A Beautiful Gift from the BBC

Ken O'Keefe Bloodied Gaza Freedom Flotilla

Ken O'Keefe Bloodied on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla

If you Haven’t Seen It, Check out the BBC Panorama’s “Death in the Med” program (watch video below) and You’ll be Treated to First Class Propaganda as Only the BBC Can Deliver

I am one of the passengers/witnesses interviewed for this program and I am very much aware of BBC’s role in justifying war and covering up Israeli crimes.  I am in no way naive about this; to the contrary my motivation for the interview lay largely in the all too likely opportunity to expose the BBC. 

A relevant job considering the BBC’s role in the slaughter of over one million Iraqi’s, a direct role by virtue of the war they justified.  BBC from start to present, justifying Iraq, a massive war crime and crime against humanity based entirely on lies (propagated intensely by the BBC).  The British Broadcasting Corporation, synonymous with millions of orphans and refugees and countless lives destroyed in Iraq, beating the drums of war without pause, the ultimate prostitutes of propaganda.

With this understanding I solicited an agreement with the BBC producers, in return for my interview the program would include the fact that we disarmed, captured and ultimately released three Israeli commandos (after giving them medical attention no less).  That was the deal, a deal I made with an audio recorder in service. http://www.facebook.com/1worldcitizen#!/video/video.php?v=1440199638883

And yes the poor Israeli commandos were beaten, just as any invader in any capable persons home would be beaten.  I take no issue with that fact.

But truth be told, the commandos we captured should thank us for their lives.  I ask the Israeli’s, British and American people specifically, if your home was invaded, your family being murdered, would you be willing to disarm, completely control, and then set a murderer of your family free???

You can lie to yourself if you like, bury that head right down deep in the sand, but that ship was our home, and we were all brothers and sisters, aunties and uncles, united, a family, engaged in a most righteous cause, with the vast majority of the planet behind us.  The primary beneficiary of our mission, over 800,000 innocent children.

For those lost in a pit of ignorance and indoctrination, those currently stripped of all reason, absent of conscience, duped and hoodwinked, I know you very well because I was once you, a US Marine robot volunteering to kill or be killed.  I see my past self in the Zionist who has no capacity at this moment to think, for in that state it is all about regurgitation, independent thought is but a possibility.  For you I maintain no hate, for nobody actually, rather it is pity, pity for you that you sacrifice the greatest gift of all, the gift of humanity.

Ken O’Keefe interviewed by Jane Corbin of BBC Panorama

Ken O’Keefe interviewed by Jane Corbin of BBC Panorama

And so it is that the BBC, absent of integrity, contemptuous of humanity, attempts in this program to turn disarmed, helpless Israeli commandos into heroic self-rescuing commandos who managed to Superman their way out of a circle of well over 100 very motivated men whose brothers lay murdered with multiple gunshot wounds.  That is what we call a bald-faced lie.  Big time lie, in your face lie, you in the audience are a bunch of drooling idiots lie.

Returning from the Zionist alternate universe, we held in our power the fate of three boy commandos who may well have been murderers on that night.  Think about that, under these circumstances, we let them go.  That is what we call preserving life.

It is not that BBC does not know the truth, there are literally hundreds of witnesses and overflowing facts to reveal it; it is simply BBC’s slavish duty to produce a Zionist storyline of illusions and deceptions.  And the story goes that we are the aggressors, “terrorists”, “extremists” and killers.  Only in this context can the poor Israeli commandos be victims.  How is it possible to dominate and control commandos simply to let them go if we are killers?  Answer, it isn’t.  And that is precisely why Panorama blatantly lied.

Ah but the irony, the kind of irony that always provides me a smile from the inside out, the irony of these lies being big, beautiful gifts.  In all sincerity, thank you BBC.

The BBC says there is doubt as to who fired first.  There is no doubt at all who shot who and when to the hundreds of us on the Mavi Marmara and other ships.  The Israelis have said we shot at them, well where are their gunshot wounds?  And even if you have gunshot wounds, how do we know you did not shoot yourselves?  Exactly like you did in “Operation Cast Lead”?

Returning once again from the Zionist alternate universe, the Israeli military attacked in international waters and murdered within the first five minutes of the attack.  The attack resulting in scores of gunshot wounds and death in rapid succession. Blood spilling all over the ship.  In that environment I took possession of a 9mm pistol that I removed from one of the commandos… and I emptied it of the (real) bullets.  Other weapons were seized by other brothers and thrown into the sea, one of which was an assault rifle.  Yet when others and myself had the power to end life, and believe me it was as simple as release the safety, point, shoot, over.  Instead we preserved life, by taking those weapons away from established killers, we prevented them from killing more.  We literally saved our lives and their lives.  That is what we call cold, hard facts.

We could have taken out at least three of them, but we did not.  Nope, we let them go.

The BBC mentions that we were in international waters at the very end of the story, as if this were an insignificant fact.  The fact that Israel stole all the footage that it could, footage that undoubtedly shows them firing 4 bullets to the head of the 19-year-old American passenger, Furkan Dogan.  No problem.  Executing people at close range, no worries.  The fact that the blockade itself is illegal, nah, don’t mention that.  800,000 plus children in Gaza, malnourished, anemic, traumatised… not important.

I would need to review this program many times over to identify every poisoned tactic that the BBC employed in order to do what they do so well, justify murder and war.

Nevertheless BBC’s perversion of the truth will elevate the cause of justice immensely, delegitimizing itself in such grand fashion was indeed a great big gift.

Hats off to ya BBC!

Ken O’Keefe

TJP


PANORAMA: DEATH IN THE MED with Jane Corbin



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114 Responses to "A Beautiful Gift from the BBC"

  1. Charles n Charge  August 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Ken O’Keefe is like a bully who is really a coward with hurt feelings. He has gone to great lengths to portray himself as a victim when he in fact is a perpitrator. He uses the system to hide as soon as the consequences become more than he can bear. Frankly, he is very good at what he does. Unfortunately, what he does is very transparent, and pathetic. God loves Isreal, even as unlovable as they may seem.
    Defending islamic extremism is like defending a serial killer who thinks he is helping God. The justification of their actions based on a previous injustice? Weak, and undefendable.

  2. Esther  August 23, 2010 at 5:40 am

    One of the greatest of the conceits and delusions of Mara (above) – and those that think like him here – is that I would have to be in the pay of Israel to disagree with him. Of course I am not connected in any way. Actually, probably not one person in one hundred in the UK would agree with his anti-Semitic worldview.
    The Palestine Solidarity Campaign’s (PSC) world of emails, Twitter, Facebook raged across the UK last week and called for a mass Demo outside of the BBC’s HQ for yesterday to protest against Panorama’s (quite good) ‘Death in the Med’ programme (Sunday 23 August). I have since read, on a PSC favoured Fscebook page, that only 55 people turned up for it.

    • Ken O'Keefe  August 23, 2010 at 6:54 am

      In the last week I have had several BBC employees feed me inside information about the workings from within; very good stuff indeed. There have been demos in Belfast, Nottingham, Manchester, Newcastle, Bristol and London. Without a large scale event like an invasion with active bombing going on such demos are hard to manifest and to do so in the space of a few days is even harder. But the beauty of these protests is the ability to have more time with each other in an intimate way. My approach to every gathering I ever attend is to get at least one person seriously engaged, to add at least one more volunteer to the cause of justice. Make no mistake the last week has achieved way more than getting one person to engage. As is always the case in life it is all about quality, not quantity. Quality people are doing quality work that will amount in something massive in the coming months.

      In the meantime check out http://BPC-World.co.uk

      This is just one thing that manifested this week, and it is growing.

      TJP

    • Esther  August 23, 2010 at 10:26 am

      Ken, when you are collecting people to your Hamas-helping cause, as you say, “quality people for quality work”, do you include people like “Dub” above? He who wrote to me on 17th August: “I wonder what it will be for you in your next lifetime as a germ in a wolf’s throat! I have a sense universe will never allow something like you to inhabit a human body again.”

      I must say that that phrase has stuck in my mind as a curiousity. Your follower Dub cannot be Christian (and obviously is not Jewish) as neither faiths believe in reincarnation. Judaism doen’t even have any form of an aferlife belief, except as used in its poetry of mourning. Surely Moslems don’t believe in reincarnation either? So do you,Ken, have hate-filled Buddhists and Hindus as your followers here?

  3. Mara  August 19, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    F’esther beware! Fellow bloggers take note!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

  4. Mara  August 19, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    TRUTHFUL,HONOURABLE, ISRRA-HELL SOLDIERS ! WHAT A JOKE!

    JANE CORBIN. LET’S SEE YOU WHITEWASH THIS THEN.

    ‘ISRA-HEL’ SOLDIERS ARRESTED FOR FLOTILLA THEFT. http://australiansforpalestine.com/28401

  5. Mopbuh  August 18, 2010 at 7:09 am

    My first time on this site and I have to say I’m really impressed with the quality of reasoned argument.

    I just can’t wait for the coming utopia when we in the West will be governed by an elite cadre of medieval theocrats who will ensure that women are given their place as second class citizens and unspeakable homosexuals are publicly executed.

    The brave “freedom fighters” of Hamas are already struggling to make this a reality, facing up squarely to the child-eating IDF from behind the skirts of their women.

    Do none of you islamofascist apologists fancy just getting a life?

  6. Go11bravo  August 18, 2010 at 3:35 am

    If we are not careful, Israeli apologists (operatives?) will flood this site and make it unusable for us. They need to be flushed out and ignored so we can advance our own agenda. Esther and al. know exactly what they are doing. And they are runnning scared.

    • Fast Ed  August 18, 2010 at 9:48 am

      Your’re right dude… their purpose is to divert your train of thought so you dont dwell on the crimes committed by their masters… usually by triggering arguements amongst users which are totally unrelated to the alleged crimes in the original article..
      They are either working in pairs on this site or the same person is using different Id’s…

  7. Dub  August 17, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    While my link is still up, yeah it goes dead from time to time.

    http://dublinmick.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/call-it-what-it-is-genocide-crime-against-humanity/

  8. Dub  August 17, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    I wants me an Israeli used car! Help me!

  9. Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    You aint kidding.

  10. Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    On September 11, 2001 five Israelis are arrested after being seen cheering and apparently dancing as the World Trade Center burned. Supposedly employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be Mossad operatives. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his business and flees to Israel.

    Shortly after the attacks a woman in New Jersey takes her binoculars and looks toward the World Trade Center. In the parking lot of her apartment she notices three men kneeling on a white van apparently filming the burning Towers. Later they took pictures and film of themselves with the burning building the background. To her amazement the men seemed happy over the terrorist incident. She noted the license plate of the van and called the police.

    The plate number was traced to a company called Urban Moving. Later that afternoon the van was spotted near Giant Stadium on a service road off of Route 3. Five men ages 22 thru 27 were arrested at gunpoint and taken into custody by the police. One of the men had 4,700 in cash hidden in his sock and another had to two foreign passports. All five of the men identified themselves as Israeli citizens. The five were later identified as Sivan Kurzberg his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
    It was determined by the FBI and reported in the nation Jewish newspaper The Forward two of those arrested were working for Israeli intelligence.

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Israelis_on_9/11

    Gosh, good thing those people at Odigo got that phone call to get the hell out of the WTC, isn’t?

    And that lucky Israeli owned shippin company that forfeited 50K to get out of the WTC right before the attacks, lucky, lucky, lucky, eh?

    The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. [Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/2001] Zim announced the move and its date six months earlier. [Virginian-Pilot, 4/3/2001] More than 200 workers had just been moved out; about ten are still in the building making final moving arrangements on 9/11, but escape. [Jerusalem Post, 9/13/2001; Journal of Commerce, 10/18/2001] The move leaves only one Israeli company, ClearForest, with 18 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. The four or five employees in the building at the time manage to escape. [Jerusalem Post, 9/13/2001] One year later, a Zim ship is impounded while attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel.

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a090401zimamerican’ defer=’defer

    And that Israeli company, ICTS that owned Huntleigh, that let the alleged hijackers thru on 9/11, lucky again?

    Just like ICTS let thru the Shoe Bomber and the Detroit Crotch Bomber, lucky again!

    Gosh, what a friend we have in Israel!!!!!

  11. Patrick Sullivan  August 17, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    “They kill without mercy”

    “Please forgive them”

    • Dub  August 17, 2010 at 7:06 pm

      This anti-semitism we keep hearing about is non-existent. The Edomites who inhabited the middle east were from present day Russian Khzars. They are the same ones Jesus categorized as those who say they are jews and not jews. They infiltrated and took over Judaism as they have the west.

      After killing Jesus they were routed and infiltrated China where they were routed again by Kubla Khan and fled to Japan. The star of David goes back thousands of years in Japanese temples. The great enigma of our times is why did the Oppenheimers of the day bomb their co-religionists in Japan? Probably some karma yet to come on this one.

  12. Chuckyman1969  August 17, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Ahh the megaphonies have arrived in force. See my earlier post on their script/playbook
    http://australiansforpalestine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tip_report.pdf

    It’s a fascinating read and will save us all some time refuting mindless troll-speak.
    WAR IS PEACE.
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

    Remember Big Brother is watching – always

  13. Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Another fantastic example.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 6:58 pm

      Just what I was thinking, Stevie Wonder!

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 7:02 pm

      Or should that have been ‘Blunder’? Damn!

  14. Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Israeli General urges US-Israel strike against Iran January 1, 2007

    Because of the dramatic loss of political power of the Bush-Cheney administration, General Tira urges the Israel Lobby to, “turn to Hillary Clinton and other potential presidential candidates in the Democratic Party so that they support immediate action by Bush against Iran.”

    In another move designed to strengthen Bush politically, General Tira urges the Israel Lobby to exert its influence on European countries so that, “Bush will not be isolated in the international arena again.”

    As if all of that Israel-lobbying in America and Europe were not enough, General Tira proposes an even more aggressive political tactic, “We must clandestinely cooperate with Saudi Arabia so that it also persuades the US to strike Iran. For our part, we must prepare an independent military strike by coordinating flights in Iraqi airspace with the US. We should also coordinate with Azerbaijan the use of airbases in its territory and also enlist the support of the Azeri minority in Iran. In addition, we must immediately start preparing for an Iranian response to an attack.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4271

    Anyone paying attention to Hillary in her 2008 campaign would know that it was evident she got on board with mass murder, all to please her masters in Apartheid Israel.

  15. Tony Boy  August 17, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    All that needs to happen to lift the blockade and get food to those poor ‘ickle kiddies is for Hamas to cease all terrorist activities against Israel. If they stopped trying to kill Israelis, vowed never to fire another rocket at innocent civilians, and recognized Israel’s right to exist, say by signing up to a peace accord, the blockade would be eased. Indeed, if Hamas were to withdraw from their (publically-stated) genocidal mission to eliminate all Jews from the face of the Earth, and show, over time, that they actually practiced the peace their religion demands, the Palestinian people would have wonderful lives. And this isn’t an opinion – it’s a fact.

    Hamas ceases violence = improved lives for Palestinians.

    And while I’m on a role, how can anyone justify backing Hamas? A body that attacks Israel, basing their rocket launchers in heavily populated areas, knowing the Israelis will respond, knowing their own citizens will die in that response – HOW can any sane person consider Hamas the good guys? Any Palestinian death by Israeli hands is a publicity stunt orchestrated by some of the most evil men alive.

    • Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 6:16 pm

      Tony boy, when Egypt blockaded Israel from the Straits of Tiran back in 1956, what did Israel do?

      Israel attacked Egypt.

      If Israel wants to keep acting like a spoiled brat, using murder, theft, lies, blackmail, genocide and extortion to get its way, then do it without having the US taxpayer fund your murderous activities.

      We need that money going to your Apartheid nightmare here at home.

      P.S. And no false flag in the Negev against those US Marines and Army personnel training with your sadistic IOF.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:24 pm

      You started with an interesting comment, but then you spoilt it by flaunting your “legitimate criticism” of Israel.

      When you write such unadulterated nonsense, it sort of proves my point that it is not feasible to have a rational conversation with someone like you.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:20 pm

      Tony,

      Do you really think that rational argument will make a dent? Look at Esther’s excellent writings and the responses she has received. Ken even responded by writing that the Mossad being behind the 9/11 attacks.

      “HOW can any sane person consider Hamas the good guys”

      They are not quite all there Tony. Antisemitism is a disease of the mind.

    • Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 6:28 pm

      Anti-semitism is a disease of the mind.

      Really, is that also in Wikipedia?

      Then what is the Israeli mindset that makes them think they must control all of the ME and will do anything to achieve that sordid goal?

      I’d say genocide, racism and bigotry against the people whose land you occupy and the wholesale theft of their lands, water and buildings is the real disease of the mind.

      P.S. Screaming anit-Semite doesn’t work very well in the real world, as people realize that’s what Zionists and rabid Israelis start shouting anytime someone starts injecting truth and facts into the discussion.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:39 pm

      You are actually a really good example. Thank you.

    • Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 6:54 pm

      ATTENTION MEGAPHONIES AND JEWISH INTERNET DEFENSE FORCES, SITUATION URGENT!!

      Respond immediately to Veterans Today and start muddying the waters with hasbara and the talking points I am emailing you.

      We CAN NOT let Americans start thinking for themselves, we need our American Sugar Daddy for money, weapons, UN Vetoes and PR.

      Respond ASAP and as always, use the anti-Semite threat!!

      That is an order!!!

      Signed

      Benny Nuttyahoo

    • Keith  August 17, 2010 at 6:38 pm

      Yeah, that’s right, Israel wasnt occupying and murdering Palestinians until Hamas came along and spoilt it all (sarcasm, obviously).

      What came first, Tony Boy, Israel’s murderous occupation and theft, or Hamas?

      You do know that Hamas won the last Palestinian election don’t you? Perhaps you should ask the Palestinians who voted for them why they consider them to be the good guys. You know, those Palestinians who suffer in what is called the worlds largest open-air prison camp of Gaza and the often even poorer conditions of the West Bank.

      Perhaps you think the world should ignore what the Palestinians themselves have to say, after all they are only Arabs (more sarcasm)?

      Hamas have openly offered peace if only Israel would end the occupation of 1967.

      And it is not Hamas that is firing rockets at Israel, it is often the other main party of Mr Abbbas, the Fatah party. Hamas is not known to fire rockets during a ceasefire, confirmed by Israeli military reports btw.

      So it appears you have a lot of learning to do if you are going to try and make a point on the subject of Israel/Palestine, Tony Boy.

  16. Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Israel Says War on Iraq Would Benefit the Region

    Israelis have also suggested that that an Iraq war may salvage their economy and even prompt the opposition Labor Party to join Mr. Sharon’s coalition in a new government of national unity.</i<

    http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167/35433.html

  17. Fast Ed  August 17, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    It sounds like Ester is one of those mossad appointed propagandists… you know the type.. they hang around the same webiste all day spewing nonsensical comments. Comments which fly in the face of all know facts, logic and common sense… they try to capitalise on the idea that not everyone who comes the site is fully informed… and they just merely need to throw in a little doubt and the uninformed will resort to their default state of swallowing any crap their govt throws at them…. (they plague all the better know websites).

    The Panorama program and people like Ester are all part of the same propaganda campaign. Ester turing up here is no coincidence.

    Anway, interesting to see how the BBC assumes that the Israelis had somekind of god given right to board the ship…. and what’s the point of even mentioning paintball-guns if you’ve alread shot dead nine people with conventional guns… it’s a bit like saying.. “hey I just blasted someone to death with a shotgun.. but hey it’s ok cos in my pocket I was carrying a feather with which I could’ve tickled him”.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 5:50 pm

      That’s the way (of the bully). You don’t address my arguments. You just launch an attack on my integrity, so that you and your likeminded readers here don’t have to deal with facts.
      One of these nutters above spoke of a “Talmudic Mainstream Media”. What the F is that? Talmudic??? Mainstream Media??? How the hell is that meant to work?
      And I’m the one accused by FastEd of spewing nonsensical comments!

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:53 pm

      Shhhh Esther, he is on the team! He is in the office downstairs working in the black propaganda department. See you at lunch. I love this job!

    • Dub  August 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm

      I don’t know what media that is anyway Esther, I don’t watch it anymore and neither does anyone else with a room temperature I.Q. That is why they are all going out of business, but don’t worry the ones who won’t listen are being sprayed with corexit. There is always a way to deal with rational humans, right, just kill them.

      I wonder what it will be for you in your next lifetime as a germ in a wolf’s throat! I have a sense universe will never allow something like you to inhabit a human body again.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm

      “Ad hominem abusive”
      Ad hominem abusive usually involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to invalidate their argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent’s argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent’s personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent’s arguments or assertions.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 6:41 pm

      “insulting or belittling one’s opponent”

      “one’s opponent” YOU are not my ANYTHING!-‘lady’

      “insulting or belittling”

      Lets be honest – it wouldn’t take much, now would it?

      Thanks for making me smile tho’. ‘Swallowd a ‘Wiki’dictionary, have we?

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:43 pm

      Hey Esther, we should exchange email addresses. Maybe we can both be Mhara’s cretins!

    • Lawrence A Dickerson  August 17, 2010 at 7:53 pm

      Esther:

      Earlier you stated that you were not American nor Israeli.Would you care to share the country of your origin so that I may have a better understanding of your national views in a world setting.

      I do have pity on you for calling the American dead and wounded a bunch of claptrap.You totally missed my point thus you failed to address the very subject of my comment.

      I was giving a psychological background into why Mr.Clark went into a dangerous situation with the wisdom of a Muslim warrior.No matter who,when and where we warriors are always prepared to give our life for the good of all.I held good friends in my arms while they bled to death with their guts hanging out and a leg torn off.How about the ones whose heads were ripped from their body.Each a fallen hero,a warrior whose blood flowed freely so that on a a high school debate team.

      Regular readers of this site have been through all of the dialogue and reading concerning these matters.Perhaps you might find it interesting to do some back riding to include the links provided.There is a wealth of material in these editorials and comments.I was much like you in the beginning days of my reading VT but slowly as I continued to write compare and contrast,I started changing my opinions that I thought were set in stone.

      I challenge you to read one weeks worth of material thoroughly and still maintain your belief system as it is today.I can only hope that you will rise to the occasion and accept this offer.What do you have to lose except for a little time?The end results could solidify your opinions as well.Should you accept I ask that you do so from an open mind and not from a mind set that is scoffing all the way through.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 6:27 pm

      “A germ in a wolf’s throat! So astoundingly imaginative”!

      No fear of anyone accusing you of that!

    • fixthefuture911  August 18, 2010 at 2:36 am

      “Of course,” says Shturman. “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the policy-explanation department of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the Foreign Ministry developed.”

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      Nice work Agent Ed. Your cheque is in the post. Remember you are paid per comment, not per character count.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 7:17 pm

      “Hey Esther, we should exchange email addresses. Maybe we can both be Mhara’s cretins!

      Maybe? You already are.

  18. Bill Smitts  August 17, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    What all this boils down to is this. Europeans and the British in spite of what many Brits think are Europeans, and Americans are party to this murder. Instead of trying find solutions to problems concerning Palestinian land being taken and Palestinian lives being destroyed they prefer to turn their backs to these murderers, and write it off as some modern biblical event ment to hapen.

    Ken O’Keefe every place I have gone in this war torn world I have-met people with Irish names trying to undue suffering at best and comfort the dying. You are one of a long line.

    Remember this America these Zionists are going at full pace trying to elect pro Zionist politicians in the US to serve them this fall.

  19. Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    I am Israel. I can murder anyone I like, but I especially enjoy shooting pregnant women in the stomach and kids in the head and no one will do anything, because I am Israel.

    I am Israel. I can steal trillions of wealth out of American bank accounts and have my agents like ‘Bernie’ Madoff ship that loot to my Bank Leumi and no one will say anything, becasue I am Israel.

    I am Israel. I can set off false-flags against countries that are supposed to be my allies and my Zionist owned MSM will blame it on the people I love to hate, Muslims and Arabs and no one will say anything, for I am Israel.

    I am Israel, I love to hate all non-Jews and hold in contempt those who try to curry favor with me, they are nothing more than dogs and this I get away with for I am Israel.

    I am Israel and I would rather nuke the entire world, using our SAMPSON option, rather than see our 2,000 year long plan for Apartheid Israel go to waste and no one will say anything, because there will be no one left.

    Such is my hate that I would gladly destroy the entire world, for I am Israel.

    • Justin  August 17, 2010 at 5:34 pm

      Hey, don’t bring reality into the debate. Reality = anti-Zionism.

  20. Lawrence A Dickerson  August 17, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    @Esther

    “Cevdet Kiclar is shown interviewed before the voyage as stating that he hoped to become a muslim martyr – i.e. die in battle with ‘non-believers’ and so go”

    As a non combatant I wouldn’t expect you to understand the mind set of a warrior.Each of those individuals on the Mavi Marmara understood full well that they were be met with resistance and an armed force.They went into that foray knowing that they faced the unknown with a probability that they may die in their efforts to break that blockade.Thus his assuming that statement that he went with honor to meet his destiny.

    Some 50 years ago I and the millions of other American Army members before and after were subject to the,”Code of Conduct”.I still remember to this day the first section:

    “I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”

    That sentiment was felt and empowered at every moment of my career.Do you possibly think that Mr.Kiclar had the very same drive and purpose?Of course he did as well as every other person in that flotilla..For you to be a Monday morning quarterback and offer assessments based on lack of experience and knowledge is disrespectful to those brave men and women.

    • Ken O'Keefe  August 17, 2010 at 3:51 pm

      That is beautiful Lawrence. It is ironic people who exhibit so much courage and humanity can be judged by those who all too often lack any of their charachter. But then again it matters not what judgements such people make, what matters is being true to our heart and our conscience. Those who have lost both are the most pitied of all. Cevdet did his children proud and they will always love him for that, just as the countless families loved those lost in the world wars.
      TJP

    • Dub  August 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm

      Yes it is Ken those little girls on the ship who have more courage and understanding than the great heroes who are protecting “democracy.” The same chickenshits that are leaving the area in the gulf while Americans are being sprayed with corexit. Hallelujah.

      God the hypocrisy is overwhelming at times.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 4:27 pm

      Did my history books miss the period “some 50 years ago” when you “and the millions of other American Army members before and after” visited Vietnam with Peace Flotillas laden with essential humanitarian aide? Or was that a B52 in your pocket?

      What sentimental, mis-remembered claptrap.

      You in Vietnam were soldiers sent to fight – but the IHH lot claimed to the World Media to be peaceniks. But obviously some 100 or so of them really were soldiers in disguise, looking for a fight.
      Surely, we actually seem to agree on that point.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 5:33 pm

      Whatever happened to goodbye – probably.?

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:45 pm

      Since you can’t even understand what happened on the Mavi Marmara, I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to comprehend anything at all.

      But here is a tip. Look up the word ‘probably’ in the dictionary.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 6:24 pm

      “Since you can’t even understand what happened on the Mavi Marmara, I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to comprehend anything at all”.

      And you can? Probably – not.

    • Dub  August 17, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      In the words of Forest Gump, just another box of chocolates.

    • John Sullivan  August 17, 2010 at 6:37 pm

      Armed to the teeth with, er, humanitarian supplies.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm

      Well said!

  21. Chuckyman1969  August 17, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Hummm. Armed men storm a civilian vessel in international waters and make off with the ship and its cargo. When the Somali’s do it its called piracy n’est pas?

    Sorry Esther, before you go, which page of “The Israel Project’s 2009 Global Language Dictionary are you quoting from”?
    http://australiansforpalestine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tip_report.pdf

  22. Esther  August 17, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Well, at least I’ve smoked out some of the cockroaches here.
    Time to say goodbye – probably.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 4:34 pm

      AND GOOD RIDDANCE!

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:42 pm

      LOL

      Now is that a way to treat a guest?!

  23. K. Rechtstein  August 17, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    =>Where’ve u been the last 8 years, Esther? A lot of FACTS ‘ve been laid on the table to proove that 9/11 was an inside job’n Israel is not foreign to it… Suma sumarum: Either ur IQ is below average, which is not ur fault, or u are a below average Sayanim trying a propaganda stunt with arguments long ago proven false ‘n worn out. Take ur preaching to a less informed community. It won’t work here…

  24. K. Rechtstein  August 17, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Esther, here u’re again w. ur self-contradicting rethoric. U claim the statement of FACTS, (related to causes ‘n effects of the trend in the behavioral pattern of the Rogue Criminal Artifially Created State of Israel), as being OFF topic, while u bring in Zion Talmudic Mainstream Media sponsored propaganda about “Jihadists” who exist only in the mind of the same Zion Talmudic Internl Mafia that took us 2 war on Afg-Iraq. True also u don’t miss the Iranian “treath”, another lie to serve Israel’s interests.

  25. Ken O'Keefe  August 17, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    It simply must be said Esther, whether you know it or not you are a collaborator or agent in the downfall of America. Dancing Israeli’s in Liberty Park filming the events of 9-11 as directed by their Mossad superiors, is that recent enough for you. Israel’s murdering of 34 of America’s sons on the Liberty in order to bring America into a war with Egypt and likely the Soviet Union. True story. You allign yourself with that and so, so much more. Only the most ignorant of fools or agent of the Zionist state could spew what you spew. Which one is it?

    Thank God more and more Americans are realising that the relationship of the shameless American government with Israel is tantamount to treason. While America continues its dramatic fall from grace, you will continue to have your place Esther.

    For the record; I am the kid and the man who stands up for those being bullied, always have been.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 1:37 pm

      This is another off-topic diversionary ploy of yours. You don’t address my points to you because, it seems, you cannot.

      However, you think that Mossad was responsible for 9-11?! Wow, I thought that you were a hard man, but not just another nut job.

      Dare I ask you for the alleged Israeli motive? I saw the planes hit the twin towers live on TV and I watched the Arab street celebrate. On one cruise liner I know about personally, even the Muslim Indonesian crew partied-like-no-tomorrow. On the other hand, the Israeli public was rightly distraught. Furthermore, geo-politicly, the Israelis needed a strongish independent (Sunni) Iraq to cancel out the equal threat from (Shia) Iran. Now that’s all been messed up by the US/UK invasion of Iraq and they now have this huge and growing threat from Iran and its proxy Hezbollah, without a hostile (to Iran) Iraq as a buffer.

      On the other hand, the motives for Global Jihad can be found all over the net.

    • Geoff  August 17, 2010 at 2:22 pm

      Like your ‘Global Jihad motives’, here are some other things you can study ‘all over the net’….Benjamin Freedman, King David Hotel,Lavon affair,Sabra & Shatila,dancing israelis on 911,Jonathan Pollard,Isser Harel(he must be the worlds best psychic!!!), Letters between JFK & David Ben Gurion, Dov Zakheim etc. I could go on and on, but just this small amount of truth may be too overwhelming.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:35 pm

      I for one am overwhelmed by your version of “truth”.

      “Truth”: The rallying call of those who believe that the American government or the Mossad were behind the 9/11 attacks.

      “Truth”: The belief that Israel was behind the war in Iraq despite the fact that Sharon was even on the record opposing such an American move?

      “Truth”: The belief that Ken has integrity.

      “Truth”: Every time you mention that word, it simply loses it’s meaning.

    • Dub  August 17, 2010 at 3:09 pm

      Esther
      What we have going here is a global jewhad. Why are we even discussing 911, the jury is back and the verdict is in, Israel guilty as charged, book them Dano.

      Haven’t you noticed with this party line of yours, you are more and more talking to yourself? We all know what happened and what is going on. I feel sure that former Isreal politician Menachem Begin is one of your heroes, I am just sure of it. Let me quote him.

      “Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. (Wanna be his neighbor?”)

      Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982″

      Here is the definition of a real nutcase you should be following up on. Here is a couple of links you may have missed Esther. See this is what you call hate Esther. Don’t expect your high school teacher to give you any extra credit for this. Your attempts at hasbarat have failed.

      http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_NpnH7jDc&feature=player_embedded

    • Mara  August 18, 2010 at 9:22 am

      Brilliant post Dub, but she just aint worthy of it lad.

    • Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 5:19 pm

      Esther, you’re not a very good liar, but I guess you hasbara types got sloppy from all those years when the only news available was the NYT and CBS.

      Israel wanted a strong Iraq? that’s not what your PM said back in 2002:

      Israel To U.S.: Don’t Delay Iraq Attack JERUSALEM, Aug. 16, 2002

      Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday.

      Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said Sharon aide Ranaan Gissin.

      “Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose,” Gissin said. “It will only give him (Saddam) more of an opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction.”

      As evidence of Iraq’s weapons building activities, Israel points to an order Saddam gave to Iraq’s Atomic Energy Commission last week to speed up its work, Gissin said.

      “Saddam’s going to be able to reach a point where these weapons will be operational,” he said.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml

      P.S. In the above story, just change Iraq for Iran and you’ll have the latest batch of lies from your homeland.

      Yes, I saw how distraught those dancing Israelis, caught filming the WTC attacks in New Jersey were.
      They were hi-fiving one another and having a good ol’ time watching their plan come to fruition.

    • Go11bravo  August 18, 2010 at 3:14 am

      Esther says we care off topic. Don’t let her dictate the frame. Most people on this site know the truth about Israel. Most people here know Israel made Hamas to weaken the PLO just like the US made al Qae”da to fight the Soviets. We need to adance our own agenda and that means convincing those who don’t ye see the trut. Esther knows exactly what she is doing and whom she is working for.

    • Mara  August 18, 2010 at 9:35 am

      F’esther’s just loving all this attention. It’s probably all she gets.
      Can’t think why. With all that love and compassion oozing out of her.

      Why dont we all just ignore her? – and her wacky little lackey ‘Stevie Blunder’ – and simply discuss amongst ourselves?

      After all, you wouldn’t breathe the same putrid air if you were unfortunate enough to be in the same room as her, so why waste your precious breath here?

      .

  26. Kenny  August 17, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    If anyone wants to see the BBC propaganda it’s here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXrzF0IOQYE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfo91FQVr7M

    uploaded by BritishNeoCon, an appropriate moniker …

  27. Chuckyman1969  August 17, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Ah, Queen Esther – named after the bane of the Persians.

    You seem to base your discussion of the supreme ‘right’ of Israhell to defend its persecution of Gaza. The brave commando facing the wrath of men armed with sawn off metal bars and semi-automatic cigarette lighters.

    So you say that young Cevdet Kiclar believed he would be martyred for his cause. What of it? He was a fair judge of the forces he would meet, don’t you think.
    Many of the videos released by the IDF showed obvious signs of being fakes. No one seems to have refuted the smuggled video of the deliberate and cold blooded murder of a US citizen, Furkan Dogan. Official pictures of the ‘discovered weapons’ have their original dates preserved in the metadata showing they were taken years earlier.

    How merrily you pass by the small issue of the location of the assault. I think you will find it defined as piracy and is considered tantamount to an open declaration of war on the sovereignty of the vessel’s country of registration.

    It seems Ken frightens you, Esther. You say he is fit, fierce and angry. Might the word righteous apply? Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Why does no one volunteer to come and show their love for Israhell in this fashion?

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 11:54 am

      No Chuck, you don’t know what piracy is either. According to an article in the Guardian newspaper, written by its legal affairs correspondent, “Attempts to tackle piracy through international law are being hampered by the lack of a consistent definition. The legal definitions that exist concern economic gain resulting from acts of violence at sea.” More of the same from all the sources that I looked up.

      Yes, I suppose that a big Irish-American male in his physical prime covered in tattoos, including his face, is quite intimidating. Isn’t that Ken O’Keefe’s intention? To look frightening and so bully people more esily?

    • Chuckyman1969  August 17, 2010 at 12:04 pm

      Let’s asks the jolly old Brit’s about piracy – after all Britannia waves the rules don’t they? Whatever happened to all the supplies from the convoy? At least they gave the boat a lick of paint to cover up the blood stains.

      I will take your word for how he looks Esther. I’m old fashioned and I never looked at him that way.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 12:24 pm

      All the supplies from the convoy went by truck from the Israeli port to Gaza. I thought that everyone knew that. The BBC documentary shows it all in a Gaza warehouse.

      Yes, Britannia did rule the waves until about 100 years ago – but obviously not since. Makes a change from K. Rechtstein going on about the USS Liberty 43 years ago, to create a diversion from the actual subject under discussion. So you also seem to hate not only Israel but also England – for stuff that went on in the 19th Century and long before that.
      Obviously I should have picked an identical definition of piracy from a non-British source. They all say the same thing.

    • K. Rechtstein  August 17, 2010 at 1:37 pm

      Shalom again Esther, It took you only 2 posts to contradict urself’n unveil the bad faith-‘n devious mind characteristic to the same crowd, u defend-identify with: 1rst u claimed, u didn’t know anything about the Israeli slaughter (June 1967) of 34 innocent Americans ‘n wounding 173 in international waters; then the sick rethoric, u use, call the massacre(u knew about)a diversion. The attack of M/S MAVI MARMARA’ s a REPLAY of the attack on USS LIBERTY: Samehordes-murder in high Seas unarmed crew-passengers.

    • K. Rechtstein  August 17, 2010 at 1:42 pm

      Shalom again Esther, It took u only 2 posts to contradict urself’n unveil the bad faith-‘n devious mind characteristic of the same crowd, u defend-identify with: 1rst u claimed, u didn’t know anything about the Israeli slaughter (June 1967) of 34 innocent Americans ‘n wounding 173 in international waters; then the sick rethoric, u use, call the massacre(u knew about)a diversion. The attack of M/S MAVI MARMARA’ s a REPLAY of the attack on USS LIBERTY: Same hordes-murder in high Seas unarmed crew-passengers.

    • Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 5:14 pm

      How about Apartheid Israel giving back all the cell phones, cameras and video recording devices they stole from the passengers?

      BTW, they can also give back the money they stole and tell your IOF friends they can’t steal anymore of the Gaza Aid ship passengers money thru fraudulent use of stolen credit cards.

  28. K. Rechtstein  August 17, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Shalom Esther, Your use of derogatory semantics, i.e. “error of judgement”…huh… on both sides…does not sit well with the facts:1)Unarmed flotilla in international waters, attacked by hordes from a criminal Rogue State, same way it did against USS LIBERTY 53 years ago, slaying 34 Americans, wounding 173 incl. the captain; 2)9 civilians dead, many wounded, none of the attackers killed. 19 year old unarmed American shot 4 times in the head by of your defendants…Playing the victim again? Shame on you.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 8:40 am

      Thanks for the “Shalom”, KR – but I’m not an Israeli. It’s a pathetic rhetorical tactic of yours to bring in your conspiracy theory about USS Liberty of 53 years ago. Who here is playing the victim rather than discussing the issue in hand and some facts about the Mavi Marmara affair that aren’t even seriously disputed?

      O’Keefe himself says in his article here above that he was joined in his battle by “well over 100 very motivated men”. Testimonies made to camera by at least two of these state that Jihad and ‘Martyrdom’ was on their agenda from the start.

      I know that appearances are sometimes deceptive – but have you ever seen what Ken O’Keefe looks like and the self-righteous rage that he spits out when challenged?

      Also, I thought that this is a US Military Vet’s site. How come you seem to agree that O’Keefe should be allowed to praise himself just for not killing an injured captured soldier in cold blood. Especially since the Israelis had control of the ship by then and it was destined for an Israeli port where he would have been handed over to be tried in court for murder? Anyway, I don’t imagine that is what US marines are taught about the treatment of prisoners.

      Your bit about an “Unarmed flotilla in international waters, attacked by hordes from a criminal Rogue State” just goes in the same swill bucket as Faiz’s vomit:
      “dont you satan followers have any soul ??? everyday i see your face on in white house, on the wall street, in the media and I wonder how can this devil worshipers go on and on like this forever!!!”
      NOT WORTH ADDRESSING, it’s so twisted and sick.

    • Alan  August 17, 2010 at 9:20 am

      The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty is a conspiracy theory? That is a good one. And it was 43 years ago in 1967 not 53 years ago as Rechstein states.

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 9:42 am

      I am not an Israeli nor an American. I know nothing much about the USS Liberty affair and I suspect that you don’t either. As you rightly say, it was an event 43 years ago and it was not well documented by files or video in the public domain. It can be read about on Wikipedia. Above all, it is also “off-topic”.

      The actual subject here is the Mavi Marmara, the events on which are recent and well documented by videos taken mostly by Israel’s enemies and some of these are available from their own websites. These show, at the very least, deliberate intent by some 100 fit young men on board the ship to engage in armed violent struggle with Israelis.
      The BBC documentary also showed that the “charity” aspect of the voyage was, in part, a cynical sham. Two-thirds of the medicines sent to the Gaza warehouse from the flotilla were out-of-date – i.e. not ‘better than nothing’, but dangerous. Probably the Turks were clearing out their bad hospital stocks. The Gazan hospitals will not take them and they might go as poisonous landfill. Similary, the other stuff shown, such as hundreds of powered mobility scooter, met no actual demand in Gaza.

    • Bob  August 17, 2010 at 1:57 pm

      “, the events on which are recent and well documented by videos taken mostly by Israel’s enemies”

      ER, except Israel stole the videos so that the FACTS would not be shown as you well know.

      Israel did this because they fear the truth. The truth will condemn their barbarity.

      You justify death and murder as “avoidable tragedy”

      Maybe if Israel stopped murdering people, maybe stopped occupying them, maybe stopped torturing them, maybe stopped hijacking their ship in an act of piracy, then maybe it could be an “avoidable tragedy”

      It would have been “avoidable” if Israel wasn’t a criminal nation ruled by war criminals intent on maiming and killing anyone they deem “a terrorist”. They could have avoided it by not commiting international crimes. But then they have apologists like you. All criminals through history have had apologists. You are a sorry example of humankind.

    • fixthefuture911  August 17, 2010 at 9:29 am

      Unarmed flotilla in international waters, attacked by FASCIST VAMPIRES from a criminal Rogue State

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 10:03 am

      It is undisputed and documented that 100 or so young men from the IHH on the Mavi Marmara were armed with (at least) iron bars (shown on TV being cut with angle-grinders from the railing of the ship) and knives.

      In this context, “International waters” means nothing special in International Law. Either you have a legal right, as a a Sovereign Nation, to stop and inspect ships or you don’t. Israel is not a “criminal rogue State” but a member of the United Nations. Furthermore, it was actually created by the UN.

      I take the reference to ‘fascist vampires’ as being a joke.

    • Amara  August 17, 2010 at 11:03 am

      The BBC program was intended to create the same line of thinking as yours. You need to take a detox . Don’t rant taking the fiction from that program as fact. I would doubt anybody’s mental capabilities if they take their facts from Wikipedia – the democratic encyclopedia where cabals of like minded editors sit on articles, disallowing the real facts being published.

    • Bob  August 17, 2010 at 1:59 pm

      Actually, Esher, Israel was not created by the UN. But then facts aren’t your stongpoint. Israel isn’t even a full member of the UN but a participator. Go check history, it will contradict your world view but you should try to learn some facts before spouting your propganda. The UN partition plan gave “jews” 55% of the land, They currently occupy 78% and have military control over 90+%. But as I say, facts don’t match your world view so you just have to ignore them.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 4:42 pm

      You’re the joke Fester! Sick one, admittedly.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 4:45 pm

      Yore the joke Festher. Admittedly, a sick one.

    • John Sullivan  August 17, 2010 at 6:32 pm

      Iron bars against rifles. Its the kind of contest Israel relishes. You seem to believe that nobody has the right to defend themselves against the oh-so-righteous Israelis.

    • Go11bravo  August 18, 2010 at 3:10 am

      Hello?! They were on Their boat. They were attacked by people with loaded guns. Their mission was humanitary. The bloackade on Gaza is a crime against humanity. Esther is eating up our time with bogus arguments. Perhaps she is Mosad, tracing internet addresses of anti-israelis in the US? If that is the case, I hope they have a lot of memory in their computers.

      The worst thing the UN ever did was give European Jews a state in someone else’s land. I would have been nice to offer the people who already lived there, Christians, Muslims and Jews, a chance to form a free secular state in the wake of the British mandate. What we got is a Jewish supremist state bent on klling, raping and destroying.

    • Dub  August 17, 2010 at 10:45 am

      Esther
      Do you have a used car you could sell me? I want to buy from you!

    • fixthefuture911  August 17, 2010 at 9:24 am

      🙂

  29. Esther  August 17, 2010 at 6:49 am

    Ken O’Keefe is in denial about the blood that he has on his own hands.
    What happened on Mavi Marmara was an avoidable tragedy caused by errors of judgement on both sides.
    For example, in the BBC documentary,Cevdet Kiclar is shown interviewed before the voyage as stating that he hoped to become a muslim martyr – i.e. die in battle with ‘non-believers’ and so go to heaven. Well, he died. A rousing and very aggressive speech is shown to be given by the head of the IHH. The head of media services on the boat explains how much this is all intended as more a political propaganda coup on behalf of Gaza rather than about just delivering ‘stuff’.
    So Ken O’Keefe – a very very angry, fit and fierce man – was there looking for a rumble and he got one.
    Congratulations Mr O’Keefe. I gather that you were fairly pleased with your work – and your own errors of judgement, until the BBC came along and spoilt your Mavi Marmara storyline, by just enough to show that you too are very culpable.

    Also, Ken O’Keefe seems to expect praise for not murdering the wounded Israeli soldiers in cold blood (as he intimates some of his “brothers” wanted to). Is that meant to be so very praiseworthy – especially after the Israelis had already taken control and murder charges and a trial would have been the consequence – not to mention the fact that only the Israelis had the medical facilities to treat all the wounded adequately, including O’Keefe’s ‘brothers’?

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 7:16 am

      A well argued case?

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:07 pm

      Well I’m not sure about you, but he sold it for me! 😉

    • Faiz  August 17, 2010 at 7:47 am

      You zionist killed 9 people in broad daylight and now you are trying to defend your killings??? dont you satan followers have any soul ??? everyday i see your face on in white house, on the wall street, in the media and I wonder how can this devil worshipers go on and on like this forever!!!

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:08 pm

      LOL
      Get help Faiz.

    • Ken O'Keefe  August 17, 2010 at 8:29 am

      As my article states Esther, I feel pity for you, not even the terrible plight of 800,000 plus children can help you see beyond the conditioned conclusions that your indoctrinators have spoon-fed you. 800,000 is just a number, the innocent lives destroyed a non-issue. Without knowing it you condemn innocent children and adults to horrible agony simply because they are Palestinian. The truth, you would have made a good Nazi, unquestioning, easily manipulated, regurgitating the script, scapegoating an entire people, stripping them of any rights.

      According to your apparent position Esther, if someone invaded your home and murdered your family, you would lay down and let them kill you without resistance. If that be the case I am doubly sorry for you, for you are not only blind, but a coward as well.

      Those children are my family Esther, yours as well only you do not know it, and I am not a coward, and neither were my brothers who were willing to die in the cause of justice and humanity.

      No matter how much ignorance lives in our world, the developed conscience makes very clear what we can and must do to maintain our humanity. I hope for your sake that someday you manage to wrestle yours back.

      TJP

    • Esther  August 17, 2010 at 10:28 am

      K O’K – Not only have you invoked Godwins Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) in an argument but you have also merely emoted bathetically. I win the argument on those bases alone.
      And you have carefully avoided addressing all of my points.

    • Naomi  August 17, 2010 at 1:10 pm

      Ah Esther, the voice of Israel, the rogue state, as usual pretending to be rational and civilized, and besides that the tiny vulnerable victim state covering its horrendous crimes with the holocaust. But alas, too transparant, as transparant as mad dogs closing the borders because they don’t want anybody else to see their dirty bloodshed… You’re not only transparant, you are also plain stupid for not having an opinion of your own.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:11 pm

      Ah Naomi, another fool who is so anti-Israel that you end up being anti-Palestinian in practice too.

    • Lese Majeste  August 17, 2010 at 4:41 pm

      I see. There’s one set of laws for the lying, murderous weasels of Apartheid Israel and another for those who wish merely to live.

      Tell me Queen Esther, when the IOF goes on one of their butchering sprees in Gaza or the West Bank or Lebanon, do they first get annointed from the IOF’s Head Rabbi?

      The gigs up Esther, the world is starting to see the real face of Apartheid Israel and that’s what really scares hasbara agents like yourself.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:12 pm

      When you can’t win an argument – call someone a “Hasbara agent”! That will do the trick!

    • Brent  August 19, 2010 at 4:54 am

      As opposed to your enlightened use of name calling backed with a non sequitur? Perhaps you aren’t best positioned to be lecturing people on debating tactics.

      “Ah Naomi, another fool who is so anti-Israel that you end up being anti-Palestinian in practice too.”

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 5:07 pm

      Love to you Esther for speaking the truth.

    • Mara  August 18, 2010 at 9:15 am

      What a creep you are.

    • Keith  August 17, 2010 at 6:04 pm

      Dear Esther

      If Cevdet Kiclar really did express a belief that he might, or even hoped to, die at the hands of the Israeli military whilst delivering aid to Gaza, carrying nothing more threatening to Israel than maybe a sharp knife and a stick, then that is an awful condemnation of Israel.

      Israeli forces killed 9 people that day, some of which were shot at point blank range, execution style. What you seem to be saying is that anyone who wants to embarrass Israel politically, somehow deserves to die?

      You start by claiming an “avoidable tragedy caused by errors of judgement on both sides”, but go on to suggest that the activists got what they wanted. There appears to be a contradiction in your argument.

      Arguably, putting yourself in danger is deserving of some blame if you get hurt or killed, but such an argument merely emphasises the danger that Israel represents to the world, not just to Palestinians. If the victims are somehow culpable then it is only because Israel is so murderous.

      The not murdering the wounded Israeli soldiers in cold blood, as the Israelis had killed activists, shows that whatever the said activists motivations were they were not murderous – can the same be said for the Israelis? Nine activists killed, some with several shots to the head and at close range, execution style.

    • Steven  August 17, 2010 at 6:16 pm

      The Israeli’s were not fighting off lunatics who moved in close range and attacked them with deadly force. Yes yes, I know the videos showed otherwise – but are you going to believe me or your lying eyes? After all, some of the shots were from very close range – maybe even point blank. Obviously that wasn’t self-defence. It was “execution style”! It is amazing that the innocent humanitarian aid workers even survived to get shot in close range, after all the honest testimony from Free Gaza explained that the Israeli’s were shooting at people who were just minding their own business or even praying on the deck before they even landed on the boat.

    • Mhara Costello  August 17, 2010 at 6:53 pm

      You really need to see somebody. Soon!

    • Keith  August 17, 2010 at 7:29 pm

      Steven, the video showed Israeli forces invading a Turkish aid ship bound for Palestinian territory, in international waters. The only ones using deadly force were the Israelis, no Israeli died, so it appears no deadly force was used against them.

      The videos that Israel allowed the world to see may not show the Israeli fired bullets flying into the flesh of the activists that were on an aid mission to Gaza. Though we did hear about them, we heard that the Israeli who was thrown off the top deck had already shot someone, for example.

      Such things as four shots to the head, some at point-blank range, plus numerous shots to the back etc are not evidence of self-defense, no matter how you try to spin it.

      Of course, the Israelis could release all available video and clear the whole thing up, eh?

    • John Sullivan  August 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm

      I’m not surprised Ken O’Keefe was angry, having been molested by the IDF (as anyone with eyes in their head can see from the pictures). As for ‘fit’ and ‘fierce’? Well, we know Israeli soliders prefers to target those unable to defend themselves, preferably via a gunship.
      Is there no level to which Israel can stoop that you and like minded Zionists will refrain from its defence?

    • Go11bravo  August 18, 2010 at 3:04 am

      If Gaza were the Warsaw Ghetto full of collectively punished Jews, you would sing a diffrent song. You zionists are hedious hypocrits. Murderers and terrorists too. International law mpeans nothing to you; the only human suffereing you care about is European Jews durng WWII which you did not even experience. You make me sick. More than that, you are dangerous.

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