GORDON DUFF: The Ground Zero Mosque Lies



By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

There never were plans for a mosque at “ground zero.”  The entire story is made up by a public relations agency working with the Israeli government and the GOP.  There are plans for an Islamic center in an old Burlington Coat Factory store blocks away.  That far down the island of Manhattan, a couple blocks away is “across town.”  The idea that Israel is financing the “Ground Zero Mosque” controversy when Mossad agents were arrested, dancing in the streets on 9/11, is an obscenity.

Let’s get some facts straight.  Since 2001 alot has happened, none of it reported widely in the press.  It has been categorically proven that the supposed hijackers could never have flown any of the planes on 9/11.  Start with a reality check.  This is why “9/11” as people are still being misinformed simply never happened:

Nila Sagadevan is an aeronautical engineer and a pilot.  There are some who maintain that the mythical 9/11 hijackers, although proven to be too incompetent to fly a little Cessna 172, had acquired the impressive skills that enabled them to fly airliners by training in flight simulators.   What follows is an attempt to bury this myth once and for all, because I’ve heard this ludicrous explanation bandied about, ad nauseam, on the Internet and the TV networks—invariably by people who know nothing substantive about flight simulators, flying, or even airplanes.

 A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how “easy” it is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the “open sky”. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting. And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot.

And this, precisely, is what the four hijacker pilots who could not fly a Cessna around an airport by themselves are alleged to have accomplished in multi-ton, high-speed commercial jets on 9/11.

 For a person not conversant with the practical complexities of pilotage, a modern flight simulator could present a terribly confusing and disorienting experience. These complex training devices are not even remotely similar to the video games one sees in amusement arcades, or even the software versions available for home computers.

 In order to operate a modern flight simulator with any level of skill, one has to not only be a decent pilot to begin with, but also a skilled instrument-rated one to boot — and be thoroughly familiar with the actual aircraft type the simulator represents, since the cockpit layouts vary between aircraft.

The only flight domains where an arcade/PC-type game would even begin to approach the degree of visual realism of a modern professional flight simulator would be during the take-off and landing phases. During these phases, of course, one clearly sees the bright runway lights stretched out ahead, and even peripherally sees images of buildings, etc. moving past. Take-offs—even landings, to a certain degree—are relatively “easy”, because the pilot has visual reference cues that exist “outside” the cockpit.

 But once you’ve rotated, climbed out, and reached cruising altitude in a simulator (or real airplane), and find yourself en route to some distant destination (using sophisticated electronic navigation techniques), the situation changes drastically: the pilot loses virtually all external visual reference cues, and is left entirely at the mercy of an array of complex flight and navigation instruments to provide situational cues (altitude, heading, speed, attitude, etc.)

 In the case of a Boeing 757 or 767, the pilot would be faced with an EFIS (Electronic Flight Instrumentation System) panel comprised of six large multi-mode LCDs interspersed with clusters of assorted “hard” instruments. These displays process the raw aircraft system and flight data into an integrated picture of the aircraft situation, position and progress, not only in horizontal and vertical dimensions, but also with regard to time and speed as well. When flying “blind”, I.e., with no ground reference cues, it takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret, and then apply, this data intelligently. If one cannot translate this information quickly, precisely and accurately (and it takes an instrument-rated pilot to do so), one would have ZERO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. I.e., the pilot wouldn’t have a clue where s/he was in relation to the earth. Flight under such conditions is referred to as “IFR”, or Instrument Flight Rules.

 And IFR Rule #1: Never take your eyes off your instruments, because that’s all you have!

The corollary to Rule #1: If you can’t read the instruments in a quick, smooth, disciplined, scan, you’re as good as dead. Accident records from around the world are replete with reports of any number of good pilots — I.e., professional instrument-rated pilots — who ‘bought the farm’ because they ‘lost it’ while flying in IFR conditions.

 Let me place this in the context of the 9/11 hijacker-pilots. These men were repeatedly deemed incompetent to solo a simple Cessna-172 — an elementary exercise that involves flying this little trainer once around the patch on a sunny day. A student’s first solo flight involves a simple circuit: take-off, followed by four gentle left turns ending with a landing back on the runway. This is as basic as flying can possibly get.

Not one of the hijackers was deemed fit to perform this most elementary exercise by himself.

When professional airline pilots, the majority trained by the United States Air Force, were asked to recreate the New York 9/11 attack in a flight simulator, two thirds failed entirely.  None could duplicate the Pentagon attack at all.  This is what the pilots had to say:

“Regarding your comments on flight simulators, several of my colleagues and I have tried to simulate the ‘hijacker’s’ final approach maneuvers into the towers on our company 767 simulator. We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building. More than two-thirds of those who attempted the maneuver failed to make a ‘hit’. How these rookies who couldn’t fly a trainer pulled this off is beyond comprehension.”

Then again, we might as well deal with the silliness of the Pentagon crash as well.  Instead of dealing with conspiracy theory, lets try some aeronautical engineering instead.  If you wonder why the internet conspiracy sites have talked about military planes crashing into the Pentagon, it is because they read the engineering reports, the ones the 9/11 Commission was not allowed to examine.  You, however, are lucky.  You can read the facts and make up your own mind:

Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.

The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.

Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon’s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be about fifteen feet above the ground. Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried in the Pentagon lawn.   (Editor’s note:  Grass on the lawn of the Pentagon was intact.)

At any rate, why is such ultra-low-level flight aerodynamically impossible? Because the reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half the distance of its wingspan—until speed is drastically reduced, which, of course, is what happens during normal landings.

In other words, if this were a Boeing 757 as reported, the plane could not have been flown below about 60 feet above ground at 400 MPH. (Such a maneuver is entirely within the performance envelope of aircraft with high wing-loadings, such as ground-attack fighters, the B1-B bomber, and Cruise missiles—and the Global Hawk.)

Forgetting all the conspiracy theories, we can stick to the facts.  The Pentagon is 77 feet 3.5 inches high.  The lowest possible altitude a Boeing 757 aircraft can fly at, 400 mph, is 62 feet 5 inches, and that is with a top Air Force fighter jock at the controls.  Had their been real simulations it is likely we would have been subjected to two possible scenarios:

  1. The Boeing 757 would have struck the top half of the upper floor of the Pentagon and tumbled over the building while disintegrating.  At 400 mph, some sections of fuselage would have landed as far as a half mile away.
  2. The aircraft would have skipped across the top of the Pentagon like a stone on a pond, shedding its engines and would have left a debris field extending as much as a mile from the initial impact.

Simply put, Captain Charles Burlingame, Vietnam vet and fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions, a man who was known to be, not only fearless but tough as nails, would never have allowed a couple of idiots with box cutters to take over his cockpit, especially with First Officer David Charlebois to back him up. 

The imaginary hijackers certainly didn’t fly these planes anywhere, it was technically impossible.  Something else happened, we all saw it.  If we can prove, and we have, that the “9/11 hijackers” were not flying the planes then who was? 

With the anniversary of 9/11, 9 years of lies, coming up, the continual attempts to stop investigations called for by pilots, engineers, military and intelligence officers has been resisted. 

Nobody has to prove how 9/11 was accomplished.  We can only prove that it wasn’t done by Arab hijackers. 

911-we-the-peopleWHO IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11?

With 9 years of history behind us, there are so many more possibilities.  9/11 made alot of things possible, looting the American economy, two wars, building a narcotics empire in South Asia and over 2 trillion dollars in missing Pentagon funds over 9 years.  More money has been stolen because of 9/11 than from all the wars in history combined.  Does this tell us who did it? 


If Wikileaks has proven one thing, it has shown that the internet has made it impossible to control information.  What had been, at one time, a choice of “conspiracy” sites or “legitimate news sources” has now become less clear.  Top journalists are now joining websites that aren’t afraid to ask hard questions and that don’t answer to corporate ownership and many of these sites have readership comparable to major news bureaus.  Some have more influence and others have caused so much stir that the US government has sought power to shut down the internet at will.

9/11 is a story the government can’t kill.

Thus, the only protection from speculation about who is really responsible for 9/11, speculation that invariably leads to Israel and the Mossad, is a renewal of fear-mongering, racism and Islamophobia.  Supporting these efforts is the Republican Party, slaughtered during the last election, now hoping to drum up a frenzy of fear and hate while soaking in hundreds of millions in contributions from Israel, the Wall Street “banksters” and “big Pharma.”


Two phony stories are now competing for the ignorance and fear of Americans.  The democrats are claiming that the GOP will bankrupt social security with their privatization schemes.  Story after story fills the news.  Senior citizens are voters and starvation is a good motivation for bringing people to the polls.

Republicans are still stuck with the Bush era “war on terror.”  Their hopes are that millions of Americans will hide under their beds, frightened of suicide bombers and cartoon terrorists.  Expect to see Islamophobia on nearly every TV series this fall.  Also, expect, not only terror scares but maybe a very suspicious terror attack not long before the election.  Would the GOP actually do that?  Think about it.  Remember Iraq?  WMD’s?  What do you think, especially with Israel behind them?


If you want to make a list of Americans who should be put in quarantine, kept away from decent people, the Ground Zero Mosque ploy will be a great help.  Start making a list.  See what kind of manipulation you hear, see and read.  See who is making all the noise.  If you want to know how to tell who Americas biggest enemies are, they will all come out now, all will be screaming bloody murder over the “desecration of Ground Zero” by those evil Muslims.

While they are doing that, many more of us will be wondering what really happened on 9/11 now that we know for sure that what we were told was all a lie.

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157 Responses to "GORDON DUFF: The Ground Zero Mosque Lies"

  1. pj  October 3, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Tremendous article. America is at war with other countries, but also with itself, and has been for a long time. It is clear that the 911 myth does not rest on solid foundations, and that people are becoming aware of this. The UN might step in and provide an independent commission and Nuremberg style trials for the perps, but might not surrendering sovereignity to the UN be what these creeps were always after?

  2. Gordon Duff  September 15, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Israelis aren’t green. They did it. Millions of us saw it. Did you see an Arab with a box cutter somewhere or planes and missiles like the rest of us?
    The only guys we caught were Mossad agents guiding the planes.
    We let them go.
    Guess why.

  3. Dan  September 15, 2010 at 12:12 am


    Do people really buy this? At least there is no lack of creativity among the human race. Ignore the facts and make up your own fantasy scenarios. Several independent eye witnesses and wreckage from an airplane (Flight 77) recovered from the scene. Come on people! Whats next? Little green alien space monkeys popped out of the hijackers butt holes and flew the planes by mental telepathy?

    Oh wait!! That so makes complete sense!!! LOL NOT!!

    Would anyone find it calming if I gave you a copy of “The Catcher In The Rye?” Or would you freak out thinking the CIA is right outside your front door? Smoke another bowl . . or take your meds!!!

  4. bob h.  September 7, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    So wait, Saudi Arabia is building a really big clock, which is like the Mosque downtown, which means that Obama is something or other or not. Got it.

  5. mikeck  September 2, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Yeah Steve,

    and the next puppet will also do exactly what they are commanded to do by the string pullers. Folks, this ain’t hard…the same master controls both the left and the right puppet…one with the left hand and the other with the right hand. THEY DO NOT CARE WHO IS AT THE THE END OF THEIR STRING OR WHICH HAND IS MOVING!!!


  6. Un-Sheepled  September 2, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    I feel sorry for you.. You should look up what Smedley Butler( you SHOULD know him) said about wars, IN DETAIL…then you might realize you have been conditioned into cognitive dissonance.
    Then follow it up with what Kissinger said about the military …

    But I know your kind wont do that , because you cannot handle the truth nor reality.

  7. Un-Sheepled  September 2, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    That would take an ability to think for one self.Something that is lost on most Americans, since they ingest far worse than Kool-aid…they guzzle a mind numbing substance called fluoride( prove me wrong?)
    AND they watch TV the real Weapon of Mass Deception ( any channel)
    Between those two the majority can only parrot the verbal vomit spewed upon them by a system that controls and pays the media the same way it controls the sock puppet politicians.
    This is not a ten year plan, this started LONG LONG time ago
    “The deliberate dumbing down of America” is a good starting point for those who can still read above third grade level.
    I have given up on the sheep , they love their Judas Goats.

  8. Steve  September 2, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    *SQUAWK* Slick Willie was shafted…*SQWAWK* He’s the best president there’s ever been!! *SQWAWWWWK!* Slick Willie took HW’s handoff and signed us into NAFTA and CAFTA to send all of our jobs overseas and to further the Club of Rome’sZero Growth Initiative! Then Him and HW skipped off hand-in-hand into the sunset to imbezzle and “launder” funds for donors ala Katrina, etc.!! So whether their was a budget surplus (or he was the master of manipulating the books) is totally irrelevant; he and everyone since him has sold us into the NWO scheme of destroying the middle class …including Barry Soetoro (inspite of campaigning to do otherwise…SURPRISE!) by not repealing these “treatys”!

  9. Matt  September 1, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Actually there is only one eyewitness and he has since recanted his testimony. it is the cab driver who says his cab was hit by one of those light poles.

  10. Enrico Napolitano  August 30, 2010 at 3:55 am

    On 9/11 The World Trade Center was a INSIDE JOB Organised Orchestrated and Executed by george bush regime officials,
    Video Of Controlled Demolition Explosives into the WTC

  11. lynn  August 30, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Why doesn’t someone try to prove Dan wrong instead of insulting him because you are still drinking the Kool Aid, don’t have the intelligence to put up a better argument, and can’t handle the truth? Non of you have rebutted a single word he has said. Your bait and switch anger tactics only work on the sheep. Everyone is laughing at us dumb Americans. The world knows the truth but we are so brain dead.

  12. MAGHI85  August 21, 2010 at 5:32 am

    may be there were no Arab men. and this was all just a trick to make people hate Muslims so that Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine can by justified by the dehumanizing of the Muslim race in the eyes of Americans…???

  13. M L. Johnson  August 19, 2010 at 10:17 am

    I so much believe you are the coward Mr. Michael. How could a B757 shatter on impact… no engines (Pratt & Whitney or Rolls Royce)… no wings, nothing to show for an aircraft.

  14. fixthefuture911  August 19, 2010 at 6:10 am

    Dan Cedusky says ,

  15. Walter Burien  August 18, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Cool Hand Luke:

    I never forgot the lesson taught by a social experiment run by Princeton College back in the 60’s using rats.

    They built a 1200 square ft maze and put 50 rats in it with all the food they could eat and water they needed.

    Well, rats are very social creatures having the same social traits of humans. The rats built up a social network where some brought the food to the others and some would collect the garbage to stash away in a designated location. Each rat had their own function and job roll and secured as home it’s own place within the maze. A happy little community was in place.

    Then, being that rats breed very fast within no time the population went from 50, to 300, to 800.. What happened then was in the over crowding the rats lost their job rolls, where fighting over food even though they had all they could eat. Sex rolls became confused with many male rats acting as female and females acting as males. All lost their little spaces picked out as home and started fighting for whatever space they could get as the trash piled up everywhere. Both male and female rats would eat many of the newborn.

    Now here is the important outcome of this experiment: The next generation that “exclusively” learned this way of life, the “entire” population stopped breeding and died off even though they had all the food and water they needed and no sickness to cause death. In plain language they all learned and were conditioned to: What’s the point where anything matters anymore. Confusion, stress, and madness by exposure took its toll.

    I keep asking myself: What point are we at along that same time-line, and are we intelligent and wise enough to change the end result?

    Cool Hand, sorry to hear that it looks like you are further down that path as the last generations of those rats were.

  16. Kenneth T. Tellis  August 18, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    After the Korean Airles jet was fitted with cameras and other devices it was deliberately flown over the Sakalinsk islands of the U.S.S.R. the poor pilot could not control the plane as it was on a special auto-comtrol, so that when the Soviet fighyer pilot to;d him to land unable to do so. The Soviet pilot then fired two mossiles and brought down the Korean Airlines plance.

    All four airliners in the 9/11 attack has auto-controls fitted and were guided on to their targets, the pilots were therefore helpless and could not control their planes. From that point it was a CIA /Mossad job from start to finish. Those Arab men who took a flight into death never had a clue about what was really happening to the planes.

  17. Gordon Duff  August 18, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Perhaps you are writing us from the grave now. I have read more intelligent discourse from plantlife.
    You are simply a bad mannered internet troll and coward. Of course, what do we expect from someone who works in Kennebunkport.

  18. Cool Hand Luke  August 18, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    It’s exactly this kind of absolute drivel that convinces me the world will soon come to an end. There just aren’t enough intelligent, well meaning people in it to make the thing work. It’s hopeless. Frankly, I’m glad. I’m so sick of sharing the planet with brainless tools I see the coming apocalypse as a breath of fresh air. The Muslim martyrs can pump their 70 virgins day in and day out; the Jews and Christians can live in the afterlife with Jesus and God and all their long-lost loved ones. Me, I will be satisfied with a quiet dirt nap as long as I don’t have to suffer the protestations of Arab-sympathizing moronic assholes like Gordon Duff.

  19. Peace and love  August 17, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    You are wrong or you are paid! lol
    Islam is peace and love!

  20. C  August 17, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    You watch waaaaaay too much tv gullible old man. Your fear is misplaced and irrational. It is based on propaganda and outright lies in many cases. Click my links below.

  21. C  August 17, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Doens’t is suck Ari, that your lazy,tired, cliche and dishonest charges of “anti-semite!!!!!”, meant to shut down debate and criticism of Israel/zionist crimes is having less and less of an effect seemingly every day? jewsagainstzionism.org and .com Google-Bollyn 911 book. Nice try hasbara.

  22. justanotherbod  August 17, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Ari – that schtick just doesn’t fly any more – try another; maybe like loving your neighbour instead of uprooting his entire life, imprisoning his kids and dumping napalm on his wife. And you STILL wonder why the world hates Zionism? Oy vey!

    You see, so many people now realise that the majority of Palestinians are themselves Semites. Where does that leave the Knesset and your psychotic IDF?

  23. justanotherbod  August 17, 2010 at 11:02 am

    “The flights appear to have been found.”

    Check the original, official documentation, rather than the subsequent fixes; as for the blogger comments, like all comments everywhere on the net (including right here), no-one can say for sure how many pass through langley, herzliya or thames house… 😉

  24. Oldleatherneck  August 17, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Make fun, snicker at us poor dumbmasses. Sure Isreal my be involved, but your poor little put upon usefull idiot Islamists are not the innocent pure white as the driven snow peacefull saints that you try to make them out to be. You are all as blinded as you accuse everyone else of being. Islam is not just a religion it is a political force to be recconed with, dismiss it at your own perril.

  25. Goldberg  August 17, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Conspiracy lunatics Ari? Is that so. I’ll believe your 9/11 fairy tale. All you have to do Ari is SHOW ME THE VIDEOS. Show me the videos of the hi-jackers at the airport check-in counter, at the security gate and boarding area. There are cameras all over EVERY airport. Are you telling me ARI that some kid steals a candy bar at a 7/11 and there are 5 videos of the incident, but on 9/11, somehow there are none?
    There are videos all right, but they are NOT arabs, they are ISRAELIS. That’s why we can’t see them.

    The TRUTH is 9/11 was a VERY SLOPPY MOSSAD operation that was done to get America to fight Israeli’s enemies in the middle-east. Also to stuff the pockets of the criminal arms dealers.

    For another example of their sloppy handiwork, checkout their Dubai hit where it took 15 of the little bubbalas to get one arab.


  26. Zee  August 17, 2010 at 7:55 am

    And you Ari Goldstein and your sadistic bretheren are a bunch of child killing, organ stealing land grabbing, Palestinian murdering, U.S. welfare receiving, warmongering, 911 doing sociopaths. Your country is suffering from some type of collective psychosis brought on by generations of inbreeding and cult-like brainwashing. A victim complex is beaten into you from birth and that’s why you see enemies everywhere that you must either control, dominate or destroy.

  27. C  August 17, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Paco, I find it amusing that you would state that the evidence implicating “al qaeda” is as good as or believable as the evidence implicating Israelis and Americans. It is clearly not even close. Click the “It wasn’t muslims” link for starters. That statement of yours is laughable, sorry.

  28. Ari  August 17, 2010 at 4:23 am

    I wish “the Zionists” were as successful as everyone thinks on this site. We would have a lot less problems in Israel. You guys are a bunch of Anit-Semetic conspiracy lunatics.

  29. Richard  August 17, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Geez…just google it and you’ll find many eyewitness accounts of folks seeing an airliner hitting the Pentagon.

  30. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 9:08 pm


    Need “evidence”??????

    read bollyn.com and realjewnews.com

    How about: ae911truth.org The list goes on and on and on and on—–grow up!

    I think you know about these site but don’t want to talk about them

    too many jewish fingerprints. Get Real!

  31. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    That’s so funny but it fits as Henry Ford used to say. It must not be far removed from talking to yourself. They are always saying antisemitism is a mental illness but I wonder who the real crazies are.


  32. Paco  August 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Michael J Volz,

    Grow up. We’re not still in grade school.

  33. Paco  August 16, 2010 at 7:52 pm


    I’m not sure what you find amusing in this, but I do agree that there is some good reason to think that either the U.S. government or possibly the Israeli government was behind 9/11. The presence of nano-thermite in the dust around the site suggests that a high-technology government was involved, or possibly some highly placed individuals in such a government. The most likely candidates are the U.S. and Israel.

  34. GustheGreek  August 16, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    My opinion is that this whole thing goes very deep.
    My theory is that Obama was put into office by unseen hands, think about it what is the one racial group that the charge of anti-semitism is almost impossible to stick to?
    Black people.
    Therefore we have a half-white half-black president that as we have seen noone has labeled an antisemite while any other president would not have dared go down the road he has.
    Now lets look at 9/11, why did Bush not hold trials and convict the conspirators even though he had many years to do so?
    Zionists when talking amongst themselves believe the reason Obama wants to hold the terror trials in NYC is “to give a platform to the conspirators so they can publicly implicate Israel in 9/11” and then they add “even though Israel was not involved”.
    How are they so sure that the conspirators if tried will implicate Israel? do they know something we dont?
    It seems to me that Obama was put into office for a reason and his dangling of the 9/11 trials in front some people seems to be the key to this.
    I hope for their sake that they did not have anything to do with 9/11 because if the did they better pack their bags and get ready for another exodus.

  35. C  August 16, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    I should have said “better than or equal to evidence of Israeli/American guilt”. The notion is laughable Paco and if you don’t know it and aren’t just being dishonest you are deeply naive.

  36. Martin  August 16, 2010 at 11:03 am

    You guys should really look into “Sayanim” and “Kol Nidre”.

    Read “The Nameless War” by Captain Archibald Ramsey

    If Israel got wiped off the map tomorrow, your country would still be going down the drain. Time to go full circle.

  37. dagny  August 16, 2010 at 10:59 am

    If you read all the comments to the blog you listed you will see that is not the case. The flights appear to have been found.

    not trying to be a party pooper, just wanted to point that out. 🙂

  38. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 10:42 am

    So you are working as a Marine now? Not a veteran Marine? Did “come across the site” or did your boss tell you to take a look at it? As long as you are an active duty Marine , you will not be allowed to entertain political views or information not consistent with current USA government policies whether it is true or not.

    Did you know current orders possibly originate from a foreign government known as “COUNTRY A” in the Middle East?


  39. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 10:17 am

    First you have to get over the fear of being called an antisemite. That will put “jew” back on the multiple choice list of possible perpetrators; Then it will begin to make total sense!


  40. Legendary Bill  August 16, 2010 at 10:16 am

    You’re right. No wreckage of a 767 at the Pentagon..And don’t forget: The 2nd plane hit the S. Tower at 9:03..at 9:04 WTC6 blew sky-high, obviously it was rigged to go..( and this was reported that morning in the NY media, along with “secondary explosions” in the towers and ” excplosions in the sub-basements “..This was ALL reported that day in the NY local media..Thus today, with all of this and more being washed out of their minds, most people know LESS about 9-11 than they knew on 9-11.

  41. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 9:42 am

    those damned muslims control everything but only jewish fingerprints show up at the crime scene!

  42. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 9:37 am

    paco, are you a JewYork lawyer? thin evidence?

  43. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 9:32 am

    From what i’ve seen i wouldn’t doubt israhell stole the airliners and they are part of the elal fleet right now.


  44. Paco  August 16, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Biographies of Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein that are readily available on-line make no mention of either being Israeli citizens, though they are identified as being Jewish.

    Being Jewish is not the same thing as being an Israeli citizen. Even if it were, actions of a few citizens is not evidence of culpability by their state. Individual citizens of the U.S. often take positions and even actions that do not represent the U.S. government – the example of Cindy Sheehan comes to mind. The same is true of Israeli citizens.

  45. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 9:21 am

    hilarious! these “thoughtful” moderate thinkers don’t realize how ridiculous their positions are, hiding in the safety of the crowd with everyone else who seems to agree with them—–cowards—-afraid to say what they are really thinking!

  46. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 9:04 am

    visions of sugar plums dancing in my head!




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  48. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:47 am



  49. Gordon Duff  August 16, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Manhattan is 500 meters wide down there. If it weren’t for dumping garbage off the Bowery, it would be smaller. I can do historical walking tours of New York. (or London, Rome, Paris, Vienna, Prague etc.) Go there. You will see what I mean.
    There is another issue of course. Nobody is demanding that we remove every synagogue and church from the area yet we arrested Mossad agents and nobody on earth (intelligent life and brighter house pets) buys in on NORAD taking the day off.

  50. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:44 am



  51. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:41 am



  52. Rich  August 16, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Gordon you are guilty of being misleading. The mosque, community center, etc. is about a block and a half from ground zero. Some of the wreckage from the World Trade Towers fell on the buildings on this site.

    That said, while I feel that the builders of the mosque are displaying extreme insensitivity and inviting not only controversy and possible violence, they have every right to build their facility where and as they wish, so long as they do not violate existing building codes.

  53. Gordon Duff  August 16, 2010 at 8:33 am

    We have posters here to actually get into discussions with themselves…they are that phony. At times I will take all their alternate personalities and scourge them.

  54. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:31 am

    It was reported within a few days of 911 that something like 90% of the evil Muslims thought 911 was mossad. We use their number system so they might be evil (and don’t want their women dancing in jewish strip joints)but they are are not dumb!


  55. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Clinton(s) were a zionist invention, as were/are Bush (shrub), and my cousin Obummer!

    Obummer is CIA but mossad is now CIA’s parent company.

    Clinton help to accelerate the destruction of America with NAFTA amongst other follies!



  56. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Some of the worst extremists I have heard of are:

    1) Dishonest Abe Foxman of the DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
    2) bibi NuttyYuHu


    You are always the pot calling the kettle black. You are the EPITOME OF DUPLICITY! DO YOU FOLKS EVER TELL THE TRUTH?




  57. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Dear Mike,

    I honor your military service and know you are a true American Patriot and Veteran!

    It’s great seeing you participate on Veterans Today!

    Gordon Duff does not erase legitimate comments even if he does not like them! (like 99% of the websites out there today).

    Your friend and FELLOW AMERICAN ,


  58. justanotherbod  August 16, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Chris – as a marine, you don’t get to see any reality outside of what the Pentagon decides is reality. Many of us remember it was a top level Pentagon operative who so arrogantly stated that ‘we create our own reality now’

    eg: http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2008/US-Empire-Reality1jan08.htm

    Perhaps you should concentrate on your Oath to the Constitution and leave the decidedly fascist approach of ‘concentrate on the mission’ behind?

    Good luck on your road back to humanity.

  59. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Mike ,

    Believe it or not the zionists who try to infiltrate this cite, PRETENDING to be human beings (which the are not) actually have to create new monikers and fake identities.

    They actually leave the cite immediately when they are thoroughly shot up. It keeps the cite free of garbage!


  60. justanotherbod  August 16, 2010 at 7:44 am

    No, not really. Did they succeed in forewarning America about OKC, the ’93 WTC ‘bombing’ (where it was eventually discovered that the ‘FIB’ was complicit?) or 9/11?

    Check out articles with the keywords “Problem Solution Reaction” in them to get to the real answers.

    Oh, and if you’re serious, don’t use go00ogle – maybe try https://startpage.com/ instead?

  61. Michael J Volz  August 16, 2010 at 7:43 am


  62. justanotherbod  August 16, 2010 at 7:39 am

    See also Fritz Springmeier “13 Bloodlines” and “Monarch” at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm

  63. justanotherbod  August 16, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Gordon, I apologise sincerely for not being clearer in my statement. I was uncertain about the extent you have been damaged and am extremely glad to hear of your true state, despite the ibuprophen! 😉

    Have you tried the non-BigPharma alternative, Petasites (Butterburr) though I doubt it’s even available in the States any more except from local growers still fighting back against the madness encapsulated in the latest Senate bill on outlawing home grown food!

    Anyway, thanks for the great, carefully considered articles. I am not sure whether I have posted this here before, but this might help further understanding:-

    An excellent, if rather chaotic, ’safe haven’ resource of fundamental truths resides at:-


    Wherein I would most strongly recommend a deep study of the following three obscure authors:-

    W.G.Carr “Pawns in the Game”
    Eustace Mullins “Secrets of the Federal Reserve”
    Fritz Springmeier “13 Bloodlines” and “Monarch”

    If you can disregard their politics and their agendas and, in one case at least, ‘alleged’ felonies, armed with this combined knowledge mankind can heal itself and get back onto the spiritual path.

    This will be of the greatest relief to terrified children everywhere…

    The truth is winning, as it always does given enough time and enough ‘ears to hear’.

  64. Nicole  August 16, 2010 at 4:56 am

    Absolutely true. If you read this propaganda article, lies are so evident that you ask yourself how they can be stupid enough to think someone else than zionists will trust it :


  65. Zionism is Rot  August 16, 2010 at 2:42 am

    You Zionists are not nearly as clever as you think. Nor are the Goyim as stupid as your Talmud teaches you. The lies are slowly coming unraveled again.

  66. Doug  August 16, 2010 at 1:34 am

    I knew it was BULLSHIT the first moment I heard it. They do anything to take your eyes off the Judaiztion of America and the world. They just don’t know that we know it…yet.

  67. Gordon Duff  August 15, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    All are Israeli citizens.

  68. Legendary Bill  August 15, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    SEMPER FI…I was USMC back in the 80’s…God bless you Duff!

  69. Shallel  August 15, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    “We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building.”

    You’d better check your fight simulator, a 767 is completely incapable of these maneuvers at that altitude.

    How does the Pentagon loose trillions more than it’s budget?

    Blessings Gordon, you are so appreciated! Have you seen this report?

    Flap in Jerusalem over Aug. 21 activation of Iran’s first reactor
    DEBKAfile Special Report August 14, 2010, 11:40 PM (GMT+02:00)
    The sudden announcement in Moscow and Tehran on Aug. 11 that Russia is set to activate Iran’s first nuclear power reactor by loading the fuel on Aug. 21 has caused a major flap in Israel in view of the military aspects of the plant…John Bolton, former US ambassador to the United Nations and adviser to the Bush administration, defined Moscow’s date for loading nuclear fuel rods into the Iranian reactor as touching off a point of no return. Talking to Fox News Friday, Aug. 11, he said Aug. 21 is a deadline “by which Israel would have to launch an attack on Iran’s Bushehr reactor before it becomes effectively ‘immune’ to assault.” Once they are loaded, he warned, “an attack risks spreading radiation in the air and perhaps in the water of the Persian Gulf.”

  70. Legendary Bill  August 15, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Great article..They’ll stop at nothing to keep a lid on this bc if the American people ever find out what exactly happened on 9-11 Israel is finished…Other sites are covering this issue very well and we’re all coming to this inevitable conclusion bc of the facts and not anti-“semitism”..9-11 was a Mossad/Mossad asset/rogue CIA false-flag terror op.

  71. Paco  August 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    This list is pretty thin as evidence of anything other than an active imagination. Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein are natural born U.S. Citizens and Dov Zakheim was an official in the Reagan administration. What anything about these two men proves about a connection to Israel is more than questionable.

    I am not saying that Israel was not involved, only that the evidence is at best circumstantial and probably would stand up in court about as well as the Bush administration’s evidence for Osama bin Laden’s involvement in 9/11.

  72. Nomi  August 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Excellent article, keep up the good work! Request that all consenting veterans and pilots visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ — Rob Balsamo has does some excellent work analyzing the aviation improbabilities and impossibilities of the attacks on 9/11.

  73. Michael j Niehaus  August 15, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Mike, why do you even give this Zionist Disinformationist the satisfaction of even a reply.They are so obvious and down right stupid it makes me sick to my stomach.

  74. john smith  August 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    actually the pilots were hassidic jews

  75. justanotherbod  August 15, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Yes I agree with your nym but I disagree very much with your generalisation about Jews, the majority of whom have less of a clue than most about what their supposed ‘leaders’ are up to.

    This is not about Jews; it never was; it’s about a very small coterie known as the 13 Families, whose bloodlines have ruled this world with an iron grip since before Sumerian times.

    Please be careful to distinguish the players from the crowd. Many Jews fully realise they have been taken for a ride and are about to get destroyed again, even if they don’t understand why. This awful stigma can turn the strongest into psychotics and the 13 Families know how to control the chaos – up to a point.

    After that, every one gets hurt.

    So, knowledge first, hmm – then action based on that knowledge. Perhaps start by looking for the works of ex-elite Fritz Springmeier to find out who the true enemies of mankind are.

  76. Penumbra  August 15, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Actually Chris, you obviously see it every morning in the bathroom mirror.

  77. C  August 15, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Dov Zakheim,Larry Silverstein, the 5 dancing mossad agents,Urban Moving systems, Dominic Suter, Philip Zack and the anthrax, Israels influence over the US media and politics in general, PNAC(zionist infested),AIPAC, Frank Lowy, Zim shipping, Israeli security at the airports etc. etc. etc.. Thats just off the top of my head but I think the evidence strongly indicates 9/11 was an Israeli first operation, with involvement of some American traitors. Google all of those things I listed for a starter course.

  78. justanotherbod  August 15, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    The truth? Wherever you find it if it sits fairly in your heart and it ‘feels’ right? However much it batters your preconceptions and what you have been fed by ‘education’ and an utterly corrupt mainstream media?

    Find the facts that cannot be whitewashed or perverted by the guilty, (who BTW are exceedingly clever yet have not demonstrated even one iota of intelligence – rather like the way parasites act).


    For instance, did you know there were NO flights AA11 & 77 on 9/11? See here for documented proof:-

    Just one among many established facts which are now being reviewed by members of the International Criminal Court.

  79. C  August 15, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    You are that 25% who believes everything mommy media and daddy government says. They say-“be afraid of arabs” and you most certainly are. The real threat is not “the jews” but Israel and its partisans. Many jews oppose zionism. No offense Dan, but you’re a gullible moron.

  80. Gordon Duff  August 15, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    I still teach unarmed combat classes and can keep up with a rifle squad…with lots of tape and ibuprophen. Hanke can easily do the same….and Gates is insanely fit. Just make sure I have a nap every afternoon and I am good to go.

  81. justanotherbod  August 15, 2010 at 3:34 pm


    That’s just what they do. They are very organised. Check out giyus.org to see how it goes.

    Sadly they work from the premise that a big enough lie, shouted loud enough and long enough will be swallowed every time – so long as they control the media and the federal reserve…

    It’s time to put America first – this means voting out every District of Corruption incumbent who doesn’t. But that may not work either, until you fix ‘their’ voting machines.

  82. justanotherbod  August 15, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    @uranidiot who, apart from being glaringly out of touch with reality, seems to forget that 2% of the American population owns both political parties, most of the mainstream media, all the banks and most of the security systems.

    Whatever damage Gordon has suffered has been in the interest (misguided or otherwise) of defending his country, America, and judging by the depth and clarity of his articles, it is apparent that he is certainly far healthier than thou, ‘uranidiot’!

    Which country have you ever defended ‘uranidiot’? I suspect you are only interested in getting others to attack your ‘enemies’ for you. Yet your post clearly demonstrates you are way behind the curve when it comes to deceiving people – big snag there, ‘uranidiot’. You will have to be far more believable than that, if you think that conning people works forever. QED. It doesn’t.

    When it has become apparent to a majority in the US that their government no longer puts America first, you and your giyus.org fellows words, no, let’s be blunt here – lies – no longer bear any weight whatsoever.

    Now Israel has twice attacked and killed American citizens in international waters (USS Liberty, Mavi Marmara) and has been seen to publicly lie through its teeth about it (See Regev interviewed by Alan Hart for a classic example of how barefaced and totally out of touch with the real world the Israeli lies really are) it can no longer expect any sympathy. It has used it all up in totally unacceptable psychotic behaviour.

    I wonder if you will ever learn that compassion and empathy would have got you far further than the non-stop deceit and arrogant disdain you have employed since the late 1800’s. Too late now, the genie has escaped your mesmerism, your schtick.

  83. Brian  August 15, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    also this was mentioned:likely a global hawk painted with UA coloring.

    Why would they do that? Keep things simple and just use the 757 airliner. Also no witnesses described a plane that looks like a global hawk. I am not a plane expert but based on the photographs I have seen the global hawk simply doesn’t look like a 757. It has a unique appearance. Simply not a very good plan.

  84. richard braverman  August 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Six billion versus probably 0ne hundred thousand in charge, ten million hard core and another hundred million lackeys. Fortunately the lackeys would probably jump ship if the Titanic starts to sink.
    So what is the solution?
    Return fear into the equation. Randomn unnconnected humans, individually build lists of names or a deck of cards as is the current fashion, and start to take the sleaze bags out, one at a time. The higher on the pecking order the better. One at a time is crucial. It would enhance the paranoia and increase the fear.
    In this manner, those affected, no matter the size of their guilded estate, access to power or comfort zone, will be touched by the hand of justice.
    Who is first, who is next, who is last is not important. The process is important. The continuity is important. Effective action must allow seeds of discontent to be sown; allow weeds of concern to spread; and ensure the desired internecine warfare flourishes.
    Ten lone strikers would raise awareness, i.e trigger alarm bells. One thousand lone strikers would unleash a tidal wave.
    In the current equation, all elimination, punishment and pain is absorbed by one side. Their language is violence and destruction. In their world, no single cockroach is too insignificant to be overlooked. A recalibration of the equation, on our part, would lead to a more balanced and nuanced equilibrium, which would ultimately and dramatically lead to the desired end state.
    Do not be afraid brothers and sister, sacrifice is heroic. We must fight today to secure the comfort and security of our great grandchildren tomorrow.

  85. Chris B  August 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Veterans today my a…. as a marine I am I came across this website on my google search.

    I’ve never seen such stupidity in my life. People like you are the reason this country is going to ish…

  86. justanotherbod  August 15, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Perhaps you might want to check out this link for the real deal:-


    Good article Gordon – the ADL/AIPAC fear-op has blunted its weapons irrevocably now most people understand that the majority of Palestinians are themselves Semites.

  87. Brian  August 15, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    You need to read the links I posted. The eyewitness testimony is very convincing. These people are not idiots. The evidence at the scene of the crime is very convincing that it was a large plane. You really need to read the articles I posted.

    Why go to all the trouble to have scripted plants who could end up telling their friends and family members they were lying which could expose the scheme. It makes no sense. If they had a plan to do severe damage to the Pentagon by using a missile, fine but the damage wasn’t that bad; about what you would expect from 757 airliner.

    This silly notion that a missile hit the Pentagon is a distraction to take away from the obvious evidence that 911 was a Mossad operation and to put the blame on the US government.

    Why wouldn’t they just use the American Airline plane to crash into the Pentagon. Why complicate things by using a different plane or a missile and having to deal with the passengers by dumping the plane in the ocean. To me it’s just propaganda to hide the Mossad evidence and unfortunately too many people believe the silly missile story.

  88. Mihail  August 15, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    The most stupid people are in Amerikkaa,watch your jew tube and drink you bear,soon all of you wake up Rapture to Concentration camp,YOU DESERVE WHAT IS COMING TO AMERIKKAA.WELCOME TO JEW WORLD ORDER COMRADES.

    The American Hebrew September 10, 1920:
    The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”

    We have exterminated the property owners in Russia. We are going to do the same thing in Europe and America.”

    (The Jew, December 1925, Zinobit)


  89. Ronald Douglas kennedy  August 15, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Greetings Gordan: what are we missing. You write “Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase.”

    Was this a low level flying Carpet hit. Or maybe the Plane weight WAS NOT 200,000 lb at impact. metal peckers ,squirrel’s. What snapped the Light Poles?

    if these planes were flown by a Computer preprogram Flight Cards as used in ICBM’S. Can the Pentagon plane fly a lighter weight trajectory to make this hit?

    Thanks RonK

  90. imtiaz  August 15, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Mr. Benjamin Natanyahu declared in April of 2008:
    ” 9/11 has been very good for Israel”
    ” we are benefiting form attacks on Twin Towers and Pentagon.America struggling in Iraq” Israeli newspaper Haar’etz.
    He also said in 2001, in a recently revealed recording ” I deceived US” “I know America. America is a thing that can be moved easily.In any direction” Haar’etz.

  91. uranidiot  August 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    FINALLY A VOICE OF REASON AMONG THIS NONSENSE!! Kudos to you Dan! Has this entire country gone mad? I can hear the extremist laughing, “dumb American’s, we can blow up their buildings, kill their people, set up worship on their graves, and still they blame the Jews!” God help our Country…

    P.S….Mr. Duff I believe you may have brain damage.

  92. fixthefuture911  August 15, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Phil F Tourney of the U.S.S. LIBERTY ,
    threatened by ISRAELI recently
    because of the book coming out,
    The ISRAELI also made Phil F Tourney’s Wife Extremely Upset !!

    whatreallyhappened podcast august 12( Phil F Tourney on air)


    (Phil F Tourney & Mark Glen )authored What I Saw That Day

    At long last, the book “What I Saw That Day…Israel’s 1967 Holocaust of American Servicemen Aboard The USS Liberty And Its Aftermath” by USS Liberty Survivor Phil Tourney is finished and available to the public in electronic media format.

  93. Opinion  August 15, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    I heard that before, but don’t get why Schwarzenegger? He has very low ratings in CA. Please let us know why him? BTW, the chase is closing in on BHO and his fraudulant citizenship/presidency.

  94. Opinion  August 15, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Absolutely correct! Your theory is mine as well. I find it VERY difficult to believe that all Palestinians are “Hamas” like our propagandists on talk radio, tv and government want us to believe.

    I also don’t understand how American people continue to not pay close attention to the fact that we have dual-citizens of Israel (if ones mother is a Jew, the children get automatic citizenship to Israel, after applying) in positions of leadership, authority, banking, legislation and media.

    I am not a supporter of Ahmajenidad, however, he speaks up against the Israeli scam and Israel’s desire to topple sovereign countries. We are not an enemy of Iran. Israel is an enemy of Iran. Before Iran can launch 1 missle, Israel will have 30 defence missles and nuclear bombs deployed in a heartbeat.

    I also cannot believe how many Christian people use a religious “connection” to support Israel. Israel is not our friend. Israel has more spies in America than China and Russia. Out of the now 39 countries supporting our war, the IDF or military is no where to be seen. The US cannot stage troops or use Israeli airports for deployment, while Turkey does. Now the propaganda machine is stirring up the anti-Muslim sentiment against our Turkish allies because of the murder on the flotilla.

    Unfortunately, as long as the Israeli dual-citizens in media, government and banking, 3 Supreme Court Judges, and a sentimental American population towards the Jews, Americans will never get justice or closure from 9/11, wars, looting, corruption, and the annhilation of the greatest country on Earth.

  95. fixthefuture911  August 15, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Our “closest allies” 🙂 🙂 ,
    Has anybody thought about a review of who our “closest allies” are ??,
    For example , The guys From the U.S.S. Liberty have a strong opinion
    about the “closest allies” !!

  96. fixthefuture911  August 15, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    this is a distraction/an attempt at distraction,
    to get people “worked up over a Selected “Issue” to
    guide & steer election year discussion , noise,buzz,chatter ”
    🙂 🙂

  97. fixthefuture911  August 15, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Sunday, August 15, 2010
    911 Pentagon Strike – CRUISE MISSLE VIDEO
    Rumormill News
    Posted By: Sandollar
    Date: Sunday, 15-Aug-2010 05:14:41
    Well, I always felt more videos would eventually surface. Case closed – not a plane.

  98. Kim  August 15, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Lol, I hate Kool Aid, but I “drank it” a long time ago…if the earth is shaped like an egg, and there is a tip to an egg, then Mecca is that tip my friend. Check it out on Google Earth.

    Furthermore, the author was right. These professional politicians, who really don’t have a meaningful platform to run on, are simply playing to the fears of the uneducated and under-informed like yourself. In the midst of a ruined economy and two ill-conceived wars the fact that you people are so reluctant to take your elected officials to task is truly sad. Instead you’re about to lose your minds over the American Muslims, who by all accounts, constitute the most law abiding, well educated and highly educated minority group in the country. What are you doing other than offering hate speech as a means to stem the ever growing teen pregnancy, gun violence, un employment, home foreclosure….is this Nazi Germany??? Muslims didn’t create those problems my friend.

  99. ExterminateZionism  August 15, 2010 at 9:51 am

    You cannot discuss these topics w/ Jews. What needs to be done is clear, and the time is approaching…

  100. peace seeker  August 15, 2010 at 9:15 am


  101. peaceseeker  August 15, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Because it is an unlucky number.

  102. Michael J Volz  August 15, 2010 at 8:46 am

    You have no idea how ridiculous your discourse sounds. Tell your bosses they need to write a new script!


  103. Michael J Volz  August 15, 2010 at 8:42 am

    your job assigned by mossad is to get dumb America to blame A-Rabs for everything going wrong in America even though jewish fingerprints are on all of it and all the A-Rabs want is a job at a convenience store—-

    My friend, a former top gun pilot has gotten to know some A-Rabs and doesn’t believe a word you folks say anymore. Better watch out because people who fly supersonic planes are crazy—–


  104. NoorAnisa  August 15, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Antisemite is nothing BUT a shut-up word and you are lame in avoidance of discussion for calling it. silly. You think I will be silent of your sticks and stones….. ? not.

  105. Victoria  August 15, 2010 at 8:20 am

    First of all, you must understand these two things. Those who print the money make the rules. Those that count the votes decide everything.

    Here’s the plan. They are using Obama’s non us born status to ultimately clear the way for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Do you think Maria Shriver married him for his brain and brawn? No. Theirs was a prearranged marriage for a reason. If we expose this now, we might be able to prevent it from happening. We have to assume that everything coming out of the media is just a distraction. A little truth mixed with a lot of rhetoric and lies so just turn it off. Sit back and look at the signs and listen. One has to be 10 steps head, because the elitists always are. Do not let them manipulate you with the emotional buttons they keep pushing. Its all for distraction. Like static interference its just noise.

  106. Wii Willey  August 15, 2010 at 7:59 am

    THANK YOU……. That has been my point from day 1. Just like the OKC bombing. The first news reports and photos from OKC did not show the hole in front of the building. There were photos showing a track hoe digging so the utilities could be shut off. Bu then the hole became the center of the story.

  107. Sceptique  August 15, 2010 at 7:48 am

    At least, we know what an antisemite looks like !

  108. Sceptique  August 15, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Aren’t you, really?

  109. Rehmat  August 15, 2010 at 5:32 am

    I smelled a skunk the day I read that a Muslim-hating Jew like Bloomberg is supporting the Cordoba Center. Then came two other famous Islamophobes – Ben Obama and Newsweek’s editor and CNN’s “Muslim dude”, Fareed Zakaria.

    The idea behind these Muslim haters’ support is stir more hatred towards Muslims by refreshing official hasbara lies about the 9/11 trgedy. It’s to plug all the information coming on the internet about Israeli connection to the 9/11.


  110. Murphy151  August 15, 2010 at 5:09 am

    Interesting you use the phrase ‘Kool-Aid’ seeing as people like you were responsible for Jonestown!

    It is easier to defend a thousand truths simultaneously than one measly lie.

    You and your fellow criminals will have your day in court very soon.

    The game is up, your MO is blown and there is nowhere to run to.


  111. Luay  August 15, 2010 at 4:49 am

    How can we stop them from building this clock?

  112. maghi85  August 15, 2010 at 3:48 am

    why I think Israel did this,,,
    to know this you have to study the Israel-Palestinian conflict and the US-media coverage of the conflict over the past 30 years.
    the reality is that Israel is built on terror and daily commits acts of terror against a defenseless people of Palestine…
    Israel had US media in their pockets but the problem they face now is that the global media is catching up and so is Internet…
    so before the US (who basically give them billions of donations yearly) find out about the truth of their occupation they want to taint the picture of Muslims in the eyes of Americans…
    so that even if a normal American citizen does find out what horrible acts Israel is doing he would say “those dirty Muslims, who are hateful spiteful people, deserve this” and infact wouldn’t care less if all of the Muslim world would be nuked tomorrow.
    that’s my hypothesis…
    God knows best

  113. Rex Carlson  August 15, 2010 at 2:56 am


    You may want to check out: “ThePentaCon” http://www.thepentacon.com/

    …best Pentagon research site out there to-date.

    In fact, lots of people saw a low flying aircraft at the time of the (missile) impact. It came in from a slightly different direction (than the missile).

    This site includes a lot of really interesting info. including numerous eye witnesses – including 3 DC cops – giving video testimony in re: this plane .

    No solid proof but speculation is that there was a flyover.

  114. Go11bravo  August 15, 2010 at 12:37 am

    I don’t know what to believe. We all saw a plane hit the second Tower. I don’t remember ever being shown the remains of a plane at the Pentagon however. But how could anyone get away with faking 9/11? I don’t know why the towers collapsed, especially the way they did or why the third building (CIA files and all) collased. The Chicago school doctrine says you need to take advantage of shock to push through your laisser-faire capitalist agenda, which they did, and which they would do even if they had nothing to do with the attack. So you can’t link reactionary politics to the attack just because they cashed in on the terror.

    We really need an independent and public investigation.

    I also don’t understand why there have not been more terrorist attacks at soft targets in the US. Johadists with a desire to die could hit lots of targets. Maybe our police forces are just that good?

  115. Alex  August 15, 2010 at 12:03 am

    When President Clinton left. Unemployment was at 4 percent and there was a budget surplus.

  116. Michael J Volz  August 14, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    The facts from the beginning were that Lucky Larry Silverstein was just way too lucky amongst other many circumstances.

    You don’t need to be an aviation expert to CORRECTLY doubt the planes could have been flow that way even by professional pilots. Nor do you need to be an architect or engineer to CORRECTLY doubt the airplanes could have brought the twin towers down that way.


  117. Michael J Volz  August 14, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Dan, (schlomo?) we are not all that stupid.

  118. Art  August 14, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    I read that it is going to be “13” stories tall. Any reason for that.


  119. Penumbra  August 14, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    second to last paragraph should read: “…three airliner distress signals were picked up by the Coast Guard over the Atlantic…” (apologies for the mistype).

  120. Robert  August 14, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    OK, Suppose I’m a terrorist and I hate America. I intend to hi-jack planes. I plan to hi-jack at least four. What are the targets that show the world my power?

    1 Congress, 2 White House, 3 Pentagon, and 4 possibly a nuclear plant (for disruption of the power grid and radiation release) or the NYSE Building.

    WTF, why would I waste two of my ‘bullets’ on an old creaking building that holds many foreign nationals and risk the ire of other countries? The NYSE would be a much better representative of American economic domination.

    And since I control all these sleeper cells, there will be a simutaneous enormous amount of suicide bombers, tankers on the highway blowing up, and ‘lone gunmen’ shooting in public places.

    I believe that’s what a real terrorist would have planned. JMHO.
    Thank God it didn’t go down that way.

  121. Penumbra  August 14, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    And don’t forget the sacking of Kevin Ryan from UL after he made a direct challenge to the ludicrous notion of structural steel (which UL itself had tested prior to the construction of the WTC towers) so much as softening (let alone melting) from carbon-based jet fuel fires. The concerted attacks he suffered should have provided more than sufficient proof that the real perpetrators were not only entirely domestic but highly placed in our political/military/intelligence hierarchy.

  122. Michael J Volz  August 14, 2010 at 11:12 pm



  123. REY  August 14, 2010 at 10:51 pm


  124. Penumbra  August 14, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Again, friend, eye-witness accounts are, in judicial terms, the most impeachable. That the numbers only amount to a few dozen in total is indicative that they were more than likely scripted plants. The further fact that any large commercial aircraft traveling that low would have plowed into the ground well before it hit the pentagon and blown vehicles from the carriageway as it passed overhead makes such “accounts” suspect (if not patently absurd) from the get-go.

    In a particularly traumatic event witnesses are often uncertain what they saw and sight of a commercial jet in the vicinity alone (likely a lower than usual or normal descent-like pass-over by a lead plane before the actual attack vehicle -likely a global hawk painted with UA coloring – raced overhead to its target) would have muddied the traumatized recounts of a significant portion of non-planted claimants.

    Any actual UA (or UA colored) commercial aircraft likely landed at Reagan International, disappearing behind the Pentagon moments before the explosion and blended into the airport traffic. Far more plausible a scenario than a miraculous physics-defying approach and collision by a 757.

    As for where the passengers went, well what was only briefly mentioned as an aside in a 2002 USA Today piece and to my knowledge never repeated again let alone investigated is that three airliner distress signals were picked up by the Pentagon over the Atlantic during the chaso of that morning. These could very well have been the actual flights 11, 77 and 175 containing the ill-fated passengers.


    “At the Federal Aviation Administration’s command center in Herndon, Va., Delta Flight 1989 joins a growing list of suspicious jets. Some of their flight numbers will be scrawled on a white dry-erase board throughout the morning. Eventually, the list will grow to 11.

    One, a TWA flight, refuses to land in Pittsburgh and wants to fly on toward Washington. Another, a Midwest Express flight, disappears from radar over West Virginia. And three jets over the Atlantic Ocean are sending out distress signals, the Coast Guard reports.”

  125. Doug  August 14, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Like I said, the traitors and terrorists that dropped all three towers will be held accountable…..their families will be embarassed when the truth is known.
    Again, Chris Bollyn does an excellent job, trying to put this operation, planned by PNAC and their members two years in advance of sept. 11… all traitors or dual citizens…..some still working for Obama…….Thanks Gordon, Doug

  126. Penumbra  August 14, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Too true, Gordon.

    But yet, this info is not really new. As far as 2002 I had come across expert aeronautical testimony of the impossibility of a 757 Pentagon hit as claimed in the official conspiracy theory. This was well before even Loose Change had appeared on the scene to emphasize these technical points.

    What’s more, in response to a comment in you made on the article regarding your lack of belief in remote control as “science fiction” I would draw your attention to the FACT that NASA had already successfully tested remote controlled drone capabilities in a Boeing 720 (commercial airliner) between 1981 and 1984.


  127. Penumbra  August 14, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Well Chuck, anyone who bought into any part of the official cover-story bought into a “conspiracy theory” as absurd as lizard people or alien abductions.

    But then with Western media trumpeting the same bogus mantra day in and day out, it’s understandable how the cognitively dissonant and non-investigatory public would so readily buy into it and ignorantly mock those – possessing the critical rationale and intellectual honesty to investigate matters for themselves – who made innumerable attempts to wake up the public.

  128. Gordon Duff  August 14, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    isn’t that church where the Freemasons hid the National Treasure close by? Last time I checked, Alexander Hamilton, the famed Illuminati spy was buried there. I think we are going to have to move ground zero, perhaps out to Staten Island.

  129. Anon.  August 14, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Not meant for OP, this was directed at Dan Cedusky.

  130. fixthefuture911  August 14, 2010 at 8:28 pm


  131. Brian  August 14, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Yes it’s important to find out who benefited from the crime. I have posted this before at VT but for those who didn’t see it’s worth reading:

    The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

    “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”


  132. Cold Wind  August 14, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    In general, the American people do not believe anything unless it has the imprimature of a government sanctioned body. It doesn’t matter that the offical narrative regarding what happened on 911 is a total and provable fraud- which it is. This is why we need a new investigation, which we will never get unless we change the government. It is clear, the government conspired with the Mossad and Israel to do 911 in a false flag operation. A bit of a catch 22 isn’t it?

  133. Paco  August 14, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Like you, I have never been at all comfortable with any aspect of the official Bush Administration story-line about 9/11. It is pointless to enumerate what seemed off-key, but the one that stands out for me is how we knew nothing about what was happening for about 24 hours and then we were presented with a story that included the names of all the perpetrators, where they trained, what they did the night before, etc., etc. This seemed like the kind of detail that even a grade-B TV drama would pretend took several weeks.

    However, there is a long stretch between distrusting the official story and believing a fully detailed alternative story line. Did Israel do it? Possibly, but I’m unaware of any real evidence.

  134. Earwaves  August 14, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Gordon, you’re the man! I think your observations are right on! Great article. I agree, the Mosque story is an obvious cover for any real look at 911 and of course, other political gain.

    One day we’ll know the truth. But as you say, all you need to do is show that the “official” story is a load of garbage and impossible. Then if we only had a Congress that was serving the people…

    Compare this to JFK times. At least we got a commission in ’76. Although by then, the coup was complete with a few dissenters who were eventually all removed from Congress, like Frank Church.
    Oh, we’re in great doo doo and there is little way, officially, out of it.

    Thanks again for your insightful comments and logic.

  135. fixthefuture911  August 14, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    “Of course,” says Shturman. “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the policy-explanation department of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the Foreign Ministry developed.”

  136. Gordon Duff  August 14, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Time to bomb switzerland…turning clock technology over to the muslims

    who probably developed it


  137. fixthefuture911  August 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Do you recommend a ” WAR ON CLOCK BUILDERS ” ??

  138. fixthefuture911  August 14, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    DISGUSTING , you to use the name “America” , shameless

  139. Edward Rynearson  August 14, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    CIT investigated the evnets at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001

  140. Edward Rynearson  August 14, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    August 7, 2010

    Kevin Barrett talks with Craig Ranke of Citizen Investigation Team (CIT), makers of the documentary National Security Alert. They discuss the CIT tour of Europe scheduled around this upcoming 9/11 anniversary. Craig also discusses 911blogger’s bizarre decision to censor Barrie Zwicker’s ringing endorsement of CIT.


  141. Dave  August 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    I’m not sure what to believe any more.

  142. Edward Rynearson  August 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    somewhere in the world . . . .

  143. Anti-zionist  August 14, 2010 at 5:51 pm


    Great article. When you stated that “the entire story is made up by a public relations agency working with the Israeli government and the GOP” you completely confirmed my suspicions.

    I also suspect that the zionists are behind the new anti-mulsim media campaign that is getting all the christian zios and Faux news watchers all stirred up, just in time for the zionists to get the US into a war on Iran. All of the sudden there tons of articles circulating the internet about the “islamization” of america and how the muslims want to impose sharia law on the US. Unfortunately, one of your fellow Marines, Drew Malone Raines, great nephew of Smedly Butler, has fallen for the zionist propaganda and is sending such articles out to his listeners (many of whom are in the military). You can see the kinds of articles he’s posting by going to http://amd.elequity.com/ I would greatly appreciate it if you Gordon or others visiting this site, could email him at [email protected] and explain to him what’s really going on. Drew is a good guy and does a radio show to wake people up to the truth, but unfortunately right now has obviously fallen for the zio propaganda and is playing into the hands of the enemy. The last thing we need is for someone like Drew, who provides info to members of the military, to be stirring up this anti-muslim sentiment, when we should be waking up the military to the fact that, as Jeff Gates says, Israel is waging war on the US by DECEPTION!!

  144. Mathew  August 14, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Israel has started a program called Operation Counterstrike (funded by American WELFARE $)
    to combat what they see as rising antisemitism on the Internet. Israeli College students and recently discharged IDF soldiers are PAID to surf the Internet, locate “hot spots”, then notify all the other Jews on their list to swarm in and counterattack.
    They’re here in numbers today. And when they’re not, Yahoo finds other ways to tip the balance in their favor.
    GOOGLE “megaphone” and “GIYUS” for more insight.

    It always amuses me when people say God will protect Israel and never be conquered nor occupied…. So the British, Babylonians, Romans, Egyptians…. were what exactly?

  145. Mathew  August 14, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    How’s the weather in Tel Aviv today?

  146. Mathew  August 14, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    This anti-mosque campaign, steered and pushed by the ADL and other Jewish groups, is really about diverting growing attention from “The Dancing Israelis”, and other facts pointing to MOSSAD as being involved. This mosque was a big nothing until People began questioning “the OFFICIAL” 9/11 STORY.

  147. K A Lebens  August 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Thanks for the informative article. I knew the Kennedy assassination story was a crock because I had done a lot of competition shooting and no one would make a sniper shot like that with a $30 POS surplus Italian rifle. Likewise after timing the WTC7 fall, and having had college physics, I knew something else had happened because simple math and a stopwatch indicated the whole building came down at virtually the speed of freefall, not something that happens unless in a planned demolition. However I know very little about flying so your article is very interesting. I was suspicious before reading it, because when a golfer’s plane is not answering they have done an intercept in two minutes, when some Muslim dingbat smokes on a commercial flight and jokes about it they have the plane diverted in minutes but we had planes flying all over the place on 9/11 with seemingly no air defense at all. Thanks again.

  148. Lovejoy  August 14, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Excellent article. Yet note that despite Mr. Duffs evident intelligence and ability to think logically and consequentially, the pro-Israel trolls and neanderthals are out here mindlessly repeating the tenets of the 9/11 cult religion while not being able to provide a single point of refutation, almost as if they have not even read the article but are rather just posting viruses wherever they can. You agent provacateurs are on the wrong site–and wasting your time. The gig is up.

  149. meggafish  August 14, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    I was initially doubtful of the origin of 9-11. When Powell called it an act of war, I knew something was going down. When the next day Bush quotes Hitler after the Reichstag fire— You’re either with us or against us– I was sure it was a planned attack by a sophisticated group. NORAD standing down that morning, no interceptor jets, the company running security at Logan Airport, the dancing Israelis, the absence from work by many Jews, former mayor of S.F. told not to fly that day, the nature of the buildings collapse, an interview– seen once on CNNABCCBSNBC with a worker from FEMA who said they were brought in on Sunday, the removal of evidence asap, the passport(s) found in the rubble, cell phones working from the plane, the whole,”let’s roll” b.s., the engineering studies contradicting the buildings fall, Larry Silverstein interview about pulling the building and now the evidence of how difficult flying these planes into their targets, all points to a giant lie perpetrated on the world, not just America. To solve this mystery, look at who benefited from the crime. It’s another case of war by deception.

  150. Brian  August 14, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Very good article. It’s time for the American Muslim organizations to challenge the official 911 story. They are probably concerned this will cause anger in America but since their image has already been tarnished they should take a chance get educated about 911 and challenge the ridiculous notion that 911 was a Muslim operation.

    They don’t have to blame Israel’s intelligence agency the Mossad for 911 but they can provide evidence such as the Dancing Israelis, the Israeli Art Students, Zim American Israeli Shipping Company, Odigo Systems etc. They should call for an investigation of the Mossad and the Israeli government regarding 911. That would be exciting.

    BTY, Nila Sagadevan suggests that the American Airlines 757 airliner did not hit the Pentagon and provides some compelling information. However based on the eyewitness accounts and the evidence at the Pentagon I do believe an American Airlines large plane hit the Pentagon. I posted a lot of information on the subject in the VT article
    NILA SAGADEVAN: 9/11-The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training.

    Here are some great links about the plane hitting the Pentagon:

    This article has insightful explanations and photographs. Probably the best article I have read on the subject: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html?q=ppfinal.html

    Here is a great article that has numerous eyewitness accounts of the event:

    This article indicates that flight 77 did hit the Pentagon:

  151. Gordon Duff  August 14, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    We are safe if we stick with the facts. Had we done this all along, we wouldn’t be where we are today..SOL.

  152. Lese Majeste  August 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    . The democrats are claiming that the GOP will bankrupt social security with their privatization schemes

    Many of those Dems were around when their prez, Slick Willy, raided the Social Security funds to balance the budget.

    To hide the biggest theft of wealth in history, like the one pulled off by Wall Street and its friends in the Fed, a BIG diversion was needed.

    Like 9/11.

  153. Lawrence A Dickerson  August 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Very informative article Mr. Duff.It is hard to refute hard engineering and physical science.

  154. Lawrence A Dickerson  August 14, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    @ America

    “with the goal of displacing Greenwich Mean Time as the world’s central time zone.”Would you care to post the proof of your statement or is this another dingleberry pulled from the inner recesses?

  155. Dan Cedusky  August 14, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    somewhere in the world a group of extremist Muslim terrorist are laughing and joking.. look it is working, now we will build a center right next door to the buildings we blew up. No matter what we do, we can always get the dumb Americans to blame the jews. We can get 25% of the Americans to believe anything we want.

  156. Chuckl  August 14, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    While I don’t normally buy into conspiracy theories, as a commercial pilot, I have never been able to believe the Pentagon aspect of 911. Without going back and looking over the reports (it’s been years and to me, “water over the damn”) I can’t recall anyone, anywhere on the ground near the Pentagon that reported seeing an airliner at low altitude anywhere near the building. And, I don’t recall any reports of finding large pieces of engine cores inside the wreckage consistent with with the engines on a B757. The reports that”all that evidence was destroyed in the ensuing fires” is not consistent with logic.

  157. America  August 14, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    For all the Kool-Aid drinkers that think putting a mosque at the site of 911 is not symbolic for the Islamic terrorists around the globe (and for the silent Muslim population that does not denounce them):

    The Saudi Arabian city of Mecca is building the biggest clock in the world — a massive 1,983-foot tower sporting four timekeeping faces each 151 feet in diameter — with the goal of displacing Greenwich Mean Time as the world’s central time zone.

    The clock will don text reading “in the Name of Allah.” Islamic scholars argue the clock ought to replace Greenwich Mean Time as the world standard, making Mecca “the true center of the earth.”

    So….is Obama just another Kool-Aid drinker or ?????

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