BREAKING NEWS: UN Vote on Full Libya Intervention – Veterans Today Tried To Head It Off

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And so does the Arab League, Lebanon, Britain, France,  John Kerry, Human Rights Watch…and a growing list.


*** Update: 03-19-11, 9:45 EST.  Tragic comedy unfolding in Libya. Tripoli accepts ceasefire while bombarding Misrata and launching night attacks on Benghazi and shelling the city now. Rebel jet shot down over Benghazi. Foreign ministry send out letters and a request  for oil workers to return as the country is ‘returning to normal’.  Germany and Turkey to supply ‘No fly zone’ logistics support. NFZ participants meeting in Paris as I type. We suspect they are working out final command responsibilities and initial targeting list. VT suspects that micromanagement could severely hamper the robust flexibility a field cmdr would need to respond to a ‘fluid’ situation. This is another big people killer for which politician accept no responsibility. ***

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Dear Folks, This additional ‘we told you so’ piece is not about stroking our egos, but about saving the Libyan revolution and the momentum of ridding Libya of its Neanderthal dictator and his corrupt regime. This by no means guarantees that democratic reform will keep them free, as elite corruption has rendered that institution a sock puppet for international  mobsters, loyal to no country, or people…only to themselves.

Modern democracies are very talented at repression. They just have a different game, something we will be detailing in future articles.  Gaddafi was able to play America and its “feet of clay” president like a 50 cent harmonica.  The neocon’s and their oil money friends were always with Gaddafi, the brutal dictator with deep pockets, Gaddafi who funded Sarkozy, Gaddafi who funded through his corporate connections, a dozen or more congressional races, all behind GOP candidates.

From The Australian:

Colonel Gaddafi’s son Saif said yesterday Libya had secretly paid for Mr Sarkozy’s 2007 campaign and now wants its money back from “this clown”.

“Sarkozy must first give back the money that he took from Libya to finance his electoral campaign,” Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said.

“We have all the details and are ready to reveal everything. The first thing we want this clown to do is to give the money back to the Libyan people.”

Gaddafi financed alot of “clowns,” bought and paid for.  What we have been reading and seeing in the media and hearing from pundits, the endless games, this has been Gaddafi calling in his markers.

Gaddafi, with his “rented” friends from Israel, tens of thousands of mercenaries and the full backing of AIPAC, the propaganda and espionage arm of Israeli intelligence in America, has managed to control American public opinion for three vital weeks.  Aided by progressives, “liberals” and self-hating Americans banded together with big oil and the neocons, this “marriage from hell” has worked hard  to keep the a brutal Cold War relic in power.

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Gordon Duff

Veterans Today took its Libyan stand on February 25th with Gordon Duff’s America Must Attack Gadaffi Now.  We were immediately attacked for this stance with the usual ‘war mongering-imperialist’ taunts, despite a very plain English motivation, which acknowledged well known and well criticized past American disastrous Mideast  and NearEast foreign policy.

“America feels it no longer has moral authority to act for decent democracy loving people, not since the brutal and mindless acts of the Bush administration.  We can’t allow an era of criminality to define America as a castrated giant”…Gordon Duff.

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Veterans Today has a large number of staff writers and extensive world wide military and intelligence sources, many of them older folks who have had front row seats to slow motion train wrecks where unnecessary carnage was the result.  We at VT have an old fashioned concept that leadership actually requires getting out in front of issues, not sitting back with the proverbial finger in the air and reacting to them.  On the 25th we saw the fiddling as Lybia burned as virtually a certainty.

We planted our flag so it would be there to look back on a few weeks, months or years later. Events proved us right. On March 11th, I thought is was time to torment our detractors with a followup: Veterans Today was Right.

” But what has happened now  is the old deer in the headlights syndrome. Obama … miscalculated. We gave the crazy man with tons of money time to regroup and plan his counterattack. Thousands more Libyans will die now. Oil could go up to $150 a barrel….Media video clips [of rebel units] showed no fire control whatsoever, nor officers or noncoms present to effect any discipline.”…Jim Dean

Within 12 hours of this being posted there were no more video clips being aired showing the faces, disorganization and poor tactics being used by the rebels which had been a dream come true for the Tripoli people planning their counter offensive.  After 24 hours we began to

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see some mass media beginning to mention that the ‘deer in the headlights’ endless international discussions were revealing an multi week window for Gadaffi to counterattack.  International media, military and intelligence entities are a major part of our readership. We did all we could to turn the light on and save some wasted carnage.

Here are some excerpts from the NY Times today:

The administration, which remains deeply reluctant to be drawn into an armed conflict in yet another Muslim country, is nevertheless backing a resolution in the Security Council that would give countries a broad range of options for aiding the Libyan rebels, including military steps that go well beyond a no-flight zone.

Administration officials — who have been debating a no-flight zone for weeks — concluded that such a step now would be “too little, too late” for rebels who have been pushed back to Benghazi. That suggests more aggressive measures, which some military analysts have called a no-drive zone, to prevent Colonel Qaddafi from moving tanks and artillery into Benghazi.

The rapid advance of forces loyal to Colonel Qaddafi, combined with rising calls from the Arab world to prevent a rout of the opposition, has changed the calculations of the administration, which had clung to a belief that interfering in a Middle East uprising could provoke an anti-American backlash.

“The turning point was really the Arab League statement on Saturday,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday to reporters traveling with her in Cairo. “That was an extraordinary statement in which the Arab League asked for Security Council action against one of its own members.”

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Some administration officials voiced the hope that the mere threat of military action could prompt Colonel Qaddafi to show some restraint.

Still, interviews with several administration officials suggested that events on the ground were forcing its hand. “The regime’s military gains have gotten everyone’s attention,” said a senior official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

President Obama is under pressure from both foreign leaders and allies in Congress to take decisive action. The French president, Nicholas Sarkozy, sent a letter to the United States and other members of the Security Council, urging them to vote for the Lebanese resolution authorizing a no-flight zone, saying that the world had only days, or even hours, to head off a Qaddafi victory.

Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he regretted that the debate in Washington over how to respond to Libya had dragged on so long, allowing Colonel Qaddafi to regain his footing.

“I don’t like that we’ve lost this time,” Mr. Kerry said during a speech in Washington. “It’s compacted the choices, diminished the options. And it’s changed the state of play somewhat.”

So folks, that is a lot of confirmation that we are now in a much worse situation for resolving this with less bloodshed than on Feb 25th or even March 11th.  But to ease any ‘who is going to pay for its concerns’ you will read below that the frozen Libyan funds could be used for this…along with foreign (Arab) soldiers. I am still surprised that with the mercenaries that Gadaffi has had fighting for weeks now that, the fiddle players still find rebel trained manpower support a delicate subject.

Among the other measures being proposed by the United States: sending foreign soldiers to Libya to advise the rebels, or financing them with some of the $32 billion belonging to the Qaddafi regime, which have been frozen by the Treasury

Gadaffi and 'daughters' ?

Department. Rebels could use the money to buy weapons, officials said.

Neither of these steps, however, would come in time to stave off an assault by Colonel Qaddafi’s forces on Benghazi.“What everybody is focused on is drawing a line, literally in the sand, around Benghazi, to prevent Qaddafi’s forces from capturing the city and staging a bloodbath,” said Tom Malinowski, the Washington director of Human Rights Watch. “If Qaddafi wins, it could kill the moment in the entire Middle East.” 

The line in the sand that needed to be drawn was a  Gadaffi command and control strike plus neutralizing the air force and naval bombardment capability of the coastal cities. Tripoli’s having brought large mercenary forces into the country to fight the Libyan  rebels was ample moral justification. There has been no fiddle playing by Muammar & Sons.

With the United States already fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the administration is fearful of straining an already overstretched military and of being seen as engaged in nation building in the region. “The United States is pretty busy with two wars, and we don’t want a third,” a senior official said.

Libyan Armor

This was bogus. There will be no third war.  Gadaffi’s forces cannot move where they are exposed to air attack. They can’t even get back to Tripoli or be reinforced.  His ability to do any counter attacking can be eliminated in two days. After that it would be just a process of moving rebel forces back into cities to stop the ongoing purges. With no air cover, no armor or heavy weapons that can be deployed, the mercs will be looking for cars to steal and head for the border. And the palace guard will be planning their next smart play.

This would already be over if we had acted in February. Oil production could have been back to normal by April and price speculation would have ended.  The other brutal regimes would then have had more to think about when it came to violent repression of the freedom movements.

Israel Lobby helping Gadaffi & Sons

We shall see what the hypocritical American regime does about the Saudi backed violence against the very peaceful protesters there. Don’t be shy folks about calling the Saudi, Bahrain, and don’t forget the UAE embassies and give them an earful. And I would suggest you think about pressure on the UN for sanctions against them.  I am wondering if at their next meeting the Gulf Arabs are going to vote to intervene against themselves, and ask our support. More on that later.

We have confirmed that the Israeli Lobby has made their muscle available to Gadaffi & Sons and will have more on that later.  There is a growing consensus in military and intelligence services around the world for regime change in Israel due to their continued offensive operations in numerous conflicts, where one of their major tools are terrorist attacks. It’s an international scandal for the U.S. as we have been aware of it for ages and say nothing, thereby becoming an aider and abettor, which justly exposes us to retribution attacks under the Bush doctrine.

UPDATE: Breaking News:

A source at UN headquarters in New York said military forces could be deployed “within hours” of a new security council resolution calling for states to protect civilians by halting attacks by Muammar Gaddafi’s forces by air, land and sea.

The resolution would impose a no-fly zone over Libya – but a no-fly zone was no longer enough, the source said. “The resolution authorizes air strikes against tank columns advancing on Benghazi or engaging naval ships bombarding Benghazi,” he said.



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92 Responses to "BREAKING NEWS: UN Vote on Full Libya Intervention – Veterans Today Tried To Head It Off"

  1. Jim W. Dean  March 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I resemble that remark! 🙂 In Massachusetts they missed the sausage part…were only aware of the actor. I had a nice chat with the sausage Jimmy Dean back around 1980, a real down to earth guy.

    Where was I when Gaza was going on? Not an active VT writer it you check the dates of my material. I has not occurred to me what other people are doing while I spent the weekend on VT stuff. I assume they are going about their normal business, many of them stuggling, and don’t need me to be judging their non activities and playing Mr. Head up by butt.

    Ingrid, I enjoyed my Netherlands posting years ago, staying up in Zaadam, with the Peter the Great statute. And then there was the Van Gogh and Riks Museums, which I woud have taken up permanent residence if they allowed.

    Gordon has a huge collection of European and Balkan tour photos, lots of off the main path stuff. He could do a whole website just on that.

    Also had my first VE day touring the Brige Too Far movie combat route, mainly the Nimeigen Bridge and the Arhnem ones. Ended up at the Arhnem cemetery, absolutely beautiful and got adpoted by some Brit Paratroopers who were short on transportation. What a stroke of luck that turned out to be, my first real day having personal combat stories hitting me like a damn break. I did not know then they were getting me ready for being here.

    You folks need to take a break…some rock and roll to chill you out a bit.
    Allow me:

  2. Gordon Duff  March 20, 2011 at 7:09 am

    You are two steps behind in the game.

  3. kraqus  March 19, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    And the Operation it’s been called “Odyssey Dawn”….
    There….in your face right under your nose..
    Still doubt WHO is behind all this?


  4. kraqus  March 19, 2011 at 10:21 am


    They started the Operation right on time…. 😉


  5. Ken Rechtstein  March 19, 2011 at 8:59 am

    They did not for a good reason: Their goal is to destruct the social tissue of Libya-create the necessary chaos to fractionate the country and fabricate a situation where “would be politicians” can be easily bought-manipulated into fighting each other and thus acting as puppets for foreign interests.

    There is a rebellion going on in Côte d’Ivoire. Neither USA-F-GB nor the UN are interested in what is happening there: Ivory Coast main produce is cacao… No oil, no infrastructure…

  6. conspirosphere  March 19, 2011 at 5:32 am

    It would not have been better to “pull a Reagan option” of just assassinate Gaddafi by a few missiles and drones?

  7. Egoigwe  March 19, 2011 at 4:15 am

    Oh, no, no Ingrid, not me. I don’t have any beef with the MB. It’s the US and their propaganda machine, the MSM, that’s been demonizing them forever. Question is; how come after decades of branding them as deadly terrorists and fundamentalists, America is now ever so eager to run into their embrace? What changed that we didn’t know or hear of?

    I was trying to spell “hypocrites” in vivid colors.

  8. Ken Rechtstein  March 19, 2011 at 4:01 am

    The core issue that expose the hysterical hypocrisy of the New Zion Talmudic lead Coalition against Libya to steal its wealth is best and clearly expressed in the following by Joe Clifford, in article he wrote for Salem-News:

    Why is the US so concerned with the plight of the Libyans when we recently killed over one million innocent Iraqi? He asks, and I agree totally with him.

    (JAMESTOWN, R.I.) – While the British have been caught red handed with a small contingent of military sneaking into Libya, the US continues to build up and get prepared for a military intervention as well.

    One has to wonder why? The administration would argue that military intervention might be needed to protect the people of Libya; despite the rebels having made it abundantly clear on many recent occasions they do not want, or need outside intervention.

    Mainstream media laments for the people of Libya, but do they really care? There apparently have been several hundred Libyans killed by Qaddafi forces and media justifiably weeps.

    Yet in 2009 when Israel began a massive bombing campaign of Gaza slaughtering innocents who were imprisoned in walled city with no possible escape, the slaughter went on for days, and not a word of protest, lament, or sorrow, for the victims of Gaza from either mainstream media or the administration.

    The US watched silently while American supersonic bombers killed over 1,400 innocent people who were trapped, and not a word about a no-fly zone. One third of the dead were children. The most sophisticated weapons in the world, including rockets, missiles, tanks, white phosphorus, against defenseless Gazans with no air force, army, navy, or weapons to defend themselves from the onslaught.

    Israel’s U.S.-backed war crimes against the civilians of Gaza included the use of white phosphorous and depleted uranium (DU) that are expressly forbidden under intl. law.

    It was one of the biggest mismatches in military history, and all the while the US remained silent. During the Israeli onslaught, schools, (including a UN school resulting in 46 children dead) hospitals, police stations, and churches were among the 22,000 buildings that were destroyed, all of which are illegal targets, and therefore war crimes.

    Hypocritically the US is now insisting the pro Qaddafi forces guilty of atrocities should be held accountable, yet remained silent and therefore complicit in one of the most one-sided and cold blooded military assaults ever.

    Many argue Israel has the fifth strongest military force in the world, much of which is paid for by US taxpayers without their knowledge, while Gaza has no military at all and no place to hide from the vicious assault.

    Israel lost its moral compass and American Jews must subject themselves to a conscience examination, for they now stand in opposition to all the traditional values of the Jewish people. Their silence makes them complicit.

    So no outrage, no protest, no sanctions, no UN actions against Israel, while all of the above are being applied to Libya.

    Read more:

  9. Erica Stuart  March 18, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    The criticism of Gordon article was not, for many of us, a matter of “if Gaddafi should be stopped” but “HOW”. My opposition was a question of “leader” I firmly believe there is a difference between honorable leadership and a quest for glory. For too many decision makers our position as number one was a bit too much like a ball game, but played with the life of those who had no say on the matter. AND, most of all, we were being used and abused like a cleaver con games. It is time for other nations to participate in building a livable world. Obama, for those who have not read him well, is determined to let the world know the UN was established for all to participate and use but also to serve.
    As I stated then Gaddafi must be brought to justice but it must be a common effort via the UN, not one more “let the USA do it”
    And as we see Obama waited them out and it will be a lesson in a global fight for justice not an ego trip as number one leader.
    However what Gordon did was alert the public we are fighting Israel’s handling as with Mubarak, not Gaddafi, this country of ours is still deaf and blind there even after Gen. Petraeus described the consequences to our troops. So, lets help the Media get louder, some are trying stating “Israel wants no changes, they want to keep the status quo” Of course….

  10. Burgermeister  March 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    While I understand the old “Cold War” sentiments expressed here, I have also come to understand that that entire thing was a momentous fraud perpetuated upon the gullible American people. As for Gaddafi, he reminds me of another past friend of America (via the Skull and Bones CIA club), a certain Generalissimo Noriega whom simply knew too much. And much like the good general, I think Gaddafi is slated to be either killed or held incommunicado. Also, look for his sons to be demonized and/or eliminated like Saddam’s (Machiavelli anyone?). I think “they” are using a recycled script and why not, it continues to work. As for the “no fly zone”, just like any embargo, it is an act of war. And acts of war lead to you know…retaliation. Let us all stop pretending that “we” have a dog in this fight. This is all about oil and Israel. Unless of course, we want to finally admit that we are an Empire. Sadly, our military has become nothing more than cheap source of expendable mercenaries. The least VT should do is ask our tyrants for a raise and a cut of the spoils. Now that would really be supporting our troops.

  11. Alton  March 18, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Wonder if In-Bev is going to get any ‘No bid contracts’ on this? Current value 36.3 Billion. They numba 1 brew company in da world.

  12. Doug  March 18, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Whoa! I appreciate the info on this site and the ability to go down the proverbial
    ‘Rabbitt Hole’. I appreciate the military perspective as this is an inherent factor in understanding the nature of the national upheavals occurring around the planet. I dont think we need to attack one another personally as it offers nothing to the ‘truth’ which I hope we all are here searching. I still have to say, I cannot trust our government to do anything related to international conflict. Mr. Obama as our ‘presidential puppet’ is not going to stand for truth anywhere that it is not allowed by his handlers. He is nothing like Martin Luther King or JFK. He will not stand for freedom or justice as he is busy rubber stamping the last vestiges of the ‘destruction of our Republic’. Gaddafi will fall, the man appears drugged and deranged. It wont be long before he self destructs and his confidants turn against him. Israel, The U.S., France, Great Britain are busy setting up a leader to fill his shoes. Hell, only a few years ago the U.S. sent a missile to his residence without any U.N. approval We need a regime change here in the U.S. and a return to a government by the people for the people, etc. Then we can assist others in establishing a basis for a Democratic, freedom based government. Best wishes for Peace, Doug

  13. Go11Bravo  March 18, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    By the way, The Fench did this before. Does anybody remember in 1979 when they sent the Ayatollah Khomeiny back to Iran hoping for a good cut? He was a guest in France for years under the Shah. Another little known opposition figure. Boy, that worked out well for the Iranians, didn’t it?

  14. Go11Bravo  March 18, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Or maybe just up their demands until they have made them so unacceptable Gaddafi won’t be able to comply. Obama’s demands are a long way from even their bogus UN Resolution.

  15. Go11Bravo  March 18, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    This is madness. Nobody knows anything about this opposition or where it came from except that its president is …Gaddafi’s Justice Minister! And where has anybody seen anything about democracy in the rebellion? Oh, did I hear and “Allah o Akbar”?

    The Oil Monarchies want to help oust Gaddafi because he spent much of his time trying to undo them. So they don’t like each other. Why is that my problem?

    What is happening in Libya is tribal and that too is NOT my problem.

    When has it ever been good for people to have the US, France and UK come in to ‘help’ them? This is Suez all over again. “It’s the oil, stupid!”

    In the film Mars Attacks, the little green men run around killing people while saying “Don’t run. We’re your friends.” and “We come in peace.”

    Sarkozy’s spokesman, Baroin, called Gaddafi a “Terrorist Dictator”. When did he discover that? I mean the French ahve been breaking down the doors to sell him weapons for three years. Didn’t the French sell Gaddafi Crotale anti-aircraft missiles last year?

    Perhaps, this is another ‘War the Dog’ moment.

    This is nothing but imperialist hypocracy. No foreign intervention in Libya!

  16. pilgrim  March 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    I like this site,I really do,but I just don’t know what to make of this article(also the attack piece on Dr Andrew Wakefield,doubting vaccines,plus no comments).Is Kaddafi in league with the oil companies,the US and Israel or is he the mortal enemy of them who must be overthrown immediatly.
    First they talk of no fly zones as he’s killing his people,but I thought the rebels rebelled,took up arms and started attacking the government and the majority,only they miscalculated and are getting their asses kicked.I don’t understand why it’s the responsibility of the US and NATO to now invade supporting a group of equally thuggish thugs.Continous war is killing the west,FACT.
    I worry about the motives of people hwo can so easily advocate invading another country after Iraq and Afganistan,haven’t we seen enough death?
    Israel wouldn’t be propping up a regime the US is trying to overthrow,thats nonsensical.
    For all faults Kaddafi is a nationalist,slowly developing his countries infrastructure and preventing western ‘democracy’,neo-liberal free markets and horrendous exploitation while the rebels will be western puppets privatising national assets,oil,water,money and threats buying foreign control of the country.
    I wonder if the US will support the rebels of Libya and then support the Saudi regime in crushing a similar rebellion,after all Saudi has shit loads of oil,is loyal and buys boatloads of USA weapons.
    The politicking is really stinking now!
    Let the hypocracy and disinfo flow!

  17. kraqus  March 18, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    “Where were Mr Jim Dean when the Gazeans women and children were being slaughtered by Israel,just before Obama took office, or when the Lebanese people were being shelled day and night by Israel?”

    at a Ball probably… 😉


  18. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    … meanwhile, Tunisia refuses ‘coalition of the willing’ airspace rights for no-fly zone sorties. Unforeseen forces starting to unravel, like I promised? Tunisians protest in front of US Embassy shouting “Hilary Degage!”; “Hilary get out!!”

  19. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    The words you are searching for, Ken, are false flag operation.

  20. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    … and a well known Muslim Brotherhood affiliate.

  21. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Couldn’t be put any better! Excellently said.

  22. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    He just doesn’t let up Ingrid… I do believe what blows around comes around. It just may be at a neighborhood near you Gordon.

  23. Ken Rechtstein  March 18, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Tell the Pakistani that the US-NATO Drones attacks are blissful and a good protection of the Pakistani People: I am sure they will be glad to hear that.

    Thanks for telling us that the Mirage F1, MIG-23 and Sukhois are “obsolete”… there goes in fumes your pretended familiarity with military equipments.

    You should apply for a job at NATO to tell them how to plan an organize military ops, they surely will appreciate your skills.

  24. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Nureddin Sabir,

    1) The precedent and correct procedure regarding the protection of civilians is peacekeeping with U.N peacekeepers on ground to buffer. You cannot protect civilians from the sky, it requires boots on the ground to effect. Pakistan is a perfect example at hand, you are going to have drones zipping all over Libya, degrading it and causing untold mayhem to its populace. You don’t impose a no-fly zone merely for the protection of civilians who themselves may become causalities of ‘friendly’ fire. The imposition of a no-fly zone is a legal pretext, sponsored by the paymasters of the U.N to confer undue advantage to a usurping entity and place under thumb of control coveted resources.

    2) What would that huge difference be Nureddin? That one allows for the massive degradation of a nation with little or no costs in lives to the airborne oppressors or the other option of boots on ground which places them in harm’s way? Well, if you are Libyan, you must know by now that foreign boots are on Libyan soil as we speak; Egyptian/UK special forces et al. The Americans need no mention, they have been on ground for years via their CIA. Not wanting them is one thing, doing something about it is another.

    3) Ok, but they are there already, necessary or not!

    4) Granted; so what is the West terrified off? Busting up the oil wells and refineries? Thank you anyways, for confirming the hype about Qaddafi’s elite units, guards and army to be mere propaganda and spin that allowed for the presentation of a bigger ‘problem’ and ‘threat’ which in turn excused the kind of intervention we now all witness.

    5) Wouldn’t you think the kitchen is boiling over already? I don’t see the meltdown quite yet. Mercenaries, dear chap, are on both sides of the divide and beyond.

    6) Oops! Where did the Israelis go all of a sudden… and the Neo-cons in Congress?

    7 & 8) So, you make it clear that there is a much bigger reason for imposing a no-fly zone. Clearly, the threat won’t be coming from obsolete coffins in the sky with basic avionics that could all be taken out in a heartbeat.

    Nureddin, you appear to be making the case that there is absolutely no reason for a no-fly zone even if you may not know it. The question is why impose one? To get a clearer picture, one needs to read “no-fly zone” in conjunction with the “all means necessary” clause, then a pretty good impression arrives.

    ‘The coalition of the willing’ has been given a pretty free hand to do as they please over your country buddy, and it’s going to start with massive degradation and reconstruction which Libya’s oil will pay for. That, dear friend, is going to put Libya way down in the hole as interests outstrip debt owed. Then comes IMF conditionality and the gradual starvation and dehumanizing of the Libyan people. Qaddafi’s regime would feel like heavens. Overseeing payments would be a most brutal dictator for the Libyan people and believe me when I tell you the search is on for one. Think about it and, like me, you’ll see there’s nothing to celebrate. It’s ominous time all around buddy!

  25. Ken Rechtstein  March 18, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    The Libyan Govt has just called cease-fire… What will the warmongers do now, force Gaddafi to “assault” Benghazi?

    Or trick him to do so, like the USA did with Saddam Hussein, to induce him in invading Kuwait?

  26. Ken Rechtstein  March 18, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    If Israel is supporting Gaddafi and the AIPAC is doing all those bad things to the US Citizens, would not the first priority be to go against the AIPAC and Israel?

    Seems that the border line is: “OK to criticize both the AIPAC and Israel, but ASKING FOR STRONG and MILITARY ACTION against the two ENTITIES is KINJURU!

    Where were Mr Jim Dean when the Gazeans women and children were being slaughtered by Israel,just before Obama took office, or when the Lebanese people were being shelled day and night by Israel?

  27. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    I was thinking exactly the same thing Ingrid 🙂

  28. Egoigwe  March 18, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Thank you too TJ, it is important that people understand what’s going on in Libya. Personally, I think it’s time for Qaddafi to move on, way past that time, but for America and the UK/France to use him as a pretext for robbing the Libyan people blind is just going to stir things up badly. There are all sorts of forces at play in Libya as America will soon find out.

    This rally around Benghazi, spearheaded by the US/UK and France, and the pulling of that ‘victim’ card presents an act of pure desperation on their side. Can you imagine the US/UK and France opting to deal with fundamentalists rather Qaddafi? Whatever happened to the devil you know? Benghazi is fundamentalist and they know it! It’s Muslim Brotherhood and they know that too! It is for precisely this reason that there is an Egyptian connection.

    It is the same story in Egypt, Mubarak is gone and the ‘Brotherhood’ is in control. Just how long does the US think this relationship will survive before their true fundamentalist colors start to show? Israel must be pissing in their pants. America went to dinner with the devil and forgot to bring a long spoon along.

    On the other hand, Benghazi (population: slightly below 1 million people) cannot even be said to be representative of the Libyan people, it represents a little less than 20% of the population. How does it figure that what Benghazi wants is what Libya wants? The talk is not about saving Libya but Benghazi, home to their most trusted assets. The No-Fly zone isn’t about protecting civilians, it is about having an eye in sky to overlook the oil wells and refineries, controlling maritime traffic and the flow of oil out of Libya.

    The US/UK are setting up a provisional government based on what the crowd in Benghazi want. Clearly, it is an imposition on the Libyan people. Nothing has been subjected to a referendum of any kind. Tripoli ( population: over 2 million people) is locked out of discussions and negotiations as well as a greater percentage of the tribes across the country.

    Again, the US has come and cast its spell of destruction and prolonged warfare on the Libyan people, like it does everywhere oil flows. It figures to maintain a more brutal kind of dictatorship, dependent on their arms for survival, would afford them more control over such a tyranny but my gut feeling is they are in for the shock of their lives.

  29. kraqus  March 18, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Denys Picard is telling it like it is….
    Thank you for your comment.


  30. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 11:23 am

    few issues have made my head spin like this one
    we can keep people best we can and watch the wolves devour the dead
    (and the slow__)

  31. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 11:22 am

    waiting…a mistake
    and, as we both know, the only losers will be the dead
    gaddafi will not be one of them

  32. AS  March 18, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Gordon that’s an open front … what they want is to channelize their ground ennemies in endless battle and upt between Israel and north African front a second military line… Libyan knew this and were reparing for this…this hollywood bad movie was put in place to make sure the opposition not in the control of israel and her western stooges could not have direct access to oil, gas money… the libyan understood it… the second fact is that algerian and egyptian refused to engage and qatar said yes… financialy… iraq scenario played again.. what was the reason… it is obvious that the libyan money will refund the banks in EU in total crisis and France, UK, Israel banks… Al Qaeddafi clone worked until his last minute to make sure libyan will never get access to their wealth…

    we knew this from day 1

  33. Alan  March 18, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I mostly agree except that the main power is still with The Money Power, the banking families, and not Israel. Israel is part ot the network but not the centre of power.

  34. kraqus  March 18, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I am glad to see there are still men with REAL BALLS.
    Ken O’Keefe is one of them, maybe you warmongers should all learn from him.
    You can find this letter at Ken O’Keefe’s blog. I am not posting the URL as it will go into “moderation”….you can easily find it yourself.


    Make no mistake Joe, I am so buried with several projects that I just cannot keep up, otherwise I would have already made this clear.

    Regarding Libya, I am once again struck by the gullibility of people who buy into a no fly zone or any level of Western intervention being a good thing for the people of Libya and indeed our world. The Western powers, especially the ones leading the charge, the US, Britain and France, are colonial/imperial powers who have always, always raped and pillaged the lands they have entered. And yes, they do intend to enter Libya. If we are so stupid as to buy into the idea that these nations simply want to help the people of Libya, then I say we remain the most stupid species to ever walk the Earth.

    Where was the no fly zone during Operation Cast Lead? A completely defenceless population in Gaza was bombarded by the fourth largest military in the world, in which they were provided no means of escape, a population with more than 800,000 children, and Obama, Bush, the disgustingly treasonous US government never so much as uttered the words “no fly zone”; and now these same criminals care about Libyan’s!

    As for the Arab League, what is the Arab League, it is a collection of corrupt puppets who mostly do the bidding of their Western paymasters. They also serve to give the appearance of some level of autonomy in the Arab world, but this is just a ruse. Sometimes they say some pretty words, just like their Western puppet brethren, but they are hollow and corrupt to the core. To support a no fly zone because the Arab League has asked for it is to be manipulated, it is just that simple.

    For those who say we must act in order to save the lives of those in the crosshairs of Gaddafi, that was the same basic argument why we invaded Iraq as well. Saddam killing, torturing his people, “we must liberate”, what a joke. I say to those duped once again, lives may be spared in Libya in the short term, but be sure that the tyrants could care less about these people, it is the oil they covet and the no fly zone and attacks on Gaddafi are merely the prelude to the same old story of rape and pillage. In the end more will die if the West comes to “help” the people of Libya, 1.5 million liberated/murdered Iraqi’s are the most recent proof of what is really going on.

    What the tyrants really fear is what I really hope for, a Libya completely free of Western influence and manipulation, a Libya with true Muslim leadership, honourable leadership that cannot be bought. Nationalized oil that benefits all the people in the form of first rate infrastructure, education, healthcare and so on. If the people of Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, etc., win their battles on their own terms, and we in the West extract our grubby hands from the booty, they will be just fine. In fact they will be free of the Western tyranny that has been at the heart of the injustice and suffering they have known ever since oil was found beneath their feet.

    The definition of insanity is to keep repeating oneself and expecting a different result. Rather than insisting that we the White Horse of heroism from the West comes to the rescue, we should be insisting that we get our blood soaked hands off of everything outside our lands and start cleaning up our own house, which is, for those remaining blind, a bloody mess of corruption and inequity.

    We in the West do not even take care of our own people, multi-billionaires and deep poverty side by side, house foreclosures in concert with trillions of dollars being handed to the banksters. These bastard banksters are the ultimate rape and pillage machine, and they are salivating over Libya.

    On a brighter note, I am so happy and inspired to see the youth increasingly aware of these things, because we adults remain so completely uselessly duped on so many levels.

    I hope that is clear enough Joe, I will not generally respond to outside demands for my time as I work hard enough as it is and I cannot do all that I wish, but I respect you and agree that it is right for me to be clear on this issue.

    To even things out a bit, since the US taxpayer enjoys buying and supplying Israel with fighter jets used to murder the air defenceless population of Gaza, which happens to include 800,000 plus children, I suggest the US taxpayer also commence to shooting Israeli/American jets out of the sky over Palestine. Why not?

  35. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 9:02 am

    ah…dating…i knew it would come to that

  36. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 9:02 am

    and, michael, yes…we have some readers who are total morons…absolute tools
    duh on that one

  37. Jim Dean  March 18, 2011 at 9:01 am

    America ‘intervening’ is a straw issue. It is coming out now that much of the delay was getting everybody on board to avoid this tag. Of course that has no effect on the one issue folks.

    We ran into the same thing when we exposed wikileaks as an intel black ops. Rather than be happy that we had access to folks who had written reports that they saw altered, some of whom are on the writing staff, you would have thought we had cancelled Xmas holiday in certain circles.

    Press TV: ‘This should have been done weeks ago an savee a lot of lives.’…hardly a NeoCon bunch or wanting to justify an intervention precedent.

    Gadaffi & Sons were running a press conference this morning accepting the ceasefire WHILE they were shelling Misarata. He made another mistake. News in now that the ‘threat of attacking civilians is a trigger for counter measures. The dummies have already triggered airstrikes on their armor around towns under seige.

    This thing is going to roll out on its own now. When it is over and the new folks get their hands on the internal documents we will be justified even more. We are betting on it.

    Now its time for Bahrain which is going up this morning.

  38. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 9:01 am

    You are a guest here.
    Remember that.

  39. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 9:00 am

    disaster happened
    the worst possible
    and…some remained silent while gaddafi and his brit and US oil company friends and his israeli mercenaries killed thousands
    ….think gaza

  40. Gordon Duff  March 18, 2011 at 8:58 am

    actually, the neocons were running interference for israel…the israel lobby. game theory. put the thinking cap on.
    note that they silenced themselves and changed sides when orders came from tel aviv
    neocon and israel…means the same thing

  41. Debbie Menon  March 18, 2011 at 7:27 am

    @ Nureddin Sabir

    The UN security Council decision to protect Libyan civilians is the right decision.

    Thanks for chiming in here Sabir. This is reassuring to know.
    Also information on the Qaddafi elite units is helpful.

  42. Denys Picard  March 18, 2011 at 6:27 am

    What Americans have to fear now and for the future: Yesterday was the first time in its history that the United Nations took an Offensive Military action. This was the Official launching of the New World Order and the transformation of the UN into the New World Government. Nowhere in its Charter is the UN allowed to intervene into the inner-affairs of a State. What we are witnessing is an insurrection within a State; nothing else. There is no justifiable Humanitarian Crisis whatsoever that justifies the actions implied, and the real motivation, of the UN vote yesterday.

    Like Michel Chossudovsky writes, this is the biggest illegal resource (petroleum) grab we have witness and the first one coordinated by the UN.

    Welcome to Jew World Order.

    The insurrections in Tunisia and Egypt, were from the onset, in preparation of the war against Libya. The western governments had to make sure that Gaddafi could not find support on the East or West. From the start I have commented that these pseudo revolutions were orchestrated by Western Intelligence services, by the corporate elites of the New World Order. It has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, but with indented servitude for 95% of the world’s population.

    American better beware. On the guise of being tough, Obama is betraying Americans in his servitude and submission of the Zionist cause. Can’t people see a pattern emerge? We are about to live, in the next few years, one the worst inflationary period the US will have been true. Yet, the President, and all of the establishment, has asked, gotten or ordered income sacrifices from all of the middle class, and on top of that, is killing collective negotiation and bargaining powers for the future. Obanana is tilting the powers all on one side, on the side of those who have it all. He is raping the Constitution on a daily basis. Sounds like a Pinochet government with Zionist Fascists like Kissinger and Milton Freedman as consultants.

    Obama is at war with the Majority of Americans by serving first and foremost the surrender of American leadership to the ambitions of the Zionists, the Jews and the state of Israel.

    I just hope that the American insurrection is soon coming and will be without mercy for those fat and famous traitors who have killed the American Constitution!!!

    Yesterday was the official end, of what little remained, of the UN and, the first day of the New World Order government.

  43. AnotherAussie  March 18, 2011 at 5:26 am

    This will not pan out well. At this time I am too angry to comment further. We are headed for disaster.

  44. tcarlson  March 18, 2011 at 4:44 am

    I appreciate your point, but it isn’t only CIA/Mossad that got us into this mess. Simple greed plays a big part, too. The big defense contractors just sold $60 billion worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia. They have been doing these deals for decades. Now, the Saudis are using those same weapons on their own people and on those in Bahrain to keep them down. It is hypocrisy to support one ruthless dictator (who just happens to be keeping the oil flowing our way) and threaten to take out another who, at least openly, is not going along with the New World Order. You are right, though… we, the American people, will be the ones reaping the whirlwind.

  45. Nureddin Sabir  March 18, 2011 at 4:00 am

    As a Libyan, I’d like to offer the following comments:

    (1) The UN security Council decision to protect Libyan civilians is the right decision. The protests in Libya started peacefully on 15 February, but within hours the Gaddafi regime started to use mercenaries and battlefield weapons against unarmed civilians. Thereafter the protests took on a different character, with civilians arming themselves for self-defence and to push back Gaddafi’s thugs.

    (2) No one in Libya, absolutely no one, wants US, British, French or NATO troops on the ground. There’s a huge qualitative difference between protection from the air and ground forces. In any case:

    (3) Ground troops will not be needed. Libya is largely a flat, open desert. The main populations centres are on the coast, linked by straight roads. This makes Gaddafi’s forces extremely vulnerable.

    (4) As someone who is very familiar with the Libyan “military” establishment, I am astonished when I read reports about Gaddafi’s “elite units”. There is nothing elite about them, unless you want to compare them with unarmed or hastily-armed and untrained civilians. The US diplomats who referred, in the cables published by WikiLeaks, to the 32nd (“Khamis”) Brigade and other special protection units as “elite” got it all wrong. These units are better armed and equipped compared to others in the country, but they are, in all honesty, a rabble consisting of thugs. They are not real soldiers in any sense, apart from knowing how to pull a trigger, load an artillery piece and drive a tank. There commanders are, at the very best, absolute trash. As for the regular Libyan army, this has been deliberately neglected and weakened by Gaddafi because he didn’t trust them.

    (5) Gaddafi’s “elite” units can be regarded to all intents and purposes as comprising mercenaries. Their “commanders” are not only super-thugs selected for for being brainless yes-men, but also are also fair-weather friends. The moment the kitchen gets too hot, they will melt away and pretend they never had anything to do with Gaddafi.

    (6) Gaddafi himself is a coward. If he hasn’t already gone into hiding, he will do so soon. His friends abroad are Mugabe, Campaore of Burkina Faso and Gbagbo of Ivory Coast.

    (7) A no-flay zone over Libya is a relatively straightforward affair. All that’s needed is about 10 warplanes on permanent patrol and 30-50 backup in nearby bases.

    (8) The Libyan air force is equipped with mostly obsolete Russian-built MiG-23s and Sukhois, and a small number of MiG-29s and French-made Mirage F1s. The pilots are poorly trained, the planes are badly maintained or not maintained at all and the avionics in them are basic.

  46. penlope  March 18, 2011 at 3:36 am

    If he is a part of a Freemasonic conspiration, he has a win-win position. Lybia after that will get more weapons officially, through UNO.

  47. Patrick  March 17, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    If Qadaffy attacks, he loses. If he plays diplomacy and politics, he loses. Crazy Qadaffy is in a lose lose situation. That’s the way it should be.


  48. Debbie Menon  March 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    That said. My gut feeling, Gadaffi has far exceeded his “best use-by date.” He is among the walking dead, and it is a matter of time until he drops, either in pieces, with a hole in him, or something burning in his guts.
    There are too many strong men around him just waiting for an opportunity.

  49. Debbie Menon  March 17, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    @ J.F.E.

    CIA, Mossad, Zionists, Israel, USrael… turn over the logs and the rocks and you will find the same ubiquitous little white squiggle grubs under each and every one of them.

    Allah looks after His fools.

  50. Jim W. Dean  March 17, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Thank you. Jim

  51. Bink  March 17, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Canada is even sending a few F-18’s.

    Let’s leave it at that for now and see what happens.

  52. Bink  March 17, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    That about covers it I guess.
    (wink wink)

  53. A Prien  March 17, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    The only good guys. Although after they are gunned down, it’s okay to pick up the gun. But no OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE. It’s either their revolution, or the whole thing is an imperialist power grab manipulated by the aggressors for their own purposes.


  54. A Prien  March 17, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Exactly. This is a brief for the invasion of Lybia that is exactly like the 24 hour ultimatum Italy issued to the Ottoman Empire on Sep. 28, 1911 “intimating that Italy’s interests in Tripoli made it necessary for the country to undertake, by means of military occupation, a so-called ‘civilizing mission’ in the area” (Peter Smith and Edwin Walker, “War in the Agean: The Campaign in the Eastern Mediterranean in WWII,” p.xiii). Since Europeans launching military campaigns to engage in “civilizing missions” no longer passes any laugh test, we are now treated to justification for launching such missions for humanitarian purposes. So let’s kill them to keep them from being killed.

    Only lunatics can imagine this makes sense. But then, none of this has anything to do with sense. It instead has everything to do with providing a moral fig leaf for naked aggression.


  55. Jim K.  March 17, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Western intelligence controls both sides, Qaddafi and ‘the running rebels”. The unknown mystery centers around the fight inside western intelligence over ideological direction.

  56. Bink  March 17, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Oh. And Yanks.
    It’s ok to support the good guys for a change.
    (Talk about needing a make-over)

  57. Bink  March 17, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Actually – I think you’re giving Barry ‘the Manchurian Candidate’ Obama a bit too much credit here.
    He’s a puppet.

  58. kraqus  March 17, 2011 at 6:55 pm




  59. Jim W. Dean  March 17, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    The NeoCons were on board anyway, from the begining, and all the same talking points. They always telegraph that they are pushing the Israeli line.

    But we also have reports that the Lobby was helping Gadaffi on the political front and also logistics on the mercenaries. So this has them playing both ends of the deal. While some might feel this is strange, it is not…with them. There was no cost involved…in fact they could make money.

    If you want to watch a hard core Zionist lose their ideology in a heartbeat, open a brief case full of hundred dollar bills in front of them and ask it that might overcome any ideological hurdles.

    Today was a good day. The general with the 8000 troops that crossed over, with 3000 of them being special forces, we were wondering where they were. Seems now they were being held in reserve and receiving training in the anti-armor and anti aircraft missles that are most certainly coming in with the reported Egyptians arms resupply.

    I suspect they will use this group as their counter attack forces and use the cloud shooters as logistics and garrison troops. Anybody can to that when you are not being bombed and shelled.

    Hey…any of you folks seen a single one of these rebels in a fox hole or a sandbagged position???…even week after week of being in combat. The problem was their all having cars where they could scoot out when they felt the urge. Gone is the slightest chance of their holding a line. Green troops, in large amounts are historically weak in defence and hopeless in attack, especially over open ground. It’s very unpleasant business. That is why an infantryman’s best friend in battle is a hole in the ground.

  60. kraqus  March 17, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    NICE !!! VERY NICE !!!



  61. Texas Vet  March 17, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Article: “the full backing of AIPAC, the propaganda and espionage arm of Israeli intelligence in America, has managed to control American public opinion for three vital weeks. Aided by progressives, “liberals” and self-hating Americans banded together with big oil and the neocons, this “marriage from hell” has worked hard to keep the a brutal Cold War relic in power.”

    Man, Jim, I didn’t think anyone involved with VT would have the capacity to understand this simple truth. It doesn’t mean the VT writers, editors and posters aren’t smart, they just have been HAD as usual.

    Thanks for stating it so clearly.

    T.V. First Cav Vet.

  62. Alton  March 17, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Yeah, there will be a bloodbath there one way or the other. Next week or next month.

  63. AR  March 17, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Only 2 planes defected, and yes it was on the MSM.

    “We have confirmed that the Israeli Lobby has made their muscle available to Gadaffi & Sons and will have more on that later. There is a growing consensus in military and intelligence services around the world for regime change in Israel due to their continued offensive operations in numerous conflicts, where one of their major tools are terrorist attacks.”

    Can someone provide some reliable sources supporting this outrageous claim?

  64. Dale R. Suiter  March 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Old adage – “more time you give the enemy time to prepare the more troops you loose when you do attack.”

    Loyal Libyan forces are not going to surrender to any political or military entity from outside of Libya. They will fight. A NATO force will prevail militarily if one is deployed. Personnel and material will be expended in the process of eliminating loyalist forces in Libya.

    Libyan forces have full use of their military assests. The UN and any organization that may attempt to influence the acton in Libya is providing the loyalist with an updated, hour by hour data feed of what they plan to do in Libya. This silly process allows military leaders in Libya to plan counter measures.

    Situation is beyond foolish. Military action to be effective must be carefully planned and violently executed. Not the case with the Libyan issue. Folks – there is no solution. Continue to march forward into the swamp of politics trying to guide military operations.

    If readers believe my comments are disjointed – well they are. These jisjointed comments represent the “on the ground” situation in Libya. To late, to little and to many people die with delay.

    Disgusting is it not?

  65. tcarlson  March 17, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Actually, I should have said hypocrisy. It is ironic, though, that we may be asking Saudi Arabia to join in on the attack.

  66. tcarlson  March 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    It is the height of irony to be going after Gadaffi while letting Saudi Arabia and Bahrain use American weapons to suppress their own people in much the same way. There are no good options for us now in that part of the world.

    We have sown the wind, and we shall reap the whirlwind…

  67. Cy Klonbee  March 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Who’s flying the sorties for Gadaffi? I thought his Air Force had defected to Malta in the early days of the insurrection. Guess that’s what I get for watching the MSM. My bad. It’s so sad the world’s attention is on Japan right now, otherwise the Libya story might actually get as much air play as Charlie Sheen.

  68. AdeUK  March 17, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    BREAKING:- Resolution passed 10 for 5 abstained

  69. Egoigwe  March 17, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    This is appalling! You make it sound like what matters in Libya is Benghazi, one would almost think, reading you, that Libya is Benghazi’s capital! What is so important about Benghazi that makes taking it back taboo for you Western spin doctors? Really, what do you know about the history of Benghazi? Let me educate you.

    Benghazi for years has been a CIA staging post, especially for the recruitment of dissidents and shady operators. The NFSL is Benghazi based operational-wise. It is also the CIA’s kernel of pit bulls in Libya, whose spokesperson, Ibrahim Sahad, is another notorious CIA asset. It is the home region of ‘King’ Idris who Qaddafi deposed in a popular coup in the late sixties. They are all pro-insurgency tools. It is in Benghazi today, that you will find mercenaries of all shades and colors operating freely. There are no innocent protesters in Benghazi, the only people you’ll find are militants and mercenaries. Benghazi is not about the quest for Democracy and never was. It is the causeway that leads to a greater and much more brutal dictatorship than whatever you may presume Qaddafi’s is.

    Have you ever stopped to think why they fly ‘King’ Idris’ flag? The flag of that ousted tyrant and American stooge who was another notorious CIA asset that made Benghazi (his home region) the lair of his disciples and operatives. It is the advertisement of their ideology and passion; a prayer for the return to those dark days of tyranny, that America must today be so nostalgic about. It is a flag that brings back fond recollections, for the CIA and an imperialist nation, of the days they ‘owned’ Libya lock, stock and barrel. It is a symbol of their intention to run Libya without opposition or consent, and to control every aspect of Libyan life without question or input from the citizens of that country.

    It is only a fool that would advocate the things you and Gordon Duff do. Why do you find it so easy and simple to say “America must attack Libya now!” On what basis? What is America’s business with the internal affairs of Libya? After Libya, who do you advocate America attacks next and where does it stop? You are indeed a freaking warmonger Dean! Where do find the legal rationalization for such outrageous advocacy? That you do not feel the need to provide even a legal straw before embarking on your campaign for aggressive warfare is unnerving and near-dementia. I simply cannot bear to hear you talk like this, it’s over the board insane!

    What you advocate Dean is the total exclusion of international law in this matter, a lack of respect for the self-determination of an independent state and its degradation, and a blindness for the ethics and politics of a given sovereign.

  70. AdeUK  March 17, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    The vote live if your quick

  71. wallytron  March 17, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    The truth has been said. Not enough for any action, March madness, and all.

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