Thinking about Revolution

Once again the time has come for revolution in America.



by John Spritzler and Dave Stratman


“What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 – 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington.”
–John Adams, Letter to Thomas Jefferson, August 24, 1815

What follows is a brief synopsis of “Thinking about Revolution,” which can be found in its entirety at

Once again the time has come for revolution in America. Instead of a British king we have a ruling class of bankers and billionaires who control the government and all the important institutions of society. The future holds misery for the many and privilege for the few.

The problems we confront are part of a system in which money is power and most people don’t have any. The powerful men and women who run our world were not elected and cannot be unelected. They can only be removed from power by revolution.


The goal of democratic revolution is to break the power of the ruling elite and create a society run by and for the people. The principles underlying that society, we believe, should consist of these three: equality, mutual aid, and democracy.

By equality we do not mean “equal opportunity” to get ahead in an unequal society. We mean equality of condition. By mutual aid we mean a society based on sharing and cooperation rather than competition. By democracy we mean not this lying, fake democracy but a society in which the real decision-making power is in the hands of the people.

Real democracy will require a new organization of society. “Thinking about Revolution” proposes radical changes in how we think about ourselves and what we imagine human possibilities to be. It proposes a democratic structure based on confidence in the values and good sense of ordinary people.

Some elements of that structure include:

·         All who contribute to society have free and equal access to its goods and services, which are shared according to need, not bought and sold. Money is not used. There are no rich and no poor.

·         All the things that people use to produce goods, such as factories and mines and large tracts of land, belong to all the people. These things are a common treasure for all of society, not the property of a few.

·         The goal of economic production is to provide the goods and services people need and want, not to make profits for capitalists.

·         All political power is vested in local community and workplace assemblies. Congress, state legislatures, city and town councils, and all other instruments of the former capitalist state are disbanded.

·         The Pentagon, the military, the police, and other instruments of capitalist power are dis-banded. Communities organize to meet local needs for safety and protection.

Some people believe a better world is not possible because inequality and greed are “human nature.” We reject this view. The logic of capitalism is dog-eat-dog competition, yet most people in their everyday lives struggle to create loving and supportive relationships with their loved ones and friends and co-workers, in the face of a brutal culture. Most people, in other words, are engaged in a struggle against capitalist values. The most personal acts of kindness and the most public and collective acts of revolution are on continuum of struggle to humanize the world.

When people have more confidence in themselves and other people, they try to shape more of the world with their values. They reach beyond their immediate circles. They build networks and strikes and movements. When they have enough confidence and the circles of relationships have grown large enough, they make revolutions.

Others believe the history of Communism shows that revolutions only make things worse. We argue that the undemocratic fate of Communist revolutions lay in Marx’s view of the world. Marx accepted the capitalist view, that economic development is the basis of human development, and the capitalist view of human nature, that individuals seek only their own self-interest. Marxism thus presented Lenin with a question: “Who shall look to the needs of the whole society?” Lenin’s answer: the Communist Party.

Still others think that the great power of the ruling elite makes revolution impossible. While capitalism has enormous tactical power, it is strategically at perhaps its weakest point in history. The capitalist system holds no promise, not even an illusion, of a better world for most people.

There remain only two alternatives for the world’s people: either be sucked ever deeper into a vortex of war, tyranny, suffering, and mass liquidations—the planned die-off of “excess” populations in societies that cannot be sustained—or make a fresh start, rebuilding society on a fundamentally different model.

We have been on the defensive for too long, trying to stop one more bad thing from happening—a very demoralizing situation. We need to go on the offensive.

How can we do that? The revolutionary strategy we propose is to confront capitalism’s right to exist and the possibility of an alternative society: to make the need and possibility of revolution the issue of public and private discussion, the issue in every struggle, the issue wherever people come together to discuss their concerns. This is how we can take the offensive

John Adams wrote in 1815 that the American Revolution was not the revolutionary war. The war was only “an effect and consequence of the Revolution in the minds of the people, from 1760-1775.” This is the Revolution that we are here attempting to achieve: a Revolution in the minds of a world of people, to transform their sense of the possibilities of human society and of their own power to fulfill them. From this Revolution in the minds of the people will come the transformation of society.

We intend “Thinking about Revolution” as a small contribution to a national and international discussion of how to defeat the forces that control our society and create a new world at

Source: Information Clearing House

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53 Responses to "Thinking about Revolution"

  1. Doc Art  October 10, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Good notes, A.J.McDonald, Jr: Replacing these minions and criminal banker-politicians will require force, as these meatheads will not leave their seats of greed or power unitl forced to do so. The Declaration of Independence is a sweet, life-saving document that we must all read with passion.

  2. Jon  October 4, 2011 at 6:25 am


  3. J. R.  October 3, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    It’s not just the Federal government and agencies. It’s the federal courts and the Supremes who cover up their crimes, ALL the “law enforcement” agencies who REFUSE to arrest the hoodlums, ALL the so-called criminal “intelligence agencies, who are running rampant killing Americans and foreigners alike, the Blackwaters who are out of control, the Pentagon which is corrupt and out of control, even furnishing our soldiers with DU arms (THAT ALONE GOES TOO FAR – THE GENERALS SHOULD BE HUNG). Our 3 branches of government are THOROUGHLY and ENTIRELY corrupted, to the point that this nation cannot recover without it ALL being dissolved — ALL of them ousted and barred from future government employment. And THAT includes Congress..

  4. permindex  October 3, 2011 at 1:44 am

    All of my data is Freedom and please feel the
    freedom to distribute the
    Freedom of our Forefathers:

    Chance prefers the prepared mind.

    American Citizens.
    All for one and one for all.
    Take my powder and shot and see Illuminati.
    NWO missed one little itty bitty detail.
    Disarming American People.
    Come and Get UM’ NWO. We’re waiting fer ya.
    American WARRIORS who swore an
    OATH to the US Constitution.
    We will use our Declaration of Independence
    to protect our
    US Constitution and Bill of Rights “shall not be
    infringed” Second Amendment “Right To Bear Arms”.
    Tread on that one and you are In Deep Shit
    So your out gunned and ya don’t know it.
    NWO Extermination will be your reward.

    To: OATH KEEPERS, Sons of Liberty and 3%ers:
    We the People’s Orders to Current and Past US Military
    (OATH KEEPERS, Sons of Liberty and 3%ers of the US
    Constitution). Protect our Sovereignty, Bill of Rights
    and US Constitution with the Declaration of
    Independence. Tear this Oligarchy down and restore the
    Republic. We the People call all OATH KEEPERS to protect
    our original sacred documents of Liberty and Freedom.
    Our government violates our Rights as they illegally
    make unjust laws to enslave us.
    Protect Our Sovereignty

    To US Military (Oath Keepers, Sons of Liberty & 3%ers):
    Please prepare for surrounding Washington DC, collecting
    all US politicians meeting with secret societies behind
    closed doors violating the Logan Act. Escort said to
    Internment Camps illegally funded and built for
    Americans by same. Hold in custody till a New Citizen
    Govt is formed. Your orders are the Declaration of
    Independence. You will operate under the Bill of Rights
    and US Constitution till further notice.
    Start Mission if 2nd amendment is infringed.
    We the People
    We Sovereigns

    This Texan says you can take your RIIA, Bohemian Grove,
    Skull & Bones, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral
    Commission, AIPAC, TTC, NAU, SPP, Patriot Acts, and NWO
    deals and shove it up your Knights of Malta ass or
    Jesuit Black Pope’s ass. As his Father and Grandfather
    Prescott, President Bush is a TRAITOR and in violation
    of the Logan Act. This Texan wants nothing to do with
    Bush’s hidden agenda and secret societies. We will fight
    your Jesuit/Zionist NWO efforts
    because you bring chains to We the People’s

    A Majority of US Politicians are Jesuit/Zionist NWO
    owned and are in violation of the LOGAN ACT. They are
    powerless unless the Jesuit controlled Knights of Malta,
    Royal Institute of International Affairs, CFR,
    Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, UN and Club
    Rome tells them what to do. They are all TRAITORS to We
    the People, Bill of Rights and US Constitution. Their
    legislation flawed as they lie to get elected and never
    do what they were elected to do. The Logan Act should be
    prosecuted against all US politicians who are members of
    any secret societies meeting behind closed doors. Escort
    to internment camps illegally built for Americans by
    same for trail.

    The MSM is 5 corporations all owned & ruled by
    Jesuit/Zionist NWO Neocon Corporations G.E., Time
    Warner, Walt Disney, News Corp, & CBS. Break them up
    with the Sherman Antitrust Law & Clayton Acts. If our US
    Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches weren’t
    Bilderberg and CFR owned they could enforce our laws.
    Oh! their buying their way out of chaos. We’re coming
    for you first TRAITORS of We the People, Bill of Rights
    and US Constitution.
    We the People’s Oathkeepers using the Declaration.
    Till death by combat or old age.
    So help me God.
    Semper Fi

    Yes they think the enemy is guns. Eliminate the guns and
    peace, love, dove. This Marine swore an Oath to the US
    Constitution and I’ll die protecting said and Bill of
    Rights 2nd Amendment RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS against
    government tyranny. They call us Bubba.
    We Bubbas call it Jefferson & Adam’s 2nd Amendment.
    Our Oath and Duty.
    Don’t Tread On Me.
    Come and Take It.
    We’re ready to rumble.
    Always Are.
    We’re Americans.
    Semper Fi

    We the People are just starting to expose these
    Jesuit/Zionist Knights of Malta NWO International
    Zionist Bankers cloaked as Jews and the Jesuit Black
    Pope. They bring our ruin.
    We the People bring their ROPE.

    Armed Rebellion is going to happen. When? When the US
    Government starts taking We the People’s Second
    Amendment “shall not be infringed” Right to Bears Away.
    That will be the incident that starts the REVOLUTION.

    As there was a Fall of the Roman Empire; there will be a
    Fall of the Holy Roman Church.
    Destroy the Black Jesuit Order!

    “Praise be to the Lord my rock, who trains my hands
    for war, my fingers for battle.” (Psalm 144.1)

    Jesus ordered “He that hath no sword, let him sell
    his garment and buy one.” (Luke 22.36)
    [This we will do —–at all costs]

  5. Joe  October 2, 2011 at 10:09 am


  6. Joe in San Francisco  October 1, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    And don’t forget the old Tea Party crazies, Harry. Can’t you just imagine those big lusterless eyes and dropping jaws when they discover their savings have evaporated, their pensions disappeared, Social Security and Medicare was repealed by President Rick Perry & the Repubs in power, and — of course — so-called Obamacare was declared unconstitutional by 9 Conservative members of the Supreme Court. 9 Conservative members, you ask? Of course: the Liberals were killed in plane crashes, or by Muslim terrorists, and President Perry picked their replacements with unanimous consent of the Senate! The real question to ask is: will the average American still be asleep in front of the TV when all this happens?

  7. Charles  October 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Webster’s New World Dictionary

  8. Charles  October 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Webster’s New Dictionary. re-move, 3 to do away with; a) to kill or assassinate. The Patriot Act kind of _____ you when you suggest removal of someone.

  9. BJ  October 1, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    ANY revolution in the U.S. could ONLY succeed with the help & support of the U.S. MILITARY!
    A Populist uprising without the MILITARY would be quashed!
    VETERANS are a KEY component!
    This could only come to pass if the MILITARY LEADERSHIP felt the same as the populace.

  10. J.R.  October 1, 2011 at 8:53 am

    SAD….to think you would revel in your neighbors’ loss of their homes, regardless of the FAKE “political partes”! WHEN will you and others realize that the American people have been “played” for FOOLS? BOTH parties are the same…successive administrations, regardless of party, are leading us into a POLICE STATE globalist NWO “takeover”. Each prepares the legislation necessary for the NEXT outrage. YOU will continue to work for them as a SLAVE (taking YOUR money to spend as THEY wish) or DIE. The REAL fight should NOT be against your neighbor. It’s “us” (ALL of us) against THEM (the federal government lawless unconstitutional THUGS “posing” as politicians).

    The Bushes and Clintons have ALWAYS been “joined at the hip”. When Bill was governor of AR in the early 80’s, he and Bush Sr brought plane-loads of drugs into the Mena, AR airport and shipped out guns. They are STILL drug-running, gun-running, money-laundering, and assassinating people TO THIS DAY. (That’s why marijuana will never be legal – it would result in competition for them.) When Sr. became president, he sent the ENTIRE army to Panama to “capture” Noreiga, his drug partner, not just one his assassination teams. H.W. Bush (CIA) was present in Dallas when JFK was murdered, he was heavily involved in Iran contra from the first meeting, he was VP and ready to step in when Bush family friend Hinckley shot Reagan. Hillary met with JFK Jr. the week before his death “warning” him not to run for Senator of NY. Now we know his airplane was hit with an EMP weapon and exploded in the air. The Bushes/Clintons intended to take turns as President for over 40 years (8 yrs each – Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, Bush Jr, Hillary, Jeb, Chelsea, George P.) These criminals couldn’t STAND the competition of a REAL American president.


    BUSH/CLINTON SUSPICIOUS DEATHS Google: “Bush +Clinton +CIA drugs”

  11. stophypocrisy  October 1, 2011 at 7:03 am

    “Once again the time has come for revolution in America. Instead of a British king we have a ruling class of bankers and billionaires who control the government and all the important institutions of society. The future holds misery for the many and privilege for the few”.
    Yea, they are called Jews and they will soon High Jack the movement just as they did the 9/11 truth movement. To say they control the government and all the important institutions is an understatement. They have been kicked out of 70 countries in the last 3000 years not because they are nice guys but because of what we are going through right now. They have a worldwide reach except in Arab countries where usury is a sin, but they will soon send in our military to wipe them out and loot them for everything they own. From the TRILLION dollar Kosher Tax Scam to the 12 TILLION dollar banister fraud it can only end in blood shed because they can’t play fair and want it all for themselves, all ways have all ways will. Call me what you will but if it where Chinese taking over everything would you call me an anitchinessite?

  12. harry putter  October 1, 2011 at 2:25 am

    oh, you left out the typical right wing assholean argument that, to whit; “no conspiracy that large could exist with so many people in the knowing of this excludes Bush, nyannyanyanyanya!!” line of crap from them about 9/11. also, nobody who’s an incumbent right now can justify the endless chain of
    supplemental spending bills that wrote blank cheques for the Pentagon, at interest, to anyone who would loan the money (FED) to continue the wars. No bid contracts, no oversight…the list goes on and on. but the same right wing pricks who defend Bush and idolize his sorry coked out butt, are without any answers about how driving the nation into more than a quadrillion in real debt for these wars, was a good idea. if you stack up all of the additional costs of the economic and fiscal damage these wars have done to the nation, the total is close to a quadrillion after it’s all said and done, not the one, two or three trillion these hyena’s would like you to believe…nor the 15 trillion number either. The overall systemic damage incurred to the United States by fighting these wars for a decade, easily will tally up to a quadrillion by the time everyone has lost their house, and the country is plunged into receivership. They just destroyed this nation beyond any and all hope of repair, and the one good thing to come of it is that the destruction is so extensive that these piles of shit in the GOP party who ramrodded this bankrupting of the nation past the oh so complicit in their own way, democrats, is that they too will lose their asses.

    I just love it when I see a republican neighbor of mine lose his or her house to foreclosure. especially as they supported the very policies that caused it to happen to them in the first place.

    in any case, they have destroyed the country for the banksters and war profiteers, and they will get to lose their asses just like you and I and the rest of us who fought so hard to try to STOP THEM FROM DOING IT!!!!

  13. Joe in San Francisco  October 1, 2011 at 12:35 am

    I agree that not bringing back the draft was the smartest thing the Bush warmongers did. No draft, no war budget on the books, do everything in sight on the cheap (like stealing equipment from the National Guards & shipping everything to the Middle East) … except when it came to the military-industrial profiteers and the mercenaries. And most people still believe that Bernie Madoff ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history and that W couldn’t have been involved in 9/11 because his administration was too incompetent!

  14. bobbie schwartz  September 30, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    To dave and john. The only way to start your great idea is to identify by name and face these people. Identify the enemy. Point them out, so eveyone knows who they are. Bring them out of the shadows.

  15. GohBokhor  September 30, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    PS – a pure approach in your vein would be like 50 non-continguous countries trying to move in sync. The system of law would become stalled and then broken: which State’s laws govern what across state lines? Are States prevented from creating incentives to steal other State’s intelligensia?

    Central government is no different than an atomic bomb. The enriched uranium has many uses, but then, in the hands of the wrong people, a threat to humanity. Appropriate safeguards must outlast generations. All-or-nothing are not the only two options.

  16. GohBokhor  September 30, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Be fair, however, that North Dakota has the economy of a few blocks of Manhattan. I have a client with an office in Fargo. The operations, capabilities, and productivity out of that office, for a serious corporation, are not the same as they would be, for instance, from Chicago, LA, or NYC. The pay is much less and the cost of living as well. It’s like Rick Perry claiming his job creation in Texas was worth anything more than quantity over quality.

    I don’t agree. I think we can still construct an even more perfect form of a Federal government, one that has inborn provisions to prevent corruption and remains the populist voice. Above all, one that is skim and limits only non-humans, like Corporations or itself.

    The President must return to serving the role of protecting the people’s FREEDOM, rather than their safety. This was not what our forefathers envisioned, particularly Jefferson. Washington did not protect us from British invasion out of hostility, he protected us from British tyrannical rule.

    Today’s presidents sacrificed us to the pecuniary interests of a few in a cult better known as Israel.

  17. GohBokhor  September 30, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    I chose it as an instant reply to those who spread lies 😉

  18. J. R.  September 30, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Ask most Americans old enough to remember, “When did things start heading in the wrong direction for this country? and the answer will be, “When JFK was shot.” Well, Bush Sr. was in the CIA and at Dallas that day, age 39, and received a full briefing a few days afterwards. He was at the first meeting of Iran Contra and was involved with Clinton in bring plane-loads of drugs into this country through the Mena, AR airport in the early 80’s when Clinton was governor of AR. He was there as VP ready to step in when Reagan was shot by a Bush family friend Hinckley. He and Jr. were in charge the last 4 yrs of Reagan’s term, 4 of his own, and 8 of his son’s. The Bushes and Clintons planned to take turns being president for over 40 years. So…what went wrong with this country? The Bush/Clinton criminal cabal. Every man, woman, and child in America needs to read this.


    “The Division 4 team member told us, “The meeting to discuss the murder occurred in the White House oval office. The subjects named in the report who participated in ordering the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were President Clinton and his wife Hillary–both in the room, former Attorney General Janet Reno–also in the room and who JFK Jr. had publicly called to task for her role in Waco and Ruby Ridge operations, FBI Director Louis Freeh–in the room, and former President George H. W. Bush, Lawrence Rockefeller (now deceased), and three Inner Circle Council of Thirteen members who were all teleconferenced into the oval office discussion via secure White House phone lines.“

    “About 3 days before John’s plane took off and exploded in mid-air, Michael Harari, and another Mossad agent were seen with former President George H. W. Bush and his son Texas Governor George W. Bush at the Essex County, NJ airport where John Jr. kept his plane.” This fact was also confirmed by separate U.S. intelligence sources.”

    “Three U.S. presidents have their own private Israeli Mossad assassins–as well as assassins from several American federal government agencies–and will use them to commit treason and murder against other Americans perceived to pose a political threat to their power, a fact surely to horrify Jewish-Americans and all U.S. citizens.”

    “I was part of what we called the Bush-Clinton New World Order takeover to place in power selected individuals who received their marching orders directly from the U.S. government. Plain and simple, Project Phoenix required Americans to kill off innocent people to place in power those selected by the U.S. ruling elite; but I left, finding it very objectionable.”

    “These activities are still going on today,” said the intelligence insider. “America now uses FBI Division 5, CIA Division 4, and elements from within the Department of Defense (DOD) and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) for its dirty work. Five-man Delta teams made up of nationals from Mexico and Ecuador are being trained for house-to-house extraction and murder of American citizens–when the day comes that Martial Law is declared and what little is left of our Constitution is scrapped.”

  19. vinnie  September 30, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Protest everyone needs to grab baseball bats, guns, and rocks and throw all the BASTARDS in the Federal Government out on their ASS. then jail them all for crimes against humanity. JUSTICE FOR ALL. Also jail all the Corporate Gangsters.

  20. Steven G. Berry  September 30, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    I have never quite understood how communists can assume that everything is equally owned by everyone when it is obvious to the most casual observer that no one really owns anything.

    So, whatever it is, I guess it’s yours as long as you can keep hold of it. Hey, look at my shiny stuff!

    It doesn’t belong to the communists or the capitalists. Everyone wants their own stuff and some people want to be more involved in how things work than other people. These natural human tendencies rub up against the communist manifesto. Some people lollygag around, why pay them as much as others?

    We are back to the idea of fairness. You should get fair pay for your work. Organizing and running a successful business is real work. Try it.

    Loaning money you just printed out of thin air and charging interest for it is not work it is stealing. The only people who legally do this are authorized by law. What a stupid law.

    Outlawing interest charges via constitutional amendment is my best advice to America. There is a path to freedom and you can start at perfecteconomy dot com.

  21. Bob  September 30, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    I’m glad the protest have started, if we still had the draft we wouldn’t have so many problems. The banks are lawless, the wars are useless , it’s past time to protest . I new once the pocket book was look at the people would wake up. To bad the youth was not drafted instead we hired the worthless war out and got hosed. Once the rule of law is back in place, then you get to have a trusted money system, that’s worth a good revolution. I hope the youth will figure it out I’m kind of tired , but would go along with a good protest.

  22. harry putter  September 30, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    leave gawd out of this, jon. nobody needed a non-existent cloud being to give us rights. they were always there, whether some inbred monarch in britain or some dufus puppet here thinks we’re entitled to them or not. we’re not a republic any longer, either.

    organized religions are part and parcel to the human misery and suffering globally. there may be a few exceptions to that rule, such as hinduism and buddhism, but by large, all of the other artificial crutches the people cling to in fear of the unknown and fear of their own mortality, all serve to enslave them.

    one phrase comes to mind; “The meek shall inherit the earth”

    yeah, that’s a good one, isn’t it. it infers if you are a pacifist and let someone’s boot smash your face into the ground, that earth under your face you get to inherit, perhaps for eternity if the boot pressed hard enough.

    most of what thos. jefferson wrote was pretty good stuff right up until he dragged a cloud being that doesn’t in fact exist, into the picture. then he lost me.

    in a real world, with real cause and effect, there is no room for any artificial deity savior to come over the next cloud and save all of our asses.

    those who espouse religion are failures as human beings because they are unable to grasp the importance of taking responsibility for one’s own fate by ensuring you don’t repeat stupid mistakes over and over again while sinking deeper into the quagmire of the human condition.

    we can do exceptional things, but we don’t need a crutch to do those things. the crutch is a false and absent god that if it truly existed, would have stopped most of the incredible mass murdering thru history and punished those who carried it out in his or her name.

    no god would allow that to go on for so many centuries. time for a new plan without the crutch.

  23. KingofthePaupers  September 30, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Jct: So how do you revolt against bankers? Rise up? Do what? Occupy Wall Street and they’ll move. Big win. The most revolutionary act is the one that liberates us from using their enslaving mort-gage death-gamble currency. Set up and use your Person-2-Person UNILETS timebank account page like I did ast to practice what I preach and demonstrate how it works by using it. has instructions on how you can too. Cut the banksters middlemen out of their usurious vigorish. Why represent our collateral with their chips for a fee when we can represent our collateral with our own chips for free?

  24. Joe in San Francisco  September 30, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    In individual human terms, progress in our society seems so slow. Look at Jacques Fresco: he’s 95 years old, has been working on his projects for decades and may die before seeing anything like them come to fruition. On the other hand, we are at a point — and probably have been for several decades — where we could go from the dross existence that makes up most of the world’s society to one that might exceed even Fresco’s lofty visions.

    We need a revolution if only to free man and his creativity. Can one even imagine what it would be like if every person on this planet were fully fed, clothed and educated … and then able to work to his or her fullest potential, free of any restraint, religious or political?

  25. Mr Gump  September 30, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Our current system is in bad shape, no question about that, BUT! What these guys propose is just as bad. It sounds like China except there are still a few at the top living in luxury. Greed will always exixt, it is human nature.

  26. Ninib  September 30, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    I usually skip the entire religion section of the first film. However the information about the banking and monetary system are factual and correct. The third film features many scientists who simply explain that society is everything but doing well and that we need to change, not just because Krishnamurti, Buddha or Gandhi said so but because we need to, before we end up in a post apocalyptic WW3 world.

    Jacque Fresco is right when he says man has been replaced by machines. In countries such as China, India and Mexico labour is so cheap it’s cheaper to have hundreds of thousands of people slaving away in factories, than to replace them all with machinery. However, even there man is being replaced slowly. Every year factories require ever fewer people while they, too, embrace automation. It is simply inevitable, as those factory workers don’t want to work with dangerous substances (e.g. N-Hexane) and are always demanding pay increases.

    A few months ago the factories in Shenzhen, Beijing and elsewhere were all struck by strikes. These slaves are demanding their due in an economy that is leaving the masses of serfs and slaves behind while there’re people at the top with billions of USD. At the moment there is a middle class but when kids sell their kidney’s for an Ipad society is on the verge of disaster.

    There’re demonstrations on almost a daily basis in a country in which demonstrations are banned and crushed ruthlessly. There’re riots in which tens of thousands, sometimes hundred thousand people, take part. I can only hope that we, as man, can see our wrongs before it’s too late and move away from a system of unbridled greed.

  27. Stanley Coxmyth  September 30, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Yeah…remember Cheney saying our lifestyle was not negotiable? Guess he got that one wrong, huh? Maybe he was talking about his and Rummy’s lifestyles, or lifestyles of the rich and famous, or what? Because the rest of us seem to have had some lifestyle changes since then, ho boy.

  28. D.L.  September 30, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    What is “revolution”?

    A turn of events where you start at point “A” and when you are finished guess what? You have returned to point “A”!

    In other words, revolutions tend to replace one set of oppressors with another.

  29. D.L.  September 30, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    “All who contribute to society have free and equal access to its goods and services, which are shared according to need, not bought and sold.” Sounds like “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” (Karl Marx)

    “All the things that people use to produce goods, such as factories and mines and large tracts of land, belong to all the people. These things are a common treasure for all of society, not the property of a few.”
    But in all of history, give me one example of “means of production in the hands of the producers” that hasn’t ended in bloodshed, tyranny, and totalitarianism? (Gee, didn’t Marx or Lenin say the same thing as you do?)

    ” All political power is vested in local community and workplace assemblies. Congress, state legislatures, city and town councils, and all other instruments of the former capitalist state are disbanded.” What the heck, just call these Soviets and get it over with!

    “The Pentagon, the military, the police, and other instruments of capitalist power are dis-banded. Communities organize to meet local needs for safety and protection.” Do you call this the Red Army or the People’s Liberation Army? thank you, Mr. Trotsky.

    Now, a fresh start would be nice, but rehashing Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought isn’t exactly now if you know what I mean.

    How about this? Grow up, take responsibility for your actions, mind your own business, and do no harm, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    “Grow up”–my mother.
    “Take responsibility for your actions”–Proverbs
    ” Mind your own business”–a friend
    “do no harm”–Hippocrates
    “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”–Jesus Christ

    Ideas whose time has come, I think.

  30. Joe in San Francisco  September 30, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Factual errors seem to creep into every movement, don’t they? Of course, I never base my beliefs on one guru or another: not a good idea if you want to learn the truths behind the truth! Still, Zeitgeist did give me links to so many resources I never dreamed were available. Just think: my fellow Progressives and I spent the entire Bush Administration reviling Bush-Cheney et al for the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, thinking it was only about oil. Damn! What a waste of mental energy.

  31. foo  September 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    @ Joe in San Francisco

    The author of the Zeigeist series has since repudiated the 9/11 Truth Movement.

    Moreover, the first section, about the alleged commonalities of the saviors of various religions, is full of factual errors.

    Lotta problems with those DVDs and the person who produced them.

  32. jon  September 30, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    The first thing that needs to be done with America and the media is to educate the masses that we are not supposed to be a democracy, but we are in fact a republic. Thomas Jefferson stated,” A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine” We have inalienable rights from God.

  33. Joe in San Francisco  September 30, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Excellent recommendation, Ninib. The entire series of 3 videos produced under the Zeitgeist imprint was my introduction to the politics of money and even the fact that there was a 9/11 Truth movement. I think I watched each of them 3 times because I was being bombarded with so much new information and so many exciting ideas. Just to imagine that society could exist without money — representing debt — is still rattling around in my brain. But it’s a nice sound.

  34. C.V. Compton Shaw  September 30, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    The USA is an increasingly Orwellian, Machiavellian, and Authoritarian state. By implementing these same standards, the author of the original article only compounds the problem. Rather the world shaking principles of the American Revolution should be reconstituted. These principles were abrogated by the “Orwellian Pig” revolution of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s which clearly rejected the principles inherent in the U.S. Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. The great majority of the American public, tragically, in my opinion, still clings to these same “Orwellian Principles” with the result that the USA will probably disintegrate, break up into different states, and/or engage in a Civil War. Many political theorists through out the world postulate the same through the same premises and with the same conclusions.
    The following is a partial quote from the U.S. Declaration of Independence in support of the aforementioned:
    • “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

  35. Coffeecrimson  September 30, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    I agree with you. You have to offer me something a hell of a lot better than a democratic structure based on confidence in values and good sense of ordinary people. I haven’t seen any good sense.

  36. J. R.  September 30, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    I don’t agree that we need the FEDS, in any shape or form, PERIOD! Americans can govern THEMSELVES 100% better than the jack-booted Nazis in D.C. Re: abolishing the detested Federal Reserve, North Dakota had a state-owned bank for 90 years and they are the only state that is prospering. California is also readying a STATE bank.

  37. Debbie Menon  September 30, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Thanks for the heads up. It is fixed now.

  38. harry putter  September 30, 2011 at 10:26 am

    history taught in classrooms in this torture gulag never bore any resemblance to reality or truth. every step of the way it was poor poor upstanding and shining america fighting against those evil brown/yellow/green bastards in other countries who are hating us for the mortgages we’re all defaulting on as we lose our jobs..

    you couldn’t ask for more gullible peons to pawn that crap off on, than the fluoridated and quite drugged and totally television programmed american public. they bought it all. they even bought the bush drivel on september 11, 2001; “go spend spend spend spend and the horrible head pain and nightmares will go away..”

    yeah, right. that sure worked swimmingly. even pakistan has a more stable economy than the one in this country, with more of it’s gdp being reinvested in things that will benefit the people over time, not paying down outrageous debt thru illegal usury, as is the case in america and britain.

    one brave group of human beings in iceland have repudiated that illegal debt, by the way, and their nation is recovering. it’s totally unfortunate that not enough americans are either aware of that nor do they understand the significance of what it means.

    debt slavery is not a birthright. you don’t have to be a serf your entire life. nor a slave to banksters, for that matter.

  39. Pacific Islander  September 30, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Interesting handle. It is one of only a handful of phrases I know in Farsi.

  40. MountainHome  September 30, 2011 at 9:30 am

    “…money is power and most people don’t have any” is so true. When it costs $2.-15 million to just run for congress then the average Joe/Jane have been selected out of the political system.

    What we need are not politicians who become millionaires after getting into office, but statesmen to think not of their next election, but the next generation.

    Talking of revolution, there’s a great book out about a small town that finally takes a stand against federal tyranny and ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution. A great thriller and it’s so real in what may happen if the economy turns into Greece. I recommend it.

    The ruling class is now being called the political class of our society. They’ve created themselves, the welfare class and the bureaucratic class in our society.

    Great article and about time to read something of importance that is not read other places. Thanks!!

  41. Bob Loblaw Jr  September 30, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Once again, big words wrapped around abstractions confuse the facts. The facts are simple: the British.. which is to say, The City.. the bankers.. wanted to destroy a couple of commercial competitors, the Russian and the German Empires. The bankers fronted some money, twisted some government arms (as usual) and shipped (literally) a nucleus of fanatics across Europe to Russia. Karl Marx was adamant that revolution in an agrarian society was impossible since it was an article of faith with him that it was the urban proletariat, ie industrial workers, which was the only revolutionary class. So what happened is a small clique of gangsters took over a primitive theocratic aristocracy (a feudal state) by violence and terror and ruled in their own interest. The Iron Law of Oligarchy. Same thing happened in China. Communism is merely the gloss intended to con the suckers, the agrarian peasants in both cases.

    Bankers. They got the German and Russian empires at each other’s throats. Geopolitics. Read some Mackinder. Read some Guido Preparata. Liberate your mind from the chains of ideological bullshit and see history for what it is.

  42. bargain bob  September 30, 2011 at 8:39 am

    When the shoo fits wear it! you are 100% right!

  43. Dan  September 30, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Ninib, your points are taken. I’m not at all in favor the kind of capitalism we have today, either, although honest money redeemable in like value for the sweat of our brow will be with us for so long as the division of labor exists. I shudder, however, to think we could be subjected to another form of materialism hatched in the salons and cafes that’s worse than what we now live under. If you’re saying mankind has lost its spiritual basis of living, and that our freedom involves finding out way back, then I agree with you.

  44. Ninib  September 30, 2011 at 7:11 am

    I highly recommend the following website for those who are interested in learning what the author is actually talking about.

  45. foo  September 30, 2011 at 7:06 am

    “…It proposes a democratic structure based on confidence in the values and good sense of ordinary people.”

    Which ordinary people are you talking about? Perhaps it’s the drunken louts at athletic events, chanting, “USA! USA! USA!”

    Or maybe it’s the gutless wonders, who continue to fly, who passively permit perverts to sexually molest themselves and their children.

    Or is it the idiots who go everywhere with GPS tracking devices, welded to their ear?

    And you expect me to trust in their values and good sense? Fat chance!

  46. GohBokhor  September 30, 2011 at 7:03 am

    PS- everyone at VT must abandon the wrongfully used term, “revolution”. Historical wisdom dictates that this is a term of aggression that allows governments justification to stamp out dissent. In addition, an overthrow of government is not what is on the agenda here. This is a de-corporatization movement that is growing in a quickly emerging age of populism. It’s a wave that seeks to drown out special interests that have removed the voice of the people with and for the pecuniary interests of a few. This is a reformation movement – the abandonment of corruption – not a revolutionary one.

    Finally, genuine leaders must step In and fill the void soon as more protests emerge or it will become a hijacked and controlled opposition. True leaders will be organic and ridiculed by the corporate owned media.

  47. Ninib  September 30, 2011 at 7:01 am

    While you are spreading your ignorant fear mongering rhetoric about communism, Marxism or whichever system they are not proposing, you are ignoring that humanity lived like this for the majority of our existence.

    Do you think the people who built the ancient wonders of the world got paid in coin? Do you think the Venetians used money as a tool in their trade? Did the hunter-gatherers pay each and one another?

    You know nothing about human history other than what you’re taught in that pathetic, brainwashing institution called ‘school’. In fact many economists are saying that humanity will once again return to the original form of trade and barter soon enough, as money has outlived its usefulness: the system based on favours.

    It’s impossible for the masses to understand but the banks have outlived their time and so has money, time to embrace the one system that has not only outlived but also out-dates what we believe is the one and only possible religion of the world: greed.

  48. Ninib  September 30, 2011 at 6:59 am

    While you are spreading your ignorant fear mongering rhetoric about communism, Marxism or whichever system they are not proposing, you are ignoring that humanity lived like this for the majority of our existence.

    Do you think the people who built the ancient wonders of the world got paid in coin? Do you think the Venetians used money as a tool in their trade? Did the hunter-gatherers pay each and one another?

  49. GohBokhor  September 30, 2011 at 6:32 am

    The issue is never the ideology, but the wrongful practice or skewing thereof. Capitalism is not an unnecessary evil, it’s simply one mode, amongst many, that you must employ to govern a State.

    America must blend several ideologies to create a perfect storm, not pertain to any singular form of Government. In essence, the best of the best, with floors built in to make sure that the bottom denominator is not simply pawned to the tops’ interests. Also, we must remember that governing 310 million people across a vast stretch of land within 50 non-contiguous States requires more than just a Federal plan.

  50. J. R.  September 30, 2011 at 5:48 am

    I agree we have been on the defensive too long. It’s time to ABOLISH the entire TOTALLY CORRUPT federal government. Every federal agency is a corporation, as are the states. The Corporation of the United States is incorporated in Delaware, I believe, so DE can dissolve any corporation created in its state. IRS is also a corporation. The 1,000 foreign bases should be closed, the wars STOPPED, and the troops brought back to the states national guards. There are some other ideas regarding getting rid of the FEDS in the few comments at:

    Americans do not NEED or want to pay for all those “intelligence agencies”, a DHS which fails to close the border, pats down our children, leads a plot to poison the gulf, uses our tax money for CHEMTRAILS to poison the air, raids dairy and organic farms with guns drawn, conspires to remove vitamins and supplements from the shelves, conspires to euthanize 90% of us via toxic vaccines, tells us what health care we can and cannot get and what doctor we can see. We don’t need the Pentagon, which kills our children in perpetual war, poisons them with Depleted Uranium weapons, hires an army of mercenaries when we already pay for a huge military force, “loses” trillions of cash, buys new airplane engines and “salvages” them to give to Israel – going on at least 30 years, and refuses to take care of our veterans.

    We don’t need a “law enforcement” of jack booted thugs, an FBI and DOJ complicit in multiple crimes and ignores Foreclosure Fraud and signature mills, gives guns to Mexican gun cartels while trying to take away OURS, a CIA which has been drug-running, gun-running, money-laundering, and assassination rings for 60 years, led by Bush Sr who was in the CIA and present when JFK was shot. We don’t need EPA and their Smart Meters, their shutting down “clean coal” with no replacement for that energy, or their forking over money to foreign countries hand over fist.

    The NON-Federal Reserve needs to be abolished – REVOKE THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT OF 1913. Under the constitution, our money is required to be printed in Treasury, NOT by a “private bank” owned by 13 rich European families and the Rockefellers. The entire Deficit is NULL and VOID.

    This article talks about forgetting STATE government also. That would work too.

  51. Dan  September 30, 2011 at 5:30 am

    The authors’ bee-hive Utopia is as materialist and economically determined as the Marxism they claim to have perfected. But, this article was a little joke to start the day with, right? Getting men to live as busy bees producing honey for the state, i.e., its new leaders, requires a new man kind(per Alinsky), forged in the same abattoirs ankle-deep in blood and gore as communist Russia, Maoist China, and Pol Pot’s Cambodia. As Freud would have said about these two, they project their paranoia arising in personal inadequacy onto society at large in a grandiose scheme to enchain their greatest fear, which is of being exposed by real men for the emasculated losers they are.

  52. A J MacDonald Jr  September 30, 2011 at 4:27 am

    As for a vehicle we can use to implement the clause in the Declaration of Independence, which states that we the people have the right to abolish our government when, after a long train of abuses, and after all other means of redress has been exhausted, the people can and must abolish our federal government and form a new government as we see fit do do, please see the following information concerning Summer of Justice 2012 DC, which is a non-violent, direct action we can use to remove (arrest) our current “leaders” in Washington and install good, wise people who can begin steering the ship of state in the proper direction: away from Israel, away from war, and toward home and the American people.

    I’m sure everyone here agrees with Dr Sobrosky when he says the time has come to implement the dictates of the Declaration, as do I. Like many of you here, I, too, swore and oath many years ago to protect and defend the US and her Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic; and today these enemies are: Israel, China, and the Washington politicians,

    Although many believe such a revolution impossible, especially without violence, it is not. But the above mentioned action will not work until the police and military support it, whose help we are seeking.

    The time has truly come for revolution, although many Americans may find this hard to believe. However, there are many Americans – more every day – who are beginning to realize the dire straights we are in today, and who realize that if we continue to allow Washington to pilot the ship of state those snakes will soon embroil us in a wider war that will involve Russia and China.

    As I said, please read through the philosophy and plan of action concerning the action I mentioned here:

    I have been speaking with folks involved in the Wall Street action and the upcoming October action in Washington and will be there as well next week. My advice to them: “Be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”

  53. foo  September 30, 2011 at 3:14 am

    “What follows is a brief synopsis of “Thinking about Revolution,” which can be found in its entirety at

    That link doesn’t work. In fact, the main site doesn’t connect.

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