Sarkozy Says It All – A Netanyahu Truther?


“Netanyahu is Such A Liar,” In a World Of Hypocrites, Only One Liar?


by Gordon Duff,  Senior Editor


The quote of the day from France’s President Sarkozy, in a private exchange with President Obama, calling Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu a “liar” is not all that bright a moment.  The French vote at UNESCO, for Palestinian membership was.  

Veterans Today’s Paris staff, headed by Jane Rosenstein, has been at UNESCO much of the time with the Palestinian delegation, offering our support.

[Editors Note: Dear Folks, This is another Gordon Magically Mystery Tour, which will end up with Carlos Castaneda. So pour yourself a glass of wine, or steam some tea…and enjoy the ride.   Jim W. Dean]

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Of course the Palestinians belong in UNESCO.  Our real question is what was President Obama really saying?  Does he also think Netanyahu is a liar? I think he was saying as much but moreover he was expressing his feeling of “exposure” to pressure from the Israeli lobby with an upcoming congressional elections in the US?

The Defamation League's - Abe 'Da Fox' Foxman

We might ask why Obama is a slave to the Israeli lobby?

I risk charges of antisemitism if I mention the stranglehold the Israeli lobby has on the media in the US.

Frankly, the rambling diatribes against our veterans group by the ADL and Abe Foxman have made me a bit of a cult hero, particularly in Israel with Jews standing up to Netanyahu’s tyranny.

Funny thing, I am under continual attack from very real white supremacist groups, I won’t call them Nazis, as they don’t have that kind of political sophistication.

When I looked up their organizations, none of them were listed with the ADL.  All espouse killing all Jews.  If only I were kidding, I am not.

VT Bureau Chief - Paris, Jane Rosenstein with Palestinian UNESCO Representative MusaA. Abu-Gharbeih

Jews shouldn’t feel alone, the same groups want pretty much everyone dead that isn’t a knuckle dragging moron.

They do, however, seem to love Herman Cain.  If you can figure this out. let me know.  Cain is black.  Cain is directly controlled by the Koch Brothers, the powerful Zionists that fund America’s war crowd and most attacks on President Obama.

Obama?  Yes, that same Obama who trips over himself talking about how he takes orders from Netanyahu, someone we now know, from that open mike incident, that he despises.

That’s OK, Israeli’s say pretty much the same thing.

What’s the issue here?  Is Sarkozy, someone many have accused of working for Israel suddenly something else?  Is there a “truth” that the alternative press, better termed “the controlled alternative press” seems to miss?

The Brothers Koch - Blank Check Suppoters of Israel, as Must Everyone They Support Politically

If Obama is run by Israel, why do the Koch Brothers, who are Israel, spend endless millions to continually attack Obama?

For the phony fringe press, Obama is the great evil, slave of Wall Street and Israel.  They know this because Wall Street and Israel send them email (and money) telling them this.

What is really going on?  Do we assume all our leaders are mindless degenerates incapable of any thought.

Today we learned that many had been wrong about France all along, that Sarkozy has been independent and may have some guts.

This, of course, doesn’t fit the ideas of some, so they will make up a complex scenario that will allow their existing delusions to go on and on, untouched by the reality of the world. We call them the Ne0-Hudinis of Reality as they always manage to escape from it, every time.

Sarkozy has taken a very strong stand on Iran.  Without France on board, any attempt to claim there is broad support for an attack on Iran would fail. Neither China or Russia would support it, using their veto to block any such resolution brought in by Israel or some ‘stooge nation’.

But even it they did France won’t, and France has a veto in the UN also, same as the United States.

Another never discussed point about Iran’s supposed nuclear program is the big one, “so what!!” Israel has nuclear weapons and their government is nuts, totally. Just ask anyone but a Likudite or a Christian Zionist after coming home after a Koolaid party.

Welcome to Nuke Land Folks - What Size Would You Like?

Russia and China have thousands of nuclear weapons, India has them.  We have no idea how many Pakistan has but hundreds at least..

A week ago, sources in the Ukraine told us that Iran bought 6 nukes, big ones, years ago.  If they had these for 8 years and nobody knew about it, what does it matter?

Worse yet, we also learned that the US, who has thousands of nuclear weapons has used them, Iraq and Afghanistan, dozens of them and claimed it never happened.

This we can prove.  Who authorizes such things?

With Fukushima throwing off enough radiation and pure plutonium to equal 2000 hydrogen bombs, the entire thing about nuclear weapons, seems to be a joke.

If we are to believe science, the Japanese killed us all, we just don’t know it yet.

We found Iraq so radiated from nuclear weapons that the people there test positive for bomb grade Uranium 235 exactly like the people of Hiroshima after the 1945 bombing.

Some say Iran is bad.  My problem is that I live in a country that I no longer trust.  I see our elections bought, I voted in one today, it was a total joke but I showed up anyway.  Why is it I don’t trust America?  Is it a Jewish or Wall Street conspiracy?

Americans Can Be Dangerous - Here is Some Proof

America is dangerous because American people are dangerous.  I hear, continually, from people claiming to be educated professionals, “liberals and progressives” that equate prenatal care and birth control with a personal threat against their civil rights.

These same people practically break into tears when the idea of a corporation paying a tax on exorbitant profits is mentioned.

This brings me back to France.  The same folks who claim to be “liberal and progressive” are crying about the great “NATO/Rothschild” plot against Gaddafi, to steal his oil, US imperialism.

Almost every one of these voted for Bush twice.

All of them supported the invasion of Iraq.  Only Barak Obama stood against it, him and a few others that had accidents, federal indictments or were put in government run mental institutions.

The video below, just uploaded, provides an interesting perspective on Afghanistan, the military failure we plan on building our Iranian attack on:

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Christian Zionists - Christian Jihadis - What is the Difference?

Not one member of the press said a single word.

I simply don’t trust Americans.  I don’t know where to find them.  I am told all “small town people” are hate filled Nazi maniacs.  Cities are filled with welfare cheats and meth addicts.

Then we have our churches.  I am told all they do is hope they can die in a nuclear war as quickly as possible or enjoy the “rapture,” a bizarre invention of a 19th century science fiction cult more Satanic than anything else.

In fact, I don’t see an inch of difference between Satan worship and most forms of Christianity.  Both support powerful evil forces that wish to destroy all life on earth and bring about a time of suffering for mankind.

If you don’t live in the United States, look through the internet and try to find religious radio stations, local ones.  There are thousands.

Hour upon hour they drone on, “bring on the wars, use the bomb,” it is all they talk about, hour after hour.

In one drive from Toledo to Ann Arbor, 33 miles, I found 12 local stations all saying the same thing, “G-d wants us to bring about Armageddon.”

America is supposed to be a religious nation, one of the most religious nations in the world.  This is total bull.

You want religion?  Go to Poland.  They are religious.

Here?  About 20% of the people I know claim to be Christians.  None of them say they believe anything in the bible but they call themselves “Christians” because they like the idea of believing in something.  They say it makes them feel better.

The vast majority of people claiming to be Christians say they tell people they are religious because it helps them in business or simply shuts people up.

Most Americans I know, I am thinking 80%, call themselves agnostic but when you question them, it is pure atheism.

Non Religious Policeman Kicking Haredim - Yes, Atheist Jews in Israeli Hate the Orthodox

American Jews are probably all atheists except the Rabbi’s.  I know a few of them and have my suspicions there also.

There are areas in the southern regions, areas where most people are either on drugs or welfare, almost all are white.  You have two groups, you have the “church goers” and you have the “trash.”  There is no “in between.”

Religion also runs strong in our African American community.  Funny thing, their churches never talk about “rapture” or “apocalypse.”

They mostly deal with what I would call “normal Christianity.”

African Americans or “black people” as I might call them, are a lot less crazy than white people.

White people in America are nuts, not all of them but, were you to get a group of “sane” white people together, the first thing they would say is that “white people in America are nuts.”

We have a group here at VT, really not that many Americans work at VT.  Of those, “left” or “right” that you will speak to, and most of us talk all the time, we are just amazed at how utterly crazy so many people are.

It is not just those who go on the internet with their “troll” alter ego, spouting insanity that, were they in public, would cause them to be beaten senseless by crowds.

Barry is Evolving Under Pressure - Just Like All of Us Are.

I have friends I have nothing in common with politically.  That’s not the problem.  Many of my friends hate Obama and I, when I can, try to support him.  I don’t trust him but I find him doing the right thing from time to time.

Bush never did the right thing, never.

McCain would have been worse.  Every current Republican candidate with the exception of Ron Paul is nearly as crazy as Bush and McCain and that’s saying a lot.

I look at countries around the world, I have visited, perhaps, most of them at one time or another.

The best of them have communities where people help each other, care for each other and trust each other.  It isn’t the majority.

Britain and Canada aren’t on that list.  Germany and Japan are.  France, with limitations, may be.  Greece and Italy get a definite NO.

I look at Hungary.  These are wonderful people but years of communism has left them with suspicion and corruption that will take generations to erase.

The world isn’t perfect and America isn’t the only dysfunctional society, its just the biggest.

India is a curiosity.  I know so many people there and, on the whole, dealing with Indians of a certain class is a joy.  However, their society is unjust and disproportionate beyond any imagination, a land of untold suffering.

From the Beginning of Time

People around the world, from the beginning of time, have simply learned to turn away. It is a survival mechanism.

Religion and extremist politics make it easy, help eradicate the effects of the human conscience and human empathy by overriding our natural goodness with belief systems tied to the imaginary and obscure.

You can kill and rape if a g-d tells you, all day long.

This is one of the reasons I look on religion as more of a public convenience, like a toilet.

Here, I am only speaking to Americans because only America has clean public toilets everywhere, by the millions.

This week, the world is talking about invading Iran.  Nobody has any idea how it can be done legally.  I am not sure anyone is actually capable of it.  It certainly sounds insane to me.

This reminds me of something.  My good friend, Ken O’Keefe, went to Iraq to act as a human shield to stop American bombing there.  I used to look on that as a suicidal and extreme act.

Mordecai Vanunu with Ken O'Keefe

I now think that, just maybe, American veterans should be fighting for Iran.  Hell, I don’t even like their government.  It isn’t a government thing, its a people thing.

I think Iran may need a touch of “Arab spring.”  Israel is getting it, America has it now.

People are beginning to ask questions, not the right ones, not the right reasons but it is the first sign of humanity many of us have seen in 4 decades.

I am a Marine.  I now find myself having to question whether or not I should fight against the United States.

I am not an “America hater” like so many that call themselves the “left,” far from it.  I just can’t stand feeling ashamed of what we do.

Libya is a real lesson.  Those who supported the killing of millions in Iraq were against America supporting the rebels in Libya.

The Americans and Canadians who supported Gaddafi all had some things in common.  All hate America, its their full time job.  All hate Jewish people and somehow translated that hatred to defense of Gaddafi.

Their ignorance of the geopolitical interdependence between Israel and Libya is excusable. These are morons.

Gaddafi Wearing the Stolen Curtains Again

What is unspoken is that they all share another belief, the racial inferiority of people of color and how they can never be allowed to make their own political decisions.

Gaddafi was a brutal dictator, a perfect ruler for nasty, dirty and primitive little brown people who need to be beaten and imprisoned when they start talking about politics and freedom.

Another thing all the worst of them share is Christian fundamentalist beliefs, they are Christian Taliban.

I tend to call them “keyboard terrorists.”

No IED planting for this gang, their war is all about sitting down in front of a keyboard.  They don’t volunteer to help veterans, they don’t belong to community organizations, other than to threaten or berate others then run out to their cars and drive away, ranting to themselves.

How many of these people do we have?  This is what scares President Obama.

We seem to have millions that will vote for political leaders that are insane.

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin have governors who are certifiably insane, voted in for no other purpose than to destroy the economies of their states, rob the decent, serve criminal elements and prove humans to be on a downward evolutionary slide.

Nursing Pay Has Already Been Cut

I voted today.  One thing I voted for was to not cut the pay of nurses.  The Republican party wanted their pay, their insurance, their benefits cut.  I have 3 nurses in my family.

They are not just underpaid, but they have been subjected to pay cuts for 20 years while doctors, who do less and less, nurses have taken over 70% of their responsibilities, have increased their pay ten fold.

They do less and less, do it worse and worse and cost more and more.  Who do they remind you of?  Congress?

What we are left with here in America is a nation where nobody trust anyone else.  The internet feeds this hate.  Television and newspapers do the same.

Churches do their part, or more, much more. What do we do now?  We all carry guns, so many of us have weapons carry permits.

We drive our kids to school because we are afraid our neighbors will kidnap, rape and murder our children.

We send our kids to fight wars, not because we want to win wars but because our kids will have no jobs otherwise.

When the kids come home in boxes and bags, or broken, family after family suffers from then on.  The number of these people, of these families that I know is huge.  This is my business, knowing the families of veterans and their pain.

I feel helpless.  It also hurts, how I tell I am still human.

I also remember it hurts them more.

I also can’t help but notice how few others seem to care, how very few.  A maimed soldier who isn’t a celebrity receives all the compassion of “roadkill.”

What do Americans dream?  That is easy to answer.  They want back John F. Kennedy, those that really remember him.  Real Americans loved him so.  We felt so good about America, so hopeful, so proud.

John F. Kennedy, Jr. - Not Perfect, but He Tried

Kennedy is a litmus, one of age and one of honor.  You either love him and his courage and goodness, something he radiated or you are of the “dark side.”

Author Carlos Castaneda

We all want to live in a perfect community.  To many, too many, that means “all white” and ” all Evangelical Christian.”

This can’t be done as you can’t build a perfect community out of people whose life ambition is to rule and judge others.

Oops on that one.

There is no “American view,” not a real one, of towns with different religions and races, with open discussion of ideas, shared values based on different origins.

That America will never exist, not since Americans submitted to mind control.

America is about fear and control, it will never been towns with unlocked doors or kids that walk to school or neighborhood block parties.  Such things exist, and where they do, they are rare, they are gems of untold value.

Carlos Castaneda - Journey to Ixtlan

America is a nation of people who would help, who even give their lives, perhaps for the wrong reasons, too often uninformed and lied to but with inherent decency.

Keeping those people apart, keeping them off our streets, where so many of them are today, the OCW or “Occupy” people, is the goal of our fear mongers.

Once America was the promise of the world.

Now America is considering Herman Cain for president.

With luck, few around the world can conceive of someone so insidious as Cain, a name of biblical perfection.  Even he will disappear, replaced with something worse.

I remember decades ago, the works of Carlos Castaneda.  He is dead and largely forgotten as are such things, those that touch the metaphysical with substance and purity.

Somewhere in an old book store is a paperback copy of Journey to Ixtlan.

If the price is under a dollar, buy it.

Editing:  Jim W. Dean



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30 Responses to "Sarkozy Says It All – A Netanyahu Truther?"

  1. Debbie Menon  November 14, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    I tried TJ, Ugh!

  2. Ladybat2  November 11, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Damn Gordan. You tell it like it is dude. This part in particular made me stop and think….

    —“No IED planting for this gang, their war is all about sitting down in front of a keyboard. They don’t volunteer to help veterans, they don’t belong to community organizations, other than to threaten or berate others then run out to their cars and drive away, ranting to themselves.

    How many of these people do we have? This is what scares President Obama.”—-

    Sometimes I wonder if this is what I became myself. Just yelling at people on the internet because of my total frustration and helplessness about it all. Just punking people out with a loud bark that has no real bite.

    And its gotten so bad now I don’t even have the strength to do that any more. You touched on every single reason why in this article of yours.

    What was it about the 60s that made so many really stand up and fight back?

    Was it the drugs?

    Maybe the drugs our generation has are the wrong kind then.

  3. Mike Kay  November 10, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    If Castaneda offered a glimpse of something more than mere material existence, then how is this significantly different from the message of any other religion, including Christianity?

    Both Castaneda and religion direct the adherent to follow certain codes of conduct, and perform certain exercises. Both provide a world view. Both provide a framework of internal justification.
    Now, if we are talking about religion as a political and economic entity-well we no longer are following the tenets of religion, or Castaneda any longer. If our interest in religion is political and economic, rather than spiritual, then we will forever be chained by the limitation of the political and economic world view.

    Confusion of the spiritual with the political and economic is the game plan of religious profiteers. If it appears insane, well that’s because the spiritual cannot be twisted to serve politics and money without perverting it.

    Whether it is Castaneda, or Christianity, the spiritual impulse is the same, it simply finds different modes of expression.

    I see America increasingly as a hijacked country. Increasingly, I see our history is false, our education is really indoctrination, our democracy is actually a self serving pathetic bureaucracy that is terrified of exposure, and has no solutions.

    Our religion fares no better. However, not one of these circumstances can actually effect a true spirituality. True spirituality does indeed exist in this tarnished land, but it is often extremely personal, isolated, and rarely paraded in public.

  4. SneakyBastard  November 10, 2011 at 7:44 pm


    Thank you for resubmitting your response.

    Excellent points backed up with links to articles… and proper spelling… and paragraphs too!

    See that World Wide Web!!

    Please continue to submit your views.


  5. xx  November 10, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Gordon, last note. You be careful travelling to Nigeria, was ambushed in government vehicle in 2000. good luck.

  6. OS  November 10, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Goodbye and good luck Gordon,

    And remember, you can always tell if your on the right or wrong side, because the vultures eat they own.

  7. Debbie Menon  November 9, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    I guess Gordon has a better understanding of women which is why he remains married and you have never been Jim ?

  8. Gordon Duff  November 9, 2011 at 9:32 pm


    It is very hard not to get caught up in things. There are enough real conspiracies. Two issues. I know alot of folks who have been at the edge of poltiics around the world for decades. This year one of my friends was elected President of Nigeria. I was brought there on a State Visit. I consulted on everything.

    He is such a wonderful person. I now worry about him continually. I will not go further on this.

    Another friend is Imran Khan. He is heading toward, we should all hope, the presidency of Paksitan. However I think…..or write..this guy is my clone. However he is a nicer person. If he is elected, I will be there, the lone westerner, as in Nigeria, discussing security, water projects, electification, social reform.

    I know other leaders who aren’t wonderful people…these are.

    The great ones…and they exist….fight powerlessness, are overwhelmed every day.

    I have had it tossed in front of me and been asked, “What do I do now, Gordon.”

    Sometimes I can help. Then again, I get to fly home and watch car bombs explode, watch so much happen, sometimes things I easily predict…none of it is hard to see coming.

    When those in office are those rare wonderful people, it is where tragedy begins.

    My life always goes back to November, 1963. In all the years since, I have learned so much about why he died…and what happened to us because of it.

    An invasion by flesh eating aliens would have been less painful.


  9. Gordon Duff  November 9, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    not an explantion i had considered…..the nagual as a predator

  10. wolf  November 9, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Gordon, I love it when you get all philosophical and stuff. Sometimes your writing covers so much and in such a way that I find myself still thinking about it days later. This one will probably be one of those.

    A few excerpts and salient ideas from Castaneda:

    The sorcerers of ancient Mexico discovered that we have a companion for life. We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. It is very smart, and organized and it follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He’s an average piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic.

    Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice.

    In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engage themselves in a stupendous maneuver -stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind!

    The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.

  11. DaveE  November 9, 2011 at 11:34 am

    That was my first reaction, that Sarkozy was “Jew baiting” Obama. The zionists have been trying to figure out just where Obama stands for a long time, so this is perfectly plausible. At best, Sarkozy is a slippery worm, a zionist, a shrewd operative and always seems to be playing both sides of the fence.

    Anyway, I agree with your analysis.

  12. Jim W. Dean  November 9, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I never do that. Women get back at you by sneaking in men’s rooms and writing your name and number on bathroom walls 🙂

  13. Jim W. Dean  November 9, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Joe, When I ran into Castaneda at the end, a surprise ending indeed, I had my own suspicion of maybe some peyote or mushroom involvement here. But them I remembered G was a a 60’s generation guy.

    I missed Castaneda so I am playing catch up.

  14. Jim W. Dean  November 9, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Thanks Ade. I just got mine. This was the whole goal of having a good comment section. We cleared out the disruptors so this is now worth the time input. So thanks to all.

  15. Jim W. Dean  November 9, 2011 at 9:57 am

    John Depp’s Money??? I am just going to Butler School !!! 🙂

  16. Gordon Duff  November 9, 2011 at 8:38 am


    Catch the Russian responses today and the Israel “back down”

    Also go to the Financial Times and check on statements made on oil futures.

    Mike Harris really had it right.

    The brits (the official ones who say they aren’t the official ones) keep saying Iran has nukes that were misplaced by the US.

    Ukraine admits they sold them and are now looking for someone to blame…this should be amusing.

    In the interim, making these public has calmed things down a bit.

    Look carefully at this…..for Iran to possess actual nuclear weapons, rather than a “suspected program” is a positive thing.

    Nukes are useless, they can’t attack anyone.


    Iran is too big for even the US to attack “conventionally.” Only nuclear ‘retaliation’ could take down Iran.

    Thus, nukes in their hands are positive for everyone….

    The real issue is human rights beginning with Egypt.

    This is where we must focus…Egypt is ‘ground zero”

    When talking about revolution being led astray, Egypt, NOT LIBYA, is the real issue.

    All the bullshit about Libya is so nobody will watch Egypts revolution being hijacked.


  17. Gordon Duff  November 9, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Debbie and I fight at least one day a week.

    We have been doing this for years.

  18. Gordon Duff  November 9, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Good to see you back. We have several pieces on antisemitism. I have been under attack for having “genetic Jews” on staff. Kaminiski and his little kabal believe I am Mossad, or so they say.

    This is a real and very hard game here. VT has become a bit overpowerful. Around DC and elsewhere, not all of VT is read but staffers scan and pick out articles every day.

    We have made it fashionable to attack the Israel lobby…for some at least.

    The goal here is to upgrade quality, teach more of our academic writers about journalism and to get more and more people to give us top quality intelligence….from governments around the world.

    some successes there

  19. Ken Rechtstein  November 9, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Excellent full compass overview of topics that have impacted or still have direct impact on our lives, Gordon.

    Whether Sarkozy is a ‘truther’, whether he was sincere or not, whether he spontaneously spoke up his mind, regarding Nethanyahu, I can’t say…

    May be it was a trap, maybe he was TESTING Obama and hoping that “une confidence en vaut une autre” (a confidence will trigger another one)… I have my doubts about Sarkozy’s sincerity… He is full born OPPORTUNIST. Remember, when Sarkozy was still a candidate to the French presidency, he first priority was to fly to Camp David and ‘flirt’ with Bush Jr. He took with him his ex wife Cecilia… She did not attend the meeting in Camp David… for a reason…

    Obama was smart, not to swallow the hook…

    An interesting thing is HOW the public got to know about the ‘open mike exchange’ between Sarko and Obama. Well the French journalists kind of decided that “no mention will be made of the conversation overheard”.

    But someone present felt that Nethanyahu should know about it and, contacted Tel Aviv. The leak was then made public…

    Now again: Cui bono from the leak? Who would be prejudiced by it, Obama or Sarkozy?

  20. Gordon Duff  November 9, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I cut out my motorcycle repair part.

  21. Tom Valentine  November 9, 2011 at 6:16 am

    In the formative years of The Stelle Group, we all absorbed Castenada; no dope smoking or mushroom nibbling, but stimulating, provocative group discussions. I suppose there may be enough interest for an historical, explanation, since my Stelle association was denigrated ignorantly by Alan Watt. and a drunk “great patriot.”

  22. lawrencedickerson  November 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    I caught myself in a debate on the Amazon Discussion Boards on why there is so much anti Semitism in the American left.

    It struck me that more than I could ever imagine that the words of Veterans Today have rub bed off on me much like a child learning from the parents.

    It’s amazing though how badly one can sound when not coming from well informed sources or believing in the status quo.

    I have to admit that this is a fine article,one which hits on so many facets of our lives.

  23. DaveE  November 8, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    I’ve lived in those “simple” places and trust me, the extra problems of living with the Johnny Depps of the world are not worth whatever headaches they may temporarily alleviate.

  24. Joe in San Francisco  November 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Gordon, I’m still trying to figure out if you’re channeling Will Rogers … or George Burns! And I agree with Chris D. above.

  25. adeUK  November 8, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Save less than a dollar download it

  26. Gordon Duff  November 8, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    In order to get that “simple world” back, you can live in a small town in the South of France. All you need is Johnny Depp’s money.

  27. 60sstreetpunk  November 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    GD: nice article. I agree with The Rahnameh that people are in part messed up because they are not informed, and also because they live with chronic anxiety and stress. Those of us in 60s remember when daily life was not a business transaction. The world has become very impersonal.

    As you said and we keep saying- no jobs, no factories, unaffordable dental and medical care, unaffordable homes/rents, ridiculous property taxes (esp around cities and popular burbs), anxiety inducing television programs esp. news stations, idiotic TV shows, disruption of our whole way of life by MSM and Hollywood, and it goes on.

    Where I came from in Catholic parishes of Brooklyn there was none of that rapture nonsense- it was a simple world, and even though they taught allegiance to country, by 68 a lot of guys were saying screw it to the draft but still most got drafted in these low income neighborhoods.
    Thanks for letting us know we are not isolated.

    And how much faith can you have in a military where the head guy who recently retired never engendered trust or enthusiasm. He was seen as a businessman wearing an Army uniform. Everything is inverted.

  28. The Rahnameh  November 8, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Bad news for you G-meister, the people of the world are all “dangerous”, but only because their information has been disinformation, their reality a blur, and multi-generation sinister plots planned and hatched against them far before they (or even their grandparents) were even born.

    I have a different view of the world, although cynical. I believe that given the right information, people on the whole would not act in a morally depraved manner. In other words, the people that espouse hate and fear illustrate a lack of knowledge and understanding. This happens everywhere. No matter who you speak with, they will give you the impression that they think they are exceptional and superior to others.

    In fact, we’re all self-inflating apes who have never really gone beyond the rock in our sky. We’re like the backwoods yokels that Aliens, galactic experienced travelers, will one day find and either scoff at or pity.

    “I now think that, just maybe, American veterans should be fighting for Iran. Hell, I don’t even like their government. It isn’t a government thing, its a people thing. I think Iran may need a touch of “Arab spring.” Israel is getting it, America has it now.”

    Amen to human liberty and the downing of any oppressors. Iranians and Iranian-Americans (not to be confused with dual citizen Israelis — the Iranian is just a designation of our heritage, not our citizenry or loyalty) stand in support of Americans Veterans and OWS.

  29. Chris D.  November 8, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    That was the most numerous collection of topics I ever read..and I followed you 100% !

  30. JS  November 8, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    I recall Castaneda also. And believe it or not, there are many who are in touch with the next world, right here in the US. I’m on the email list for a local Near Death Experience group. They meet every month, and send news items via email.

    I only attended once, but it was a treat. These people come from all walks of life, all cultures, all religions or no religion. They have had different experiences, but they listen to each other, support each other, because the most important part of their experience was something they all had in common; amazingly, it was the same.

    It takes years to effectively incorporate the experience into everyday life. I have too many NDEers in my family, I think. And none of them need to take peyote or anything else.

    It’s a trip just living with them, but a good trip. Having a support system helps. The local group even has a psychologist and psychiatrist there, learning something I hope.

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