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Colin Powell’s Own Staff Had Warned Him Against His War Lies

By David Swanson, Staff Writer

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Colin Powell’s Staff Warned Him Against His War Lies

In the wake of WMD-liar Curveball’s videotaped confession, Colin Powell is demanding to know why nobody warned him about Curveball’s unreliability. The trouble is, they did.

Can you imagine having an opportunity to address the United Nations Security Council about a matter of great global importance, with all the world’s media watching, and using it to… well, to make shit up – to lie with a straight face, and with a CIA director propped up behind you, I mean to spew one world-class, for-the-record-books stream of bull, to utter nary a breath without a couple of whoppers in it, and to look like you really mean it all? What gall. What an insult to the entire world that would be.

Colin Powell doesn’t have to imagine such a thing. He has to live with it. He did it on February 5, 2003. It’s on videotape.

I tried to ask him about it in the summer of 2004. He was speaking to the Unity Journalists of Color convention in Washington, D.C. The event had been advertised as including questions from the floor, but for some reason that plan was revised. Speakers from the floor were permitted to ask questions of four safe and vetted journalists of color before Powell showed up, and then those four individuals could choose to ask him something related – which of course they did not, in any instance, do.

Bush and Kerry spoke as well. The panel of journalists who asked Bush questions when he showed up had not been properly vetted. Roland Martin of the Chicago Defender had slipped onto it somehow (which won’t happen again!). Martin asked Bush whether he was opposed to preferential college admissions for the kids of alumni and whether he cared more about voting rights in Afghanistan than in Florida. Bush looked like a deer in the headlights, only without the intelligence. He stumbled so badly that the room openly laughed at him.

But the panel that had been assembled to lob softballs at Powell served its purpose well. It was moderated by Gwen Ifill. I asked Ifill (and Powell could watch it later on C-Span if he wanted to) whether Powell had any explanation for the way in which he had relied on the testimony of Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law. He had recited the claims about weapons of mass destruction but carefully left out the part where that same gentleman had testified that all of Iraq’s WMDs had been destroyed. Ifill thanked me, and said nothing. Hillary Clinton was not present and nobody beat me up.

I wonder what Powell would say if someone were to actually ask him that question, even today, or next year, or ten years from now. Someone tells you about a bunch of old weapons and at the same time tells you they’ve been destroyed, and you choose to repeat the part about the weapons and censor the part about their destruction. How would you explain that?

Well, it’s a sin of omission, so ultimately Powell could claim he forgot. “Oh yeah, I meant to say that, but it slipped my mind.”

But how would he explain this:

During his presentation at the United Nations, Powell provided this translation of an intercepted conversation between Iraqi army officers:

“They’re inspecting the ammunition you have, yes.

“Yes.

“For the possibility there are forbidden ammo.

“For the possibility there is by chance forbidden ammo?

“Yes.

“And we sent you a message yesterday to clean out all of the areas, the scrap areas, the abandoned areas. Make sure there is nothing there.”

The incriminating phrases “clean all of the areas” and “Make sure there is nothing there” do not appear in the official State Department translation of the exchange:

“Lt. Colonel: They are inspecting the ammunition you have.

“Colonel: Yes.

“Lt. Col: For the possibility there are forbidden ammo.

“Colonel: Yes?

“Lt. Colonel: For the possibility there is by chance, forbidden ammo.

“Colonel: Yes.

“Lt. Colonel: And we sent you a message to inspect the scrap areas and the abandoned areas.

“Colonel: Yes.”

Powell was writing fictional dialogue. He put those extra lines in there and pretended somebody had said them. Here’s what Bob Woodward said about this in his book “Plan of Attack.”

“[Powell] had decided to add his personal interpretation of the intercepts to rehearsed script, taking them substantially further and casting them in the most negative light. Concerning the intercept about inspecting for the possibility of ‘forbidden ammo,’ Powell took the interpretation further: ‘Clean out all of the areas. . . . Make sure there is nothing there.’ None of this was in the intercept.”

For most of his presentation, Powell wasn’t inventing dialogue, but he was presenting as facts numerous claims that his own staff had warned him were weak and indefensible.

Powell told the UN and the world: “We know that Saddam’s son, Qusay, ordered the removal of all prohibited weapons from Saddam’s numerous palace complexes.” The January 31, 2003, evaluation of Powell’s draft remarks prepared for him by the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (“INR”) flagged this claim as “WEAK”.

Regarding alleged Iraqi concealment of key files, Powell said: “key files from military and scientific establishments have been placed in cars that are being driven around the countryside by Iraqi intelligence agents to avoid detection.” The January 31, 2003 INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK” and added “Plausibility open to question.” A Feb. 3, 2003, INR evaluation of a subsequent draft of Powell’s remarks noted:

“Page 4, last bullet, re key files being driven around in cars to avoid inspectors. This claim is highly questionable and promises to be targeted by critics and possibly UN inspection officials as well.”
That didn’t stop Colin from stating it as fact and apparently hoping that, even if UN inspectors thought he was a brazen liar, US media outlets wouldn’t tell anyone.

On the issue of biological weapons and dispersal equipment, Powell said: “we know from sources that a missile brigade outside Baghdad was disbursing rocket launchers and warheads containing biological warfare agents to various locations, distributing them to various locations in western Iraq.”

The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK”:

“WEAK. Missiles with biological warheads reportedly dispersed. This would be somewhat true in terms of short-range missiles with conventional warheads, but is questionable in terms of longer-range missiles or biological warheads.”
This claim was again flagged in the February 3, 2003, evaluation of a subsequent draft of Powell’s presentation: “Page 5. first para, claim re missile brigade dispersing rocket launchers and BW warheads. This claim too is highly questionable and might be subjected to criticism by UN inspection officials.”

That didn’t stop Colin. In fact, he brought out visual aids to help with his lying

Powell showed a slide of a satellite photograph of an Iraqi munitions bunker, and lied:

“The two arrows indicate the presence of sure signs that the bunkers are storing chemical munitions . . . [t]he truck you […] see is a signature item. It’s a decontamination vehicle in case something goes wrong.”
The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK” and added: “We support much of this discussion, but we note that decontamination vehicles – cited several times in the text – are water trucks that can have legitimate uses… Iraq has given UNMOVIC what may be a plausible account for this activity – that this was an exercise involving the movement of conventional explosives; presence of a fire safety truck (water truck, which could also be used as a decontamination vehicle) is common in such an event.”

Powell’s own staff had told him the thing was a water truck, but he told the U.N. it was “a signature item…a decontamination vehicle.” The UN was going to need a decontamination vehicle itself by the time Powell finished spewing his lies and disgracing his country.

He just kept piling it on: “UAVs outfitted with spray tanks constitute an ideal method for launching a terrorist attack using biological weapons,” he said.

The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this statement as “WEAK” and added: “the claim that experts agree UAVs fitted with spray tanks are ‘an ideal method for launching a terrorist attack using biological weapons’ is WEAK.”

In other words, experts did NOT agree with that claim.

Powell kept going, announcing “in mid-December weapons experts at one facility were replaced by Iraqi intelligence agents who were to deceive inspectors about the work that was being done there.”

The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK” and “not credible” and “open to criticism, particularly by the UN inspectorates.”

His staff was warning him that what he planned to say would not be believed by his audience, which would include the people with actual knowledge of the matter.

To Powell that was no matter.

Powell, no doubt figuring he was in deep already, so what did he have to lose, went on to tell the UN: “On orders from Saddam Hussein, Iraqi officials issued a false death certificate for one scientist, and he was sent into hiding.”

The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK” and called it “Not implausible, but UN inspectors might question it. (Note: Draft states it as fact.)”

And Powell stated it as fact. Notice that his staff was not able to say there was any evidence for the claim, but rather that it was “not implausible.” That was the best they could come up with. In other words: “They might buy this one, Sir, but don’t count on it.”

Powell, however, wasn’t satisfied lying about one scientist. He had to have a dozen. He told the United Nations: “A dozen [WMD] experts have been placed under house arrest, not in their own houses, but as a group at one of Saddam Hussein’s guest houses.”

The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK” and “Highly questionable.” This one didn’t even merit a “Not implausible.”

Powell also said: “In the middle of January, experts at one facility that was related to weapons of mass destruction, those experts had been ordered to stay home from work to avoid the inspectors. Workers from other Iraqi military facilities not engaged in elicit weapons projects were to replace the workers who’d been sent home.”

Powell’s staff called this “WEAK,” with “Plausibility open to question.”

All of this stuff sounded plausible enough to viewers of Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. And that, we can see now, was what interested Colin. But it must have sounded highly implausible to the U.N. inspectors. Here was a guy who had not been with them on any of their inspections coming in to tell them what had happened.

We know from Scott Ritter, who led many UNSCOM inspections in Iraq, that U.S. inspectors had used the access that the inspection process afforded them to spy for, and to set up means of data collection for, the CIA. So there was some plausibility to the idea that an American could come back to the UN and inform the UN what had really happened on its inspections.

Yet, repeatedly, Powell’s staff warned him that the specific claims he wanted to make were not going to even sound plausible. They will be recorded by history more simply as blatant lies.

The examples of Powell’s lying listed above are taken from an extensive report released by Congressman John Conyers: “The Constitution in Crisis; The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War.”

About the Author: David Swanson is the author of “War Is A Lie”



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47 Responses to "Colin Powell’s Own Staff Had Warned Him Against His War Lies"

  1. Coffeecrimson  February 20, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Colin Powell was a highly respected, reputable military man. Just the kind of person you could get to tell lies and be believed. When he was rebuked by Bush the first time he should have left. All he did was tarnish his reputation and destroy the respect the nation had for him. It’s sad that he wanted to be a part of the administration and didn’t have the guts to leave when he found out he was a shill for Bush.

  2. wallytron  February 20, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Israel

  3. Dale R. Suiter  February 18, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    General Powell was and remains a highly respected, competent and capable General Officer (ret) who obtained the highest post available in the U.S. Force structure.

    Regards

    Dale R. Suiter

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 9:41 pm

      No, Powell is a lying, dishonorable unindicted war criminal both for his cover-up of Mai Lai and his later perpetration of official fraud to justify an illegal war of aggression on a nation that did not attack us. Your protestations to the contrary simply paint you as an apologist for war criminality.

    • Gary Walker  February 19, 2011 at 1:50 am

      Right on Pen, and don’t forget about his role in the Iran Contra coverup working for Casper Weinberger.

      Back in the 90’s there was talk of Powell running for president. He was going around the country’s major cities making speeches. One of the things he said, if I recall correctly, is that the trouble with America is that many have lost their sense of shame. How does this guy sleep at night!

      Agape,
      Infidel

  4. wallytron  February 18, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Are we winning in Nam yet?
    Did we turn that corner?
    Did we see the light when we made it thru the tunnel?
    If you are not supporting the war in Nam you must be unpatroitic

    time for my meds

  5. johng  February 18, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    JON JON, I ONLY DEBATE WITH MEN HERE, NOt “BOYS” LIKE YOU!

    • wallytron  February 18, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      I was a man once and they sent me to nam. I am much younger than that now.

  6. johng  February 18, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    I’ll let God judge our soldiers Pen, not you!

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 2:52 pm

      Oh I’m sure he will and those who support the atrocities they commit and have committed over the past century or more, all based on lies and fabricated events.

      Meanwhile the truth demands that wrongful actions and beliefs be confronted and denounced in the interest of reminding the public that we are not above the rule of law or common moral principle, however much some of us think we might be.

  7. alan  February 18, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Powell is a puppet. Must see video- committee of 300:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6177816737047733655&hl=en#

  8. johng  February 18, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Pen, don’t attempt to dishonour our soldiers, dead and alive, with your personal ideology! Respect is obviously something that wasn’t taught to you.

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 12:00 pm

      Respect for mankind is something clearly bred out of the militarist, john (as evinced by Dale’s repeated vague application of “enemy” to anyone who dares resist our invasions). Further, if you claim to believe in Christ as one of your posts in another recent article attempts to suggest, then you do a poor job showing any consistency of moral principle by defending the military machine here.

      I will call wanton disregard for our fellow man by our MIC and those who serve it for what it is, and you should believe, if Christian you are, that Christ will call it far worse when that day comes. That is basic common decency john, not personal ideology, but such rationale obviously escapes you.

      Shame on you.

    • Gary Walker  February 18, 2011 at 1:35 pm

      Greetings Penumbra,

      I appreciate your well spoken comments but I think it is better to leave Jesus out. It is Jesus who is going to “come back” and kill the vast majority of human beings. He is, “a man of war.” – Ex. 15:3 He is the darling of the war mongers and rightly so. “I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.” – Mt. 10:34

      “You don’t count the dead when god’s on your side.” Bob Dylan

      Amen,
      Infidel

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 2:48 pm

      Gary you need to read the comments of Christ in the context of his full message. Not piecemeal and out of context. The sword he came to bring was spiritual not physical (he even berated the Zealots for their demands that he launch a physical war to establish his kingdom).

      “My kingdom is not of this world”, he said, just as he enjoined his followers that “we battle not against flesh and blood”. The “Christian Warrior” mantra of the dominionist cult is even more abhorrent than the jingoistic mantras of the military establishment itself for the fact that it makes a mockery of all that Christ stressed repeatedly.

      “Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do unto me”. Reinterpret those passages to suit the militaristic mindset at your own risk. I’ll stick to consistency of principle and concern for the victims of our repeated acts of illegal barbarism.

    • Gary Walker  February 18, 2011 at 4:33 pm

      Pen, ol buddy, the context of the entire New Testament is that Jesus created Hell for all those who do not kiss his ass. He is going to kill everyone on the planet except for a select few mindless sheep. “A tyrant is still a tyrant whether on earth or in heaven.” – Colonel Robert Ingersoll

      It is easy to see how sadistical megalomaniacs revel in Jesus think. Jesus is a crutch for evil doers. Afterall, he told the Dubya to “smite Saddam.”

      Peace be upon you,
      Infidel

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 4:52 pm

      The voices in the Shrub’s head are a product of his ample cocaine and alcohol consumption, not anything remotely divine.

  9. johng  February 18, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Pen, name me one righteous war in the history of mankind?

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 12:02 pm

      what sort of spurious strawman argument is that, john? Nice way to attempt to sidetrack the issue for which Dale was called out.

      Your deceit is showing.

  10. Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 4:43 am

    You’re right john, I have no financial interest in exposing militaristic lies and mantras, simply a matter of moral principle, with which any right thinking person – who has spent time learning about (better yet experiencing firsthand) other cultures sufficiently to know they are not “enemies” – should be in accord. Sadly this is not the case for many who have sold their mind and soul to the MIC and its murderous interventionist prerogatives.

    This country is so blinded by its exceptionalistic arrogance it cares little for the misery and destruction it has visited (more than any nation on the planet in the past century or more) upon countless men, women and children. A fact to which you and Dale have obviously become totally cauterized.

    I stand with the vast majority of the planet outside this insulated misinformed bubble society who recognizes how low this nation has sunk because the very attitude you defend. A shame on us all that you are blind to it.

  11. johng  February 18, 2011 at 3:54 am

    Penumbra, go ahead and “trash” Dale. Do really feel you’ve done the world a favor by doing this? Your just another “sad pup” who comments here for “no dollars”.

    • Ron Paul 2012  February 18, 2011 at 4:03 am

      Dale is lying through his teeth.
      He is regurgitating the same old debunked neocon lies and he knows it.

      One could say he is debating a valid point, but the fact is his lines are such contrived repetitive garbage is obvious to anyone who has done this for a couple of years.

  12. johng  February 18, 2011 at 3:26 am

    Dale R Suiter, I thank you for your service and your patriatism. The very same people here that are refuting your statememts are some of the 1st to readily accept the “plunder “of the wars they claim they object to. Never mind them Dale, their “righteousness” is only in their condemnation!

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 4:55 am

      Nothing remotely “patriotic” about cheering the militaristic ruination of other people’s lands, lives and property whilst claiming to be the pinnacle of democracy and justice. That is called jingoism and it is rooted in bigotry, hatred and presumed supremacy, the very attitude that has led this nation on a downward spiral for generations without an end in sight.

      A true patriot who loves this country does not confine his love to a waving flag or a uniform, but knows, as does a parent dealing with a stubborn child, that love entails condemnation and correction of bad behavior. Our military has done more to demonstrate that this nation does not represent the principles of its founding than all the corrupt politicos they serve put together. It’s time to cease and desist the bloodshed, the torture and the destruction before we have no nation left to love.

      Wake up.

  13. wallytron  February 18, 2011 at 1:12 am

    A well respected man who sold his soul to the devil chenney.
    Now just another war criminal.

  14. Thomas  February 18, 2011 at 12:18 am

    General Powell is about as well thought of as Bush and Cheny at a CPAC meeting. Turn off Fox news for awhile, come out of your cave and get some fresh air,it will do you good.

    • Dale R. Suiter  February 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm

      I don’t know much about CPAC meetings. I know some of the members of Congress and a slim blonde woman (Ann Coulter?) and I believe Michelle Bachmann spoke at it. It was on CSPAN too.

      Fox News is a comerical filled, repetitive and often boring production. Some of their personalities have a weak grasp concerning historical facts. Others appear to want poor and disadvantaged people to somehow live without public finacial assistance. Fox does have a few good commentators. Mostly boring, however.

      I do however like my cave and just may stay in it.

      Regards

      Dale R. Suiter

  15. Lem G.  February 17, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Plausible deniability has been going on since the Nixon regime. Bush 2 has perfected it.

  16. Harry  February 17, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    ANYBODY connected with the Bush/Cheney team was “in” the loop. Especially Powell and Rice. These people don’t operate in the vacuum. They’ve lied so many times they don’t have any credibility.

  17. Dale R. Suiter  February 17, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I question logic that challenges the historical fact. Iraq used chemical weapons – fact. Residue of chemcial agents, warfare grade were found in Iraq post invasion by coalition forces.

    General Powell is a very well thought of, highly respected general officer. He is considered by many Americans to be an outstanding example of integrity and honesty. Often in history, mistakes are made that have terrible consequences. Our nation is at war. It is a war again without the full force of its assests avaialable to those who fight our battles. Once again the line Solider, Marine, Airmen, Sailor and Coast Guardsmen is facing an enemy in battle. They have limited logistical support, not enough infantry, armor and artillery assests and must fight under (my view – criminal) rules of engagement that cost our country lives of our best citizens.

    Aritcles like the one above are very necessary in a free socieity. People must have unrestricted access to any point of view. There are costs however. Look at our troops as they come home Mr. Swanson. Look at them. They are tired and need your support. You don’t give it to them. Very tragic. Many active and retired military would, with complete faith, follow General Powell, to this day into any situation, knowing he would not let us or the United States down. In very difficult times, he has always given America his best. He has not changed.

    Agree with the wars or not, they are going to continue. The current phase will continue into the 2030’s. There is a lot of dying and maiming that will continue until it is conclued. God grant this war does not widen. Please consider exerting efforts to encourage negotiation and diaglog towards preventing the spread of war. Once the weapons are employed civilians need to get out of the way and let the military conclude wars quickly and without mercy. Not going to happen, is it? People do not learn from past mistakes.

    Respectfully

    Dale R. Suiter

    • John  February 17, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      You can question and challenge all you want, but the fact is Colin Powell lied, he knew he was lying, and many thousand of people in and out of uniform have been murdered and maimed as a result. There are some actions taken by people that are unforgivable, this is one.

    • Dale R. Suiter  February 17, 2011 at 9:07 pm

      With respect – my view is that intellegence data may be an issue with chemcial and biological weapons in Iraq prior to our invasion. History is replete with many examples of serious intellegnece failures. Examples include: TET 1969 in RVN, appearance of Chinese forces during Korean War, Battle of the Buldge and Pearl Harbor in World War II are a few examples. I do not agree with attacks on General Powell’s character. We as a country now have troops in the field facing an enemy. There are tens of thosands that have an extremely difficult time receiving treatment and benefits for wounds and other medical issues because of our nation’s decision to go to war.

      Attacking General Powell now – and I dispute the facts serves no useful purpose other than to fuel enemy propaganda machines.

      Regards

      Dale R. Suiter

    • Ron Paul 2012  February 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      You are trying to blame “intelligence failure” when it is well known the Bush Administration ignored the intelligence that Iraq didn’t have WMD and scapegoated the CIA later for an “intelligence failure”?

      Do the Neocons pay you to write this nonsense?
      Repeating the same old lies is not very clever…

      “Bush was warned there were no WMD, says former CIA man”

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-was-warned-there-were-no-wmd-says-former-cia-man-475357.html

    • Steve Johnson  February 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      This Dale R. Suiter character is a scripted liar and a well versed propaganda tool sent to Veterans Today to limit the damage that truth is doing to the Status Quo of the BIGGER liars running the show.

      His only objective here is to invent excuses and present the seed of “plausible deniability” to cover the crimes that are already documented.

      Veterans Today readers and intelligent commentators would be well advised to ignore and block his comments hereafter. He is a Neo-con pro-fascist Baghdad Bob, and not worth the effort taken to reply to his remarks of ignorance and outrageous fabrications. Answering him in any way only misdirects the topic and distracts from the focus of the real issue.

      THEY LIED AND CONTINUE TO LIE TO COVER UP THOSE LIES. THATS the basic fact.

      Saddam says “thanks” to the CIA for all the US help over the years:
      http://southeastasianews.org/images/thanks_saddam.swf

    • Ron Paul 2012  February 17, 2011 at 8:16 pm

      @Dale

      Your rhetoric is Orwellian doublespeak at best.
      If you are so concerned about the troops safety you should be angry at the liars like Colon Powell who sent them there is the first place. Instead you are criticizing someone exposing the truth. Pathetic.

      And you say:

      “General Powell is a very well thought of, highly respected general officer. He is considered by many Americans to be an outstanding example of integrity and honesty.”

      Really? There is a joke inside the beltway apparently you haven’t heard.

      Q: Why is his name Colon?

      A: Because everything that comes out of him is shit.

      You should be ashamed of yourself posting such deceitful garbage.

    • Dale R. Suiter  February 17, 2011 at 9:12 pm

      My statement that “General Powell is a well thought of …” is accurate. Others are free in our society to form their views.

      Regarding inside the Beltway, I tend to view much of what comes out of political and media circles with skepticism. Ever saw the nice, very well dressed, handsome and attractive young men and women that go from Congressional office to Congressional Office and Department Office in Washington D.C.? This behavior occurs inside of the Beltway too. Lawful? Sure. Free speech allows the massive amounts of manipulative behavior that come out of inside the Beltway. The manipulative behavior includes the creation of wars our troops fight.

      I wish you well.

      Regards

      Dale R. Suiter

    • Ron Paul 2012  February 17, 2011 at 9:44 pm

      “Ever saw the nice, very well dressed, handsome and attractive young men and women that go from Congressional office to Congressional Office and Department Office in Washington D.C.? This behavior occurs inside of the Beltway too. ”

      Yes, and they are full of shit too, just like lying Colon Powell.
      He was literally laughing as he fed his lies to the press and Congress.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBoVst-WTIY

      As for your justification for war by asserting that chemical agents were found in Iraq. Either you are a liar or your ignorant, because it’s common knowledge that those weapons were sold to Iraq during the Reagan Administration. The U.S. had no problem when he used them against Iran, they just used it as an excuse to trick the American people as a pretense to invade Iraq.

      “How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons”

      http://www.counterpunch.org/dixon06172004.html

      You try to sound like you know what you’re talking about but again either you are ignorant or a liar, which one is it?

    • Dale R. Suiter  February 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm

      I am often ignorant of many things. Lies on my part, please continue to judge for yourself.

      Fact is Iraq had and used chemcial weapons. Justification for invading Iraq? I don’t know and don’t care. Civilians make decisions to invade other countries. Members of the military swear an oath to obey. They must fight wars created by civilian leadership with the weapons and policies the country gives them. It is as simple as that. We don’t create wars, civilians do.

      I wish you well.

      Dale R. Suiter

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 12:25 am

      Ron, Jon Jon,

      You are wasting your breath on this guy. Dale repeatedly shows himself a dyed in the wool indoctrinated mouthpiece for overt militarism with no conscience or apology for the millions slaughtered to serve the MIC/Bankster/Energy cartel nexus, not “America” or “American interests”.

      The fact that he repeatedly regurgitates the militaristic mantra of “the enemy” whilst doubtless being unable to show one Iraqi or Afghan (Vietnamese, Guatemalan, Sudanese, Columbian, Grenadan, Chilean, et al) who ever invaded this nation in arms let alone his town or neighborhood or dare say home to do harm directly to him or his family, as we have done (and continue to do) to many around the globe. Yet still they and all those vague as yet unnamed peoples out there who might dare to fight back against our illegal invasions (current and in planning) will to Dale always be “the enemy”.

      It is beyond the capacity of his rationale to recognize that WE, OUR MILITARY are the only “enemy” and one which we were not only warned against by our founding fathers (whom Dale repeatedly shows little true regard for in his bid to defend the indefensible) and by Eisenhower, but one which has shown the world the extent to which it will go to destroy any nation who dares resist political/economic subjugation by our elite corporate interests.

      I suspect Dale is simply too old and too long steeped in the military mindset to see the light of truth and feel the shame that he should for the lie-ridden, mass murdering institution he has served. When the truth is finally shown to him in all its ugliness, he wont be able to even say “I’m sorry” to those countless millions he has wrongly labeled “the enemy”.

      Ignorance is a mental illness only cured by self-recognition and a desire to learn the truth, however painful that may be.

    • Ron Paul 2012  February 18, 2011 at 3:59 am

      I see him, he is reading right of the Neocon manual and he hides behind politeness.

      Shill tactics, 2007.

      He needs to be exposed and discredited nonetheless.

    • meremark  February 18, 2011 at 4:47 am

      Yeah, thanks penumbra. It’s pleasing to read your good stuff, I mean well-spoken, which is thorough and up-to-date and shows the same old war criminals and crimes in the bull’s-eye of the prosecution target. Loser unSuited may distract for all he’s worth, but no one is taking their eyes off the objective to imprison Bush Sinister (also Bush Jughead) and Kissinger and all the zionist cons who have ever been attached to those two starting back since 1948.

      Colin Powell is a liar loser, and I really dislike ever seeing him on TV, in the paper, or hearing his traitor name mentioned ever again. Got that, Colin? You are abominable, soon you are going to be charged in Court and convicted.

    • Dale R. Suiter  February 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm

      The “enemy” regarding the American military is identified by the civilian goverement. The “enemy” is then engaged consistent wtih any limiting rules created by the civilian goverenment. Professional military enlisted personnel, NCO’s and Officers engage the enemy to their destruction when allowed to do so by the controlling civilians.

      That folks is the way of American warfare.

      Of course, there are a few dollars made by the military/idustrial people a former President spoke about. That however, is another story.

      I am too, ignorant of many thoughts, ideas, subjects and skills. I have much to learn. Mental illness – no. I know what am doing and identify the correct date. It is 3045 on Utopia the 55th with the seventh moon rising in the concordant sky, correct?

      Take care

      Dale R. Suiter

    • Penumbra  February 18, 2011 at 9:45 pm

      No Dale, “the enemy” IS our civilian government. Let’s see your soldiers uphold their sworn oath to defend the Constitution against the only true and viable enemy of “our way of life” this nation has ever faced, those who have always been inside the gates.

      Doubtless that fact escapes your institutionalized, compartmentalized thought processes.

    • Dale R. Suiter  February 18, 2011 at 8:14 pm

      Don’t know how to play any games on computers. I have limited computer skills. I do know a bit about warfare from my experience with the 4575th Messkit Repair Battalion, Rivet Company, Soldering Platoon, however.

      I must continue to tell people I wish them well. Please accept well intended, well meant courtesy.

      The United States Navy “once upon a time” operated an amphibious warfare school at Little Creek Virginia. Complete Infantry Battalions went through a rather intensive two week course involving sea, land and air assests. It is a complex and physically demanding course. There are three Infantry Battalions to a Regiment or Brigade, three Regiments or Brigades to a Divison (plus Division Artillery, support units and perhaps an Armor Unit). There are two (perhaps three) divisons to a corp and two (or perhaps corps to a Theater Army). General Powell commanded all these assests and was a master at complex operations like the one taught at Little Creek. He is a very well respected General Officer by members of the military. It is simply a fact and sure, you will always find a few detractors.

      Respectfully

      Dale R. Suiter

    • mallee  February 18, 2011 at 8:46 pm

      @Dale.

      Colin Powell: Not the Man You Think
      By Tom Ashworth and Ted Sampley
      U.S, Veteran Dispatch
      October/November1995 Issue
      http://www.usvetdsp.com/story13.htm

      Behind Colin Powell’s Legend — My Lai
      By Robert Parry & Norman Solomon
      http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

      or use your own favourite search engine and search colin powell + mai lai

      the man is a scumbag “uncle tom”, who’s lied through his teeth for the entire duration of his career.

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