Bin Laden Operation Discredits U.S. Armed Forces (Updated)



“Quite obviously, meetings go on 24 hours a day, deciding what “new evidence” to concoct to add to the video tapes, personal diary and pornography claimed to have been found already. Has no one ever heard the time honored adage, ‘less is more?'”

by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

Nothing could be worse than the story released by the Obama administration. Their claim is that 25 Navy Seals were flown into Pakistan to murder an unarmed and unguarded man whose identity is now in doubt. Legal experts around the world universally characterize the operation, if it actually happened at all, as a criminal act and those involved as subject to prosecution. This issue is unlikely to gain much attention, however, as the majority of people who had not concluded that Osama bin Laden had died in 2001 as reported are now reconsidering their position.

Is President Obama having it both ways, claiming revenge for 9/11 by ordering the murder of someone never named in connection with 9/11 in any way and putting the killing in question by, not only destroying all evidence, but by releasing contradictory and easily discredited versions of the event? Is Obama, as many have long suspected, “channeling” George “W” Bush, the master bungler of all time?

Either way, there is one victim for certain and that is the members of the military services of the United States who will be judged, not by the real facts but rather the political mechanations of the increasingly bizarre stories released to the press on a daily basis. Each new story released shows signs of poor operational judgement where “salting” the “crime scene” with evidence has obviously gotten out of hand, an obvious problem when 46,000 “secret agents” were given 15 years to hunt down and capture a man believed dead for 10 of those 15 years.

Worse yet, senior CIA officials from the Reagan/Bush I era claim bin Laden was and always continued to be “rock solid” as an American intelligence agent until his death, or at least one of his deaths.

Even worse still, eyewitness accounts reported in Pakistan indicate that the bin Laden mission was scrapped after a helicopter crash.  The version given, but yet unconfirmed, has Americans leaving only with their dead, abandoning their wreckage and never having entered what is claimed to have been the bin Laden “compound.”

Quite obviously, meetings go on 24 hours a day, deciding what “new evidence” to concoct to add to the video tapes, personal diary and pornography claimed to have been found already. Has no one ever heard the time honored adage, “less is more?”


This is a classic case of “too many cooks spoil the pot.”

Wild stories about 40 minute firefights and “Osama bin Laden” standing on a bed with an AK 47 on full-auto while using his wife as a human shield made the SEAL team involved look like clowns. The SEALS are among the best trained and most effective elite fighting forces in the world. Last year, I met with Hershel Davis, known as “Father of the Seals,” to discuss his distinguished career and his experiences while operating inside Pakistan.

One thing is clear. SEALS were chosen because of their history of secrecy. The entire “bin Laden/Abbottabad” operation is a fiction. The ploy was to use Navy SEALS to trade on their reputation and heroism in order to “sell” a cover story to serve a long series of agenda’s.

The real end result for members of America’s armed forces is to have them cast as bullies, liars and murderers. What we have is a replay of the Delta Force’s operation at Tora Bora, a theatrical construct with a wild story intended on providing a rationale for a decade of war, begun, sustained and ultimately lost based on a fairy tale.

The original “Tora Bora follies,” Osama bin Laden and his entourage leaving his massive luxurious underground complex in a fleet of white GMC Yukon XLs with the aid of local warlords while the Delta Force was “called back for consultation” is as believable as the mysterious funeral of the imaginary Osama bin Laden, an old man seen on video watching television whose biometric signature in no way remotely resembles the facial recognition patterns of the real Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden, the real bin Laden, worked for years with the CIA and was photographed many times.

Veterans Today contributor and senior defense analyst, Brigadier General Asif Haroon Raja made the following observations:

Hardly a week has lapsed since the shattering news of helicopter assault by US SEALs leading to Osama bin Laden’s death and already several branches have sprouted from the trunk of the original story.

Too many doubts are being expressed about the authenticity of the claims made by rejoicing US leaders. As the clouds of skepticism are getting thicker, euphoria of US leadership is correspondingly getting deflated.

Or it was a hoax to cash upon the ghost of Osama? Or was it to stir up uprising in Pakistan similar to the ones in Arab countries and then make it a pretext to take actions as in case of Libya?
Even if we blindly accept the one-sided US story, how come Osama being a trained fighter with no dearth of chivalry chose to live in a house which had no protection? Like the minefield being of no value unless covered with fire, high walls of the house are of no consequence without inner protective shield.

Since the house was devoid of arsenal and he had not put up token resistance even with his personal weapon, it means Osama had given up militancy and was leading a quiet and peaceful life with his family. Was it fair to kill an unarmed man?

Pretext of his burial at sea is unconvincing since the Afghans are not inclined to the idea of shrines. Osama was wanted since 2001 dead or alive. How come, when the golden trophy was seized, it was disposed off in indecent haste rather than displaying it in all the 50 states of USA? The US has yet to furnish proofs that Osama was killed. No photograph of his dead body within the Abbottabad house or before and during his burial at sea has been displayed.


Since 9/11 with Rudy Giuliani’s tireless hounding of the limelight, “heroics by proxy,” honoring heroes has been a shameful form of exploitation of the sacrifice and honor of others for political and financial gain. No war in history has made so many billionaires while fighting an enemy that has proven to be 99% fabrication. As conspiracy theory gives way to hard evidence, the demolition of the towers at the World Trade Center has become fact.


Years later when 345 New York firefighters have died of radiation sickness with thousands more sick or dying from illnesses purposefully misdiagnosed or attributed to spurious and unspecified “toxic” sources, the sinister hand of exploitation isn’t hard to see. 3000 died on 9/11, not from terror attacks but proven controlled demolition. 6000 more Americans have died to avenge their deaths while several hundred thousand, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan 85% civilians, 100% victims of an illegal war of aggression, have died so far with more each day.

The sick from Ground Zero fight “tooth and nail” for medical care and compensation while tens of thousands of troops once considered heroes have been drummed out the military, wounded, sick, “used up,” many with no benefits or medical care. 18 kill themselves each day.

Another memorable sight on 9/11 was Secretary Rumsfeld on the pristine Pentagon lawn, theoretical location of 100 tons of aircraft wreckage, seats, bodies, luggage, wings, tail section, all invisible to the naked eye. Soon after, Rumsfeld would mention the missile that hit the Pentagon. He would say it once and the press would forgive that mistaken moment of honesty.

During the 1988 election, Democratic candidate Mike Dukakis was attacked continually for being photographed wearing wearing an Army helmet, riding in a tank. Similarly, President George “W” Bush, whose truncated military career, now classified a “national secret,” includes allegation of failed drug tests and desertion, appeared in another infamous photo, the famed “Mission Accomplished” fiasco claiming victory in a war that is still going on nearly a decade later. Bush’s photo in fighter pilot garb is considered a “Chickenhawk classic.

Worse still were the carefully staged “terror alerts” and phony bin Laden tapes released at critical times to influence elections or the passage of questionable legislation.
Between 2002 and 2008, Vice President Cheney, a man who shunned military service through numerous deferments was seen on television by the US Armed Forces an average of 35 times per day, primarily standing beside decorated soldiers. (AFN and Pentagon Channel)

The clearest accomplishments of the War on Terror have been clearly defined:

  • $3 trillion has disappeared from the defense budget, funds missing and unaccounted for
  • $5 million a year in opium production in Afghanistan as of 2001 is now $80 billion in heroin production, 93% of the world’s supply
  • At least 25% of the crude oil pumped from Iraq between 2003 and 2008 was never paid for


Emil Lee Wanta, the White House official designated to repatriate Stinger missiles still in Afghanistan and Pakistan after the Soviet withdrawal, first met “Tim Osman,” the CIA code name for Osama bin Laden in 1989. Wanta, along with William Casey and Bill Colby (CIA Directors) made up the ISA (Intelligence Support Agency), a group tasked with eliminating rogue intelligence operations, CIA and other, that had sprung up resulting from operations in Central America and the Af-Pak theatre.

Iran-Contra was one of those operations, there were others, many others. It is obvious that the ISA was less than successful. Many Reagan era insiders were convicted of crimes including, eventually, Emil Lee Wanta.


Wanta was originally named by Reagan as Inspector General of the Department of Defense, eventually slated to take over as Defense Secretary from Casper Weinberger (later convicted during Iran Contra and pardoned). That appointment was blocked by Secretary of State George Schultz.

Wanta, then working out of Vienna, was approached by Osama bin Laden, the CIA’s prime intermediary with both Saudi Arabia and resupply operations in Afghanistan, with replacing Stinger missiles claimed to have been expended in combat with both Soviet forces and those of the Afghan government. Wanta describes his meeting with “Tim Osman,” Osama bin Laden’s “working identity,” along with James Chi, the then station chief in Islamabad.

Stinger missiles had been found for sale in the Peshawar arms bazaar, offered to any and all takers. The first order of business was to recover these weapons before they fell into the hands of real terrorists, those not in the employ of the CIA.

Wanta and Chi put out a “buy order” and repurchased several missiles for cash. They then met with bin Laden. They confronted bin Laden with the fact that some of the missiles they recovered bore the serial numbers of units listed by bin Laden as “expended.” Bin Laden then indicated that the remainder of the Stingers were stored in Peshawar.


Bin Laden was very specific on how he was to be paid and more specific on how unpleasant things would get if money wasn’t forthcoming.

Payment was arranged directly to bin Laden who had the missiles loaded on trucks. Bin Laden is described as in traditional garb, shod in sandals and very unkempt. Meetings were held in English.

The bin Laden Stinger inventory, 116 missiles, were flown into Frankfurt, Germany and turned over to Customs and Treasury there. Secretary of State Schultz complained that the use of Germany in this transaction violated the prerogative of Secretary of State and filed a formal complaint.

Wanta reports that bin Laden was considered the CIA’s most trusted and reliable asset. That relationship continued, part of the complex interaction between the Bush family, the bin Laden family and their son, Osama bin Laden. At no time was Osama bin Laden ever considered “rogue.”

At no time was Osama bin Laden considered out of favor with either his own family or the Bush family to which he was closely aligned.

Osama bin Laden is confirmed to have received medical care, including kidney dialysis, on several occasions as late as 2000, at US military facilities in the Gulf.

There had been reports of Osama bin Laden being involved in a CIA operation involving China as late as September 2001. I was told there were no active operations against China. The intelligence relationship with China was being managed, according to sources, directly by George H.W. Bush and the Chinese representative Henry Kok (Kok Howe Kwong). Slightly differing versions of meetings in Singapore including Bush, Kok, CIA Counsel Jan Morton Heger and others over disbursement of very substantial assets in Rubles make no mention of a Saudi financial interest in with the CIA in this area.

Were the Saudi’s to have been involved, Osama bin Laden would have represented their government, according to reliable sources.

CIA sources claim Osama bin Laden, “Tim Osman” to them, was no longer operational after late 2001. It is their understanding that he died of kidney failure and his body was recovered and put in freezer storage. When questioned about other possible diseases, they insist that he was under treatment for kidney disease only.

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61 Responses to "Bin Laden Operation Discredits U.S. Armed Forces (Updated)"

  1. Lou  May 16, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Great Web Site Guys

    What a joy to hear the truth about what has happened to our decent country from our vets.

    Just remember it is the .0001% at the very top that has sold out. Plenty of us troopers have our M-1s. They are oiled and sighted. When our supreme cowards declare our Constitution says we do not have the right to defend ourselves the fight is on.

  2. Howard T. Lewis III  May 16, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I was long ago convinced OBL died of kidney failure or slow poison or similar cause back in 2001 so I looked and soon found dozens of clues our Chucky meets Talking Tina and the Village People administration ran a fake death of OBL. I believe the neighbors of the residence raided by the ‘Navy Seals’ when they say the people killed were not OBL. Lack of dialysis equipment or an armed perimeter and the phonied up photos of OBL from proved deception was in full production. One other photo was not doctored. It was the face of a much younger OBL.

    Long ago, on moving into a new neighborhood, my new neighbor walked up to me and said I was the “kid in the picture”. His father had cut it out of a 50 year old western magazine and used the old photo to represent his son, my new neighbor, in a made-up wanted poster. I eventually saw the poster and the kid was my identical twin. In the middle east, OBL probably had many such doubles. I saw a photo of Khadaffi with some of his hired doubles on his ski-boat. One or two were VERY close. OBL’s father and oldest brother/heir were killed in seperate small plane crashes in Texas.

    I believe General Mirza Beg in his article Pakistan : Our Wuthering Sovereignty. One raid picture I reviewed was a DOUBLE for OBL at a healthy 30-35 years old. He was still fresh or alive and made up. Not frozen. The neighbors dare not talk.
    This new Obama administration is by design. Right down to the White House spokesman being named “Carney”. It looks like it’s purposes are to humiliate the people and wreck everything and kill as many troops and good will as possible. I have good money that says Pres. Dover has had a lobotomy. He has the symptoms of passivity to the extreme. He has lied or gone back on each campaign promise and is no longer behaving as a friend to people of color or even to any type of democrat. And he does it all with no unrehearsed emotion or explanation. The scars all over the BACK of his head sure look beyond accidental or inner ear surgery as well. Assenting to this latest cold blooded murder for expedience and show is pure _______..

    Reason for the fake? A new False Flag, the Marcos gold and Black Eagle gold thefts and counterfeit treasury securities and bonds. A getaway is in progress and the Skull and Bones S.E.C. and the Skull and Bones C.F.R and it’s media power are aiding and abetting. The Prescott Bush and George H.W. Bush controlled Nixon White House permitted and sited and licensed the 6 Fukushima nuclear reactors on the beach in the middle of the world’s most active tsunami zone. Was the close off-shore faultline set with sub-seafloor nukes or HAARP ? I don’t know. The past 40 years of spent fuel rods were sitting in critical waterponds on tops of the reactors waiting for the first big tsunami to knock out the exposed emergency cooling system fuel tanks with the main system.

    The attacks on America continue unanswered.

  3. ethanallen  May 16, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    In the late 50s at Michigan State University all freshmen and sophomore men were required to take ROTC. The instructional staff were quite good. One had even been in Stalag 17. I recall a lecture about lawful orders. The Major who was teaching the class said, “If you are ordered to ‘Shoot the prisoners’ not only may you disobey that order but you must! It is not a unlawful order. You will be held personally responsible if you do not attempt to resist such an order.”

    Apparently things have changed. Even the mighty SEALS, who could with impunity tell anyone in the US to go to hell, are so brainwashed, so intimidated, so poorly trained , that they are unable or unwilling to say, “We will not shoot the prisoner. That is not a lawful order.”

  4. NightFlyer  May 16, 2011 at 1:03 pm


    The frozen terrorist story shows the desperation of a campaign team to try and get voters to feel their president is on the job in a covert manner.; oh, he’s a good president. It fails for all reasons stated.

    Would have much respect for the truth regarding 9/11 as a campaign issue myself.

    Anyway, I do like the VT website new page design. Sempre Fi

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  6. imp  May 16, 2011 at 8:54 am

    The SEALs have a proud and brave tradition tracing back to World War II and Vietnam. Ever since then, they’ve been characterized by bungling and bullying. That is, basically a microcosm of US foreign policy and the US military as a whole.

    If whoever it was in that basement had had even a cap gun, the firefight might still be going on.

  7. I am not amused  May 16, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I hate to point this out to you the US Armed forces were discredited a long time ago. Sorry, sad but true.

    That yet another corrupt organization yes it is dammit. I actually was going to enlist in the Navy probably 23 yrs. ago went and took the ASVAB I think the name of the test was and they said I did very well and could do anything I wanted except serve on a nuke sub I am a woman. To be blunt my test score qualified me for anything they it was had high enough. Then I got to that little prick recruiter found out that little prick had lied to me and I had 2 children and no it was not ok and no it is a horrid thing to do to someone. I walked away and they kept calling I am not sure if I even gave them the time of day after I found out what that little immoral prick had done. I am not sure I picked up the phone to say f you and the horse you rode in on. They did not warrant the attention or time and I could not even get past the damn recruiter. Thank God I was not a child (I was over 23 and I had not signed on that dotted line before I found out what that little prick had done). No – I needed to fill my recruitment quota does not cut it and that is how corrupt it is. You cannot even get past the damn recruiter and no it is not OK and no I don’t think I ever picked up the phone again and gave that prick the time of day. I may have one time to say stick it. I remember them calling back and did not even waste my time with that manipulative little prick and these are serious issues and no it is not OK and yes it is corrupt and wrong. – Period end of discussion.

    I could go through the literal list of atrocities our military has been carrying out for years. I have heard some very disturbing reports of what those Special Forces really do and the murders and that is exactly what they are. I have also heard they are subjected to mind control. I heard an EX Navy Seal say once you can’t say no. Yes – You can and have a moral obligation to. I am sorry I do not give a damn if you told me to go murder what I knew was an innocent man your title would not save you. It is a bunch of lousy excuses. You people have lost your damn minds. You shoot that innocent little ol man I will shoot you just like that and I would. Don’t beleive me you don’t know me. You might get me; some little ol man you swine. I was not exactly military material. I never did well with the blind obedience concept and yes I would shoot you. I really would. It is wrong, God what you people do it is so wrong. Someone would die and I would try and make sure it was not some little ol man and title of General I just wouldn’t care. What the hell and I do mean hell is wrong with you people??? Can’t you see that? Don’t get it really don’t. No I didn’t make it past the recruiter and I just don’t think Uncle Sam and I would have fared very well I guess in hind site; so it probably was a good thing,

    Can I ask a question to be honest my father was CIA Black Ops and he stated he never went into Special Forces for a very specific reason and you want to know why; here was his reasoning (he has a conscience). My father said he could never go into Special Forces because he could never live with himself or bring himself to go up behind a man who may have done nothing wrong and is probably innocent and put a gun to his head and kill him and walk away and live with himself. My father had a problem, he needed to sleep at night. He really did say that really happened. So apparently they know. My father is 75 yrs. old and that type of immoral, illegal, murderous and it is murderous behavior has apparently been going on for that long. It is that exact reason he stated he would never serve in Special Forces. My father knew so they know.

    If Special Forces is so well trained and informed they don’t know 9-11 was an inside job; becuase if they did they know those are innocent people. If they know its murder. A rose by another other name smells the same and a uniform does not grant you insanity (er- immunity) as they bounce around the globe feeling like big bad men murdering unarmend innocent people or people just fighting for their lives less trained and well equippted. Well done you stud jackasses well done. Why aren’t you busy chasing the real murderers of 3,000 of your country men. Mossad/Al Cia’da and Cheny, Bush. You could get in real trouble. Well done you brave jackasses, well done. Missed all that purported courage on my end you jackasses – Treason. It is the appropriate charge.

    Murder any helpless brown people today while the real power that murdered 3,000 of your country men run free. No – Uncle Sam and I would not get along. I don’t like checking my brain and real integrity at the door. I am not super saint; but damn. You people are a real trip and I could not make you jackasses up if I tried and where the hell did they dig you immoral jackass cretins up from. You people with all your bravado – well done you murderous jackasses well done. I am right and you could only kill me once. MURDERERS

    It is corrupt and immoral and Hitlers men had the same problem.

    Just obeying orders.

    You cannot defend the illegal, and immoral and murder with an order and a stroke of a pen. It is still illegal, immoral and first degree murder and I got the feeling they know it. Just obeying orders does not cut it and I do not, do not, do not give a damn who is doing it. The Nazi’s or Americans.

    At Nuremberg the Nazi’s found out the hard way. As the rope went around their necks and the support fell out from under their feet, the neck broke and the life ebbed from their bodies. It was a rightous and just punishment for what they had done.

    Do you think any of our men really deserve and less. I have the strong suspicion the answer is no.






    Murder Inc. (er- The American War Machine) keeps churning as the bodies of the innocent pile up across the globe.

    Just obeying orders you know.

    I guess they left the brain, balls and integrity somewhere.

    They will murder an innocent person; but they won’t defy a commanding officer even if it cost the innocent their life.

    It is simply murder. A rose by any other name smells the same and that uniform does not grant you insanity (er- immunity) You will find out I am right. Its always just a matter of time. You people are a real trip, your something else. I could not make you jackasses up if I tried dammit.

    All crappy excuses, rationalization and justifications aside.

    Its really just that simple. Sorry – Yes it is.

    This is not giving your life for a freind.

    There will literally be hell to pay
    In reality there is zero other option

    • I am not amused  May 16, 2011 at 8:56 am

      Correction to the above. My father was not CIA he was CID.

      My father had more backbone than every last damn one of them.

      He has the back bone to say no to feeling like a hero murdering innocent people and all that undeserved glory they feel.

      My father had the real courage.

      To just say no.

      He’s a good man really is.

      Probably more than I can say for any of them.

      Its the damn truth; even if you hate me for it.

  8. Brian  May 16, 2011 at 7:25 am

    Off the topic but here it is:

    Michel Chossudovsky
    Global Research
    Mon, 16 May 2011 04:15 CDT

    The Spirit of Rachel Corrie is an initiative of The Perdana Global Peace Foundation (PGPF) chaired by Malaysia’s former Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamed. The Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG) (Global Research) is also participating in this mission.

    At 10.54 pm Eastern Time (EDT), the Spirit of Rachel Corrie was intercepted by an Israeli ship and a Egyptian ship in international waters.

    10:54pm EDT, Gaza 5:54am: We have been intercepted by Israeli ship and Egyptian ship. We are disobeying the orders and sailing ahead to Gaza.

    10:57pm EDT, Gaza 5:57am: One Israeli warship coming to us very fast! We are in international waters, therefore they have no right to attack us. We are still sailing ahead.

    10:59pm EDT, Gaza 5:59am: They are opening fire across our ship! We are still sailing ahead.

    11:09pm EDT, Gaza 6:09am: They are shooting all over the place. We can’t continue …

    11:35pm EDT, Gaza 6:35am: They circled our ship twice and fired across our ship. Machine guns. No one was injured. One of the fishing nets caught the propeller, so we can’t move now.

    11:37pm EDT, Gaza 6:37am: The Israeli ship was coming from one end and the Egyptian ship was coming from another end. Firing. We are just stalled now. Everybody is okay. No one is injured.
    In a subsequent communication from the boat, it would appear that Israel sought the active collaboration of Egypt in the interception of the humanitarian mission to Gaza, involving prior coordination between the Israelis and the Egyptian navy.

  9. Brian  May 16, 2011 at 7:14 am

    From an article titled Pakistan: Our Wuthering Sovereignty!
    By General Mirza Aslam Beg, former Chief Of Army Staff, Pakistan.

    Osama’s look-alike prisoner from Bagram, was picked-up and brought to Abbottabad and killed in cold blood, in front of his family members, who were living there.

    • Brian  May 16, 2011 at 7:18 am

      I’m a little surpised that “The Nation” also posted this article.

  10. freedom fighter  May 16, 2011 at 4:46 am

    Full And Complete Translation Of The Pakistani News Video I Posted About Osama bin Laden

    This is a translation of the video linked at the bottom and was translated by my friend Khan Taashk. THANK YOU my dear friend. I wish there were a way for ALL Americans to read this translation.

    Anchor: Welcome back, Mohammad Bashir is a resident of Abboottabad’s Bilal Town. Muhammad Bashir might seem an ordinary guy but he is no ordinary guy. Muhammad Bashir lives in front of Osama Ben Laden’s house in Bilal Town Abbottabad. On 2nd of May, Muhammad Bashir was present on his rooftop from where he saw the whole American operation against Osama Ben Laden with his own eyes. Yesterday when our team was present In Bilal Town, Abbottabad, near Osama Ben Laden’s hose, Muhammad Bashir came to us and said, “Sister, I need to tell you something, something that is a burden on my heart and soul”, just listen to what he said.

    Bashir: I am going to share something about the Abbottabad operation which till this day nobody else has told you.

    Anchor: But Muhammad Bashir was a little afraid too, while talking to me he telephoned hia reletive, Vice President of Jummat-e-Islami, Abdur Razzaq Abasi, watch it

    Reporter: Tell me your name and tell me whare do you live

    Bashir: Let me first, Let me talk to him one minute, i will give you full interview, full or half?

    Reporter: Full Full

    Bashir: Let me first talk to him

    Reporter: To whom? To abbasi?

    Bashir: yes, to Abbasi

    Anchor: Muhammad Bashir told us something that no one said before. So we checked his identity card, we also onfirmed that he really lives there, we asked from the senior fellows about him. We were very astonished by his story just see and listen what he said.

    Bashir: We were awake, not asleep, a helicopter came, some men came down from that, into that house, then that helicopter went away

    Reporter: How many men?

    Bashir: 10-12, then that helicopter took rounds of those rear hills, then he came bac…k and when he came bach, two more helicopters arrived, one from the west and other from the north, there was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire, we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived, they pushed us back, now we are asking that if oama was here then who took him to america because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast, now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him? this is a question of serious concern. America claims they they killed him and picked him up. How they picked him up? This is what we are thinking

    reporter: Was there only one helicopter?

    Bashir? Yes the other that came flew away to Mansehra, there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them but as he was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire.

    Reporter: Then were in it when it blew?

    Bashir: Yes They were.

    Reporeter : How you know?

    Bashir: We saw it with our own eyes

    Reporter: You saw dead man?

    Bashir: Yes, dead men,

    Reporter: How many?

    Bashir: I couldnt count them because then the compound was on fire. The gate was open, we went in, the army and police hadnt arrived then, there were some people but they werent stopping them. The whole neighborhood has seen that but they are silent now.

    Bashir: We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing

    Reporter: How many dead bodies you saw?

    Bashir: We couldnt count them because they were blown into pieces.

    the reporter asked Bashir to narrate the story again.

    Bashir said we could see the faces of those men but they were speaking pashto. I dont know whether they were Pakistani or American army or people of agencies, as you know that agency people can speak many languages.

    May be they were speaking pashto so that we consider them Pakistani.

    They knocked and banged at our doors and told us not to come out.

    I laid down on my rooftop and was watching them.

    My kids were calling me, I told them to go to their rooms and let me check whats going on.

    The reporter asks Bashir, that when he saw that the helicopter was American what was he thinking then?

    Bashir said that he got afraid. He didn’t had in his mind that they will attack that house. He thought that they might have come to attack the Pakistan Army.

    The reporter asked so when was your cousin Shamraiz taken away?

    Bashir : Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. Shamrez also came out and the gate of the compound was open, we went in, every thing was lying scattered, as it is a huge compound, some body parts were lying here, some there, legs, arms, heads, broken and torn body parts, during that time some part of the helicopter inside, may be the engine or other fuel related part had an explosion so we rushed out. During that time Shamrez was taken away, he is in his home now, but no one is allowed to meet him and i couldn’t get a chance to talk to him later.

    Then the anchor says that they had vegetations inside the compound and Shamrez was their gardener. We know that two men Arshad and Tariq used to live there. They had good relations with the neighbours, they used to buy things from the local store. Sometimes imported dates and used to send many things to their neighbours.

    Then the reporter is at Abdullah Ben Zubair Mosque, which is the nearest to compound of Osama.

    She asks a guy: do you think people would have been glad and happy if they would have ever met osama?

    The guy : Yes, possibly. Because he was a muslim and he believed in God.

    This is the whole story! Every aspect and point translated. 🙂

    The gentleman being interviewed lives across from the compound. His cousin Sahab Jamrez Khan used to grow vegetables in the compound. He was taken away in all the hullabaloo on tape @10.29 Bashir says he did not see when they wisked his cousin away.

    Interviewer asks “Have you spoken to your cousin?”

    Bashir “No, I have not seen him yet he in in the house. “They will not let him get out” “They will not let me get in.”

    2 other men Arshad Sahib and Tariq Sahib used to go to market to shop for that compound and bought international brand items. Dates, dried meat found in compound. Also food used to come from compound to Bashir’s house Kabulu Pilau and things like that used to be presented to Bashir. They will follow up with more information. In the end the lady is standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair mosque. The mosque was with in walking distance of the compound. She asks people if Osama did attend this mosque people would have be happy? The one answered maybe. The other said Osama did “not” live here but he was muslim and believed in God. Interview ends.

    Another thing to note is that Bashir mentioned that we are very “sharif” meaning law abiding honest people. His town was a peaceful place no excitement no murders, fights, and he is unhappy how they have made his town so frightful with all this news. One thing is very clear in this video. Two helicopters hovered never landed. One landed dropped Pashto speaking poeple on the roof 10-12 of them Helicopter left fo 20 minutes returned to load people in and small blast engine failure fire helicopter parts all over. Body parts arms, legs, head, all over. Pakistani Army/Police came in dispersed crowd. The whole scene is cleaned up totally now. No evidence left to examine.

    Link to original Pakistani News video:

    • Brian  May 16, 2011 at 8:08 am

      I’m wondering if the famous photograph of Obama, Hilary and others looking so intense in the control room was due to the fact they were watching live video of the helicopter exploding and they saw the body parts. They didn’t see the murder of the fake Osama because the video was shut down at the time. Were the body parts from Seals or Pakistani military personnel or both?

      If the witness is telling the truth this is very interesting and sad.

  11. Ken Rechtstein  May 16, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Gordon, The US armed forces got discredited long ago,,, when they collaborated to bring about “the Pearl Harbor” like event that the PNAC gangsters asked for to get rolling the wars of aggression: Afghanistan-Iraq-Lebanon-Gaza-Libya and next staging a confrontation between Iran and Saudi Arabia, so NATO can set up a second “Humanitarian Mission” in Iran and Saudi Arabia to bring peace, prosperity and democracy to the people over there, the same way it was done in Iraq…

    War is a racket, as Gen. Smedley used t say, and Obama is cornered by the same “people” who got him into the White House or should we call it the “Black(mail) House”. They have him by the b… no room for maneuver whatsoever…

  12. AS  May 15, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    I know some people working for Aljazeera some still some not… do not trust anything coming from them… that’s going on air… it’s rubbish… real info does not go live it’s directed to the MOD or the the israelis or the american apparatus… this way they bombed Afghanistan in 2001… receiving stuff from there and then sending b52 … aljazeera became an israeli broadcast in the arab world it was official the 911 for those naives still though if you want have a quick look about what’s happening then good but analysis etc… not first choice… it use to be better from 1996 to end of 2001…after… it’s mod, mossad, and cia lies after lies

  13. PHearst  May 15, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    The authors of this article ask “Or was it to stir up uprising in Pakistan similar to the ones in Arab countries and then make it a pretext to take actions as in case of Libya?”
    As predicted here months ago here by nonparty dissident voices, Egypt Libya, Pakistan, Syria, etc. etc. were/are all part of an integrated plan for destabilizing the countries not fully trustworthy in abetting the desired zionist takedown of Iran. Anticipation of disruption to oil supplies caused by temporary closure of the Hormuz Straits at commencement of said hostilities brought about the necessity of the Libyan operation, As with the current machinations in Pakistan, an israeli led/puppetamerican operation through and through.
    Which makes it so interesting to read back to the period immediately before the NATO terror campaign against Libya began. “VETERANS TODAY: AMERICA MUST ATTACK GADDAFI NOW!”: Who can forget the stunning headline of Friday, February 25th, 2011, or the apologia that followed up with the most specious appeals to ‘moral authority’ to unleash American DU weapons on more Muslim populations. “The United States has every right and reason to act unilaterally to eliminate Gaddafi and the cabal of gangsters that surround him”(Gordon Duff)…with which memorable line the editor of VT voided any and all subsequent appeals to international law, indeed any and all laws except that of expediency and of the jungle, on the part of himself or anyone writing under the VT banner. Forever.
    There followed weeks of crafted stories designed to sow confusion in the minds of a readership which had come to trust the anti-zionist credentials of the editor and crew…going so far as to brazenly and without factual basis impute israeli backing for Gaddaffi – “50,000 MERCENARIES TO BE DEPLOYED AGAINST REBELS -Al Qaeda Fighters Included in Israeli Force” (VT March 3rd, 2011) – all at the very time it now turns out those same proxy forces supposedly being supplied to him were actually on the way to fight for the Rothschilds alliance of NATO/Israel/puppetArab States.
    What can be said about Abbottabad and the PR fiasco other than that it was foreshadowed and rivaled by a badly scripted and brazen campaign of equal insanity right here on these pages. Pot, meet kettle.

    • Bill  May 16, 2011 at 6:08 am

      After which Gordon backed-up a little bit and recognized that he had been running blind in Libya, having a dearth of good sources there…Now VT has reported on the new “Central Bank” in Benghazi and the rebel abuse of civilians there,,

    • Dukncover  May 16, 2011 at 7:53 am

      Colin Powell suffered a dearth of good sources in Iraq as well – which did not prevent him from unleashing the hounds of hell onto that country by announcing completely fallacious information to the UN. I don’t get it, are you saying every gets a mulligan for advocating foreign adventures on false grounds? I don’t believe what you are describing qualifies as contrition – which would be the most seemly way out of the painted corner.

  14. Bill  May 15, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    What puzzles me is why the Pakistanis and others don’t invest a little effort into discrediting this dog and pony show…fm 9-11 to 5/1….If OBL had nothing to do with 9-11 the Pakistanis ( Hamid Gul ) know it..and would have had a reason to actually shelter him and offer him up for trial…with real witnesses, expert testimony..Calling Dr. David Ray Griffin, Dimitri Khalezov, Pres. Francisco Cossiga, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, Gen. Mattis, Col. Molofsky..Would’ve been interesting….Since the US had no right to invade Iraq why didn’t the Syrians do the right thing and get him out of the country ( they could have )…When will the arab/Muslim world realize that they can stick together a little bit-or hang one by one?

    • Nelson_2008  May 15, 2011 at 6:46 pm

      I think it’s simply because the Pakistani government is so utterly corrupt. They seem to be good actors. The U.S. is paying them off to let the U.S. come in and murder people and destroy things, while they feign anger. They couldn’t care less about how many people the U.S. murders, as long as the money keeps coming in.

      There may come a point, though (and I hope it’s soon), where public anger hits a tipping point and corrupt Pakistani rulers will either have to start actually resisting U.S. aggression or be overthrown.

  15. hareli  May 15, 2011 at 3:24 pm


    Could you comment on this Al-Jazeera video about bin Laden, if you get the chance. In it, they claim Osama didn’t speak English. But didn’t he go to Oxford or one of the British schools, or am I confusing him with another Saudi royal? This video also makes the claim that Osama didn’t have kidney troubles. But I remember clearly in October 2001 hearing about the CIA meeting him in a Dubai hospital, and that was the story then. Is Al-Jazeera infected? Is this disinformation? It features Pakistanis you might know.

    • Gordon Duff  May 15, 2011 at 4:07 pm

      I simply went over on the phone a meeting two top officials had with bin laden.
      i suggest you go with my has no editing and is in a far more proven context
      how in the hell could bin laden work for the cia for decades and speak no english?

    • BALDEAGLE 11  May 18, 2011 at 12:22 pm

      Perhaps, HARELI and others in this context: considering the changing editorial bias of AL JAZZERA media need to reflect who owns and manages this international media source? And reflect upon the owner’s current role in leading and financing the revolt in Libya, although as yet the Qatar air forces have not yet flown with their NATO invasion forces, they the Doha centered emirate rulers are currently stealing Libyan oil and apparently funding the rebels! So go figure why Qatar has chosen to back the USA backed empire and it’s regional puppets, and as a consequence the Al Jazzera outlook has become a USA propaganda organisation, and sadly the editorial staff are becoming demoralised by the Ruler’s direction of the news and feature slant.

  16. brilmusic  May 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm


    Is this the same Wanta that had 4 trillion dollars in US assets tied up in courts stemming from the USSR destabilization project?


    Still. I don’t see OBL’s motive. It seems that finances were not it. If he was religious to any extent, liberating Afghanis would have seemed a righteous cause. He may have never considered himself working FOR the CIA, rather reconciling it as ‘doing business.’

  17. David Martin  May 15, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    “What we have is a replay of the Delta Force’s operation at Tora Bora, a theatrical construct with a wild story intended on providing a rationale for a decade of war, begun, sustained and ultimately lost based on a fairy tale.”

    And it fits a longstanding pattern:

    “The work of America’s press is best appreciated if recognized for what it is. One should not think of it as news and analysis for adults, but rather, in the most important areas, as writing for the unformed and impressionable minds of children. It is make believe; it is pretend; it is not to be taken as serious, literal truth.”

    See “Children’s Fantasy Writers” at

  18. Franz  May 15, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    You bet —

    “No war in history has made so many billionaires while fighting an enemy that has proven to be 99% fabrication.”

    But now even the dimmest bulbs are starting to question all the OTHER wars that made billionaires while fighting fishy agendas.

    “We cannot learn without pain”. — Aristotle.


  19. Gary Walker  May 15, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I do not understand the popsicle thingy. What is the rationale of freezing the bod?


    • Gordon Duff  May 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm

      the body had become an “asset”
      they just cashed it in
      it bought presidential election

  20. Brian  May 15, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    The new photographs of the writing staff are more attention grabbing than the others and have a very professional appearance. Perhaps VT is trying to beef up the website to attract a generous offer from our good friend Rupert Murdoch 🙂

    • Gordon Duff  May 15, 2011 at 4:03 pm

      they call all the time…want me to do a comedy show

    • Brian  May 15, 2011 at 4:33 pm

      You’ll probably have a director and producer who try real hard to hide their Israeli accent.

    • Gordon Duff  May 15, 2011 at 10:00 pm


  21. Brian  May 15, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Very good. Interesting in formation about Wanta, CIA and Osama.

    I’ve mentioned this before but for those that may have not seen the comment, consider the possibility the Mossad and AIPAC, which runs the Whitehouse, intensionally set up a highly suspicious, ridiculous sham of an operation to gain additional blackmail material on Obama. If Obama doesn’t do what AIPAC and Netanyahu tell him to do they threaten to tell the Zionists media that Obama ran a hoax operation. Great blackmail material.

    This event sets the stage for a Mossad nuclear false flag in the USA to blame Al Qaeda and Taliban from Pakistan. The USA initiates another major war on behalf of the Israeli government. Those angry Muslims who idolized their leader Osama want big time revenge. The gullible American public will believe it.

    Israel doesn’t want a Muslim country to have nukes.

    The whole operation was a joke except for the deranged murders of innocent people. How can most Americans believe the fake Osama, who looks older than 70 years of age is actually Osama? The real Osama would be 54 years of age.

    • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi  May 15, 2011 at 5:38 pm

      control by extortion and blackmail

  22. Nelson_2008  May 15, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    The “U.S. Armed Forces”, if you can even call it that anymore, was “discredited” long ago. (As have been the FBI, CIA, NSA, NIST, etc., all trashed).

    Frankly, “the Crips” and “the Bloods” have more to be proud of than today’s Zionist-crusading, baby-killing cowards presently wearing the uniform. Anyone who would join up today is no less disgraceful and morally bankrupt than the bloodthirsty, criminally insane madmen giving the orders.

    • Glenn  May 15, 2011 at 4:18 pm

      I am not sure if some 21 year old kid with a public school education is capable of understanding anything more complex than “join the military or starve to death”. We would all be better served by trying to deprogram these kids when they ETS and immediately come face to face with the VA meat grinder that is hell bent on driving them to suicide. Once they figure out that the gov’t they gave everything to wants nothing more than to put them six feet under, they become much more inclined to hear the truth. A truth we can help them come to terms with. Remember: an open hand, not a clenched fist.

    • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi  May 15, 2011 at 5:35 pm

      we agree Glenn

    • Nelson_2008  May 15, 2011 at 6:31 pm

      Do you understand that “the troops” are out there destroying things and murdering people? Do you realize that “the troops” are helping our Masters destroy what’s left of “America”, as well as the victim countries.

      It will ultimately be because of what “the troops” do, that the direct retaliation will come to “America”, someday perhaps in the form of nukes raining down on us.

      Before becoming an instrumentality of death, a reasonable person has a duty to understand just what it is he or she is getting themselves into. And with the world available today at our fingertips, there really are no excuses.

    • Nelson_2008  May 15, 2011 at 5:51 pm

      So if a gang of punks invaded your house, raped your daughter, stole anything and everything they wanted, slaughtered everyone present, and then burnt the house down, that’s be fine with you because:

      “I am not sure if some 21 year old kid with a public school education is capable of understanding anything more complex than ‘[pillage and plunder and rape] or starve to death'”.

      I wonder if you’d be extending “an open hand” to them, if you and your family were the victims? Somehow I don’t think so. I think you’re a hypocrite.

    • Dan  May 16, 2011 at 7:20 am

      Nelson, your point’s well taken, but misses Glenn’s point that these young men are in nearly every case thinking they’re doing the patriotic thing and buying into the lie that they’re signing on for some adventure. The moral dissonance of it all has ruined so many of their lives to the point, as Gordon mentions, 18 of them take their own lives in atonement every day. As for what our government, in this case at the local level, thinks about our soldiers, check out today’s article by Will Grigg on the wanton murder of a completely innocent two-tour Marine vet, Jose Geurena. It’s at We’re talking about the institutionalization of evil. The Google photos of this young man and his beautiful wife, who was threatened at gunpoint holding her baby, brings home the message that this monstrous government, including its local stooges, will do to the best of us what they’re doing to hundreds of thousands of Muslims with abandon, as these cowards wasted Jose in a fusillade of automatic weapons fire. Let’s also not forget that the DHS has categorized our returning vets as potential terrorists, now defined as anyone opposing the totalitarian police state in Washington. Unfortunately, by the time young men read sites like VT, it may already be too late, and they find themselves in a do or die situation murdering innocents to serve the slugs in Washington who for the most part are the least likely, willing, and capable of serving in our military.

    • Nelson_2008  May 16, 2011 at 8:52 am

      I think you’re missing my point that there’s no longer any excuse for it. Not anymore. Not today, especially.

      Otherwise, you also have to excuse drunken driving, rape, robbery, etc. You can say that the alcoholic that just killed your family in a car crash, for example, just didn’t know any better. He didn’t realize that he had a problem with alcohol.

      And the reason he “didn’t realize that he had a problem with alcohol” is because he’s been deceiving himself; he’s been lying to himself (and everyone around him).

      I don’t buy the excuse that they think they’re being “patriotic”. I think they’re merely deceiving themselves. They’re morally bankrupt. I’ve talked to some of them. They’re completely amoral, I guess you can say. Killing Arabs for cash beats working at Walmart. That’s how they see it.

    • Nelson_2008  May 16, 2011 at 9:11 am

      I forgot to point out the irony of the tragedy of Jose Guerena.

      I feel very bad for his family, but in a “cosmic” sense, he was not “innocent”.

      That’s because I’m having trouble trying to make a moral distinction between what happened to him at the hands of the despicable cowards who murdered him, and what he and his fellow cowards likely did to innocent people in Iraq and/or Afghanistan or wherever the Empire sent him.

      If it was morally ok for him to go slaughter and subjugate Arabs for the Empire, then, unfortunately, he’s morally defenseless when the Empire does it to him.

      Unless and until everyone starts taking personal moral responsibility seriously, we will destroy ourselves, as we are presently doing. That’s simply the way evil works.

    • Dan  May 16, 2011 at 11:56 am

      Nelson, I got your point all right, and would add that the lack of moral responsibility everywhere must make our elites rejoice in the success of their relentless march through our institutions, perverting everything they touch to render this nation morally irresponsible and without the moral imagination to consider what’s happening. I still believe these young men who’re signing up, whatever their individual motives, have been so brainwashed as to render them morally incompetent and incapable of recognizing the fact they’re committing genocide in the service of evil. Maybe a few more murders like Jose Geurena’s will wake enough of them up to the fact they’re nothing but cannon fodder for the cruds and cowards running the show in Washington. What I can’t understand is how otherwise decent people watch Fox News, support genocide, and then call it patriotism. Everything in the news, on TV or radio, Hollywood, in academia, etc., are weapons of mass moral destruction, and they’re being used to eat the minds of our youth like parasitic worms, leaving moral lepers who think on command and speak by stringing together cliches and catchwords placed in their minds by spokesmen for evil like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, and O’Reilly. As a conservative myself, I feel betrayed, particularly when the mainstream conservative sites conspire in the 9/11 coverup by sticking to the official story.

  23. AS  May 15, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    he had a lung infection-inflammation and ha only one kidney working… had shrapnel in 1986… left one kidney and was buried not frozen… top Muslim source… kool new design sheykh… working on Africa now !

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