9/11: Video of Missile Hitting Pentagon Leaked

10 Years Late, A Cruise Type Missile Hits Pentagon on 9/11

Suppressed video released below 10 years later clearly shows Pentagon attack was a cruise type missile; either a Tomahawk or Russian/Soviet Granit as described by Dimitri Khalezov

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Gov. Jesse Ventura Proves 9/11 Cover-Up asks “Will America’s Government Fall?”

“thought it was a bomb…walked out through the hole..burning wreckage..no plane parts…threatened to keep silent”

Former Vice President Cheney Accused of Engineering Pentagon Attack


Donald Rumsfeld Cited as Possible Accomplice


By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor


Confirmed sources in the Nigerian government tell us, in order to keep former Vice President Cheney out of prison for crimes involving Nigeria, $500,000,000 in bribes have been promised, negotiated by former President George H.W. Bush.

Now, only a day later, Cheney faces possible charges, so many charges they can only be imagined, for planning the Pentagon attack on 9/11.

TV host, Jesse Ventura, former Navy Seal, former Governor of Minnesota, on a one hour documentary on prime-time American television, makes an open and shut criminal case tying Cheney, Rumsfeld and officials throughout the US government with complicity in the planning, execution and subsequent cover-up of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

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According to experts on 9/11, engineers, pilots, intelligence officers and members of our military, Jesse Ventura “hit the nail on the head.”  Ventura, using evidence developed over 9 years by hundreds of individuals, outlines the utter impossibility of the government’s cover story on 9/11 and systematically debunks it using testimony and scientific evidence.

Ventura cites, in an interview with a 9/11 commissioner, a possible motive for the Pentagon attack being included with the attacks on the World Trade Center.  $2,300,000,000,000, yes 2.3 trillion US dollars had disappeared, cited only the day before in a televised statement by Secretary Rumsfeld, money “gone missing” from the Pentagon’s accounting.  The area of the Pentagon hit by a missile or destroyed by explosives or both contained all records of this missing money.


Ventura proves, beyond any doubt that no airplane ever hit the Pentagon.  As the video shows, not even a highly trained airline pilot was capable of the maneuvers claimed.  Long before, it had been proven that the 757 was incapable of the task, either the maneuvers or the speed and trajectory.  The plane would have come apart, there is no disagreement with this and hasn’t been for some time, yet nothing had been done.  Why?

It is also clearly shown that there is absolutely no evidence of any kind showing a plane hit the Pentagon, no wreckage, no bodies, no luggage.  Items claimed to have been taken to Dover Air Force Base, bodies, plane parts, were never at the Pentagon as both video and testimony prove.

There is also proof that the government threatened witnesses, telling them to support the “aircraft scenario.”


The basis for the conspiracy theory regarding Muslim hijackers with box cutters was based on supposed phone calls made by Barbara Olson, wife of Bush Solicitor General.  Solicitor General Olson claimed he talked to his wife on a
cell phone, spoke with her at length, while she described the hijackings as now dramatized by Hollywood.

When it was proven that a cell phone is incapable of making such calls, Olson claimed it was a “seat back phone.”  When it was proven that there were no seat back phones on American Airlines 757 aircraft, nothing further was asked.

Then investigations shows he received one call, lasting “0″ seconds.  Ventura questions as to whether Olson was duped or complicit?  Should he be arrested too?  Was his wife, Barbara, ever really on the plane?

Then Ventura looks into the flight itself.  Not only was the flight recorder “dead” but during the flight itself, the transponder was turned off.  Even more suspicious, the plane disappeared from radar for 28 minutes.

There is no discussion of this 28 minutes, but speculation, perhaps no longer speculation, has long been that the flight landed.  As to what happened then, we cannot guess, or can we.  One of my friends, a former Pentagon official, had a
friend on that aircraft.  Not long ago, he asked me.

“Gordon, what do you think happened to him, do you think he was executed?  Bullet in the brain as they stepped off the plane or something even worse?”

Ventura didn’t go there.  None of us want to.  It requires visualizing a scene out of Auschwitz.

Can Americans be so brutal, so devious, so traitorous?  It isn’t just Jesse Ventura that is willing to risk his life to bring it out, Fox News journalist Geraldo Rivera, several weeks ago, debunked the Building 7 collapse at the World Trade Center as “controlled demolition.”

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Commission video’s redacted to remove testimony by the Secretary of Transportation, transcripts altered, witnesses blocked, evidence, tons of evidence of government conspiracy withheld, this is the case against the government.  Threats, intimidation, going on for years, this is proven.  Were there more than threats, murders, “heart attacks” or threats against families?

Ventura proves the Pentagon was a government conspiracy, he “names names.” Geraldo makes any other explanation for Building 7 other than “controlled demolition” pure insanity.


It isn’t as though the evidence presented by Governor Ventura and Geraldo Rivera or even the other stories, Judge Napolitano’s revelations of knowledge of the attacks as early as 1999, was new.  All has been know, all highly credible and all systematically ignored, attacked by the press, suppressed by courts, officials at every level.

9/11 and the recent revelations aren’t proof of a conspiracy by 2 men, or Israel.  It is proof that there never was an Al Qaeda and that the deaths, two wars, the 9/11 deaths and the carnage across the world wrought by the United States was part of a criminal conspiracy, one that could only be perpetrated by a dictatorship under the guise of representative democracy.

Everything we have seen, and millions around the world have watched, nobody can ignore it anymore, it all says that what has happened is something no American would allow, not if this still were America.  Jesse Ventura proved something startling to most, suspected by some.  He proved that, at some point in our past, 10 years, more, we don’t know, our government was overthrown.


The strongest and most vocal opponent of a new 9/11 investigation is Julian Assange of Wikleaks.  If any individual outside the US government were to be named as most complicit in a 9/11 cover-up, it would be Julian Assange.

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Everything since then, certainly 9/11 and now, the news about Iran and, especially Wikileaks, all subterfuge.  When former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinsky cited Wikileaks on a PBS interview, televised nationally, that Wikileaks was the word of an intelligence agency, Israel never reported it or responded.

Instead, they attributed Brzezinski’s quote to me:

“Speaking to Haaretz, Duff added that ‘it sticks out like a sore thumb that WikiLeaks is obviously concocted by an intelligence agency.’”

This is what Brzezinski told Judy Woodruff of PBS:

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: But I think the most serious issues are not those which are getting the headlines right now. Who cares if Berlusconi is described as a clown. Most Italians agree with that.
Who cares if Putin is described as an alpha dog? He probably is flattered by it.

The real issue is, who is feeding Wikipedia on this issue — Wiki — Wiki — WikiLeaks on this issue? They’re getting a lot of information which seems trivial, inconsequential, but some of it seems surprisingly pointed. …The very pointed references to Arab leaders could have as their objective undermining
their political credibility at home, because this kind of public identification of their hostility towards Iran could actually play against them at home.

It’s, rather, a question of whether WikiLeaks are being manipulated by interested parties that want to either complicate our relationship with other governments or want to undermine some governments, because some of these items that are being emphasized and have surfaced are very pointed.

And I wonder whether, in fact, there aren’t some operations internationally, intelligence services, that are feeding stuff to WikiLeaks, because it is a unique opportunity to embarrass us, to embarrass our position, but also to undermine our relations with particular governments.


Barak Obama ran for president on a platform based on justice, ending the wars and bringing accountability to government after 8 years of scandals, deceit and what can only be called “hooliganism and piracy.”  Instead, he has done nothing, the wars continue, drugs are flowing from Afghanistan even faster than before, 9/11 evidence, now overwhelming and impossible to ignore is still ignored.

Americans looking for reform wonder if Bush left at all.  Those complicit are, though few admit it, disturbed by seeing America led by an African American.  The visible public face on the very well financed attacks on President Obama are all very much based on race hatred.  This has long been the most effective tool for keeping Americans divided and compliant.  How else could a major political movement be successful supporting the least popular and least successful policies in American history?

Who would want a return to policies enacted by the least successful president in American history, George W. Bush, who left office with an approval record listed at 22%.  Many would find a number lower, even half, more credible. President Clinton, after surviving impeachment for lying about sexual misconduct left office with 68% approval.  Thus, we connect the dots and wake up one morning, informed, enraged and utterly powerless.

Even through the assaults on President Obama, many financed by the Koch brothers,  tied to ultra-nationalists in Israel, whether there was a real change of government is not clear.  As Jesse Ventura pointed out, while Vice President Dick Cheney was getting reports of a plane approaching the Pentagon, seemingly even orchestrating the attack himself, President Bush was in Florida reading to school children.  Two years of Obama have been similar, too similar.

What can we assume from this?  Is, in fact, the President of the United States no longer Commander in Chief?  Did our government hand itself over to “shadow” rule with Bush or did it happen earlier, after President Reagan’s dementia made him unable to manage the cabal that surrounded him?  How long have we been operating under no Constitution at all?

The headline on today’s New York Times:


The headline on today’s Washington Post:


What is “their” message?  Certainly not “never again.”  In fact we know that “again” is just around the corner, an Iran war with or without a new 9/11, planned and executed by the same folks, older, not wiser and certainly more pathologically insane and murderous.

..and we continue to allow it.

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165 Responses to "9/11: Video of Missile Hitting Pentagon Leaked"

  1. John  October 8, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    “Sorry Brian, and others insisting on a Commercial Jetliner making that hole in the Pentagon. You’ve not seen the reality of Titanium engines, eleven feet in diameter, leaving no trace of their existence on the walls.”

    Yeah, exactly, no damage to the building or impressions from the wings, just one hole. Yet those same wings on the planes that hit the WTC were able to cut through 2.5″ thick rectangular steel beams that formed the outer permimeter of the building, leaving a clear impression.

    Like a friend used to say: “Don’t piss in my ear and tell me it’s raining!”


  2. John  October 8, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    The headline on today’s New York Times:


    Hey, they finally did something right!


  3. John  October 8, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    “I know Dimitri very well.
    He exists…good people and, when speaking on personal experience, extremely dependable.
    Oddly, his guesses are too often proven right too.
    I no longer underestimate Dimitri Khalezov.
    His personal experience is well beyond 99% of our so-called experts”

    This, Gordon, you and me agree on.


  4. John  October 8, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    “Those complicit are, though few admit it, disturbed by seeing America led by an African American.”

    Yeah, same way our Founding Fathers would be “disturbed”…especially a black man who’s Marxist red on the inside, a bi-sexual*, with an oh, so ‘presidential’ Muslim/African first, middle and last name–and NOT a natural born citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution.

    “The visible public face on the very well financed attacks on President Obama are all very much based on race hatred.”

    A natural, normal, healthy reaction to this Obamanation. The same “race hatred” Blacks displayed by voting almost unanimously for this interloper.


    *Larry Sinclair admitted performing fellatio on him in the backseat of a limo while Hussein Obama toked on his crack pipe. And this man gets elected to the highest office in the land???

  5. beijingyank  September 9, 2011 at 8:49 am

    There was no molten steel. There was no free fall in the towers. Building What?

    If the facts or evidence doesn’t toe the official fairy tale of the gangster psychopaths in charge, it’s a hoax, antisemitic, and a holohoax, opps, holocaust denier. Throw in racist if you get the chance.

    • Gordon Duff  September 9, 2011 at 10:17 am

      9/11 never happened
      everyone moved to argentina to live with the aliens there

  6. Northpal  September 6, 2011 at 9:21 am

    “visualizing a scene out of Auschwitz” are you shitting me with that kind of Nazi bogeyman holohoax crap ???

  7. Alex  September 4, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    At 2:08 in the video it is 100% fact that the picture used is FAKE.

    Here is the original

    • Gordon Duff  September 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      can’t find the video but good article on early cruise type missiles

    • percy  September 26, 2011 at 10:12 pm

      I also think the missile is fake. I was able to find the images your talking about, they painted the missile with USA colours.
      Another weird thing is that the trajectory of the missile in this video in perpendicular to the pentagon, whereas the holes that appear in the various walls have ( maybe) a 45 degree angle.

  8. Alex  September 4, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Dimitri has been on numerous radio shows the guy exists LOL

    • Gordon Duff  September 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      I know Dimitri very well.
      He exists…good people and, when speaking on personal experience, extremely dependable.
      Oddly, his guesses are too often proven right too.
      I no longer underestimate Dimitri Khalezov.
      His personal experience is well beyond 99% of our so-called experts.

  9. D.Anne Kelln  September 3, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    your right about the Gov. hiding the truth. We got ahold of an authentic video taken live during the Branch Davidian raid. It blew our mind. Wasn’t anything like what the media was showing!!! I came home not long after and the cops were there. Said the neighbors reported a break in. You got it———- the tape was gone. Amagine that. Who would believe us anyways. Many times when Glenn Beck would have us look something up, within minutes it would some how be SCRUBBED off the web. Good luck…….. so many people are brainwashed now probably most people don’t know the truth when it slaps them in the face.

  10. Bobzilla  September 2, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Jesse Ventura is NOT a SEAL… http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_printer_friendly.htm

  11. Aart Liberty  September 2, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    During the past 2 years I had a lot of articles about 9/11 at my website, both in English and Dutch. When reading them again I came accross an article from this webiste: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/01/mossad-ran-911-arab-hijacker-terrorist.html It suggests that Mohamed Atta was a Mossad agents. This is said: Atta maintained high-level contacts in Saudi intelligence and Pakistan’s Inter Service Intelligence (ISI), giving the Mossad plausible deniability of any relationship with Atta. FBI teams were denied access to the passenger manifest of the El Al plane that exfiltrated scores of Mossad agents from New York’s JFK airport to Tel Aviv in the afternoon of 9/11. There is reason by some FBI agents to believe that “Mohamed Atta” was among the passengers on the El Al escape flight. Is it not possible to get the names from the passenger’s list?

    • Gordon Duff  September 2, 2011 at 11:02 pm

      This information matches suspicions FBI agents had at the time and deserves serious consideration.

    • dirt  September 3, 2011 at 2:55 pm

      Fact, Atta’s relations in Israel are in fact Mossad spies who work in Cointel against Palestinians in various camps.

  12. Ishmael  September 2, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    The truth is coming out even more and they are going to kick cheney,bush and rumsfeld for coordinating 9/11 and the missile that went into the penatgon. I heard that arrests are planned for september 11,2011 during the 10th anniversary.

    • penlope  September 3, 2011 at 12:07 am

      Wow! Where did you hear it? And why during the 10th anniversary?

  13. SEPT 11 2001 TREASON  September 1, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Flag Etiquette
    It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.

    SEPT 11 2011 ?

  14. SEPT 11 2001 TREASON & EARTH911 MARCH 21 2011  September 1, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Flag Etiquette
    The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:

    The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
    The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
    The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard

    SEPT 11 ,2011 It is flown upside down only as a distress signal. SEPT 11 ,2011
    SEPT 11 ,2011 It is flown upside down only as a distress signal. SEPT 11 ,2011

    SEPT 11 ,2011 ?

  15. SEPT 11 2001 TREASON & EARTH911 MARCH 21 2011  September 1, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    would it be disrespectful for a few million Americans to hang the Flag in the distress position on this 911?

  16. foo  September 1, 2011 at 10:06 am

    @ Jim Fetzer

    “…The projected image of a plane could do those things, but not a real plane.”

    Then tell us, please, about the projector.

  17. OS  August 31, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Someone in the area may have accidentally captured the audio portion of the incident by accident. Many things have audio signatures…you would be amazed. Look in this direction for more evidence.

  18. Jack  August 31, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Sorry Brian, and others insisting on a Commercial Jetliner making that
    hole in the Pentagon. You’ve not seen the reality of Titanium engines,
    eleven feet in diameter, leaving no trace of their existence on the walls.
    You’ve not considered how they ordered a line of office-workers to comb
    the grass, picking up little bits of anything which might give away
    the truth of the situation. Lots of satanists exist within military ranks,
    gaining career prestige for their murdering ways.
    Thank God for VT. Wake up, Mike Castle.
    I say It’s all you guys’ DUTY to not be a go-along with the code of silence.
    When we say “Support the Troops”, it must mean Help them with
    DeBriefing and DeProgramming as to just what Our Mission WAS
    and now IS…WHO was pulling the Strings, commanding Demons
    to undermine our NORAD-response, WHO was a treasonous,
    battlefield infiltrator-saboteur spy, but came out with Promotions
    and Decorations and Millions of contractor Dollars?

    • Steve P  September 1, 2011 at 6:47 am

      Yes, duty.

      If the military had done its duty, none of this could have happened.

      It is the Department of Defense, after all, and we have spent untold trillions buying them weapons.

      The Japanese have a saying,

      If the stray dog gets in the garden
      Then the gate was not truly locked.

      The most basic military service is guard duty, but our guys failed in that duty on Black Tuesday, and nobody has been called on the carpet to explain those failures.

      The failures include the Commander-in-chief sitting tight, doing exactly nothing, trying to remain calm we are led to believe, instead of rallying the defense of our nation against the attacks.

      From that perspective, it doesn’t really matter what hit the Pentagon – plane, cruise missile, or simple bomb.

      No, what matters is the HQ of the world’s most powerful military couldn’t get off a shot in its own defense, even with the VP getting timely updates on the plane’s approach.

      Sitting ducks.

    • peter  September 1, 2011 at 8:29 am

      I hate to repeat myself – nor do I wish to be insistent like Fetzer, but the how and why of the situation on that fateful day of manouvres was realistically explained by AbelDanger in that there was the 3rd Man software which was inserted to re simulate the actions of all parties concerned with Air Traffic and Norad et al causing what was seen on screens to be different from what was casually seen from the ground and consequently recorded on digital media. It also allowed to change the order or information between two parties who believed they were in 1 to1 talk with each other but really permitted the “conspirators” to speak live to one party and then reinterpret said information…nence the change over of surrogate planes which were the ones that didnt go to targets…the original flights were transfered to an airport where both flights landed and were “handled” at different terminal points on that same airport. What happened to the pax is up for speculation but there is truth in “follow the money” or “take the money and run” !

      What is clear is that america saw two jets pile into the towers – that is what was seen by the great american audience and as a consequence was perpetually re affirmed by all news outlats and private video observers….what was never proven was that they were actually flown by 19 ragheads from a cave in Afghan…

      WTC7 went down as a result of Siverstein saying so and no terrorists brought it down – the pentagon was hit by a missile type explosive device under cover of a supposed 757 which left no evidence of its being…the very fact that all video camera recordings have never been produced is clear evidence that the Govt has something to hide because why else would they insist on it being a 757 when they refuse to prove it..or even allow the tapes to demonstrate the truth….all aircaft prangs leave evidence of a substantial amount that is fact as well as truth.

      Fetzer does the truth a serious dis-service with his permanent insistence on no planes …since the whole of america saw planes on digital recording material there is no possible reason to try and reconvince the people if it is not therefore a ploy to disinform…there has been far too much recorded and photographic evidence of a plausable nature to inculcate a different view of what really did happen.

      The start is always with some that will dragnet the rest into the net and press for the visible evidence and not for the subterfuged evidence which will make its way into the picture as the basic story unfolds.

    • peter  September 2, 2011 at 5:09 am

      Yeah right PWS Fetzer just cant see the wood for the trees….only his cherished vision, there are none so blind as those that wont see and none so deaf as those that wont hear….he is a scammer and disinfo plague and really blows VT’s integrity apart but take note that Gordon has been putting up some funny stuff since Fetzer arrived on the scene too.

  19. MPrck  August 31, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    I think your on the right track. The target at the Pentagon was the accounting dept. The personnel, and the data records. The only way to ensure both are wiped out is by internal explosions. 18 hours prior the new civilian head Rumsfeld says he will bring in the data of the missing 2.5 Trillion. The people in that dept. would not find it strange to be told to gather all the records, and to come in early, for it had been some time in the making the loss of the funds. The auditors could have allowed their guard down, and brought in all the evidence they had to perhaps give a presentation. It was mentioned before congress on TV, they were in a very secure building, and it was a new DOD head, perhaps enough to allow the wariness any auditor feels when they discover malfeasance at the audited entity to bring in all their key pieces of evidence.

    The people that did this have global unlimited access to everything we can think of, plus a whole lot more we don’t know about. To say they could not have done this without the real airliners is just pure folly. They had the perfect cover, multiple drills. They diverted the real air cover, for a reason. They had what had to be took for a attack on the U.S with the planes flying into the WTC, so they could bring a whole security crack down, and arrests of anyone who protested without any suspicion. They have underground facilities, and airfields to use, to hide anything.

    We may have to give a real investigation of 9-11 up, if only so all the various witnesses are not killed, for surely they would be. They also know all the personnel who were on duty at all the various stations, and we don’t.

    Our best shot right now is to get Ron Paul in as President. We can start changing things that way, and maybe prevent these maniacs from destroying our infrastructure, and our way of life here.

    • jb1776  August 31, 2011 at 5:55 pm

      Hey Gordo,

      Nice article, but old stuff for the old hands at this.

      I’m hoping you guys are coming up with something else in the coming days besides grainy videos like this one to prove the points.

      Someone above made some very good points about satellite coverage on 9/11. Where is that stuff? When are the insiders who have seen this going to come forward? Do any of you people care anymore?



    • jb1776  August 31, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      One follow up on this for the skeptics:

      Let’s all think about “rules of engagement”. That’s a military term we are all familiar with due to movies, news, etc. A “rule of engagement” is put in place to ensure that proper procedures are followed in the event that a senior officer is not present. Quick decisions are paramount during warfare and “rules of engagement” are very important to protect facilities, troops, etc.

      I would think that all of us would agree that there were certain “rules of engagement” that were long ago agreed upon in the case of the Pentagon. Any threat within x miles of washington DC would be categorically assigned and destroyed asap. what is the x? 10 miles, 20 miles,100 miles…who knows, but you can bet that such a ‘rule of engagement” was established.

      The “rules of engagement” were thrown out the window on 9/11.


  20. Mike Castle  August 31, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Left wing bull shit. Stick to Veterans issues this is NUTTS!

  21. Rosalee Grable  August 31, 2011 at 9:11 am


    Stock footage before they added the “missile”.

    • pilgrim  September 3, 2011 at 2:02 pm

      I concur with this assessment. I now would consider this video of the missile hitting the Pentagon to be doctored and faked. This stock footage is definitely the same footage showing up in the “missile” video.
      Well done Rosalee.

  22. Penumbra  August 31, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Not the Hague. It is owned and operated by those who have every reason to find technicalities to set Cheney free. Any trial of Cheney should be conducted by a Common Law Grand Jury excluding all participation by any globalist agencies or their minions.

    Better yet, send him to stand trial in the countries he helped to destroy under Sharia Law. 😉

  23. Earthlinggb  August 31, 2011 at 8:54 am

    I agree Peter and it concerns me that while Gordon will cover fakes from mainstream news he then uses fakes in his own!! I wonder if this is deliberate to ensure that, when people jump on this as “proof” it can then easily be dismantled and, once more, the people who are sincerely trying to push for a new investigation and also trying to expose this criminality, are, once again, sidelined into the “nutjob” category? Gordon presents a lot of good, well resarched, stuff which is entirely factual but then spoils it with this sort of thing. He should damn well know better and i belive he does! The fact remains however, there was no plane that hit that building. Further to the vid, the hole shown is suggested as the entrance hole when, in fact, it is the hole that was in Ring C and is an “exit hole” of some kind.

  24. foo  August 31, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Concerning the Pentagon eye-witnesses…

    Two different meanings of “truth” apply here. One is being honest; the other is being factually correct.

    You have a view of the Pentagon. It’s about 9:36, and you see a commercial airliner approaching the Pentagon. You have heard that two planes hit the WTC towers. As the plane gets even with the Pentagon, there’s a synchronized explosion from inside. There’s a fireball and black smoke. You don’t see the plane fly past the Pentagon.

    If you said that you saw the plane hit the Pentagon, then you would be telling the truth, in the sense that you weren’t lying. However, it would not be the truth in the factual sense of that word.

    We see with our brains, not with our eyes. Our eyes are just sensors.

    We’ve all seen the video of two teams passing a basketball back and forth. We’re told to count how many times that the ball is passed.

    Then we’re told that we didn’t see the moonwalking bear, and the scene is played again. Sure enough, there’s a guy in a bear suit, making his way through the teams.

    The people in the vicinity of the Pentagon had been told, by the reports of two planes’ hitting the WTC towers, what to look for, and that’s what they saw.

    Now, let’s say that a missile actually hit the Pentagon. (No need for inside explosives.) Given that people had been programmed to see a plane, they would have seen a plane.

    • Brian  August 31, 2011 at 8:36 am

      Foo I think you make some good posts but no offense but this is a little silly. Do the Google search, find the article and read all of the eyewitness testimony. People get stubborn and don’t want to admit they might be wrong.

      To me the Mossad and sayanim either initiated or got on board early and pushed this unsubstantiated strange theory that a missile hit the Pentagon in order to implicate the U.S. government as the criminal and divert attention away from the real culprit the Israeli government.

      It seems a lot of people in the “missile hit the Pentagon” crowd base this on an air traffic controller essentially stating it required making a tight 320-degree turn while descending seven thousand feet, then leveling out so as to fly low enough over the highway just west of the Pentagon to knock down lamp posts. After crossing the highway the pilot had to take the plane to within inches of the ground so as to crash into the Pentagon at the first-floor level. Well many eyewitnesses in the area also saw the difficult maneuver.

      So what did they really see? Are they all lying? If so, why? Perhaps a plane swap? It’s possible.

      Where is the evidence a missile hit the Pentagon. Not one person saw a missile at the Pentagon. One person said the plane was acting like a missile and that quote has been exploited by some people in the missile hit the Pentagon crowd.

      Why would the culprits do something so incredibly risky as to hit the Pentagon with a missile and then try to convince the world it was hit by an airplane. It’s silly.

    • foo  August 31, 2011 at 1:03 pm

      @ Brian

      “…no offense but this is a little silly…”

      How could one not be offended? “Silly” is a term of derision, of ridicule; from my viewpoint, that constitutes an ad hominem attack. It goes way beyond being disrespectful.

      Gordon had posted, “pentagon ‘planers’ are, to a man, PAID.” I wanted to cast doubt on that.

      Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Leaving aside the issue of being deliberately deceptive, a person can be completely honest and still be mistaken. One’s mood and one’s expectations affect the accuracy of what one’s brain sees.

      I chose the moonwalking bear example, because I considered it likely that many readers would be familiar with it. Even if one weren’t, my explanation of it would click.

      “…Not one person saw a missile at the Pentagon…”

      My point exactly. If there had been a missile at the Pentagon, would their brain have seen it?

      In legal proceedings, there is a term — “Best Evidence.” In this case, it would be video from the Pentagon roofline cameras, from the Citgo gas station camera or from the hotel camera. We ain’t got it, and we ain’t gonna get it, neither.

      I realize that I’m about to leave myself wide open here, and I’m going to say it anyway: I see nothing demeaning about honest ignorance. By that I mean that, lacking “Best Evidence,” I can accept uncertainty.

      I don’t need to know everything for sure, and I don’t need for everyone else to agree with me to validate myself.

      Back on topic, did a missile hit the Pentagon? I doubt it, and that blurry “leaked video” is about as far away from “Best Evidence” as I can imagine.

    • Brian  August 31, 2011 at 1:29 pm

      Foo, sorry if I offended you. In my family we call each other silly all the time and we don’t mean to be disrespectful. Besides I wrote “a little silly.” 🙂

      Anyway when you have time do the easy Google search for the article I mentioned and read what all these witnesses had to say. Too me it’s very compelling.

      Here is just one of numerous witnesses that I don’t think fit your analysis: Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief – “I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building.” “It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head.

    • foo  August 31, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      @ Brian

      Here is just one of numerous witnesses that I don’t think fit your analysis: Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief – “I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building.” “It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head.

      Or he saw it approach the building and saw an explosion, so his brain saw it hit the building and explode.

      Or not. After all, he’s a Pentagon employee. He wouldn’t dare say anything else.

      The threats against the survivors of Israel’s attack of the USS Liberty come to mind.

    • dirt  September 5, 2011 at 8:34 am

      I find it hard that you find it hard! Let’s illustrate….. Sean Boger, “PENTAGON tower chief” I can think of 5 million reasons for Mr. Boger to say things like that. We already have a civilian witness alluding to payment and threats. We have traffic stopped on the bridge. Why is traffic stopped before they even saw it comming? Both lanes? Reminds me of JFK’s limo slowing down precisely in the kill zone.

    • peter  September 1, 2011 at 7:21 am

      Exactly Brian – People get stubborn and don’t want to admit they might be wrong – you said it in one…so what they think they saw was not what they really saw…thus an aircraft may well have flown overheadf as a missile whipped in and made a small hole that would not have been made by a 757 nor was there ANY APPRECIABLE wreckage which ALL pranged aircraft leave – thats fact not just truth.

    • dirt  September 3, 2011 at 2:47 pm

      Good point foo, but I saw the bear the first time and said what’s with the bear? Then they sent the wetworkers.

  25. ResearchGuy  August 31, 2011 at 6:53 am

    The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
    –Friedrich Nietzsche

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