GILAD ATZMON: Truth in Stuttgart, Israel Worse Than Nazi Germany

Three months ago, I briefly participated in a Palestinian solidarity conference in Stuttgart. The event was dedicated to the ‘One State Solution’. As it happened, I was touring in Germany at the time, and thus accepted an invitation by the organiser to say a few words.

Being primarily an artist, rather than a politician or an activist, I am committed to truth and beauty rather than a party-line or any given ideological doctrine. Yet, without my intending to do so, and in just a few sentences – I managed to cross every possible ‘red line’, and I bought myself a few more enemies.

In my speech, I said that as much as ‘universalism’ is a beautiful idea, it is incompatible with Jewish culture, since Jewish culture is tribally oriented. I also told the German Palestinian supporters that as much as ‘peace’ is a beautiful concept, associated as it is with harmony and reconciliation,  Shalom, the Hebrew word for peace, is actually interpreted by Israelis as ‘security for the Jews’.

I thought that the supporters of the ‘One State Solution’ should be aware of the complexities that lie ahead.

I also managed  to infuriate some, by suggesting that I was against the comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. Indeed, I believe that from certain ideological perspective, Israel is actually far worse than Nazi Germany, for unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is a democracy and that implies that Israeli citizens are complicit in Israeli atrocities.


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Needless to say, a few of the attendants of the conference were angry with me.  Such ideas are hardly expressed on German soil. Some of the Jewish activists, and at least one Marxist, demanded that I should be removed from the protocol.

I was obviously sad about it — I believed that those who advocated the ‘One State solution’ should be able to support intellectual pluralism — But it turns out that a few of those who promote democracy in Palestine would be better advised to first confront their own Stalinist tendencies.

Later, I learned that one legendary German Jewish activist and speaker at the conference stood by me.  Evelyn Hecht-Galinski firmly announced that if I was to be removed from the protocol, then she also wanted to be removed. She argued in my defense that I was telling the truth about both Jewish and Israeli culture.

In spite of relentless Jewish pressure, a video of my presentation was later uploaded to youtube and has now been seen by many.

Two days ago I learned that Arbeiterfotografie, (the group who documented the conference) transcribed my talk and considered it “most convincing and humane”. They thought that it should be ‘disseminated widely’ (read below).

I guess that truth cannot be suppressed anymore — not even in Germany.   If Israel defines itself as a Jewish State, then surely, it is our duty to question what Jewishness is all about.

I believe that solidarity with Palestine becomes a more meaningful event once we are brave enough to stand for the truth. Rather than fit ourselves into any given consensus or discourse, our duty is to present an alternative reality, whilst aiming at ethics and beauty.

For Justice to prevail, truth must be told.

Arbeiterfotografie: What did Gilad Atzmon actually say in Stuttgart?

One of the most essential phrases at the very beginning of Gilad Atzmon’s welcome address at the Stuttgart conference is certainly the following: “We all agree upon ‘ONE state’, and we all agree that this is most probably the only ethical and universal approach to the crisis. We all agree that this is the right road to peace.” Gilad Atzmon explains that universality and peace, in the sense of reconciliation, are alien to the Jewish – and especially Israeli – culture. He states that Jewish culture is tribe-oriented. And that when Israelis use the word ‘shalom’, they do not mean peace but security for the Jews. He believes that it is crucial to apply maximum pressure on Israel through « Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions » (BDS).

Although it may be fair to say that statements of this nature are bound to cause strong reactions amongst the proponents of racist and zionist ideologies, it is barely comprehensible that this should be the case within the Palestine Solidarity movement.

It is the following passage in particular that has been quoted out of context: “I think Israel is much worse than Nazi Germany. Why? Israel is a democracy. Nazi Germany was not a democracy. The Reichstag was dissolved, the Germans have no responsibility for actions and crimes committed by the Nazis. Israel is a democracy; hence every citizen is complicit. Every citizen is complicit, as am I, as a British citizen, in the crimes committed in Iraq.”

The above passage has served to disqualify Gilad Atzmon and reject a discussion with him. Is this justified? The answer to this question becomes apparent as soon as we reflect on the context these phrases were spoken in. The passage that has been taken out of context is part of a digression in which Gilad explains why he dislikes comparisons – comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany, and comparisons between Israel and South Africa. By reducing his words to the passage in question, his statement is deprived of its original intent and meaning. [See complete interpolation below].

Gilad Atzmon’s most fundamental concern, however, is to bring understanding to the Israelis with regard to an idea that he describes as follows: “But then suddenly a very important concept became clear to me. And it is the only one we can make the Israelis understand. It is very simple [interpolation, see below]. I believe the Israelis’ fear and hysteria regarding the delegitimisation of Israel has to do with the fact that they may be beginning to understand that sooner or later they will be living together with the Palestinians … This is also my main message to you today. It is the Israelis who are now prisoners – prisoners of future Palestinian benevolence. No one can absolve the Israelis from their deeds and their crimes – neither the British, the French, nor the Germans. The only people who will ever be able to forgive them are the Palestinians. In order to receive forgiveness, the Israelis must start thinking NOW. [They must start thinking:] Destiny has condemned us to live in this society. It is an irrevocable process. There will be ONE state, and we must make sure they understand this – and understand that everything they do from now on will be subject tp Palestinian benevolence. We must make this point clear to them.”

His train of thought is unusual, but it is by no means deserving of condemnation.

It is a most convincing and humane idea, and we should support and disseminate it widely. We should no longer play along in the game that consists in reversing the roles of the robbers and robbed, the oppressors and oppressed, the terrorists and terrorised. We must recognise who has systematically committed crimes against whom over the decades. And in this context we must acknowledge Gilad Atzmon’s idea: the situation can no longer go on in this way. Each and every additional crime committed by Israel against the Palestinians plants hatred towards this state and makes reconciliation even more remote. This cannot be what we want, especially if we are part of a Christian society.

The intellectual digression in full [in italics]: “We have already heard about the comparison between Israelis – Israel and Nazi Germany. I am not fond of this comparison, as I believe Israel is far worse than Nazi Germany. Why? Simply because Israel is a democracy. Nazi Germany was not a democracy. The Reichstag was dissolved, the Germans were in no way responsible for the actions committed by the Nazis – apart from those who directly committed a crime or were politically responsible. Israel, by contrast, is a democracy:

Hence every citizen is complicit, as am I, as a British citizen, in the crime currently being committed in Iraq. Obviously, I am not as responsible as Tony Blair or Lord Goldsmith, or perhaps Lord Levy (his no. 1 fundraiser). As for the comparison between Israel and South Africa …. there were massacres [in South Africa] – but there was no genocide, no genocidal politics against blacks. This [however ] is what is taking place in Israel. We all witnessed what happened in Gaza in 2008/2009. At any rate, I do not care for comparisons, yet ….”

These are reflective asides. They are thought-provoking but by no means justify a rejection of communication, the more so as they focus on a concept that could hardly be more humane.

Gilad Atzmon Speech Transcription

(the transcription was lightly edited to make it readable)

Good afternoon. I’m honoured to be here. In fact, I wasn’t planning to be here, but as it happens, I have a concert nearby.  I’m delighted to take part in this platform with such incredible people. I think that you have managed to gather some of the most profound and eloquent intellectuals, speakers, and activists to speak on this very important issue.

I usually manage to say everything I want to say in just a few words because I do not hold back. I have a reputation for being a ‘suicidal activist’.

We all agree about the principle of one state. We all agree that this is probably the only ethical and universal approach to the crisis. And we all agree that this is the right course towards peace. But somehow we tend to forget, or to dismiss the fact that the word ‘universal’ is actually very foreign to Jewish culture. Jewish culture is tribally oriented. We tend to overlook the clear fact that the notion of ‘peace’, as we know it — a form of reconciliation, or ‘loving your neighbour’ — is very foreign to Jewish culture, and it is definitely an alien concept to Israeli culture. Israelis use the word ‘shalom’ — you have heard the word ‘shalom’ before — however, ‘shalom’ doesn’t mean peace: ‘Shalom’ actually means security to the Jews. And only for the Jews. It’s a very different concept.

Shockingly enough, Zionism started out as a very interesting project: Its intention was to ‘civilise’ the Jews. This is not Gilad Atzmon speculating now – the following is actually from Theodor Herzl, the founder of political Zionism — Herzl said, ‘We (the Jews) want to be people like all other people,’ which means, we want to transcend ourselves beyond a tribal ideology. We want to understand what peace is all about. We want to be authentic; to live on ‘our’ land, to work, and so on. It was quite a nice idea — except for the fact that it was at the expense of another people.  Probably this planet was not the right place for the Jewish State; simply because the notion of loving your neighbour, was, and still is, foreign to the culture.  This is why Christ is such an interesting revelation. Christ basically argued : ‘Everything is fine; let us just accept the fact that we are all brothers and sisters.’

Today we want to pursue with the harmonious agenda, and as I understood from listening to Ilan Pappe and Ali Abunimah,  we are becoming a mass movement in spite of our politicians who betray us on a regular basis, and not just in regard to Palestine.  Look at our economy — Palestine is only one part of the story. The Zionification of Western politics is a disaster. The Zionist wars we end up fighting in is something no one dares to talk about. The war in Iraq has so far cost the life of million and half Iraqis, and it is not that complicated to trace the Israeli role in setting off this devastating event. And I think that now, more and more people are starting to see it, clearly.

Here is the only concept we can deliver to the Israelis, and it is very simple. We have heard already about comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. But I don’t like these comparisons, because I truly think that Israel is far worse than Nazi Germany. Why do I believe so? Because Israel is a democracy. Nazi Germany was not a democracy; the Reichstag had been dissolved. The Germans had zero responsibility for acts that were committed by Nazis — apart of course from those who were directly perpetrating a crime, or were politically leading it. However, Israel is a democracy — and therefore, every citizen is complicit.   Every citizen is complicit, as much as I am complicit, as a British citizen, in the crime that is being committed in Iraq, right now. I am not as responsible as Tony Blair, or Lord Goldsmith, or perhaps Lord Levy, who acted as Blair’s number one fund-raiser — but I am still responsible.

Another common comparison is the comparison between Israel and South Africa. However, South Africans didn’t kill – yes, there were massacres — but there was no genocide, or genocidal policy against blacks. Yet that is what is happening in Israel. We can all remember too well what happened in Gaza in 2008 – 2009.

However much I don’t like comparisons, I think that it is the fear of the Israelis, and the hysteria regarding the delegitimisation of Israel, that may, at last, bring Israelis to the point of realising that they are going to have to live with Palestinians — in one state.

And that is the most important thing I can tell you today.

Israelis are now imprisoned — imprisoned by Palestinian future kindness. No-one can forgive the Israelis for what they do; not the British, nor the French, nor the Germans.

The only people that will ever be able to forgive them — are the Palestinians. For Israelis, to get amnesty, they have to start to think, right now — because they are doomed to live in this society. This is an irreversible process now. It will be one state, and we have to make sure that the Israelis understand it. They must understand that every crime they are committing in the present — will make them subject to future Palestinian kindness.

Thank you very much

Gilad Atzmon

10 Replies to “GILAD ATZMON: Truth in Stuttgart, Israel Worse Than Nazi Germany”

  1. Gilad Atzmon is a very sick puppy. But he has acquired an impressive following by promoting the lies of antisemitism and anti-zionism, which if he wanted to be honest about it are the same thing.
    What a pathetic man who feels he has to desert the great traditions of his forefathers to contribute to the lies of a Palestinian nation that never existed and the anti Jewish filth that has become popular in Europe.
    To compare Jews to Nazis would suggest that he is either mentally ill or a complete imbecile.
    It is surprising that an American Veterans website would publish such garbage.
    It makes one wonder what Americans fought and died for.

  2. Israel will never want peace. It is a predatory farce-and-fraud talmudic cancer that implies that,in short,these madmen are ordered by “god” to “own” the world and “eradicate or enslave” the other peoples.Only the dismantlement of the jewish entity frankeisteinian-error,as Marshall had tried to prevent,can bring peace and harmony back to the world. The Rothschilds’ 600 trillions dollars false-flag-wars fortune and looting of the last 200 years must be returned to an environmental and thirld world rehabilitation fund. Jews who renounce judaism can be resettled in Birobidjan . The rest can be parked in a Gaza size psychiatric ghetto in Antarctica to give them the change of their coin and a dose of their own medicine . (let this apply:“You should want for yourselves what you wanted for others..”). For top intel on the rat-cat mossad black-ops in mideast and elsewhere go to http://www.aangirfan.blogspot.com

  3. As I’m writing this, thousands if not tens of thousands of palestinians are being exterminated in crematoriums and gas chambers.

    People here have lost touch with reality.

  4. I dont know why you think you are complicit in the crime being carried out in Iraq when you are prepared to speak out against it. As a Brit living in Germany I feel no guilt whatsoever about the crimes being carried out by the British Military nor the phoney democracy of Germany, a country in which the peoples thoughts and opinions are still very much controlled.

    You do what you can in the situation you find yourself in and attempt to influence those who you come into contact with. This I do. So do you.

    I see Germany as a Corporist/Marxist society, where left and right work together to create big government that does right by the corporations and gives enough to the people to stop them from revolting. To their credit Germans are very anti-war but this is a result of their history and they have been brainwashed with feelings of guilt and shame since the day they were born and open discussion of what really happened of may have happened, especially the role of The Money Power, is still a no-no.

    1. Well said, Alan!

      As a German expat I would say that Germany of today is in certain respects more a police state than it was before WW2.

      Certain subjects, particularly Holocaust may not be discussed intelligently at all on pain of incarceration for years.
      All National Socialist symbols are forbidden and any positive mention of authentic achievements of NS regime is taboo.

      Genocide of Germans after WW2 (several millions) at the hands of the glorious “Allies”, most particularly the Soviets and Eisenhower are unmentionable.
      Holocaust of all major cities in Germany, most notably the senseless and criminal the incineration and total destruction of Dresden in February 1945 when the city was chock full of refugees from the savage Red Army
      is something discussed in the privacy of some homes (very hush-hush).

      Some people are so thoroughly brain-washed that most are not even aware of it.

      Many intelligent people learn history from American websites and usually avoid discussing anything they have seen there, fearing getting fired or denounced.

      The continual American occupation is, unlike in Japan, not something the “free press” are fond of writing about.

      To sum up: This is in some respects a very totalitarian society. I am afraid what happens when or if the self-appointed censors loose their power to censor and punish. They do too!

  5. Fantastic work from Mr. Atzmon — I see he is also favourably mentioned on Ricahrd Falk’s blogs —

    http://richardfalk.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/stuttgart-declaration-on-palestine-with-short-commentary/

    Solid people like Richard Falk and John Pilger support Atzmon, without hesitation, as do artists like Robert Wyatt. More and more fair minded people know he is reflecting what the majority of the public think.

    Writing on Atzmon, Pilger commented : ” proof of the murderous, racist toll of Zionism has been an epiphany for many people; justice for the Palestinians, wrote the expatriate Israeli musician Gilad Atzmon, is now “at the heart of the battle for a better world”.

    However, his fellow Jews in western countries, such as Britain and Australia, whose influence is critical, are still mostly silent, still looking away, still accepting, as Nurit said, the “brainwashing and reality distortion”.

    And yet the responsibility to speak out could not be clearer, and the lessons of history – family history for many – ensure that it renders them culpable should their silence persist.”

    http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2010/03/pilger-israel-rami-nurit

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