem to be working overtime to grind the United States into the ground for a handful of coins.  Why can’t we just have some simple law and order, Texas style, you know, the George “W” Bush kind, arrest them, execute them and declare them guilty.  Who better to be subjected to real justice than someone who has dedicated his life to deny it to others?

Please!  Anyone who has tried to tell me the Pentagon was hit by an airplane, a huge airliner with no wings, engines, baggage, fuel, tail assembly, a plane that could fly corkscrews around an F16, please, get me those folks, handcuffs, burlap bag over the head and about 20 minutes of taser time just for “bad attitude.”


Hey, here’s a good one.  If you want to duplicate the dynamics of an aircraft engine hitting the side of the Pentagon, an engine full of parts that are indestructible, let’s do this:

Buy a can of dog food.  Throw it at the base of a stone wall as though it were a handball.  See if it vaporizes or bounces back and hits you in the face.  While wiping the blood off the moderately dented can and picking up the chipped tooth, imagine increasing the speed by 400% and the hardness of the can by 2000%.  Would the engine have flown 100 yards?  Would the wall have been filled with shredded aluminum, titanium and ceramic chips?  Who needs the NTSB, we could do this in an episode of Jackass on MTV.


Before the wreckage was removed, there was no wreckage.  Was the Pentagon hit by a motorcycle?  Why don’t we see this real photograph?  Can someone build a mockup and test to see how many thousands of hours and the type of machinery it would take to cut an airliner to pieces, collect those parts from a normal 80 acre crash site and carry them all inside two offices?

Pentagon 9/11



For decades we fought over whether cigarettes caused cancer.  Scientists working for tobacco companies, Nobel prize winners, cancer specialists, famous humanitarians, one after another in an endless parade swore up and down that there was no rational science behind ties between smoking and any illness, much less cancer.  Little has changed since then.

Knowing how few Americans can really use a computer, much less access information from the internet, or, as with members of Congress, that facility known as the Library of Congress, one of the world’s largest information storage and retrieval systems with millions in funding and hundreds of “finders and lookers” at  their beck and call, may have to replace Google as a source of information.  What information are we talking about?

What does a smashed dog food can or, perhaps a jet engine actually look like after hitting something at terminal velocity.  I will save Congress the millions of dollars and the need for a blue ribbon panel of physicists, knowing that the global warming debate is taking up all their time anyway.  For your enjoyment, a real photograph of a real jet engine:

Veterans Today Senior Editor Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and regular contributor on political and social issues.

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  1. Rex Carlson  March 5, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Your humor is always amazing – and blazing! I love it!

    Excluding totally random events, either one of two things is going to happen.

    1. Nothing – the status quo remains


    2. Something – they declare permanent martial law

    Either way, they win.

  2. Nelson_2008  February 28, 2010 at 7:01 am

    Yo, it’s a settled matter that the roofline of WTC7 fell with free-fall acceleration, for over two seconds (with debris piling up it has to slow and stop at some point, no?), while maintaining a perfect or nearly perfect profile. Anyone with internet access and a functioning brain can easily verify this for themselves in a few minutes time.

    This means that all vertical structural support was removed, essentially simultameously, throughout the whole building. To assert that this precision “collapse” was the result of “fire” is laughably absurd on its face.

    But even this point, as obvious and as damning as it is, is almost academic and superfluous at this point, because video analyses are now available which clearly point out cutter charges at work in the collapse of the North Tower.

    You want to “debunk” something ? Let’s have you start by providing a compelling counter-explanation for what can be seen in the following video clip:

  3. PAPA-GEORGE  February 24, 2010 at 4:46 pm


  4. booglede  February 24, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Gordon is a genuine American of yore when his country was not taken over by the
    military-industrial complex and vicious vested interests etc. hope others can be as candid and objective as he has learnt to be, perhaps thanks to his rich experiences in public service.Bravo!

  5. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    These military conspiracy theorists are amusing in a strange way.

    Lets boil this down.
    The intelligence community plans to crash a remote controlled drone into the pentagon in broad daylight, knowing that average citizens and firemen and police and government employees will see the drone and not a plane, and you think this is the kind of plan they would approve? That is utterly ridiculous and an insult to the military. Military intelligence would not be that incredibly stupid. The cost of outfitting an actual 757 with remote control system would be minimal and it would avoid the need for countless average citizens to make up stories about seeing a plane that was really a drone. Does that fit your experience in the military, that the planning is so downright stupid that a child with a camera can blow the cover of an operation on this scale? No, sorry, its ridiculous and insulting to the military for people to believe this.

    You should know better.

  6. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    So the people who base their opinions on facts and photos are sheeple, but those whe base their opinions on a small carefully edited set of facts and a small carefully edited set of photos are not?

    Think deeper. If you really want to know what happened on 9/11 then you will never need to claim these photos do not exist. You will never need to claim that those eyewitnesses are all liars who joined some vast government conspiracy spontaneously.

    The depth of ignorance from conspiracy theorists is amazing. The lengths they need to go to, the lies they need to tell.. truly amazing. Search for those photos, you can find them. You don’t need a link from me, just search for ‘plane wreckage at the pentagon’ and you will see them for yourself. After that, will you come back and correct yourself?

  7. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Search for the photos and you will see plenty. Aluminum? Check. Pieces of fuselage, wings, engines, bodies. If you only rely on paranoiacs with books and videos to sell then you will be fooled every time. Try to be skeptical instead of a crank.

  8. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Despite the fact that this makes the population of Washington DC all liars, right? How can you justify that spontaneous formation of a conspiracy by average citizens?

  9. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    No such admittance was made. You have been lied to. Cite your sources.

  10. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    How do you explain the necessity of various members of the citizenship of Washington DC needing to spontaneously join this conspiracy? If the pentagon crash was not an airliner, then those countless eyewitnesses are all liars. Your inability to understand this simple point makes you appear quite foolish and unthinking.

  11. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    None of the buildings that collapsed on 9/11 did so at or near free fall velocity. This is simple to prove. Even the carefully selected misrepresentative photos that appear so often on conspiracy websites can be used to prove this. Those photos show the collapse, and they show that elements of the building have fallen far below the collapse point. This is definitive proof that the ‘free fall collapse’ meme is false. Now that you know that you have been lied to by cranks selling books and videos, do you wonder why they are lying to you or are you just going to go on believing their lies when the photographic evidence contradicts them so clearly?

  12. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    The engine part has been identified by experts, and they disagree with your version. Which is more realistic.. that hundreds to thousands of people who claim they saw a plane fly overhead, knock down some street lights and crash into the pentagon are all liars, spontaneously joining into a vast conspiracy… or that some cranks on the internet deliberately choose to only show certain photos and pretend the others don’t exist? Do you really think all of those eye witnesses are liars? Are you that much of a conspiracy theorist?

    You are either part of a conspiracy to misrepresent what happened on 9/11, or you are being willfully ignorant. The photos are real, the eyewitness testimony is available for anyone who wants to check.

    Do you profit from you misrepresentations? Do you have some book to sell or something?

  13. JTK  February 23, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    You can search for photos of plane wreckage at the pentagon and find it in a matter of moments. How can you pretend otherwise when anyone who wants to can simply search for them? If you really believe what you claim to believe, how can you justify pretending these photos do not exist?

  14. Kipper  February 15, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Holocaust deniers and 9/11 conspiracy debunkers…if you’ve seen one you seen them all. Your cover has been blown Shea.
    Thank you for the inspiring and uplifting article. With so many sheeple in the world it is hard to stay focused on trying to save the world from the evil-doers.
    For more good 9/11 reading…. please see this site.

  15. yebiga  January 31, 2010 at 2:44 am

    Evidence of widespread official collusion in the execution and cover-up of events that occurred on September 11, 2011 are beyond any reasonable doubt. Any investigation would result in 100s of arrests, convictions and inevitably a number of executions.

    The aftermath of public opinion would demand something akin to a revolution. Any exposed complicity of the CIA, FBI and other intelligence agencies would destroy thousands of careers. The existing institutions would have to be closed and reconstructed with tighter laws and controls. Make no mistake these agencies understand they are in a fight for their very survival and will do whatever is necessary to prevent any proper investigation.

    What would happen to the complicit members of the Bush administration, the military, the Silversteins, the 911 commission, members of congress and parts of the media?

    I can see that finding the truth may actually be more horrifying then living with the lie. It is perhaps this fear that prevents otherwise honorable men and women from pursuing any further investigation; that it would tear the country apart.

    On the other hand, I firmly believe the continuing perpetuation of this lie has consequences which are catastrophic to the US and the world. Forgetting for a moment the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Orwellian war on the Terror, the dilution of civil rights, the loss of US prestige around the globe; worse than all this is the fracturing of trust. Unconsciously or consciously how can any of us trust our governments and their officials. At our peril we ignore that it is trust that foremost powers an advanced civilization; its body politic, its technology, its systems and most of all its economy.

    A criminal act of unprecedented scope has been committed by our most trusted representatives and it is our very decency which prevents us from prosecuting them. But in failing to act we empower them and encourage others to perpetuate not only old but new and yet bigger atrocities.

    We are in a state of paralysis. Unable to face the truth, we are trapped inside the rabbit hole; whilst we remain there, the USA must inevitably decline. Without trust the only alternative is increasing paranoia, war, and reduced economic action.

  16. Gordon Duff  January 30, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    The fighting is good. This was a veterans site and to some extent still is. Thus, we, the vets, all scream at each other over one childish thing or another anyway. Vets aren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack.

    I do enjoy my “spam” button on my editors console. I edit away the most objectionable mindless tools and let real people fight it out. I am very proud of the readers who post, so many are passionate, many are brilliant. As for the “tools”….go to http://www.military.com

    or the Fox News blogs with others of your ilk.

  17. Shea Brown  January 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Please accept my apology for the personal attack Auberon. I so wish I were always able to stick with just intelligent discourse,,it doesn’t help my point to make attacks,, and I sincerely apologize. Shea.

  18. Shea Brown  January 30, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Hey there,, I read “War is a Racket” every week,, I am very familiar with it,, I recommend it a lot myself. I try to be very honest and sincere in my posts,,and sometimes I have a couple of drinks and make personal attacks out of frustration. My bad. I’m one of the guys who likes to talk about politics AND religion when I go out late at night! Guess I was never meant to succeed on the debate team,, but I do love a spirited conversation. Gordon was right in his recommendation to me,, we should be building bridges,, not making personal attacks. Please accept my apology for getting personal. I will try to improve.I appreciate very much these pages where we can discuss better ways to get the job done. War is indeed a racket,, and Obama’s two paragraphs about war seems to reveal that fact. Two paragraphs in a seventy minute speech. Guess war and heroin are both the red headed step child. No one wants to talk about it. Peace, Shea.

  19. Shea Brown  January 30, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Just like everyone else, Gordon, I get frustrated,, but you are absolutely correct,, it does little good to make personal attacks,,just a weak excuse for no better words or logic,, please accept my apology.
    Still,,I believe,, there is little sense in believing that anything other than flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Quite amazing how heroin was not mentioned one time in Obama’s speech the other night. Will try to only write here when I am sober,,, can’t absolutely promise,, but will really try. Thanks for the conversations your work begins,, Shea.

  20. Auberon Barnable  January 26, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Once again the personal attacks without any serious debate. I’m not going to waste any more time with you.

  21. Mr Grinch  January 26, 2010 at 3:05 am

    Real patriots question their Government when it seems to be illegitimate or dishonest.

    Shea I suggest you read “War Is A Racket” by Smedley Butler… (14 pp)
    “War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a booklet, by retired U.S. Marine Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of only 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, in which Butler frankly discusses from his experience as a career military officer how business interests have commercially benefited from warfare.

    After he retired from the Marine Corps, Gen. Butler made a nationwide tour in the early 1930s giving his speech “War is a Racket”.[1] The speech was so well received that he wrote a longer version as a small book with the same title that was published in 1935 by Round Table Press, Inc., New York. The booklet was also condensed in Reader’s Digest as a book supplement which helped popularize his message. In an introduction to the Reader’s Digest version, Lowell Thomas, the “as told to” author of Butler’s oral autobiographical adventures, praised Butler’s “moral as well as physical courage”.[2]”

  22. Gordon Duff  January 26, 2010 at 1:51 am


    Please keep discussions of service of others down to basic grilling of “where have you been and what have you done” and not accusations. I think we have about 2 dozen very serious combat vets here….200 plus days sleeping on the ground…100% disabled….some multiple amputees…

    and a heirarchy of those with less experience.

    What any of this means? I can’t really tell you. I generally win the “too dumb to get out of the field award” or did until I brought Bill Eckard onboard. Barry Windell comes close as Does Doc Henry and a few others.

    Nowhere does it prove any of us are geniuses. We have had a couple of strong days of comments. Let’s make some relationships here and build, not destroy.


  23. Shea Brown  January 26, 2010 at 1:25 am

    I quote you again,,
    “Our once greaty country is in its final death throes and you’ve still got your head in the sand.”

    No, we are NOT in our death throes,, and no one who was EVER EVER in any branch of ANY special branch of U.S. forces would EVER say that. You sir,, have quite obviously outed yourself.

    Funny how the Air Force never sent anyone to compete in service judo competitions in North Carolina. But they do have some damn fine mechanics.
    You are not a real person. You find this conversation interesting,, but you are not a valid person. You just proved it.
    Just like if you are in a bar, and someone tells you they are an ex SEAL,, and they are smoking a cigarette,,, you sir,, are in that category. But feel the love,, you can get better,,maybe. SEALS don’t smoke, and ex special forces personnel don’t try to tell us our nation is in its death throes. Outed dude,,, any comment?????

  24. Gordon Duff  January 26, 2010 at 1:12 am

    In comparison to John Hagee or Pat Robertson, I am a trained theologan (I am not sure I can even spell it) and I am an athiest.


  25. Shea Brown  January 26, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Dear God,
    I want to thank you SO VERY much for this lone voice of reason on this discussion board, from “Bob Y.”
    Just when I was thinking that the entire world had lost its ability to reason functionally, this quiet voice shows up, out of the wilderness,,, thank you God,,, you are indeed a wise and kind leader, and healer.
    Your Big fan,

  26. Gordon Duff  January 26, 2010 at 1:10 am

    My belief is that the primary concept for 9/11 was drawn up by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and Presented to Bush who got it OK’d thru Karl Rove. They then sought support from foreign intelligence services. I doubt the Mossad and ISI work together.

    The idea was to invent a group called Al Qaeda and blame it on them.

    Too bad it all backfired on them.


  27. Shea Brown  January 26, 2010 at 1:06 am

    David Ray Griffin a valid theologian? Guess you measure his theological expertise with the same
    standards by which you research and measure the opinions of his “experts.” God,, get some sleep. Senior year in high school will be tougher,, rest up dude.
    David Ray Griffin a theologian. Damn,, that is funny.
    Oh,, wait a second,, here,,” God is huge!”,,, now I’M a theologian! I wrote about it,, somebody read it,, and by your standards, I am now a theologian.
    Wait a minute,,,do you really work for Booz-Hamilton, and are just pretending to be a high school student? This makes much more sense to me.

  28. Shea Brown  January 26, 2010 at 12:55 am

    So,, you don’t speculate?
    what is this?
    “To me they mean that rogue elements within the US Government with assistance from the Pakistani ISI and Israeli Mossad orchestrated the 9/11 event from beginning to end with the help of a few patsies from that CIA controlled asset called Al Qaida.”
    So,, you don’t speculate?
    I imagine college will be quite challenging for you young friend.

  29. Auberon Barnable  January 25, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Bob Y:

    No the planes likely didn’t “go to another world”. Chances are good that there never was a Flight 77. I mean just look at how truly bizarre the passenger list is for this flight:


    Show me a picture of a “passenger jet” crashing into the Pentagon. I really would like to see that. The few frames of a video that has been released by the FBI only show a blurry object that looks nothing like a Boeing 757.

    New evidence is uncovered constantly. I guess you haven’t heard about the microspheres found in the WTC dust proving military-grade nano-thermite was used to help bring down the towers.

    If you really believe people who question the official version of events on 9/11 are in the minority you obviously get your news from the mainstream media who are in on the coverup and want you to believe that this is just a fringe group seeking attention. In fact a 2006 Zogby Poll finds 42% of voting age Americans believe there has been a coverup by the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission regarging the 9/11 attacks. And get this: 43% of Americans aren’t aware of such basic information as the WTC Building 7 collapse on 9/11. That’s right, the mainstream media did their best to make sure people didn’t see video of this perfect controlled demolition collapse at freefall speed. This fact wasn’t even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.Go read the full Zogby poll info here:


    You think the things we’re saying here regarding 9/11 are far out only because you haven’t spent the time to look into this yourself. I understand you’re a Patriot and you don’t want to believe your country to could slaughter thousands of its own citizens like this. I’m also Patriotic and was in the USAF (spec ops. Hurlburt Fld) for 6 years (luckily got out before the Iraq war). You have no idea how many sleepless nights uncovering this information has caused me, but denial doesn’t help the situation. You have to understand that our government has been taken over by foreign bankers and the only reason you still have any freedoms at all are because of the 2nd ammendment and the millions of U.S. gun owners, though they are doing their best to disarm us right now. The Patriot Act, the warrantless wiretapping and spying on U.S. citizens, the torture, the justification for preemptive wars. All of this and more are predicated by the 9/11 Lie.

    Why don’t you stop swalling everything the mainstream media tells you and think for yourself. Our once greaty country is in its final death throes and you’ve still got your head in the sand.

  30. Gordon Duff  January 25, 2010 at 5:14 am

    Yes, but a little tiny one with no people on it.

  31. Gordon Duff  January 25, 2010 at 4:16 am

    I am one of the Hatton MacDuffs of Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Family has been here since..1780…settled in Detroit. John is probably family.
    Whisky smugglers and murderers mostly, thus….landed gentry.


  32. Mr Grinch  January 25, 2010 at 1:26 am

    For anyone who wants to research 9/11 heres a few good resources…


    Ill put these people up against the propagandists at popular mechanics anytime…(Hearst {PM} publications has admitted it provided the needed pro war propaganda to justify the Spanish American War, just look up “yellow press”)

    For the skeptics try this one on for size.
    download it for free.

  33. Bob Y  January 24, 2010 at 6:22 pm


    I have been reading all this . Have all the people in the planes gone to another world? I think you are trying to upset the people of the USA and rest of the world. How can the pic of the plane going in to the Pentagon be faked? I have seen it for a moment before the crash.I have read this same stuff years ago, and nothing has changed except more people have been caught as part of the ones involved. I believe this talk is nothing but the works of someone that has got a bad deal. If all this happened like you say it did, how come you all are in such a MINORITY. This website has SOME good in it, but it is not the parts on trying to kill America. We had some of the crap go on from the Korean war. All you want to is make out that you are right and the majority of us are wrong. If you are not telling the way you feel about 9/11 you are on the butts of the VA system. That’s another thing some of you have got all wrong. I have been in the VA system for about 60 years and have seen some things that was wrong, but no where near as you try to make it out. All it takes is a few fools that get a bad deal or error made by the VA and you spread the word that the complete system is racked with errors. Of course there are some. Why not when, you look at the overload of the work they are trying to get done. One of the things that is loading the system is the large amount of Vets trying to get Comp., for anything they can think of. When the troopers go to combat and have all the dope they want, then they try to blame it on the system because their minds are warped. You have them coming in that never fired a weapon in battle. All it takes is a few to make everything look wrong, then you come to this site and blast it out to a few that like reading all the lies. Don’t talk about DC being a bunch of liars when the same crap goes on here. Don’t get me wrong, as there is some good information that is given here. The only thing about the good stuff is, you all want to slam the heck out of some parts of it.. You twist the words around with far out remarks. No examples needed as it is in black and white for all to see. If things are as bad in the country as you make out, why don’t you just go over to the countries that will like what you say, You call yourselves Americans and then beat the heck out of us that stand up and be proud to have fought for our country. I must sign off for now with these last remarks. Yes things do go wrong and always will, but I will stay here in the greatest country in the world. It proves that you can show hate-discontent- tell lies and the country, as you are free to do so.— Sincerely, Bob

  34. Marlboro Man  January 24, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    As a Vietnam Vet also and have seen my share of Helo and a couple c130s crash sites there is no way a 757 hit the Pent.! No engines nothing but a few sraps of alum. also the Pent. has more sec. camras than anyplace on eath where are the tapes? You will never see them !!! Good call on this one also if you belive POP MECH I could sell you a good used car ?

  35. Gordon Duff  January 24, 2010 at 3:45 am

    duh on this one.

  36. duncan  January 24, 2010 at 2:36 am

    9/11 reminds me of that old joke about the man caught by his wife in flagrante, “who you gonna believe honey, me or your own lyin’ eyes?”
    The latest Supreme Court decision re corp as person entitled to give unlimited campaign donations should be enough to tell us exactly which way the wind is blowing in our formerly great republic, cui bono, indeed!
    And now our own hopeychange is demanding an end to all this foolish conspiracy talk, we lost our country with the assassination of JFK, remember George the first, If the American people really knew what we had done, are doing, they would hang us from the lightposts! Amazing quote, I have here paraphrased, then came Clinton and Bush 2 and O, none being who they seemed!
    Alas, Babylon!

  37. Mr Grinxch  January 24, 2010 at 2:25 am

    “How can you prople keep believing all that crap that it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon?”

    How can you believe the junk the Government and MSM keep dumping on you?

    Anyone with an IQ over 75 and an open mind can see clear as day that the MSM story is impossible and has been changing constantly since day one.

    I mean cant you see how its been used to justify the demolition of the constitution? Wiretapping Americans, TORTURE, pre emptive invasions, obscene financial fraud and the now complete demolition of the political system?

    No wonder they’re chaffing at the bit to confiscate American’s firearms.


  38. Bob Y  January 24, 2010 at 1:29 am

    How can you prople keep believing all that crap that it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon?

  39. Auberon Barnable  January 24, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Shea Brown:

    I’ve actually been researching 9/11 since 2003 and have read dozens of books and watched many documentaries outlining the available evidence. I have read arguments for and against including the Popular Mechanics article and their followup book. The reason I mentioned David Ray Griffin was because his book specifically analyzes and counters the Popular Mechanics article. I do recommend reading “Debunking 9/11 Debunking” unless you are afraid of the truth. By no means is Griffin “a conspiracy buff sensationalist writer”. He’s a theologian and the only conspiracy his books refer to is 9/11. He is not sensationalist, he articulately debunks the official version of events using the available evidence.

    To answer your questions:
    You ask “If 77 did not hit the Pentagon, where is it, and where are the passengers?” You’re asking me to speculate and I don’t speculate. A truly independent investigation into 9/11 might help find the answer.

    You ask “Why is it necessary to believe that something other than an airliner hit the Pentagon?” Well because the available evidence indicates something other than an airliner hit the Pentagon.

    You ask “What exactly do the words “9-11 was an inside job” really mean? To me they mean that rogue elements within the US Government with assistance from the Pakistani ISI and Israeli Mossad orchestrated the 9/11 event from beginning to end with the help of a few patsies from that CIA controlled asset called Al Qaida.

    And yes, you are definitely a disinfo agent. You keep mentioning “facts” but not bringing any to the table. Instead your opinion seem dependent on “the personal eyewitness testimony of extremely sincere men and women”. So far these “sincere men and women” you speak of have all been on the government payroll and their testimony conflicts with the evidence. And what about those sincere men and women who’s testimony includes explosions in the lobbies of the north and south WTS towers who’s statements actually agree with the evidence? Instead you compare 9/11 Truth with religious dogma, UFO conspiracies, etc. You use the old tired “You are an incredible insult to the families who lost loved ones on 9-11. ” when in fact many of these families are part of the 9/11 Truth movement and want a new investigation.

    You haven’t actually done any research into 9/11 at all have you?

  40. M Cooley  January 24, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Excellent article – I appreciate this one – especially because it’s from a Veteran with such a knowledgeable background …

  41. Shea Brown  January 23, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Dear Auberon Barnable,

    I know this is just wasting my time , and I feel a little foolish making the bother. I suggest that you read something other than David Ray Griffin, and you suggest I read his OTHER book. Have YOU read the Popular Mechanics article?
    This reminds me of discussing if Jesus was actually God with a fundamentalist Christian.
    But more importantly, I know I am wasting my time here, because you have not bothered to address any of my points,, such as,,
    1) If 77 did not hit the Pentagon, where is it, and where are the passengers?
    2) Why is it necessary to believe that something other than an airliner hit the Pentagon?
    3) The main issue to be considered here about 9-11 is the serious mind control exerted over the hijackers.

    I guess you would now just suggest that I read the Griffin book,,, and just like the fundamentalist defending his religious beliefs, you would suggest that I must read the Bible and take every word literally.
    Me,, an agent of disinformation? No,, not really,, just an average guy with some common sense,, who quite clearly sees that it is indeed foolish to disregard the life’s work and respected opinions, and personal eyewitness testimony of extremely sincere men and women. You,, on the other hand, claim your opinion through the work of one writer, David Griffin,, a conspiracy buff
    sensationalist writer. Please,, either address my questions and points, or just continue to worship at the altar of absurdity, where it seems your very limited investigative powers allow you to relax so comfortably.
    And what exactly do the words “9-11 was an inside job” really mean? Perhaps you consider Griffin’s theories facts. To ignore the facts that prove beyond any rational serious doubt that flight 77 hit the Pentagon is folly.
    Yes, 9-11 was a conspiracy,, and perhaps we will never know just how deep this conspiracy ran or who exactly was behind it. Was it initiated by the Saudis,, or Israel, or both together,, or the oil companies,, or all three with the help of a private secret Satanic cult?
    And yes,, we should continue to investigate this conspiracy energetically and enthusiastically with logical and rational questions,, not pathetic time wasting dribble about a missile hitting the Pentagon.
    I know Auberon,, just let my eyes flow over the Griffin text,, and let my heart open and my mind open to the suggestions and spirit of what the author intended when he wrote it,, and we will all wait for the “rapture” to straighten this whole mess out for us.
    When is your book coming out? I can’t wait. Oh,, here it is now; “Proof that Aliens Captured Passengers on Flights 77 and 93 on 9-11, and Are Holding them and Demanding A Ransom of Fresh Earthly Vegetables For their Release.” Perhaps your hero Griffin will write the intro for you.
    i suggest you begin with a comic book format,, lots of drawings and lime green space suits, and cute chicks with tight tops. You probably don’t realize it, but you are an incredible insult to the families who lost loved ones on 9-11. A missile into the Pentagon? Increase your oxygen intake,, lay off the strong weed,, get some sleep,, see a doctor just to make sure blood is getting to your brain,, take two aspirin,, and get to work on that comic book. I think you have some ability in that area,, because you have already made me laugh. And buy one of those bike helmets,, they are relatively inexpensive and can help prevent any more brain trauma for you,, and will also give us the heads up when you enter a room. You are special. Or,, just perhaps you might actually read the Popular Mechanics article,, and welcome your self back into the real world. Reality man,,, what a trip!

  42. rlshut  January 23, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Shea, it all comes down to who you believe, Popular Mechanics, not! The U.S. Government(N.I.S.T.)have proven themselves to be liars by admitting free fall(2.3 seconds)at WTC #7. Thank you Mr. Gordon Duff for the article. Thank you for speaking the truth.

  43. Auberon Barnable  January 23, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Shea Brown:

    You’ve now exposed yourself as a disinfo agent. As you well know David Ray Griffin has debunked the Popular Mechanics article “Debunking 9/11 Myths” and their later efforts with his book “Debunking 9/11 Debunking”. I suggest you read it again as it thorougly deconstructs this perfect example of yellow journalism.

    9/11 was an inside job. Anyone with an open mind who can cut through the psychological trauma of what this actually means, who looks into the available facts and evidence available will come to this conclusion.

  44. Shea Brown  January 23, 2010 at 10:55 am

    PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories. The following were particularly helpful.

    Air Crash Analysis
    Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

    Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

    Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

    Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

    Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

    Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
    ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

    Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
    New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

    Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

    Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

    Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

    Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center
    Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

    James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

    Jeff Pillets senior writer,
    The Record, Hackensack, NJ

    Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

    Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
    119th Wing, North Dakota
    Air National Guard

    Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

    Air Defense
    Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
    U.S. Air Force

    Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
    Tyndall Air Force Base

    Boston Center regional air traffic control

    Laura Brown spokeswoman,
    Federal Aviation Administration

    Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

    Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

    Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

    Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
    North American Aerospace Defense Command

    Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
    Andrews AFB

    Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

    John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

    Hank Price spokesman, Federal
    Aviation Administration

    Warren Robak RAND Corp.

    Bill Shumann spokesman,
    Federal Aviation Administration

    Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

    Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

    Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

    Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

    Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week

    Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

    Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
    director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

    Image Analysis
    William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

    W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
    FEMA Probe Team

    Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

    Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

    Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

    Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

    Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

    Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
    University of California, San Diego

    Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
    Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

    David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

    Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

    Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

    Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

    John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

    Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

    Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

    Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
    CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

    Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

    William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

    John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

    Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
    Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

    James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

    Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

    Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

    Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

    Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

    Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
    acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

    Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

    Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
    San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

    (Guess there might be a few sophomores heavy into weed, and some high schoolers who know more than these very valid experts,,,and yeah, a friend of mine who was on flight 77 just called me,, he’s in Barcelona hiding from his wife and kids and wants to borrow some money from me.
    Please read something other than David Ray Griffin,, please,, your articles are much too smart for stuff like this.)

  45. Shea Brown  January 23, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Well, not one point I made was addressed. Again, I would suggest that the Popular Mechanics article “Debunking 9-11 Myths” is a very good read,, with facts.
    In all honesty,, these conspiracy notions about the pentagon crash,, the Pennsylvania crash, and building no.7 are all a little disappointing to me. Reality is a marvelous remedy,, try a little,, I find that by searching fact based research works best for me. Of course I also believe that Jesus was a very vocal tax protester, and a threat to Roman rule,, and when he said render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s I think he was really saying,, if it never was Caesar’s in the first place,, why should we be paying Caesar anything?
    High school level responses today, from a crew who is not very well read. Here is the PM article address again,, and I will try to click the picture below,, but it didn’t work before, so I have little faith it will do it now.
    picture outside pentagon on 9-11 of airliner debris, and
    address for Popular Mechanics article,,Debunking 9-11 Myths.


    Flight 77 Debris
    Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. “In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found,” claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, “What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?”

    Aftermath: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon’s lawn — proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. (Photograph by AP/Wide World Photos)

    FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. “It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?”

    PEACE. Cut through all the bullshit, and there it is, sitting right in front of you.

    “Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than about peace, more about killing than we know about living.” ( General Omar N. Bradley)

    ” Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.” ( Dr. Seuss)

    Well, picture is not here,, sorry about that,, go to the article and read about 9-11.

  46. Nelson_2008  January 23, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Great article.

    To the extent it’s been possible (for at least the last few years) for “reasonable” people to “debate” whether or not the WTC towers were the victims of a controlled demolition, the debate is now over.

    The latest video analysis, by David Chandler, regarding the demise of WTC1, irrefutably proves that the building was brought down with pre-planted explosives.

    There’s simply no other plausible explanation for the events highlighted in this video clip.

    That indisputably means that 9/11 was an intricate, high tech deception – an inside job – apparently carried out by trained, state sponsored actors with essentially unlimited resources at their disposal.

    Let’s face it, 9/11 was about PNAC, and PNAC is about Israel. Just like the attack on the USS Liberty, 9/11 was a Zionist crime, and just like with the attack on the USS Liberty, the 9/11 crime was facilitated by high level traitors in the U.S. government who’ve thus far prevented any meaningful investigation.

    Lastly, an intricate, high tech crime by state sponsored actors (Mossad), would be expected to have an intricate cover-up effort as well. Check out this part of the cover-up psy-op:

    It points right to Israel, just like all the rest of the evidence.

  47. Dave Diggins  January 23, 2010 at 6:09 am

    Thank you for your service to your country.

    That great service is evidenced in what you have written here.

    Thank you!

    I am inspired by your reckoning.

    9/11: WTC1 northwest corner view

    Molten metal squib in lower half of tower


  48. winston smith  January 23, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Thank you sir for your insight,a very painful truth.

  49. Ethan Allen  January 23, 2010 at 4:50 am

    Yipes. Great repartee around here. I must weigh in. I’m in my late fifties. My dad was a radioman, 1st Marines, WW2. He was proud, in a quiet way, of his service. Very patriotic. Mom,s father was in the Marines, too. He couldn’t get back in for WW2, but they let him in to the Navy. He spent the war rewiring Pearl. Mom was very patriotic, too. She opposed the Vietnam War, and marched with her son, me, in the second big anti-war march in D.C. She hated her country so much, that she papered the kitchen with American eagles. Colonial pewter was her knick-knack choice. Old glory hung by the front door.We never missed a parade. Mom’s aunt was in the DAR. I could be in the SAR. All because some guy named John Duff, a 20 yr. old herdsman from Scotland, came to Charleston in 1778 and fought for George Washington. Me? I’m no vet. Played in a DoD band in ’98, met many fine soldiers. I also met many fine Arabs, like two librarians in the library at South Camp, or three Palestinian guides at the Gates of Hercules in Ammon, or several Jordanian shopkeepers who sold me stuff, while I remained comfortable and welcome on the backstreets of Ammon, wearing my Red Sox cap the whole time. I never got the message from those Arabs or others I met that they hate our freedoms and want to destroy our way of life. I learned that if you want a deal on a wool sweater from an Ammon shopkeeper, don’t expect him to throw himself at your feet and beg you to buy the sweater for a penny. But, if you cross the street, shake the man’s hand, and bargain in good faith, you can walk away with a wool cardigan that cost you $12 and looks band new 12 years later. The people of central Asia and the Middle East want to sell us their oil. We make the process so convoluted and full of intrigue, we must topple regimes OF OUR OWN MAKING on a regular basis, just to try to keep ourselves dependant on the substance that is decomposed life of a distant era. If we don’t use it all up at maximum speed, and save a little for the future, and instead employ huge solar and wind projects to take up the slack, would that be so bad? I guess so. Our leaders would rather kill on a massive scale, than shift gears.

  50. Gordon Duff  January 23, 2010 at 4:06 am

    Nothing we do as a people will earn us more respect in the world than for every American to discard the government conspiracy known as 9/11.


  51. Michael Marino  January 23, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Architect & Engineers For 9/11 Truth

    Dear Mr. Duff:
    Thank You for your inspiring comments on our current

    I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to the Marine’s Memorial
    Club & Hotel in San Francisco on February 19th for a special Press Conference
    that we are planning to mark the 1,000th Signer of our Petition calling for a
    new investigation into 9/11.

    Press Conference: 11:00 AM
    Lunch ……….. 12:00 noon – 3:00PM
    approx cost ….. $49.00


    Best Wishes,

    Michael Marino
    Tania Torres
    [email protected]

  52. rlshut  January 23, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Sean, point #4 you made about an initial impact on a concrete base outside the Pentagon is false. I suggest you watch ” National Security Alert” at http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com (88 min.)Also ” where is it” and “where are the passengers is irrelevant until a REAL independent investigation with supeona power is opened. No 757 commercial airliner hit the Pentagon, the above mentioned movie has evidence contradicting the south side approach into the Pentagon. How about pre-planted explosives, as witnesses that worked inside the area that was damaged alluded to.

  53. Gordon Duff  January 22, 2010 at 11:29 pm


    I have seen endless photos of air crashes. I could have filled our server. My neighbor was a crash investigator, former Naval Captain Bill Campell. I know exactly what you get hitting the ground at 500 mph.

    You don’t get what they show in Pennsylvania. Just do this, use google, metacrawler and yahoo. Pull up all the crash site photos since the DC10 went down outside Chicago in the 70s.

    We could always simply build a mockup, have our israelis make us a uav to fly at scale speed and try to duplicate the maneuvers and the crash site.

    The cost would be less than 1m. Reason not to do it? simple…engines…tail…adn 70 acres of luggage, underwear, broken cups from first class and bodies….and 2 engines 300 yards away from the nearly complete tail section.


  54. Gordon Duff  January 22, 2010 at 11:21 pm


    I included one aircraft engine photo. I collected dozens. The engine part in front of the Pentagon was identified by friends at Boeing as part of a Global Hawk.

    Hell, what do they know.


  55. Auberon Barnable  January 22, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Shea Brown your confidence in NTSB is unfounded. Read this and weep:


  56. bofors  January 22, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Over 1000 professional architects & engineers are demanding a real investigation into the “collapses” of all THREE World Trade Center (WTC) towers:


    @Shea Brown: Please explain to us how WTC 7 could fall at exactly the acceleration of gravity for the height of about 7 stories. You understand high school physics, don’t you? Note that the US government (NIST) does not dispute this fact.


  57. Shea Brown  January 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Here is the address for that picture,, I tried to send it along but, I , with my limited computer knowledge couldn’t do it!
    This does show part of the aircraft just outside the Pentagon, and has a comment by a witness there who found debris and body parts.


    The experts, who dedicate their lives to these issues tell us flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

    We debate THIS while the heroin flows quite nicely out of Afghanistan?

  58. Shea Brown  January 22, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Dear Gordon,

    After the O.J. Simpson trial Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book about the case.

    I won’t bore you with all the details,,, but he did make this one great point.

    How many times in your life have you had a very nasty cut to your finger,, and not had any idea how it happened? Put that together with the fact that this cut admittedly occurred right around the time of the murders, and there you have it. Forget the blood evidence, forget the bloody glove,, forget every other piece of evidence.

    How does this apply to American Airlines flight 77 ?

    Here is what the black box on flight 77 recorded. (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc02.pdf) Now,, admittedly, this is evidence submitted by our government,, but with the common knowledge of, and without one protest, by our brightest crash investigators.

    As of this date, there is not one NTSB investigator who has questioned any of the official NTSB report. Not one.

    They do have a radar track of where the plane went that day,, unless you want to believe that a couple hundred of our best and brightest at the NTSB all fell in line to tell a lie.

    And number two; If that flight did not hit the pentagon,, where is it, and where are all the people who were on it?

    And number three; Why is it necessary at all to believe that anything but an airplane hit the pentagon?

    Number four; There was an initial impact of that plane on the concrete base just outside the pentagon,,, the nose cone of the plane actually entered a second story window,, and there was an enormous amount of aircraft debris that entered the building,,at speeds above 500mph. The NTSB should make every bit of this physical evidence available to put this conspiracy theory of a missile hitting there to rest.

    But again,,, if flight 77 did not hit the pentagon,, then where did it go?

    While I do not claim to know with absolute certainty what exactly hit the pentagon that day,, I do have a lot of confidence in some of our country’s brightest crash investigators, and their professional opinions.

    And one more point; What type of conspiracy would need to exist for a missile to have been launched at the pentagon that day? How many more hundreds of people would this implicate?

    9-11 happened because of security incompetence,, and an incredible amount of highly sophisticated mind control on the actual hijackers. I think this is where we should be concentrating our investigative efforts,, on this coordinated control of the hijackers,, not on arguing about the incompetence or a conspiracy of highly intelligent crash investigators.

    Shoot that can of dog food into the curb at 530 mph and see if there is enough there to taste.
    And look at the pictures of the 9-11 crash site in Pennsylvania. That plane hit the ground, not concrete, and how much more of it resembled an actual aircraft? Just looks like a big hole to me.

  59. Gordon Duff  January 22, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Thank you. Excellent analysis.

  60. Bloggulator  January 22, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    The factor overlooked by both the 9/11 Commission and the corporate media was *motivation*, or “Cui Bono” (who benefits?). Police detectives from rookie to hardened professional ask themselves this question when tasked with investigating a crime.. in other words… people tend not to commit criminal acts unless they (or close associates) stand to gain.

    Who gained as a result of 9/11? There’s a long list…. and the world’s Muslim community does not appear anywhere on it.

  61. Edwin Crosby III  January 22, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Good article. NOW, it all boils down to the Gestapo Bar Association & its control of the Justice System. According to members of the Gestapo Bar Ass. if a Judge has knowledge of a CRIMINAL ACT he/she must act immediately ! Some ” judge ” must have watched, viewed, read, or heard of the ” unique circumstances ” of 9-11. I personally liked BOEINGS statement that they did NOT build the 2nd plane that struck the Twin Towers. Being a former aircraft mechanic, having attended many aircraft schools, I too, was struck by the ” tank ” under the wing of that 2nd aircraft ( up close to the fuselage ). The best explosive expert we have in this country said more than ONE explosion brought down the Federal Bldg. in Oklahoma, OK, why has not a JUDGE got involved in bringing those to justice who committed these mass killings ?? NEVER, EVER, let a secret society control your JUDICIAL SYSTEM. 3 Branches of Government, only ONE (1) can hold it together, and those words are found at the end of the ” Pledge of Allegiance “, with Liberty & Justice For All !!!!!!

  62. mrg  January 22, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Duffy i think that the bush,cheney,rumsfield criminal enterprize knew that an attack was going to happen,however i also think that the attack went wrong it happened later than planned and alot of innocent people were killed.i have a hard time thinking that they would be part of any actual killing of innocent civilians.this gave time for more people to get to the towers increasing the body count.why else did bush stay away from the white house that day? was he worried that the rogues were also going to hit the white house?

  63. Truthman  January 22, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Bravo, Duff! I’m with ya’!

  64. Jonathan  January 22, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Thank you for this article.
    I am a german student and i want to let you know that here are a lot of people who think critical about the total destruction of the two towers, the missing engines and so on.
    Even the german TV broadcasted a critical documentation on september eleventh.
    I want to encourage you and all people who are reading this to carry their knowledge to friends, family, colleagues …
    … remember the people of eastern germany, ukraine (orange revolution), iran …
    they showed us that the power comes from the people!
    And know it is the time for the american people to show their power and withstand the LIES of the government and the corrupt elite!

    America have to stop waging war and rebuild the only left industry, the military, to a green industry which will additionally help solving the problem of global warming.


  65. Rex Carlson  January 22, 2010 at 7:58 am

    There’s absolutely nothing funny about any of this but the way you write about it makes me LOL. I guess it’s because you zero in like a laser on the absolute absurdity of it all.

  66. Gordon Duff  January 22, 2010 at 7:06 am

    think: IRONY

  67. DJ  January 22, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Great article, except for a few misleading statements. Why would you have nightmares about Palestinians dancing on the USS Liberty, when anyone paying attention knows the fact that it was Israelis that attacked the ship, not Muslims? Finally, placing Osama bin Laden’s name in a statement in reference to 9/11 is like saying an airplane hit the Pentagon. If you still believe that OBL was responsible for the tragedy on 9/11, then you have not fully investigated 9/11 from an objective, logical position.

  68. Gordon Duff  January 22, 2010 at 4:40 am

    Boeing makes em out of gumdrops.

    They dissolve in your mouth.

  69. barrie w.  January 22, 2010 at 3:03 am

    didn’t see any of those on the pentagon lawn. didn’t see any landing gear. did not see any sign of a tail section. somebody out there have pics we ain’t seen? didn’t think so. seems to me the penna site suffered the same malady. known in gov’t circles as “poof”. gosh, that’s only two of the four “hijacked” airliners. i’m still confused about what “they” did with all those folks. mass murder/wmd’s happen(s).

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