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weather balloon soars into spaceAN EPIC AMERICAN FAILURE

By Gordon Duff Senior Editor

The submarine launch of an ICBM off the California coast on November 8 is a milestone in American history.  The immediate denials that it was an American test were a public relations disaster.

America’s government does little but lie to its people, 9/11, Osama bin Laden, we could go on forever.  In fact, nothing coming out of Washington or the press is remotely credible and it has finally been proven.  This is a private confirmation we received:

REDACTED: Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about.  I am a retired U.S. Navy Fire Control Technician, who is platform certified in missile systems XXXXXXXXX, I have also worked with the Navy’s Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems.Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA is blatantly a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform.

First I know its a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical “corkscrewing” trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to acquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidance system installed in it, what is nicknamed a “fire and forget” missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance. 

I’m fairly confident its not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears “dirty” it looks brownish. I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles. We put a lot of sweat and money into our “birds” and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.

 A submarine comes approaches America’s heavily guarded coast, through a network of defenses costing billions, and launches an ICBM capable of carrying up to 10 hydrogen bombs, launches the missile 2 minutes from Los Angeles, and we are utterly unaware?  This is the same military we trust our children’s lives to?

This is the same military that spent a 9 years hunting for Osama bin Laden, knowing he was dead, hundreds of millions of dollars, endless lives lost, all over a lie.  Keeping bin Laden’s death secret is a deception not unlike the phony Yemen bomb scare and the “crotch bomber” last Christmas, “third rate boogeyman” ploys to justify wasted money and airport passenger abuse.

This is the same military that killed 5000 Americans in Iraq over more lies, always known to be lies.  Behind the flag waving and patriotic blithering is a pack of greedy incompetents, many religious extremists, most up to their necks in right wing politics and too many willing to send us to war for their own personal reasons.  A patriot wouldn’t last 5 minutes in Americas military.

They would tear the place down around them, screaming “thieves, liars and cowards” as they did it.  This, however, this last insult, is just too much.   The America people expected a decent lie.  It is now nearly 10 days later and the military believes they can simply put their pointy little heads in the sand and the rest of us can go to hell?  Not hardly!

Laid bare is the level of post Cold War leadership in the Pentagon, accustomed to wasting money,  fabricating war news and trying to lie their way to empty victory in wars without plan or purpose, long proven unwinable.


Wayne Madsen, says the missile was fired from a Chinese submarine.  Madsen has a fairly good track record on such things.  There are 5 nations, all permanent members of the UN Security Council, that have such capabilities.  (India soon)  Madsen’s claim that China launched the missile just prior to announcing the lowering of America’s credit rating from A+ to AA, just above “junk bonds” is part of the story and certainly explains the timing.  America’s ability to play world bully with someone else’s money is at an end.

However, it is more than economics, the move by the Federal Reserve to buy up its own debt, a shady currency manipulation aimed at China, or the push to continue the Bush era “free ride” tax breaks, all make America an unreliable investment.  There are 5000 criminals in Wall Street that, if they lived in China, would have gotten a bullet in the brain.  In stead, America gave them 2 trillion dollars it borrowed from China and jailed poor old Bernie Madoff.  There are other reasons for China to mistrust America, a nation they clearly see as under the control of gangsters and extremists.

Thus the warning.


There is only one reason that the United States didn’t announce the usual “weather balloon” or “box cutters” cover stories.  It means that the nation responsible, assuming it is China, warned us that they would go public and that the American military had to live with the humiliation as a punishment.

There is no other explanation.  There also is no other “suspect” than China, who has the interests in the Pacific region, the technical capability and the complex “love-hate” relationship with the United States.  China finances Americas debt, they are our largest trading partner, certainly our primary business partner in the world today in every way and are still continually presented to the American people as an enemy.  Our homes are filled with Chinese products, without China, our local Walmarts would stand empty.

Assuming China, and without a denial from the Pentagon, we must assume China, what could the United States have done to push them this far?  Is China telling the United States that we are ‘mad dogs’ ready to be “put down?”


America’s ignorance of history will continue to assure that America remains a victim of history’s lessons.  China forgets nothing.

The Opium Wars of the 19th century were an announcement to the world that China was open for business, not trade, certainly not development but for crime and exploitation at the hands of the colonial powers of Europe, Russia and Japan.  Over the next half decade, culminating in the Boxer Rebellion, China was carved up, piece at a time, humiliated and crushed.  Nobody stood up for China, nobody but the United States.  American missionaries were in every region of China, running schools, orphanages and earning the trust and affection of the Chinese people.  It is one of those bright spots in American history.

McKinley’s Secretary of State, John Hay sided with China against the ravages of the colonial powers with his Open Door circulars.  America’s policy toward China was one of open and free trade, something impossible under the system of “treaty ports” and “extrality” being used to subjugate China into a checkerboard of “interest zones.”

China learned to hate the west but not America.  American’s were raised on the books of Pearl Buck who presented the countless generations of suffering and perseverance of the Chinese people in an idyllic manner.  These were the books I read as a child, before that, read by my mother, who grew up with them in a coal mining camp in Kentucky.  Millions of Americans knew more of China than they did their own country, felt a bond, a kinship and a partnership of spirit.

With the Japanese invasion and its endless atrocities America was divided on China.  Franklin Roosevelt and the majority of the American people sided with China.  Wall Street and the oil companies sided with Japan and kept sending oil, scrap metal and other vital resources which allowed Japan to build a military machine to control, not only China but huge portions of the Pacific as well.  This would lead to period of unpleasantness between Japan and the United States culminating with the incineration of most of Japan’s cities.

Every child in China is taught about the AVG, the American Volunteer Group, the “Flying Tigers.”  American pilots, under the leadership of General Claire Lee Chennault, provided the only resistance to Japanese bombing attacks on Chinese cities.  To the Chinese, Americans are heroes who stood by China during its darkest hour.  Ask any American who travels to China.

Describing the tumultuous period of Chinese history during the 20s and 30s is a task best left elsewhere.  Suffice it to say, the struggle between the Nationalists under Chiang kai-shek  and the communist forces under Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai are filled with twists and turns.  During the 1920s, they were forced to worked together for awhile but Chiang turned on the communists who escaped his trap in what is now called “the Long March.”  Later, when America entered the war, the Nationalists and communists joined forces under the supervision of American General Joseph Stillwell.

It is noted that the communists under Mao made far better allies than Chiang’s nationalists.  A recommended read on this is Edgar Snow’s Red Star Over China.

With the advent of the Cold War and American misconceptions about the nature of Soviet and Chinese communism, America chose the disastrous policy of supporting the hopeless Nationalist cause and, eventually, direct military confrontation with a fully communist China during the Korean war.  China could just as easily have been an American ally against the Soviets, even with its communist government, if it weren’t for the McCarthy witch hunt and the leadership failures of the Truman administration, some being deeply paralleled by President Obama today.

China had never been America’s enemy.  It took “ping pong diplomacy” and Richard Nixon to restore balance and sanity to American policy after decades of childish blithering about the menace of “Red China,” an imaginary threat, being continually harped on by neo-cons even today, whenever the public tires of the fictions about Islamic extremism.

Today, China’s friendship for America is all that is keeping the United States afloat.


China, once a country where, in famine years, baby girls were abandoned in fields to die, is now the richest country in the world.  Where millions had starved each year, Chinese tourists can now be seen anywhere in the world.  Their progress is a marvel and one of the greatest success stories in the history of mankind.  China’s government is a hybrid of privatization and communism, ruled by a “technocracy” that manages the economy and maintains an unaligned position in world affairs.

China’s policies are based on both security of its borders and people and the assurance of access to natural resources, oil and minerals in particular, without which China’s “bubble” might well burst.

America, on the other hand, seems to be moving backward, hopelessly in debt, continually embroiled in military adventures and clearly a failed democracy at home, moving inexorably toward totalitarianism and extremism.  Sound far fetched?  This is how the world sees America, not just the Islamic world but Canada, Britain, Western Europe and Russia.  The question now, does China see America as a threat, a “rabid dog?”  Are America’s adventures in the Middle East and South Asia, which have killed hundreds of thousands, maybe more, a threat to China?


China and the world have seen Iraq and Afghanistan destroyed.  They are watching Pakistan be destroyed by an American policy that can have no purpose other than to see Pakistan dismembered and crushed.  America’s covert war against Pakistan, a nation that has been an American ally since its inception, is a senseless policy.  Now, with the “sea change” toward increased Israeli influence in America’s government, the onset of the new extremist “Tea Party” wing of “Israeli firsters,” an attack on Iran, one of China’s closest allies and largest suppliers of crude oil, is expected at any time.

China has no doubts that America, as it is currently “misgoverned,” stands ready to do anything as a pretense for war even though its last two military adventures are both “unresolved,” a generous term for “failed.”

It is also clear to China and others that America’s ruling cabal, calling it a government is a certain misnomer, no longer functions in the national interest.  If the Chinese missile launch, providing it was the Chinese, was a warning of something, it was a warning based on this knowledge.

“If America can’t be trusted to take care of its own people and exercise its position as world superpower with sensibility and restraint, “there’s a new sheriff in town.”

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  1. Ethan Huang  January 13, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Dear Mr. Duff,

    My heart-felt thanks to you for this article. I’m deeply moved by your courage and insights. You’re absolutely right that China has never been America’s emeny. I’m a Chinese American and I visit China every year. I know personally all too well that Chinese people are very fond of American people, decent and honest American people, I mean. They know ordinary Americans are kind, just and brave. A friend of mine married a son of Flying Tigers and made a documentary on his father and his comerades’ heroic deeds in China during Anti-Japanese Resistance War. The statues in memory of Flying Tigers fallen heros are in China today as a living proof of Sino-US friendship during WWII.

    I do share your view on sources of the problems America is facing. Greed of Wall Street and fanaticism of Neo-Cons and their cohorts in the goverment and congress hijacked this once great country for their own gains. Before it’s too late, every decent American should do their utmost to restore the great tradition of America as we know it. The first place to begin this fight is to put those in Wall Street who caused the financial crisis in jail and restore people’s confidence in government.

    • Gordon Duff  January 13, 2011 at 10:19 am



  2. Kevin  November 28, 2010 at 1:52 am

    A feminized nation will not survive. Merry Christmas sheeple….

  3. buck  November 27, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    I see no anti anything here, only pro American…and that could be anti china anti nk anti isreal anti anything that is not United States.

    Regarding zion, join NPT and you are good.

  4. buck  November 27, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    In the mid 80z us fired a test missile right over San Diego…looked exactly like that. Ours, theirs who knows. It was a missile and gubment announced it…from eddys house ah buleeve…that would be edwards.

  5. Michael J Volz  November 22, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Gordon, I was the first to suggest here: The Chinese? Maybe. But it was more likely the israelis. It seem the majority of the commentators here are more suspicious of israel. Do you have a bunch of antisemites reading here?


    • OS  November 24, 2010 at 12:31 am

      Maybe a new opinion?

  6. Supreme Galooty  November 22, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Interesting points here with the exception of the wild political blathering.

    Regarding American manufacturing, it is alive in this country but beleagured. American manufacturing has been set upon by blackguards: Onerous governmental regulation (OSHA, EPA, et alia,) agressive labor unions, excessively burdensome taxation at both state and federal levels, fascistic medling at the federal level, debasement of our currency, and the phenomenal dumbing down of our labor force due to the gentle ministrations of the NEA and the American “educational” establishment. It’s truly amazing that America is merely staggering and not DEAD.

  7. Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Germany exports as much as China, according to a recent report I did not have the time to confirm. Gordon don’t fawn over China too much. It is a lot easier to further products already developed than to invent those industries in the first place.



  8. uncinus  November 19, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Gordon, I’m sure you have many valid points of the dangers of Chinese hegemony, however it’s now been proven that the contrail was flight UPS902. Shouldn’t you update your story based on this new information?


    • Steve Johnson  November 19, 2010 at 7:10 pm

      Well Mr ‘Uncinus’ thats a mighty interesting article there. Lets take a closer look at your “proven’ claims shall we?

      The curious thing we find firstly when looking at the website:
      Contrailscience.com is it was first registered in 2007.

      Contrails have been around since commercial aircraft began, so one would imagine there are many websites of this nature with a lot more valid science than appears on this page. Unfortunately not. Contrailscience is one of the few shelters offered to the meteorologically impaired.

      The majority of the photos on this page are not even of the so called “missile”. in fact some of the photos have obvious copy/paste photoshop manipulation:


      Most of the photos show various different trails in the sky all of which have WILDLY different weather and moisture conditions in the atmosphere at the time. Making comparisons of these pictures is not only silly. It is scientifically misleading.

      Looking at whom posted the videos in this article we find the youtube channel of Mr ‘Uncinus’ with his army of believers. (Ie: his two friends and 2 subscriptions) http://www.youtube.com/user/Epoxynous

      Given that this user has been on Youtube for 4 years since 2006 and his website has been around a year after that, one would imagine that he would have thousands and thousands of scientists and professionals in his company to clarify such psuedo-science.

      However not.

      Also on that channel we find a stunning admission:

      About Me:

      I run contrailscience.com, where I post as “Uncinus” (After cirrus uncinus, the cloud)

      So, let us clarify this last comment above for Gordon and his readers shall we? Uncinus comes here offering undeniable “proof” on a website claiming to be a scientific website that offers NEW conclusive evidence using pictures that are not even of the object, photoshopped pictures on a website that HE HIMSELF OWNS, featuring videos that HE HIMSELF made.

      Any goose online with a credit card can buy a website for 10 bucks a year and call himself a contrail scientist. That barely gives you ANY credibility whatsoever. One primary point you fail to observe or mention is the very basics of a CONDENSATION trail. A contrail is a vapour trail, not a smoke trail. Vapour.
      Thats’ one hell of a vapour trail mister. You would make your old science teacher proud.

      Sorry but your “science” is about as credible and as factual as an Alex Jones “Exclusive world-first Special”. (Apologies to Mr Sheen)

    • Steve Johnson  November 19, 2010 at 9:02 pm

      Gil Leyvas the Los Angeles Cameraman with years of experience in Los Angeles TV crews and in helicopters describes the “missile plume”:

      ” … it was unique, It was moving, it was growing in the sky. As I zoomed in I used a two times extender on the lens to get a closer look and uh… you could tell the object whatever it was, was “spiralling” up in the sky. You could see the clouds were kinda swirling, and uh, as I zoomed in and got tighter on it, it uh, it appeared that it was spinning and going in a Westerly direction….”

      Here is an eyewitness account from an experienced reporter living and working in Los Angeles. I would consider his report more factual and more credible than our mysterious friend “uncinus” here.

      Since when do experienced LA reporters call contrails “unique” ? I would think they have seen enough of them over the skies of California to know what something strange in the sky looks like.

      Since when to commercial jets “Spiral and spin” in the sky>? (Only when they are out of control or crashing. In which case it would be going DOWN not UP)

      Sorry to call you out on your lies uncinus however next time when attempting to debunk seasoned researchers, please offer more than a blogspot you wrote yourself on your own .com domain. Thanks.

    • Gordon Duff  November 19, 2010 at 9:17 pm

      I couldn’t imagine what this person was thinking to have posted what you are responding to. Is someone actually paying people to seem…lets be generous….wildly uninformed?

    • Steve Johnson  November 19, 2010 at 11:26 pm

      Quite right Gordon, the sheer scale of the posting on this page:

      …shows an immense amount of time and effort that has gone into pushing the ‘contrail’ story some mere days after the event at a time when even the Pentagon, the military and the US Govt. were either deliberately tight lipped or honestly at a loss to explain fully what the event filmed by LA cameraman Gil Leyvas actually was.

      Had our friend Uncinus here done a five minute search and found the cameraman interview firstly he might have enlightened himself and saved himself the trouble of such a long winded posting on his website. *(which by the end equates to just his opinion anyways.)

      I doubt however that “being informed” either wildly or accurately is a factor in this story when he’s pushing a linear line of “Nothin to see here folks it was a contrail..”

      NORMAL everyday people usually don’t take the time and effort to construct so many videos and post such lengthy diatribes of scientific fantasy unless they are either deluded beyond medical help or paid to do so.

      The Homeland Security infiltration Units it seems are not all that well paid to have any staff on its payroll of any reasonable intelligence. Even with the millions and billions of dollars poured into creating plausible doubt over Govt. ops like Bali, 7-7, 9-11 and Oklahoma, it’s still not enough to plug all the gaps of info. No wonder the gatekeepers are slipping badly these days.

      Some people can study at University for 20 years, gain PhD after Doctorate, degree after degree and STILL emerge completely clueless about basic subjects in the real world. Textbook professionals, while having all the credits and fancy titles after their names often have little else. I’ve seen that myself. Mine managers that have studied for 20 years with 10 levels of Occ health+safety yet on the first day on the job made a newbie mistake which cost them a whole hand.

      Real experience, wisdom and intelligence is earned slowly over time.
      Not bought, not scientifically taught, not gifted from an institution or gained from any particular books. This is a major reason why I value this website. It has all three in abundance.

      “Wildly uninformed ” is more generous than I would attest that’s for sure!

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 10:20 am

      Steve & Gordon, I hope you guys are not making a “personal attack” on the contrails “expert”???? That is a violation of the “terms of service”.

      Thanks Steve for exposing this idiot. I think the only jobs growth in America today is the hiring of idiots like this for mind control projects! One of their primary characteristics is that they actaully
      think they are clever and think they are actually doing some kind of real work for their paychecks.

      If patriots ever take back the USA government what are idiots like this going to do for a living?


    • Gordon Duff  November 21, 2010 at 11:39 am

      I try to not make personal attacks. We often have inappropriate posters here and I encourage them to go elsewhere.

    • uncinus  November 24, 2010 at 11:06 pm

      So, if Gil were to agree it was actually a contrail, and he was initially mistaken by the optical illusion of perspective, would you then change your mind?

      I try not to every inject my own opinions into things – after all, I’m just some guy. I just give you facts that you can verify yourself. Did you ever have a look at the Google Earth simulation that explains it?


  9. uncinus  November 19, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    If it’s a missile, then why does it match the radar tracked flight path of UPS902, exactly, both in time and position?


    Basically the only explanation is that it IS flight 902. Maybe there are Chinese subs roaming off the coast, but this wasn’t from one of them.

    • Gordon Duff  November 19, 2010 at 1:49 pm

      Airplanes could fly underwater and could rocket into space, in comic books at least.

    • uncinus  November 19, 2010 at 3:33 pm

      This is doing neither. It’s in level flight, in a straight line, at 39,000 feet. It’s leaving a 100 mile-long contrail (drifting to the south) that was visible on the GEOS-11 satellite. Viewed from Long Beach, 150 miles away, the contrail vanishes over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and it look vertical because it’s lined up.

      DId you see how it matches the radar track of flight 902 exactly?

    • Gordon Duff  November 19, 2010 at 3:34 pm

      Was the planes tail on fire?

    • uncinus  November 19, 2010 at 3:41 pm

      It was lit by the setting sun. Google for “sunset contrail” and you will see many more identical examples of jet contrails lit the same.


      Also see “vertical contrail” for jet contrails that look vertical, but are not:


    • OS  November 22, 2010 at 1:52 am


      I sent you some pictures taken from my backyard, contrails of rocket launched from FL. Maybe you could send them to uncimus, so he understands the difference between airplanes and rockets.

    • Steve Johnson  November 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm

      the contrail vanishes over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and it look vertical because it’s lined up.

      Its 35 miles away dude. NOT 350 miles.

      I’m not sure if you finished elementary science, but looking at the coast the curvature of the earth is not 35 miles when you sit at 8 thousand feet up in a helicopter.

      WoW. Do you get a lot of readers who find your info credibile? (sic)

    • OS  November 21, 2010 at 7:41 pm

      I guess the next time if one impacts US soil, then we can figure out what it was from debris field and impact crater?

      Or something like this:

      “Was that a cruise missile?”, “No, just a fireworks display gone bad”. Give me a break!

  10. Steve Johnson  November 19, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Very interesting. I have had a good solid week to do a bit of digging and I am more than convinced the ‘China did it” story is a red-herring. Despite all the brilliant analysis and research offered especially in this article and as plausible and logical as it would be at this point I cannot still help to wonder. My 10 cent each-way wager is leaning towards:

    1) Home-grown exercise A top Brass official showing off to impress his company in a bunker in Oregon somewhere saying: “Here, look what I can do. There’s a big shiny red button watch this..”

    2) A Rogue PATRIOT faction within the military sending a strong message to the Pollichickens on the hill about who REALLY controls the sticks and stones in the sandpit.

    Besides these alternatives however the most likely candidate is the one with a past history of causing international incidents with their relatively new German made submarines they were gifted with recently.

    Remember back to the Sth Korean fishing boat that got sunk by a German made torpedo? Or maybe the Japanese fishing boat that “accidently” got sunk when the Dolphin class sub was shadowing in her wake? (*Something done to mask the radar signal) Both of these incidents were in the Pacific region and both were done by a country whose armed forces relish the idea of nations blaming each other and nobody knowing for certain.

    The bumbling attempts at a cover story that took a few days to formulate indicates this was not an event that was pre-conceived rather one that had to be dismissed and denied the same way chemtrails are discounted, albeit in a rushed amateur fashion.

    What illegal nation state currently controls the puppets in Washington?

    What illegal nation state could possibly fire a missle off USA coast and NOT be suspected for anything?

    The silence about this possibility on the intwerwebs gives me an indication that I am on possibly the right track. Nobody yet has asked if indeed this was the work of a Dolphin Class sub capable of housing up to 8 ICBM’s on board. A question I think that NEEDS to be at least tabled as a possible.

    Wayne Madsens brilliant research about a Chinese sub is definitely a possible and his intel no doubt would be much more validated than my paranoid diggings; however knowing the nature of beast so well it nags and gnaws at my sensibilities when I consider the credo: By deception they wage war.

    Here’s my video summary that raises more questions rather than answer them:


    • sharkey  November 19, 2010 at 9:23 am

      I totally agree with you Steve. Gordon gives a lot of credit to Madsen. I like Madsen but he is disinfo protecting Israel. There are so many out there that it is hard to keep track. Keep doing your research you are on to something. Unfortunately, there are going to be a lot of these events in the near future. They are on the attack, offensive and it could get reckless. What do you think they are distracting us from? Does anyone know where the missile engaged?

    • Gordon Duff  November 19, 2010 at 1:52 pm

      Running around and accusing each other of being “zionist shills” is what real zionist shills do.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 10:37 am

      Gordon , what you say isn’t always true. I promptly accused Larry Dickerstein of being a zionist shill and that is exactly what he is as time on this site has proven.

      Anyone who has read my comments on this site knows I am NOT a zionist shill. I admire Steves efforts and patience is proving the contrails expert is either a zionist shill or pathetic government paid disinfo agent.

      My inclination is to just flush a guy like that. Making arguments like “everyone knows”, “the government, Wolf Blitzer, Barabara Walters, and Larry King say so” or you’re wearing a “tin foil hat” exposes these guys as soon as they open their mouth.

      That’s why I went ahead shooting a Larry Dickerstein without much argument. I’m sure Larry’s check is still coming in and he is feeling no pain as the result of my “personal attacks”!!


    • sharkey  November 22, 2010 at 9:21 am

      Gordon, Next time I will say, “in my opinion”. I love to listen to the guy and there are many I read but I know what they are selling and I chose not to buy.

    • sharkey  November 22, 2010 at 9:28 am

      Also, Gordon, you know that I am not a Zionist shill, so why would you write that?

    • Steve Johnson  November 19, 2010 at 6:36 pm

      Let me clarify that I would never in any way dismiss ANY of Wayne Madsens’ research so easily.

      The info presented in my comment is completely just my opinion based on experience and the evidence on the subject matter. My intention was NEVER to claim anyones’ writing or research is mis-info, disinfo, or otherwise.

      I have spoken to Wayne about many subjects and found him to be extremely credible and a thorn in the side of the State Dept. Nor would I ever so casually write off so easily the validated research on this very website. These guys are way more experienced and well researched than I am that’s for sure.

      What we have here on Veterans Today are writers and researchers with experience in the field. Experienced also in the past years of Government false flag policies and implementations. Experienced in in such areas having personally witnessed such questionable and objectionable policies issued by the powers that be. A resource of this nature is an extremely valuable asset and a vital educational tool and as such, I would never bring into doubt anything written by Gordon Duff nor Wayne Madsen.

      My comments are my own personal nagging thoughts that I humbly wished to share, as these guys experience in these such matters combined make the NSA look like amateur stamp collectors.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 10:27 am

      Steve , don’t be so humble. You may be one of the most intelligent posters here or anywhere.


    • Nicole  November 20, 2010 at 8:11 am

      Gordon already wrote it in his article on America’s wingnut press, 3 october

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 10:54 am

      Correction: “Iran to retaliate against Iran after an Israeli” should be: “Iran to retaliate against the ‘USA’ after an Israeli”

      Sorry, Mike

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:08 am

      Steve, what a clear thinker you are:

      “What illegal nation state could possibly fire a missle off USA coast and NOT be suspected for anything?”

      I wonder why Gordon’s Isra-hell-i “intelligence contacts didn’t pu that alternate explanation in front of him??

      I suggested that the day this article was posted— Are my comments still there??? Need to check. Lot of technical “monkey business going on on this site”

      Attn Larry Dickerstein : footnote: the Israeli grandmother of Yoav Shamir, the Israeli producer of the movie DEFAMATION, said in the movie “the jews know the ‘monkey business’ and that is how they have money without doing work in America”.

      I’m not an “antisemite” when I quote a jew making negative statements about jews, am I?????


  11. Louise  November 18, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    I do not believe that this was done by China.

    What is important is that the Israel/USA have been pointing the finger at Iran as being the ‘monster’ whilst China has been quietly sitting back, not getting involved in wars, building its savings and increasing its GDP to the point that it will probably have a larger GDP that the USA by around 2015. That will make it the most powerful country in the world and the USA will be in second place. The years after 2015 will only see the gap between China’s lead and the USA’s second place get larger. The US deficit is not going to help it demish China’s lead in any way.

    The USA has spent the last decade wasting its time and money on wars when it should have invested in its economy to make real growth.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:20 am

      Exactly Correct, Louise. Why waste their energy when the jews, (even “the frankist sabatteans & the Los Angeles Gifilte Fish Eaters* ), are doing such a good job destroying America?????


      * I like Gifilte Fish! (as well as German Goetta and Scrapple).

  12. rash  November 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm


    You have been writing some good articles. I don’t believe the missiles were Chinese. Anyone who knows the Chinese revolution knows that Rockefellers, Rothschilds funded both Chiang and Mao. The bankers wanted Mao to win because he was easier to manipulate and weaker. Whampoa Academy the military school started during Sun Yet Sen’s time trained both nationalist and communist, through the Soviets. The Rothschilds advised the Chinese bankers during this period. Everthing has to do with loans and markets for opium, oil..The Soviets in turn were funded by the British and US bankers.Even today the Rothschilds/Goldman Sachs are advising the Chinese government monetary schemes. Timothy Geithner’s dad worked in China. The Wall Street clique have deep ties in China. The Chinese are not gonna put any bullet on their bankers. Rothschild man sits in the board of the biggest company in the world, PetroChina. There are different power factions in China and they are pandering to the status of superpower in terms of profit to be made. Geithner’s father worked in China. The missile could be either a signal to China or another false flag blaming China. Anyhow the Chinese wouldn’t do anything without consulting their bankers in Wall Street.There is game on.Definately to do with money and loans.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:26 am

      Rash, excellent comment but you forgot to mention jews control all “American” trade with China!!!!

      You forgot to mention that you have to be jewish to be a “U.S.” Trade Rep. That is why Rob Portman only lasted a few months in that position. He was from the wrong, race, religion or TRIBE—what have you.


  13. Greg Scott  November 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I have evidence to the contrary and I don’t understand why we keep flaming the false flag fire. I checked the NGIA and there WAS a broadcast warning for the Catalina area that day by the National Geospatial Information Agency

    this was posted in the show notes on No Agenda on 11/11 then a week later the link was broken. You can see the warning was for 11/8-11/15 and if you query the database it has been taken out.

    The warning is now gone but I have it saved, here it is…

    NAVAREA XII 453/2010 (18)
    34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
    33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
    35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
    34-04N 119-04W.
    PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
    4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 444/10.

    ( =81520Z NOV 2010 )

    • Texas Vet  November 18, 2010 at 9:26 pm

      Thank you Greg.

    • hostile177  November 19, 2010 at 4:50 pm

      So is this just an example of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing? How come the military disavowed any knowledge of a missile launch? Also, the FAA was not advised of any testing. Something does not add up.

  14. NadePaulKuciGravMcKi  November 18, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    The controlled media was caught flatfooted,
    it took them two days to start the disinfo.

    That tidbit should tell us a lot.

  15. Pantagruella  November 18, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    I have come to the conclusion recently that the only place to go for hard news is Veteran organisation websites. I can assure you that the stories you cover never come to the surface in the UK where the silence about what is going on in the world is defeaning. I put it down to the fact that Veterans stand together and do not have the same fear as the ordinary citizen.

    • Gordon Duff  November 18, 2010 at 2:43 pm

      Britain is a police state, not that I don’t enjoy it there. However, watching the news in britain or trying to get through the heavily filtered internet is a waste of time.
      Brits are the most uninformed people in the world. g

    • Penumbra  November 18, 2010 at 8:46 pm

      I always enjoyed it too G, just stay away from the Marmite, that stuff’ll kill ya faster than MI5.

  16. jonathan mark  November 18, 2010 at 11:42 am

    I appreciate this intelligence report by those who can recognize a missile when they see one. Of course there is speculation.. and we may never know the truth.. or maybe we will. However, again at this site, the anti-Israel, anti-Jewish comments blur the prospects in finding the real culprits by a few peoples’ internal prejudices. Like all scapegoat techniques, it comes from generalizations and some truth, but distorted in an emotional connection that distorts facts from reality. It takes a good article with intelligent speculation and theories, and turns it into a mindless excuse to blame the usual ones at this site in the commentary, but the article on its own is based on specific evidence and history. Thank you Gordon for this report.

    • Drew Barring  November 18, 2010 at 1:12 pm

      “…but distorted in an emotional connection that distorts facts from reality.”

      Not sure what you’re trying to say with this remark, Jonathan. Overall, however, you assume an attitude of moral indignation that is inappropriate if not downright disingenuous.

      To be sure, with all the disinformation out there, it is hard for those actively engaged in uncovering the truth, let alone the disinterested masses, to ferret out what is real and what is not.

      Suffice it to say, we can begin by acknowledging what we do know: among other things…Israeli atrocities against an indigenous people, Jewish(Khazarian) hypocrisy, and Zionist overrepresentation in social, political, and financial spheres. With regard to the latter, would you have us believe this is born of some inherent superiority or, as is more likely the case, related to control of corrupt “debt as money” systems (by the way, a return to the gold standard would be a mistake as gold is already controlled by the same people who control the money supply).

      Considering who holds the purse strings and that, regrettably, it is money and not Love that rules the world, people have a right to view our unfolding history in this context. Do not pretend to know better.

    • Penumbra  November 18, 2010 at 1:33 pm

      “a return to the gold standard would be a mistake as gold is already controlled by the same people who control the money supply”

      This a falsehood. If the Gold Standard were re-implemented and international settlements demanded by Washington in Gold, the control you speak of would be lost to those “international bankers”.

      They currently control the gold precisely because they have exchanged it for worthless fiat currency. Eliminate that fraudulent monetary system and history has shown that gold stocks can be relatively quickly restored to a nation’s possession and control.

      There is no other historically proven and economically sound system than hard metal. Simple as.

    • Michael J Volz  November 19, 2010 at 10:23 am

      Restrict jews from owning gold and require them to document the source of the gold they are in possession of.


    • Johnathon Dough  November 19, 2010 at 12:05 pm

      Doesn’t anyone here remember the USS Liberty?

    • Gordon Duff  November 19, 2010 at 1:51 pm

      Phil Tourney says he does but we don’t believe him.

    • Michael J Volz  November 22, 2010 at 9:03 am

      Jonathon, Does anyone remember the Liberty attack? That is a typical jew shill remark because israel always hope no one remembers their atrocities.

      That is why so much of the Kennedy assassination evidence was sealed for fifty years (or something like that). The evidence would be unsealed when nobody could remember or care much or do additional investigation of the evidence.

      It’s an old jewish trick.


    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:32 am

      I know Jonathon the jews couldn’t be behind it , it is the antisemites who are the problem.

      Why does Norman Finkelstein say “the animus towards the jews IS NOT irrational”????????????

      Wake up partner, assuming you are truly a fair minded truth seeker as your posting implies.


  17. john  November 18, 2010 at 9:12 am

    It’s no secret anymore, Amerca is ruled by Israeli terrorists.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:34 am

      You are merely speculating! Where is your proof?? Larry Dickerstein wants to see it!


    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:36 am

      You are driving decent people off this site with your “antisemitism”!!!!!


    • Gordon Duff  November 21, 2010 at 11:37 am


  18. LettuceThink  November 18, 2010 at 8:32 am

    A lot of interesting theories here, but I still ask myself “why the media blackout?” (and we know ‘who’ controls the media).

    If this was to frighten or scare the public, it would have been all over corporate news.

    • Karla  November 20, 2010 at 1:01 am

      In Hawai’i the media is run out of Alabama by Raycomm Media.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 11:42 am

      The purpose of the missile launch is to frighten American politicians, military and “Intelligence” folks who are not convinced that israel can do whatever it wants, including nuking the USA!

      When Israel nukes Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati, Odigo Messenger service will make sure no Israelis are in that city. This will convince American Reform Jews who runs the TRIBE.


  19. Agent Smith  November 18, 2010 at 7:48 am

    An excellent summary GD, thank you, very helpful in piecing together the complex relationship between America and China. 9/11 proved already the US government does not stand ready to protect their own people… no jets scrambled, no nothing… no defense whatever was in put into action while planes were being hijacked and re-routed and drama was being played out in the skies above N York and Washington. I hope the mad dogs on Wall street realise the significance of this warning shot and stay the hell away from Iran and anywhere else for that matter. The world does not want US military going anywhere, ever again. American citizens want their military to start protecting them – their own people, rather than attacking innocents half way across the globe.

    • OS  November 20, 2010 at 3:57 pm

      It was likely China, and below is reason? “People of Two Faces”.

      For those of you not familiar with China, it’s a country of “thefts”, simply stated. Travel to this country and your introduced to kind and pleasant people, but leave your computer and properties unattended for 20 or 30 minutes and everything is stolen. USB memory devices carried around the neck, and even hidden in watches for the quick steal. China has been stealing research and development, and products from companies around the world, and this activity is promoted by the government. US products can be purchased in this country for nearly nothing, software, movies, anything, they purchase copies then reproduce through smaller companies and sale as their product. You can purchase any software made in US for less then $2.00 in China; they reproduce and have large market for the products. They steal countless products from the US, in the mid 2000’s a US delegation traveled to China to attempt to stop this activity, and nothing more then show was staged. They take the copied products from the shelves in the morning, and place out again after 4:00 – 5:00 pm. It’s much worse then above, when companies work in this country all Chinese employees’ act as spies for the government, their engineers will steal designs, electrical and electronic drawings, mechanical, and software for their government counter-parts. The government promotes this activity; I had access to see how this works, SO THIS IS WARNING TO ALL.

      When foreign company builds plant in China, they hire Chinese Managers, Engineers, employees, and government promotes his activity; however their real job is stealing everything from the company. The government assigns a team of scientist and engineers to work with Chinese Managers and foreigners working at the facility, for the purpose of stealing all technology and duplicating the facility and products. As described by several executive business managers, the government team duplicates the facility and products by having insiders steal all research and development and pass to government assigned teams, then build facility some distance from the original. Once the newly copied facility is complete, the engineers and managers from the foreign facility must depart and start working at the Chinese copied facility. In time all the employee’s are slowly transferred along with all the technical information to reproduce the products. I worked in this country for some time and observed these practices, simply “theft”, while many foreign companies are damaged beyond return. All the millions spent on research and development is simply stolen. It’s a country wide practice. This is their “real relationship” with the United States.

      China is efficient at one thing “Theft”, that’s what they do best. They will copy brand names and sale same products copied from foreign manufacturer and developer. They have no problem performing these activities. The government promotes using the internet to steal research and development as well, why spend time and money, when you can steal everything around the world. Anyone traveling to China with computer or other electronic information will likely have everything stolen from them after connecting onto network. Sorry for the bad news, but it’s a fact, and why US Officials and business representatives are angered by this countries activities. They have stolen billions of dollars in research and develop, and products from the US and other countries around the world. When working in China, I terminated a Senior Chinese Engineer who was stealing European company’s product design information and passing to government team as described above. Their wealth was gained through “Theft”, it’s a fact.

      This is how China is damaging the United States Economy, in several ways, the value of RMB and literally stealing our research and development, and products to create bootleg companies to distribute these products. Also produces the products using slave driven manufacturing bases, and there are millions of slave workers in this country.

      The original subject after some education, China has been attempting to destroy the US economy for number of years. Through the above methods, and that’s how they have made their fortune! The communist party hates the United States; this is a simple fact, while working in this country was around party members who constantly remained me how much they hate the United States. They want Taiwan with a passion, and have been building weapon systems to invade; they also want the US out of South Korea. I was near military base in North West China, and song was being sung from tower. The song was “Kill all the Americans and push them out of South Korea.

      So stated above is the real China, for anyone who does not know? I worked in this country for a number of years and learned much about the way the communist party operates and manipulates other countries. And it’s quite destructive, people with “two faces”. Why do you think China is building a massive military, for Taiwan? South Korean? Expecting a collision with Japan? They have to determine how to keep the United States out of the way, and will test methods. How many times has North Korea fired missiles toward Japan, for testing as stated? Nothing is done in North Korea without an approval from Beijing, the Chinese Communist Party controls North Korea.

      This is the real US and China Relationship…

    • OS  November 20, 2010 at 4:25 pm

      And strategic error, in mid 2000’s CCTV announced and was complaining in Beijing why Russians only had about 2000 companies in China, whereas the United States had over 22,000 companies in China. The Russians were already aware of the above stated practices.

      So the business relationship between the US and China, well there was never a business relationship, just one country manipulating another to steal research and development, and products of nearly every type. A manufacturing machine was built and now massive military to move toward their primary objectives.

      Taiwan and South Korea are strategic goals for China, and the well informed know the reason why?

      And that’s fact…

    • OS  November 21, 2010 at 3:35 pm

      Sorry for the lengthy comment, but most Americans are not aware. I am also aware the critical components and technology passed to this country as well, and have made many attempts to stop this activity.

    • Michael J Volz  November 21, 2010 at 8:03 pm

      I will never complain any lengthy article so packed with important correct info, which most people are not looking at.

      The biggest problem the USA faces is the total gutting of manufacturing in the USA. All the products made and sometimes improved by Japan and China were invented and still could be made in the USA. We don’t have to worry about “Walmart sheleves being empty”.

      Henry Ford explained in “My Life and My Work”, 1922 that while foreign trade is nice, we don’t need it in America, since unlimited development opportunities exist right here in the USA.

      It is a false bill of goods sold to Americans by the quick buck artists to involve us in foreign adventures like the ones we are involved in now for a foreign government.

      The lions share of the benefit of cheap Asian labor (Japan, China, Korea, Indonesia, India, etc) goes straight into the pockets of international quick buck artists, not the Americans people.

      The benefits of Henry Fords manufacturing techniques and expertise in economics went into the pockets of average Americans and is the wealth siphoned off by the quick buck artists in recent years.

      Manufacturing is the greatest wealth creating activity, PERIOD.
      only fools and crooks figure that for each job sent overseas , ten would magically appear in the USA. Paid “experts” told us that would happen on jew owned mass media TV!!!!!!


    • OS  November 21, 2010 at 3:44 pm

      Did you watch the small parade in Beijing? How about link (3)?

    • SAS  November 21, 2010 at 4:15 pm

      “…why spend time and money, when you can steal everything around the world.”

      They are not even capable of creating and developing much of the stuff that they steal from us, that is why they do not spend time and “money” to create what they steal. If we suddenly discovered the Chinese today on a previously unknown continent, they would be extremely primitive.

    • OS  November 21, 2010 at 5:03 pm

      You obviously didn’t watch the small parade links (start with number (3)), have you worked in the country? By what experience are you suggesting they can’t duplicate or create what they stole? (502) Government Weapons Company created laser guided missiles for use against Taiwan, this technology was obviously duplicated?

      It cost millions even billions of dollars for the research and development of technologies, that’s why they steal. Try watching the parade, and maybe you’ll have better observations. Once they re-engineer they can mass produce very easily, this country is massive industrial machine. Your remarks are not correct, maybe 30 or 40 years ago, but not today.

    • SAS  November 21, 2010 at 5:42 pm

      “By what experience are you suggesting they can’t duplicate or create what they stole.”

      They can duplicate what they stole, but this does not mean they had the genius creativity to actually create it from scratch. The West has advanced them tremendously.

      “It cost millions even billions of dollars for the research and development of technologies, that’s why they steal.”

      All that it takes is a powerful mind, and money cannot create intelligence or creativity.

      “…maybe 30 or 40 years ago, but not today.”

      My comment: If we suddenly discovered the Chinese TODAY on a previously unknown continent, they would be extremely primitive.

      If they were isolated from the world and we suddenly found them TODAY, they would not be nearly as advanced as the Europeans.

    • OS  November 21, 2010 at 7:02 pm

      SAS, I agree.

    • OS  November 22, 2010 at 3:22 pm

      Who created the US deficit with China, “China”.

      The bootleg market of stolen products in China is multi-billion dollar industry, without this industry China would have economic problems and why their government supports this activity. Two basic examples are the software and movie industries, and there are many others. The US movie industry will employ tens and thousands of people from writers to producers, actors and directors, to designers, technicians, amongst other. The profits from this industry can employ more people and create more opportunities, however in China you can purchase any US movie for about $1.00 or less, they are copied and distributed as China products through their bootleg companies all across the country and into Asia. Imagine the profits you can make by copying movies and selling them by the millions, without any interference from the government. Hundreds of millions are made in profits in China from their bootleg US copied movies, “Trade Deficit”. Another example is the software industry, you can buy any US software in China for less then $2.00 dollars, because these products are purchased and copies are reproduced as well. It is “Organized Crime” promoted by the government, Chinese people go to their software stores and purchase the bootleg copied products that were modified with their key codes (Chinese Engineers and Developers are involved for key code cracking). This is fact, why would China want any of these profits returned to US, when they can steal the products and make the profits for themselves. In the US, billions of dollars are spent for software development and one of our biggest industries, however if another country is stealing the products and copying for bootleg profits, this damages our industry and jobs with these companies.

      The bootleg market of US products in China is by design, and government is promoting this activity. PEOPLE THIS IS INTERNATIONAL CRIME. A large part of the Chinese Market is bootleg products, without this crime they would not profit as much.

      If China did not steal and bootleg so many US products for their profits, there would be “No Trade Deficit with this country”.

      What kind of relationship do you have with a country that steals your products, sales bootleg copies and makes billions through these crimes?

      And the US borrowed money from China, that’s complete BS, they lent money they stole from our companies. They are well aware…

      So why is China becoming so aggressive? Because people around the world are now getting smart to their theft and real way they do business. And this will have drastic affects on their economy, “You can’t operate a countries economy based on stolen merchandise and expect this to continue into the future”.

    • Ethan Huang  January 13, 2011 at 1:56 am


      The biggest theft is Wall Street and your lies. Your vile and totally asine remarks clearly show that you’re the cohort of Wall Street thiefs and liars. Not worth my time. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will instantly see your lunacy.

    • Hugh kelly  November 20, 2010 at 5:19 pm

      A great commentary except for the “tea party” being called extremists?Their is no justification that tag at all.

    • Michael J Volz  November 22, 2010 at 9:10 am

      Well stated!


  20. Tom  November 18, 2010 at 6:56 am

    I doubt about the Chinese sub hypothesis, since the Chinese would have risked to start an ugly escalation if their sub were found. Moreover, they could have sent a much more compelling message just dumping some of their US Treasuries.

    So, here is a different hypothesis: it could have been a “fizzled” false flag like the AWOL nukes from Minot base of some years ago? A US missile that should have been directed toward some US city and deviated at the last moment by some loyal officer?

    • fixtheticket  November 18, 2010 at 7:39 am

      that is possible,
      we will never know how many have thwarted
      all kinds of events on our behalf

    • Speed of Dark  November 18, 2010 at 11:53 am

      It is interesting to me that CVN USS Ronald Reagan’s battle group was operating in the proximity of the launch during that week. Could an acquired, or purpose built foreign signature ICBM be launched from an American boomer? As a demonstration to China of how low our false flags can go? And how asleep US citizens are?


  21. john  November 18, 2010 at 6:47 am

    Excellent comment “fix”. That’s why parents home school their kids.

    • fixtheticket  November 18, 2010 at 6:01 pm

      the above was an excerpt…
      I have a lot of text files,here..there.and there !

      not claiming or implying “authorship”

  22. fixtheticket  November 18, 2010 at 5:39 am

    Just eight months ago, a neighbor of mine gave birth to one of the most astonishingly beautiful babies I have ever seen in my life. Angelika is a giggling, blue-eyed little cherub whose irrepressible curiosity and propensity for breaking things to see what’s inside of them sometimes drives her mother to distraction. She laughs easily, and is delighted by almost everything and everyone she sees.

    Angelika is a child of God. She is German, healthy, intuitive, highly intelligent and a naturally loving and trusting little human being with an enormous potential for creativity. She represents the future of a vibrantly free humanity and is a potential exemplar of true womanhood. She embodies everything the Zionist Jewish controllers hate and wish to destroy.

    Within just a few years, this child will be exposed to the monstrous evil of a blood libel that will make her forever loathe her own parentage and nation. Her mind will be poisoned by teachers who will tell her wicked lies about things that simply did not happen and she will be told that Christianity is at the heart of “anti-Semitism”.

    In line with the Zionist Jew Morgenthau’s hatred of the German people and his belief that all Germans are genetically evil and should be castrated at birth [2], she will be taught that she has blood on her hands simply for being born into one of the most remarkable races of human beings that ever walked the face of this planet.

    • Texas Grunt  November 18, 2010 at 9:52 pm

      Dyammm, fix. I’m not saying you’re wrong on some of your facts, but you went on so long I have to ask, “Whatcha been drinkin’? Homemade hooch?”

    • fixtheticket  November 19, 2010 at 1:20 am

      good point,
      it was a little too long,
      I cut off a segment from something else,
      looks like I did a double paste.
      sorry,I had read something new(additional)about how the history books were
      ……it was off topic ….one of those a.d.d. moments or

    • fixtheticket  November 19, 2010 at 1:24 am

      way too long,
      won’t do that again!

  23. fixtheticket  November 18, 2010 at 4:24 am

    In Tennessee, pastors were told to declare allegiance to the Union. They refused and were jailed. Episcopal rector George Harris was arrested and told to pray for Lincoln or be hanged. Happily, he was able to escape. The Yankees used his church to store munitions. The Communists would later do something similar to churches in Russia. The Yankees closed every church in Murfreesboro and all the schools in Nashville. In that city, there was an election for circuit court judge and the secessionist won. He was arrested, charged with treason and sent to the penitentiary.

    501 c 3

  24. fixtheticket  November 18, 2010 at 4:22 am

    Alan Stang Alan Stang Alan Stang Alan Stang
    by Alan Stang

  25. fixtheticket  November 18, 2010 at 4:13 am

    Remember the strutting Yankee generals who confused themselves with God.

    The Founding Fathers did not create slavery; they inherited 150 years of it. Many Southern slaves were sold to the South by Yankee slavers who no longer had need of them. Slavery was an intolerable stain on the American record.

    Remember the strutting Yankee generals who confused themselves with God.

    Indeed, remember the terrorist assertion that insane mass murderer Sherman actually outranks God. Consider the messianic fury we have mentioned. Something more than mere greed was at work.

    It is literally a satanic perversion of Christianity,
    a perversion pretending to be Christianity,
    which erupts time and again across the centuries.
    From time to time people who are smarter than God appear,
    usurpers who have the temporal power to do the job right. If you disagree with them they burn you at the stake.
    If you try to get out from under them,
    they scream you are a rebel.
    You have betrayed them.
    They will rob and rape you, they will kill you; they will invade and burn your country to the ground, to persuade you to see it their way. Either do that or die. They are disciples of Satan.

    Alan Stang Alan Stang Alan Stang Alan Stang
    by Alan Stang

    Our source for the present discussion is War Crimes Against Southern Civilians, by Walter Brian Cisco (Pelican, Gretna, Louisiana, 2007). It is important to establish that the spiritual and political inheritors of the war criminals who committed those crimes do not deny them. They ignore them, hoping that if they say nothing those crimes will fade away; and so far they have been successful. Remember, the winner of a war writes the history of the war. They will respond only if their crimes become sufficiently known.

    It is important to correct the record. The crimes and the criminals need to be named. More, they must be explained, because the motives that inspired them continue to motivate the men who run our country, regardless of political party. As we shall see, little has changed. Only if we drag this continuing horror into the light do we have a chance of exorcising it.

    Let’s begin with a revealing contrast. In 1863, Confederate General Robert E. Lee invaded the North. The South by then had suffered two years of Yankee crimes and some Southerners thought the invasion was their chance to retaliate. Not so, said Lee. In a proclamation he reminded his men that “the duties exacted of us by civilization and Christianity are not less obligatory in the country of the enemy than in our own.”

    “The commanding general considers that no greater disgrace could befall the army, and through it our whole people, than the perpetration of the barbarous outrages upon the unarmed and defenseless and the wanton destruction of private property, that have marked the course of the enemy in our own country. . . .”

    Remember that at the beginning of the war Lincoln offered Lee command of the Union army. Imagine the humane result had he been able to accept. We make war “only upon armed men,” said Lee. Taking vengeance for the “atrocities of our enemies” would lower ourselves and offend “against Him to whom vengeance belongeth.” What atrocities is he talking about? Our source is divided into the states of the Confederacy. Let’s begin with Missouri.

    Union Brigadier General James H. Lane: “We believe in a war of extermination. I want to see every foot of ground . . . burned over – everything laid waste. . . .” Whoa! A war of extermination? Why? Wasn’t the restoration of the Union the goal of all this? Wouldn’t that have been accomplished simply by occupying the offending states? As we shall see, some other motive was at work.

    But so it was. Civilians, male and female – yes, female – died by the hundreds in diseased Yankee jails. The Yankees stole everything they could lift. Lane himself stole a carriage, a piano and women’s dresses. My favorite was his chaplain, Rev. Hugh D. Fisher, who stole the altar furnishings from an Osceola church. He needed them for his own church in Kansas. “Brethren, let us worship.”

    A long caravan of stolen property wound its way to Kansas. Arson, theft and murder became commonplace. No citizen was allowed to own guns or ammunition. At war’s end, vast sections of Missouri were uninhabited. Lane’s policy of extermination had been imposed.

    General William T. Sherman wrote that “rebel” farms should be given to immigrants from the North. “Enemies must be killed or transported to some other country.” Deported Missourians left the state in miles-long wagon trains laden with household effects. Foraging Yankees robbed and killed them on the way. One report speaks of a road “crowded with women and children, women walking with their babies in their arms, packs on their backs and four or five children following after them . . . .”

    There is a word for all this. At the time, the word had not yet been coined. It is “genocide.” Indeed, that is what the UN calls forcibly removing one population and replacing it with another. Genocide was settled Yankee policy imposed from the top.

    In Tennessee, pastors were told to declare allegiance to the Union. They refused and were jailed. Episcopal rector George Harris was arrested and told to pray for Lincoln or be hanged. Happily, he was able to escape. The Yankees used his church to store munitions. The Communists would later do something similar to churches in Russia. The Yankees closed every church in Murfreesboro and all the schools in Nashville. In that city, there was an election for circuit court judge and the secessionist won. He was arrested, charged with treason and sent to the penitentiary.

    How did the Yankees treat blacks? In Athens, Alabama, they raped a slave girl at the home of Charlotte Hine. At the John Malone plantation, they went to the slave quarters and raped again. A black woman charged a soldier with the crime; his commanding officer refused to prosecute: “I would not arrest one of my men on Negro testimony.” Doesn’t your Communist school textbook say the Yankees had come to free the slaves, not to rape them?

    In New Orleans, Cpl. William M. Chinock raped Mary Ellen De Riley, a black woman. He was fined $40 and reduced to private. Captain S. Tyler Reed fired his pistol at William Bird, a black boy, and put out an eye. His sentence? A reprimand. Major General Benjamin Butler, known as the “Beast,” made crooked millions in New Orleans, committed outrageous atrocities and was the only Union commander the Confederacy called a criminal. After the war the people of Massachusetts elected him Governor, proving that, with some noble exceptions, they were already as stupid as they are now.

    In occupied Virginia, Union Brig. Gen. Robert H. Milroy wrote his wife that “my will is absolute law – none dare contradict or dispute my slightest word or wish . . . both male and female tremble when they come into my presence . . . I feel a strong disposition to play the tyrant among these traitors.” Wow! They actually trembled, Bob? So then, you must have been something like a god, correct?

    In South Carolina, “. . . The free blacks who made up Charleston’s force of firefighters struggled heroically to protect their city and its people.” Free blacks? In South Carolina? Trusted to run the fire department? Hmm!

    In Louisiana, Union brigadier general William Dwight wrote: “The scenes of disorder and pillage . . . were disgraceful to civilized war. Houses were entered and all in them destroyed …. Ladies were frightened into delivering their jewels and valuables into the hands of the soldiers by threats of violence toward their husbands. Negro women were ravished in the presence of white women and children.” The Union, forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah.”

    “The home, barn, and store of Samuel Schmulen were looted and burned. . . . Benjamin George, a fifty-year-old slave who lived nearby . . . tried to help his neighbor at least try to save the store. The effort was in vain. Then a group of drunken soldiers surrounded George, demanding to know why he, a black man, would try to assist this white Southerner. They demanded his money, and when George pleaded that he did not have any, one of the soldiers shot him in the right thigh. He survived the wound but was crippled for life.”

    The forced evacuation of Atlanta saw “aged grandmothers upon the verge of the grave, tender girls in the first bloom of young womanhood, and little babes not three days old in the arms of sick mothers, thrown out upon the cold charity of the world.” A Yankee reported, “The African Methodist Episcopal Church, built by the colored people with their hard earnings, was also demolished by our soldiers.”

    Union war criminals even introduced a criminal scheme later perfected by Chicago gangsters. One of them told a lady he had orders to burn her house, but, “I’ll insure it for fifty dollars.” Selling “insurance” against their own depredations was one extortion technique they used. “You buy my insurance or I breaka you head. Capish?”

    In Columbia, South Carolina, Union terrorists stole everything. “Purses, watches, hats, boots, overcoats . . . were taken from victims, white or black.” A witness says: “Commissioned officers, of a rank so high as that of a colonel, were frequently among the most active.” They took the rings from the fingers of a dying woman. They urinated on the beds. They opened graves in search of lucre and left the corpses on the ground.

    But here is la pièce de résistance. “Countless women had earrings ripped from bleeding ears.” A foreign diplomat wrote: “I have myself seen a lady with the lobes of both ears torn asunder.” Witnesses saw soldiers torching the Catholic convent. “What do you think of God now?” they shouted to the nuns. “Is not Sherman greater?. . .”

    In St. Landry Parish alone, in western Louisiana, there were 1,596 free blacks just before the war. Some owned sugar plantations and slaves. What? Yes, blacks owned slaves. Invading Yankees were shocked. One Connecticut officer was indignant because they dared “call themselves Americans.” The Yankees stole from these free blacks as well as from the whites.

    In Nashville, in September, 1862, blue bellies couldn’t find seats in a crowded theater. They ejected blacks from the “Negro gallery,” beat them and threw them down the stairs. After enjoying the performance, they attacked every black they found in the streets. In Gallatin, in May, 1864, they torched two new schools for black children, murdered one freedman and swore they would kill every black in town.

    In southeast Georgia there were many free blacks who had accumulated substantial property. Indeed, so had hard working slaves. Union goons stole it all, even threatening black wives. In some cases, black husbands had to rescue them. They stole everything from a black nurse and killed her animals. “Honey, I never knowed a Yankee that wasn’t mean as dirt. . . . What can you spec from a hog but a grunt.”

    And finally, in Columbia: “One black woman . . . was raped by seven soldiers of the United States Army. She then had her face forced down into a shallow ditch and was held there until she drowned.” William Gilmore Simms reported how “regiments, in successive relays,” committed “gang rape on scores of slave women.” On the Sumter District plantation, the corpses of eighteen black women were found. Each had been stabbed in the chest with a bayonet. Yankee war criminals had done with them.

    Remember, these are just a few examples. You really need to read the book. So what are we looking at? Obviously it is considerably different from the mostly mythical war to “free the slaves” your high school textbook told you about. Notice that it is motivated by an insane, messianic fury. The war criminals are enraged, utterly out of control. About what? Obviously not about slavery. Men outraged by slavery do not rob, rape and murder slaves. And remember that chief war criminal Lincoln was as foul a racist as ever lived, even discomfited other racists, staunchly defended slavery and wanted to ship American blacks “back” to Africa.

    No, what drove these Yankee war criminals insane was that the Southerners had dared to come out from under, to say no to the Leviathan state, to total government, to go their own way. They had expressed their freedom through secession. They had invoked their inalienable right to depart.

    A debate endures about whether they had the constitutional right to secede. I don’t know why. I can solve the problem for all time. The Founding Fathers seceded from England. In the Declaration of Independence – the nation’s birth certificate – they said that whenever a people find their government oppressive, they have the right to alter or abolish it. To argue that there is no right to secede is to say that only a few years later, these same men, would concoct a document – the Constitution – in which they would deny themselves that blood-bought right.

    Indeed, there were a few incipient attempts to secede before Lincoln. No one tried to argue that secession was illegal. One area that seriously considered secession was New England. What? Yes. And all through the Twentieth Century, did not the United States vociferously advance the right to secede for other people? We even fought a couple of wars, and lost thousands of the best of the best, to ensure the independence of South Korea and South Vietnam. Could there possibly be a straight-faced argument that other people deserve independence but we do not?

    The Founding Fathers did not create slavery; they inherited 150 years of it. Many Southern slaves were sold to the South by Yankee slavers who no longer had need of them. Slavery was an intolerable stain on the American record. That stain could only be expunged by total abolition. Other countries, including Russia, abolished it without violence. Only ours did so at the cost of some 600,000 men and the destruction of the Union, by men who claimed to revere it and who had owned slaves themselves – and who did all this to keep the South in economic subjection.

    But even this is not the core. Remember the strutting Yankee generals who confused themselves with God. Indeed, remember the terrorist assertion that insane mass murderer Sherman actually outranks God. Consider the messianic fury we have mentioned. Something more than mere greed was at work.

    It is literally a satanic perversion of Christianity, a perversion pretending to be Christianity, which erupts time and again across the centuries. From time to time people who are smarter than God appear, usurpers who have the temporal power to do the job right. If you disagree with them they burn you at the stake. If you try to get out from under them, they scream you are a rebel. You have betrayed them. They will rob and rape you, they will kill you; they will invade and burn your country to the ground, to persuade you to see it their way. Either do that or die. They are disciples of Satan.

    The reason this is so relevant is that this very mentality rules the nation today. That is why the federal juggernaut is so merciless, so confiscatory, so totalitarian. Reconstruction continues, not just of the South; this time of the whole nation, conducted by men consumed by hubris, who believe they can improve upon God.

  26. Joseph  November 18, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Aloha everyone:

    Pls see another angle of info from Benjamin Fulford regarding that missile.

    Pls see quote below from: http://benjaminfulford.net/
    (same article will appear in http://benjaminfulford.blog.shinobi.jp/ in the future w/o log in)

    “Obama returns empty handed while Papa Bush sends trillions of dollars to Singapore
    Posted by benjamin November 15, 2010

    President Obama’s 10-day Asian begging tour produced nothing as governments of the world refused to provide any more life-support to the US’s corporate government. George Bush Senior, meanwhile, used Obama’s absence as an opportunity to fly trillions of dollars worth of financial instruments and gold to Singapore. This money will be spent on a shopping spree of some sort designed to strengthen the Nazi branch of the US secret government, according to CIA, MI6 and Asian sources. Multiple sources also report the Khazarians are planning something truly awful, including perhaps the mass murder and expulsion of Muslims from Europe. Viscount Ettiene Davignon, Chairman of the Bilderberg group promised to hold a press conference “as soon as the smoke clears.”

    The G20 summit meeting in Korea last week could have been better described as the G19 bashing the US. Obama is considered by other world leaders to be a lightweight intellect with no real power. As mentioned above, Obama’s efforts to beg, steal or borrow money from other countries has been firmly rejected meaning there is little chance the US corporate government will be able to meet a January 30th payments deadline. When Chinese President Hu Jintao visits the US in late January, he will no doubt set some very tough conditions if the corporate government is to be allowed to exist beyond that date. The White Dragon society has pointed out to the pentagon and to other sources that the US corporate government’s debts are not the debts of the US peoples and that bankrupting the US corporate government would be a better choice for Americans than accepting hundreds of years of debt slavery.

    The Chinese also rattled the US military establishment in multiple ways last week. They used Electrical Magnetic Pulse weapons to disable a US missile carrier that was planning to attack Iran. The Chinese also launched two intercontinental ballistic missiles, one off the coast of Los Angeles and the other off the coast of New York to demonstrate their ability to bring power to bear on the continental United States. The story being put out that “Pleiadian aliens” stopped the missiles is disinformation designed to cover up the embarrassing Chinese military coup. The Chinese also once again demonstrated that US aircraft carrier fleets are obsolete by having a submarine surface, undetected, right behind a US carrier during a military exercise.

    The Nazis, for their part, informed the White Dragon society that they were a power to be reckoned with. A pentagon Nazi source said that during the Falklands war with Argentina the Nazis stole two British warships and fooled the British into thinking they had been “sunk.” It was also the Nazis who sank the Russian submarine Kursk and stole its 42 nuclear missiles. In addition to their underground bases in the US, South America and Antarctica, the source says the Nazis have a major underground installation in Papua New Guinea as well as multiple underwater bases. This group wants to negotiate their own separate deal with the White Dragon Society and their allies.

    A KGB source was contacted by a different group warning that a nuclear bomb has been hidden somewhere in Tokyo and is no longer in the basement of the Korean Resident’s Association. The source of this nuclear blackmail is the Federal Reserve Board faction.

    The Khazarian Satanists have also begun to issue dire warnings of their plans. They have been hiring Mexican and Philippino police officers to arrest and imprison American citizens after anticipated riots in response to the bankruptcy of the US Corporation and a subsequent attempt to form the American union by merging Canada and Mexico with the US, according to a senior CIA source. This same source mentioned the plan to attack Muslims in Europe and elsewhere.

    Signs of a split between mainstream Jews and Khazarian Satanists have also begun to emerge in the US. The airing of unpleasant truths about George Soros on a major TV show is one such sign. Another is the New York Times reporting about operation paperclip and the Nazi presence in the US. The bashing of Obama in the US press is also expected to intensify and ultimately result in either Obama being booted from office on grounds of insanity or else due to a corruption scandal involving Chicago real estate deals by the Obamas.

    As these tales illustrate, the power structure in the US and Europe is becoming increasingly splintered and it is becoming hard to track all the competing factions. However, it is clear the European Bilderberg group and Europe have split with the Federal Reserve Board and the US corporate government. Davignon offered to finance the $1 trillion lawsuit being prepared against Daniel Dal Bosco, the Davos World Forum and the United Nations. The White Dragon Society refused the offer because it wishes to remain neutral and said the lawsuit will go ahead only when the lawyers are certain they have an overwhelming case. However, Bilderberg has agreed to provide the White Dragon Society with information about the UN such as who exactly gave it its “license.”

    The Federal Reserve Board and their Wall Street buddies, for their part are renewing financial warfare against Europe and the Euro by targeting Ireland and the Baltic States. The Europeans are now actively increasing their gold stocks in order to counter this latest offensive.

    In Japan meanwhile, a purge of the Financial bureaucracy and the banking system is continuing. The aim is to make Japan once again an independent country for the first time since 1858, according to a senior Black Dragon Society source. The Japanese political system will remain incoherent and deadlocked until the purge of foreign controlled stooges is complete, he said.

    All in all, chaos is expected to intensify in coming weeks as the old order falls apart and the purge of the criminals who infested the global financial system concludes.”

    • Dragon Slayer  November 18, 2010 at 9:48 pm

      Joseph, you’ve been drinking heavy, weird stuff, but it was fun reading none-the-less. This dragon shit of yours is serious rock ‘n roll stuff — heavy metal to the max. (see, I just gave away my age 🙁 ).

      Dragon Slayer

  27. Lawrence A Dickerson  November 18, 2010 at 2:46 am

    This is another outlook on the vapor trail.It’s amazing how so many experts can have so many different explanations of the same event.


  28. Yogi X  November 18, 2010 at 2:32 am

    SAS89, I don’t think you really have a clue as to the powerful spiritual meaning of Deu 28:1. This passage is an incredible call to ALL humans, regardless of stupid limitations imposed by one human group upon another.

    Unfortunately, few will hear the message, even fewer will understand its true value and guidance.

    Yogi X.

    • SAS89  November 20, 2010 at 4:06 am

      Collectivity = collectively (typo).

      “I don’t think you really have a clue” … “few will hear the message.”

      Few will hear the message of the BIBLE, but many will hear YOUR message because it is JEWISH. The covenant was made to one race of people exclusively, and they’re the decedents of Jacob who was later renamed to Israel. They did not magically change their race throughout history — they’re still of the same race! This cannot be refuted without outright Jew deception.

      You really have no clue about the Bible, other than Judeo-Christian/Communist/ADL lies. The multicultural beliefs that you have are JEWISH in origin.

      Watch this video, where a Jew admits from her own mouth that THEY are responsible for the “multiculturalism” that has been FORCED upon Western civilization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjSzXkm55o

      There is no other race of people on this planet that received the national blessings promised to the children of Jacob/Israel. China is not a “Christian” nation, and the blessings promised to the Israelites do not apply to them. If the Israelites never existed, the Chinese would not have submarines, ICBMs, and maybe not even guns. Jacob/Israel inadvertently armed them with this technology, AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

      Edom is in “Modern Jewry” (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41).

      Genesis 36:8 Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom. (KJV)

      Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob [Israel] shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. (KJV)

      Ezekiel 25:14 And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD. (KJV)

      Ezekiel 35 and Obadiah 1 give an accurate description of what these parasites have done to true Israel. God’s people Israel are the same people today as they were thousands of years ago, no matter how deceived they are.

    • SAS89  November 20, 2010 at 4:21 am

      Collectivity = collectively (typo).

      “I don’t think you really have a clue” … “few will hear the message.”

      Was it Trotsky, Stalin, or someone else that said Communism would come to America on the back of Christianity (“Judeo”-Christianity)? I am lacking the exact quote.

      Few will hear the message of the BIBLE, but many will hear YOUR message because it is JEWISH. The covenant was made to one race of people exclusively, and they’re the decedents of Jacob who was later renamed to Israel. They did not magically change their race throughout history — they’re still of the same race! This cannot be refuted without outright Jew deception.

      You really have no clue about the Bible, other than Judeo-Christian/Communist/ADL lies. The multicultural beliefs that you have are JEWISH in origin.

      Watch this video, where a Jew admits from her own mouth that THEY are responsible for the “multiculturalism” that has been FORCED upon Western civilization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjSzXkm55o

      There is no other race of people on this planet that received the national blessings promised to the children of Jacob/Israel. China is not a “Christian” nation, and the blessings promised to the Israelites do not apply to them. If the Israelites never existed, the Chinese would not have submarines, ICBMs, and maybe not even guns. Jacob/Israel inadvertently armed them with this technology, AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

      Edom is in “Modern Jewry” (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41).

      Genesis 36:8 Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom. (KJV)

      Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob [Israel] shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. (KJV)

      Ezekiel 25:14 And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD. (KJV)

      Ezekiel 35 and Obadiah 1 give an accurate description of what these parasites have done to true Israel. God’s people Israel are the same people today as they were thousands of years ago, no matter how deceived they are. Also, the Chinese are still the same race that they were thousands of years ago.

  29. Texas Vet  November 18, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Jeez, Onion. Tell us what you really think about us. Don’t hold anything back. Peel back every layer of your own onion and see what is left at the core.

    You know, Onion, this is funamentally a Veterans site with lots of welcome non-Vets visiting and staying awhile. Many, if not most of us Vets, have suffered serious physical and mental injuries protecting the rights of whiners to snivel their drivel. Know what I mean? We did this to give well over a billion other humans the same rights to choose and express as we have.

    In many of the countries of the world, you’d have your onion peeled in a New York second by whatever government is in charge. But here, you can rant and rave. And you did. Welcome to freedom of thought and action.

    Keep posting. We’ll help you work your way through your crap to your own destiny. You’ll like the results.


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