Tidbits: What is Being Held Back from You

Paulson of Treasury, Bush of Turkeyland, The Men Who Looted America

Secrets are More Often Conspiracies and Shame and Seldom are National Security


by  Gordon Duff,  Senior Editor


Let’s start this out with an attention grabber.  Out there, somewhere is a photograph of Osama bin Laden and George H. W. Bush, shaking hands in the White House.  It exists.  There is this and more, so much more, that would make America’s heads spin.

The actual trained journalists around me beat this into my head. OK, here it is.

Those who follow rumors, which means every single one of us, know that former President George H. W. Bush worked with the bin Ladens, a wealthy and respected Saudi family that invests in a group of military companies called The Carlyle Group, headed by many former world leaders.

When Osama bin Laden, the short haired young Saudi millionaire CIA agent visited Bush in the White House, he came there, not just as an important part of our intelligence infrastructure at the end of the Cold War, but as a good friend of George H. W. Bush, a man who was  practically an uncle to him.

"Hey Osama, I mean Tim"..."Get Over Here and Get in the Picture!"

Wait a minute, wouldn’t that make George “W” Bush Osama bin Laden’s brother?  Well, not a real brother, not like Jeb anyway. Bin Laden was taller and better looking and, as the CIA transcript below indicates, certainly better educated and more honest.  Be sure to read the only certified statement ever made by Osama bin Laden about 9/11 and compare it to what you are told he had said.

Then rememer the last 10 years how many times you have been told bin Laden claimed credit for 9/11.  Each of those video and audio recordings were presented to news agencies by proven agents of the Israeli government and have, after examination, all been shown to be counterfeit.

The news has refused to report either of these facts.

We might also add, Osama bin Laden, were he of “that” Bush generation, was a veteran, having risked his life defending the United States against Russia many times.

The Bush boys shunned wartime service as we well know, perhaps they saw brother “Tim” as doing their part for them. (Tim “bin Laden” Osman)

No wonder Bush thought the 9/11 attacks were “pilot error” and not “Brother Tim” gone bad.  The video below actually has President Bush citing 9/11 as “pilot error.”

The president’s immediate responses to the 9/11 attacks are among the most amazing pieces of inappropriate humor since Caligula nominated his horse to the Roman senate:

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Does this put the fact that the bin Laden family was evacuated from the United States, the safest place on Earth for them, on 9/12/2001 rather than have any of them interviewed by the FBI in perspective?

A plane load of Israelis left also, had to escape the United States, which had suddenly become terrifyingly dangerous to an entire planeload of trained Mossad agents, supposedly the among the most dangerous people on earth.

Was Bush their uncle too?  We wonder.

The cover story is that their son, Osama, went a bit off and began blowing things up.  We have secrets that disprove this as a wild conspiracy, or worse, “cover and deception.”

To the CIA and top US officials, Osama bin Laden was Tim Osman, his cover name. 

He held an equivalent US military rank, had broad security clearances through the American government and received a salary for decades. Someone has access to his history, to his files.  It gets worse, worse than I had known, worse than I had suspected.

Tim Osman in Military Uniform with Brzezinski

I had discussed bin Laden with General Hamid Gul, with Susan Lindauer and with his CIA handlers.

I had been asked, after the announcement of the bin Laden killing to reaffirm what General Gul, the foremost expert told me, what I heard from official sources that also briefed General Petraeus and Secretary Clinton (same briefing) to tell the truth.

Osama bin Laden, known by his friends as Tim Osman, spoke English, was always loyal to the US and was deeply trusted by the CIA despite their “bin Laden unit” and the endless hunts for him and a supposedly connected group, the 9/11 hijackers.

Let’s take a second look at the hijackers.  Those who knew that a group of Arabs were being trained in the US, some paid by FBI funds, entertained by GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff  and said to be planning a new attack on the World Trade Center have suffered for that knowledge.

Well over a year ago, Fox News “outed” this operation, partially at least, with proof that the US government knew about 9/11 in advance.  Here is one of the broadcasts but is only part of the story:

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What we have since learned is that the evidence brought forward about the attacks was a deception plan for the real attack, which was staged by the US government along with help from Israel.  Passenger lists show no hijackers, phone bills show no calls from planes, no box cutters and many of those said to have died as suicide hijackers have tried to file suit against the US governent for defamation.

They are alive and more than willing to prove it.  The “hijackers” were clones.  My personal belief is that they were  on the plane to Tel Aviv on September 12, 2001.   Many FBI agents believed the same.  All have been silenced.

If Jews had to be taken out of America, why leave 14 million behind?  Who was on the plane, why?  There was only one purpose for the flight, to avoid the FBI.  There was only one purpose for that.  The “hijackers” were on the plane along with demolition teams, this is what FBI officials said they beleive.  There are no films, no tickets, there were no passport checks and the flight left on the personal authority of President Bush.  Where they not terrorists, there was no other possible reason for the flight.

If you can think of one, any reason, let me know.  If you have access to a single airport employee who saw one person board the plane, a video, a passenger list anything, ten years later, please come forward.  Secrecy has one purpose, to cover crimes committed by governments.  If you wanted a real secret, call Tel Aviv or China, they have had those from day one, as anyone knows.

Here is General Hamid Gul, America’s top intelligence resource in Central Asia at the time, talking about this:

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I have met other CIA and FBI employees including one former member of congress who knew also.  Two of the CIA employees were locked in psychiatric facilities to keep them from reporting “officially” to the president, both charged with crimes and one jailed.

Sibel Edmonds

The FBI employee I have spoken with is Sibel Edmonds.  She was officially silenced by the US government for 6 years, court order under threat of imprisonment.

It goes further.  One of the companies paying the hijackers, a company known to be CIA related, part of a major insurance conglomerate on the “bail out” list was run by one of my friends.

If you are thinking AIG/Kroll, you are getting warm.

He had been the head of a famous foreign police intelligence service.  Sherlock Holmes fans will get the idea.

His brother was CFO of this company at the center of “black ops,” much more secret and high level than Blackwater ever was.  His brother was murdered.

Then there was FBI agent John O’Neill:

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He died on 9/11.  He knew, and he was silenced.  How many were silenced?

Osama bin Laden reported that 9/11 was an inside job before his death, confirmed through the highest sources, December 13, 2001.  This is the official CIA transcript of that report:



Website of Doha Al-Jazirah Satellite Channel Television in Arabic  [FBIS Report] Website of Doha Al-Jazirah Satellite Channel Television in Arabic,independent television station financed by the Qatari Government, which can be accessedat URL: http://www.aljazeera.net, carries at 2011 GMT on 24 September the text of the following letter by Usama Bin Ladin “to the Pakistani people.”

  • “We hope that these brothers would be the first martyrs in Islam’s battle in this age against the new Jewish crusade that is being led by the biggest crusader, Bush, under the banner of the cross. This battle is one of Islam’s immortal battles.”
  • “We beseech God to grant him victory against the forces of infidelity and arrogance, and to crush the new crusader-Jewish campaign on the land of Pakistan and Afghanistan.”
  • “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States.”
  • “Neither I had any knowledge of these attacks nor I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. . Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle.”
  • “All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.”
  • “Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the US Government has stated.
  • “The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive.”
  • “They can be any one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia.”
  • “Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.”
  • “Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these (FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 180)  agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taliban and then this incident happened.”
  • “Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the US Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat.”
  • “President Bush or any other US President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who made the attacks.”
  • “Supporting the US act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan.”
  • “I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom.”
  • “This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel.”
  • ”The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which make us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves.”
  • “Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.”


This transcript makes every word said about bin Laden a lie, every news report, every statement by our presidents and congress, if they lie about this, what else do they lie about?  It gets worse, much worse.


CIA files that dozens of members of congress have access to and dozens of journalists have seen introduce these facts:

  • Osama bin Laden had a cover name, Tim Osmon
  • Osama bin Laden was brought to the US through the airport in Ontario, California and settled in the San Diego area for a number of years.
  • He was paid by FBI funds and maintained contact with a number of high ranking individuals that I can name, but the last person doing something similar, is in jail.   The names include CIA, US Army, FBI and Department of the Treasury.
  • Tim Osmon, AKA Osama bin Laden visited the White House on at least one occasion.  Staffers there report the visit and witnessed Tim Osmon, yes, we are talking about Osama bin Laden meeting with George Herbert Walker Bush in the White House.
  • This is a fully confirmed report.

While bin Laden is accused of 9/11, others working in the White House tell us that Richard Clarke, managed secret projects for the Bush administration and Pentagon prior to 9/11 that puts his picture on the “wanted list” where bin Laden never belonged.


The president mentioned during his State of the Union address that congress should pass laws outlawing “insider trading.”  If any other American were to do it, they would go to jail.  Hundreds having committed crimes that members of congress commit every day are in federal prison.

On national television, the President of the United States announced that many members of congress are criminals and asked that they rescind the laws they passed that allow them to commit criminal acts and avoid prosecution.

Insider trading would cause members of congress to act against the interests of the American people and for corporations.  It would also turn members of congress into, not just millionaires, but full-fledged members of criminal organizations.

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If you just watched the video, you saw the president tell congress to stop being criminals.  They applauded as though they wanted to stop stealing.  I nearly fell off my chair.

First of all, I thank any person in Washington who tells the truth, which Obama did. But at the end of the broadcast, using laws on the books, 80% of the people sitting behind the desks, in the good seats, including members of the US Supreme Court, should have been arrested and jailed.

Congress does not have the right to pass laws that legalize criminal acts on their own part.

They did it !!

You heard about it.  This isn’t even close to the beginning and there are still people who believe that airplanes knocked down the World Trade Center or who don’t know the movie, “Flight 93” was, every single word of it, a total fiction.

Top US officials have actually come to me asking where I think the plane went and what happened to the passengers.  I told them.  It was a guess.  They wanted my guess.  You don’t get that guess today.

Here is another way of looking at it.  Only the President of the United States has authority to pardon or commute sentences for those convicted of or seeking immunity from federal prosecution.

In passing legislation that abrogates that right, legalizing violations of federal law by members of the legislative branch, the number of unconstitutional acts involved is almost countless.

Not only does this overrule separation of powers as outlined in the constitution, it is, in itself,  a usurpation, it essentially turns any authority empowered with the protection of the constitution, with or without writ of mandamus, that fails to act, into a party to criminal activity.

Congress has, in protecting itself from both civil and criminal remedies other than its of “witch hunts” against carefully chosen scapegoats, put itself above the law.  There is one purpose for that.  Members of congress continually commit serious felonies.  This means we are voting for criminals.

Does this make sense now?


Actually, it goes further than congress.  One presidential candidate, a very wealthy one, uses his “offshore accounts” to launder drug money.  The only reason for the offshore accounts is to take drug profits, by truck, into Mexico, paying off
customs officials on both sides of the border and moving the money into secret corporate accounts in the Cayman Islands.

"Ah...I think we need a faster process."

Not one scrap of information has been submitted on these accounts, where the money came from or how much is there.  It could be $75 billion or more.

There isn’t one scrap of evidence it was “earned,” in fact, were it earned, it couldn’t be in Cayman accounts. There would be a trail of taxes and clear evidence of investments or business enterprises which simply don’t exist.

Several years ago, Colonel Eugene Khrushchev, former First Secretary representing both the Soviet Union and Russian Republic in Kabul came to me with a story.

He said that Richard Hollbrooke, the top US official in Afghanistan was, in fact, managing the world’s largest drug empire.  Hollbrooke is dead now but the drugs continue to flow, $80 billion per year.

Others worked to find how Afghanistan went from a few hundred pounds of opium paste per year to tons of heroin flown around the world by private airlines contracted to the CIA.

Then we found irrigation projects, paid for at Hollbrooke’s request, costing millions, that watered opium poppies.

Then we found agricultural programs under USAID that moved opium production to areas more suited for that plant, upping production.  We even found the US aiding Afghanistan in buying shiploads of fertilizer to increase opium production.

Afghan Drugs Has Been a Huge Source of Corruption - A Rare Seizure Here Because it was Taliban Dope

Then, an investigative reporter came to me with evidence that current and former members of congress, some involved in organizations supposedly supporting a peaceful settlement in Afghanistan were, in actuality, importing chemicals used to convert opium to much more valuable heroin.

These efforts received full US government subsidies and protection and, in addition, paid taxes to the Taliban.

This is going on today and you are paying for it. The heroin, part of it, is being sold to your children.

It is being sold to everyone’s children as America now supplies 97% of the world’s heroin and smaller percentages, in some cases not much smaller of other drugs, cocaine, ecstasy, “meth” and is involved now in cultivating new strains of marijuana.

That, in itself makes me suspicious as it may actually be useful.


The US isn’t allowed to torture.  The CIA isn’t allowed to invent lies to push the US government into wars because members of that organization are spies for a foreign government or are receiving financial gain.

Many members of the CIA and other intelligence agencies are actually foreign nationals and active member of foreign intelligence agencies whose goals are inconsistent with the welfare of the United States.  Reporting this can and will get an honest CIA agent imprisoned.  Yes, dozens of CIA agents are also agents of foreign intelligence agencies, some of whom are known to have been directly involved in terrorists acts including but not limited to planting car bombs, killing American soldiers with IEDs and helping orchestrate financial crimes inside the US.

Many more foreign nationals inside the US carry falsified identification and pretend to be FBI or CIA or TSA or Homeland Security or even your local police.  They harass journalists or operate as assassination teams.  John Wheeler III was killed by one such team.  The American governent knows who they are but refuses to arrest them.

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When people talk about disbanding the CIA and starting all over again, they aren’t talking through their hats.  We wish the current director, former General Petraeus, an oddly able person, luck with dealing with this problem.

He will do nothing.  He can’t afford being accused of anti-Semitism, which is the direct threat he is currently under.  He is very aware of this.

Congress demands that he never “clean house,” no matter how many in the CIA are disloyal to the United States.

What am I saying?  Simply put, there are serious inconsistencies between many Israeli policies and the broader welfare of the United States, yet Israeli citizens are, to a large extent, in official policy making positions as paid employees of US intelligence and security organizations.

These are the individuals responsible for much of what you read above, very real proof of foreknowledge of 9/11 and to many, a trail of suspicion, backed by increasing hard evidence, now a deluge, that “foreknowledge” was actually “full complicity.”

How can Kiriakou be arrested for reporting criminal acts, unless you consider the withdrawal from the ICC (International Criminal Court) by the US as protection from crimes committed by Americans on the sovereign territory of signatory nations.

From a legal standpoint, the arrest of Kiriakou is complicity after the fact in war crimes and warrants can be issued by any signatory nation against any authority involved, which, in this case, is the Central Intelligence Agency and the United States Department of Justice, their directors, legal staff and participating enforcement officers. This includes judges.  They will be unable to travel outside the US.


Yesterday, Dr. Jim Fetzer and I talked for hours.  We talked much about the Kennedy killings and how TV shows try to depict the impossible act of shooting President Kennedy with a broken rifle through the middle of a tree in full bloom was beyond any imagination.

Real life demonstrations all failed, the last by Jesse Ventura.

TV stars do it all the time, on NCIS, on Bones, shots those of us who could shoot skeet with a pistol could never make.

What does this prove?  It tells me that the hopeless coverup of the murder of John and Robert Kennedy, tied to Vietnam, tied to Israeli nuclear weapons and tied to the infamous Federal Reserve System, is still an industry with backers who some would believe were “Hollywood liberals.”

We know them as traitors who still need to cover up a 50 year old crime, media powers that fictionalize history as they fictionalize our news.


Many of the things covered by President Obama, not enough things I admit, but many, would restore confidence and some legality to federal authority that is, in all probability, totally absent now.

Current monies held by the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, ordered released recently, are sufficient to impact the US economy, cut unemployment by 40%  and reduce our national debt.

These monies, according to documents filed in federal court this week, have, with the tacit approval of the Chairman of the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department, been illegally used as collateral by major banks.

In 2007, a federal suit was filed to recover $4.3 trillion USD stolen by Goldmann Sachs, Morgan Stanley and others..  A settlement was reached and the monies are to be returned, we are told, but no agency is enforcing the orders of the court or even the orders signed by the president of the United States.

Billions of this money now officially belongs to non-profit corporations earmarked for aid to homeless veterans and other projects.

Some of the language of that lawsuit will be included in the exhibits below.

Please note:  Goldman Sachs went to the Bush administration, straight to Paulson who had secretly lent them, tax free and interest free, $4.5 trillion dollars, and asked for a federal “bail out.”

He authorized it, just as he had authorized the illegal loan of money that was never his to lend in the first place.

Goldman Sachs never carried this on their books nor any of the profits, estimated at over $15 trillion dollars.  It was all laundered overseas while American taxpayers covered imaginary losses engineered by our own Secretary of Treasury.

You have heard stories that the Federal Reserve has lend out, illegally, trillions to their friends.  What they don’t say is that this money wasn’t theirs but stolen from accounts under their trust.  They is why they could do it, depending on court and enforcement agencies to look the other way under Ashcroft, Gonzoles and now even the Obama administration though our curren president has personally intervened.

His signed orders are now being ignored as though he were some bum off the streets.   What does this tell you?

Here is another even more interesting part:

So, we have, nearly 6 years ago, proof that China transferred $4.5 trillion dollars to the US, part of a fund to be used to finance public projects and reduce national debt and build a nationwide high speed rail system which would employ 400,000 Americans.

In the interim, who has been using this money?

Current court estimates indicate the value with interest at $7.2 trillion dollars, half the entire national debt.

The real question, of course, is how many trillions of dollars of profit was made by the banks who were allowed to borrow this money at no interest, enough to finance hundreds, perhaps thousands of trillions of dollars in transactions and untold profit.

These same banks claimed they were broke and had to be bailed out by the US government, begging trillions while hiding the fact they had been given the free use of trillions in illegal wealth from China, funding now proven to belong to Ameritrust and designated for rebuilding America.


As President Obama mentioned in the video above, the American people are increasingly separating themselves from their government.  Washington is looked on as a den of inequity, the center of all that is wrong in the world, a heart even darker than Wall Street.

" What Do You Mean How Much is Enough!!! "

As for “insider trading,” few know what it means.  Members of congress, not only profit from the companies they award government contracts to but are regularly awarded “stock options” which profit them billions, by authorizing the traditional “$600 toilet seat” times a million.

They wasted the future of America for their own enrichment, sucking the lifeblood of America and hiding behind illegal laws, crooked judges and a Justice Department that is required, we are told, to look the other way because congress is above any law.

As for Ameritrust and China, we find that members of the Bush regime personally authorized the lending an no interest of trillions of dollars of money that wasn’t theirs.

How were they repaid?  What we find, of course, is that the famous names of that period are investors and board members everywhere we look.

It has been a decade of thievery hidden behind the War on Terror, all done while American soldiers not only died, but were sent on missions to kidnap, torture and murder.

When those same soldiers returned, unprepared for anything but suicide, homelessness or murdering their own families, something that has happened more times than anyone could imagine,  the trillions in profits made off their destruction are too busy filling foreign bank accounts, those “Mitt Romney” accounts, to do any good.

When $2 billion is given to American veterans, they find it illegally lent to Goldman Sachs by former Treasury Secretary Paulson.  How do we get it back?  I have some ideas.

Editing:  Jim W. DeanDear Readers, A personal note.

If you have not caught on yet, a war is about to start. This huge grand larceny is just a beginning string to pull. In countries all over the world similar financial scams have been going on that have stolen more money and caused more suffering than a huge war.

Those that did this gave some of it away to charity and are feted as great citizens. And buying protection from prosecution, so far, has been pocket change for them.

To carry this through we are going to be calling on you to help. The bad guys know that if this gets started it could be all down hill for them. Ditto for many in Congress who have earned themselves life sentences.

These funds could have had a tremendous impact on blunting the worst part of the recession, but some very well known American figures and families put their own greed before the unneeded suffering of the American people. They have had little to no fear and they have bet that money rules. So we are going to find out if they are right, and so will you.

It’s time to choose sides folks. American has been betrayed by supposedly her best and her finest. It’s time for us to show them what we think of their efforts, and set an example. Let us know if you would like to help, because it is fix bayonets time.

If they get away with this, there is nothing that they will not do to us.

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75 Responses to "Tidbits: What is Being Held Back from You"

  1. Excalibur  February 4, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    No problem Angus my friend. Have a look at this footage of a defecting Soviet agent. This is from the pre-Putin era when the zionists controlled Russia. It not only explains much of what has happened to the west – but also the agent (very tactfully) explains at the end of the clip (about 15 minutes) that the subversion is not in fact controlled by the Russians or Russian Government. It comes from the “World Communist conspiracy”. I will leave you to work out who is behind THAT!


    No prizes for guessing the right answer.

  2. Excalibur  February 4, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Dirtus napus – it is true that the British Empire drew many of the border maps for these countries in the 1920s. Some were drawn irresponsibly over ethnic or natural divides. I don’t see your connection to the ordinary soldiers of the 21st Century, however. I am not defending historical border lines – all I am saying is that British soldiers could not understand what these wars were supposed to be about – and most still don’t. There have been constantly changing reasons given to us as to why we are there – killing local goat herders who clearly do not want us to be there. Not being informed as to why we are even there makes losing good men even harder to bear. Especially now that nobody trusts their own government any more either.

  3. LOB2065  February 2, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Great video about the death of America’s freedom – the background music is Mozart’s Requiem Mass (the Christian mass for the dead).


  4. LOB2065  January 30, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    One big problem in America. The US Congress has obviously been fed many lies, especially about Iran and Israel. Iran has made it clear it does not want any country in the Middle East to own nuclear weapons, including its own country. Israel is not under attack, it constantly attacks its neighbours to steal their land.

    The big problem is that America has allies. It worries me that the US Congress could be so uninformed, could be so wrongly informed. This group of people could not only send America to war but they could also send America’s allies to war costing many billions of dollars as well.

    I walked away from the State of the Union speech thinking these people are a bunch of mushrooms sitting in the dark being fed bullshit and they are making decisions based on this bullshit.

    Do not be surprised if countries who are America’s allies today are not in ten years time.

  5. xx  January 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Come now,

    It would take much more then someone from the chinese army, one-million $, but I’m sure you know someone who can try? You have to work much harder….

  6. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Russ, I generally prefer the simplest solution for any problem I encounter, as well. You aren’t the first to make that suggestion and you won’t be the last. I used to have to do extensive “contingency-planning” as a part of my daily grind for too many years, and I still live with the ghosts of those for whom our planning either mandated “no mercy or hesitation” or — worse — didn’t completely provide for. I have NO doubt whatsoever that THEY have exactly the same philosophy as you, and the worst part is THEY are fully prepared, fully equipped and — worst of all — organized.

    Whatever the cloudy future holds for us all, I am just religious enough to believe that no matter what comes to pass — if anything the Bible or all the other holy books say is true, God/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah WILL sort them all out eventually, and they will burn in some kind of everlasting hellfire for at least two eternities.

    I gave up on ever earning a ticket to Heaven myself decades ago, but I AM serious as hell about my final ride with the Valkryies some day… Count on that if you count on anything, brother…

  7. russell  January 30, 2012 at 4:03 am

    Kill Em ALL, Let God sort Em Out!

  8. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Sir — thank you most kindly for your comments. Very much appreciated. As you’ll notice by looking above, I have had some unexpected glitches with earlier replies to Tom V., thinking they’d been lost when they were apparently all in limbo. With that concern in mind, I combined my reply to Hugh and you together, directly above. I am more than ready to rock ‘n roll, and I certainly hope they are at VT. If I have to fly solo on the first expedition, so be it. Admiral David Farragut was one of my first military heroes — “Damn the torpedoes — full speed ahead…” All my best…

  9. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Hugh, many thanks, sir. I went to bed late last night, slept badly and thought what a fool I had probably made of myself in print yet again, then found your reply. Very much appreciated, and so well stated. It first reminded me of that great scene close to the beginning in “Troy” where Achilles asks “IS THERE NO ONE ELSE??” after he slays the giant warrior with his unhesitating (and therefore totally unexpected) leaping sword thrust to his throat, and an entire army stands cowering before him. If only it were that simple…

    A couple years ago at one of our formal CW events, I was asked to dance by an attractive and witty woman guest from England, who commented on all our period military garb and laughingly told me how she never could quite understand why we ever got so huffy and left the warmth of her mother-country’s embrace, since it was so obvious we STILL had “taxation without representation.” Even though it’s blatantly obvious the Republican wing of the American Fascist party really IS utterly intent on “drowning the gov’t. in the bathtub” to finally destroy any vestige of representative democracy (see Thomas Franks’ “The Wrecking Crew”), it’s equally obvious the Dems are doing little or nothing to resuscitate it beyond securing their own insider investments.

    So many smug commentators like to correct common folk who naively refer to their “rights under the Constitution,” and “democracy,” by reminding them condescendingly that “this is a Republic!” and how the framers took great pains to ensure there would be no tyranny of “mob rule” permitted, esp. after the bloodbath in France that had just ensued. You all are no doubt familiar with all that, but I’d like to remind one and all that it is the utter failure of the “common folk” to exercise “participatory democracy” that has led directly to vacuum being filled by the corporatocracy or whatever it is most properly called under which we currently suffer. We are all now seeing the dire results of our collective failure to take heed of Franklin’s warning about “keeping our Republic”…

    Of course, given all the propaganda, the media manipulation and sheer spirit-destroying spectacles of the Kennedy and King assassinations, Vietnam and so many other USG/Corporate travesties, it is no wonder the vast majority of middle and lower-class folks have given up on any participation other than perhaps a a bi-ennial vote for the PowersThatBe-selected candidates as “fulfillment of their civic duty.”

    Of course, I would have been thrilled if I had seen a dozen replies to my “suggestion” here today, Hugh, but yours and Truthman’s very kind words and enthusiasm are more than sufficient. Thank you. I realize also that it is a weekend, and we’re WAY down on the comment thread, as well, so not likely there will be much more of a response — here anyway. “Macht nicht” — this IS an idea whose time has truly come and what I proposed and WILL follow through on, is that highly informed and committed veterans such as many of you, and non-veteran patriots such as myself and others here, unite in bringing this powerful and empowering message directly to the masses with all the fanfare it can generate, no matter what.

    Out of respect for Gordon and the other stalwarts here at VT, I would not presume to hijack their site trolling for people to “march in MY parade,” but rather to hope that they WILL review what I have written above, carefully consider it as you have, and, as truthman urges directly below — make it happen. I have been waiting and watching from the sidelines for 20 years, so I am patient enough to allow for a “slow news weekend,” and hope for the best in the near future. As risky and uncertain as it may be, I remain very confident that if we DO take this message in a BIG way to the regular folks across the country, their response for the most part will be way beyond enthusiastic. No ? that they are utterly leaderless at this point, really have been for years, and desperate for genuine, sincere, informed pathfinders to clear the trail ahead…

    I have to concede that even though I have left enough clues for Tom V. to realize we have known each other for 40+ years (and he thought I was actually dead for half of them!) his only response to my challenge was to remark about Al Martin. So be it. Lord knows he’s paid his dues in this battle 1000 times over. I have already put the word out through my networks and will continue to do so, and certainly hope to hear directly from the honshos here soonest. Frankly, the fact that you and truthman actually read this far down the thread and took the time and energy to comment as you have is deeply inspiring to me and probably a good place to keep this conversation for right now, anyway, rather than on any front-page until more concrete plans are set in place.

    I just confirmed also that I will be appearing as a guest this Thursday night 10 p.m. PDT on my longtime friend (former SF) Don Ecker’s Dark Matters Radio
    and will certainly be laying the groundwork publicly for what I have already outlined here.

    As I said earlier, Hugh, similar efforts on behalf of the most decorated SF commander of the Vietnam era that kept him out of federal prison 20 years ago have proven to me that this effort WILL be worthwhile. As I have also said for years about our entire system in the US, “We CAN do better than this.” A good and effective job always requires careful, thoughtful planning. I remain hopeful that key people here WILL take notice and offer to collaborate, but, if not, I WILL continue to forge ahead. Where there is a will, there IS a way… One thing I also know as a recovering investigative journalist, as I’m sure my new buddy dirtus here will agree, is that we can painstakingly chronicle all the continuing horrors being perpetrated, but until we actually DO something concrete to change it, it will probably only get worse, as the masses adapt to yet another horrifying revelation to add to their already endless collection…

    Finally, along with will, as your last quotes so effectively illustrate, accepting the inevitable likelihood of mortality beforehand is almost a prerequisite for an undertaking of this magnitude, to be sure. I have been acutely aware of that element since I first became aware I was the son of a soldier, and a Marine, at that. Frankly, for too many years I was like the vast majority of other men who “live lives of quiet desperation” unconsciously grasping for continued safety and life, rather than risk and possible extinction. It is a very sad commentary on this country that we really have NOT had a genuine challenge worth laying it on the line for since before I was born nearly 60 years ago, but rather that so many hundreds of thousands of lives have been needlessly and brutally sacrificed to secure little more than corporate profit margins for nearly six decades since. Having barely survived countless “dark nights of the soul,” recoiIing in increasing horror at what these maniacs have done to essentially sodomize half the world with our backing if not outright blessing, I recognize more than ever that a coward truly DOES die a thousand deaths. There is no escaping the awareness from the moment we first draw breath that we all WILL surely die some day, but how few of us do ever REALLY live for what we truly believe?

    It’s late and I’m getting foggy after a long week, Hugh, so I won’t type in my final comment to finish this thought, but use the miracle of modern technology to sum up with this clip. As much as it may have become a cliche’, it still rings to the very heart of our situation today. In the days and months ahead, whatever lies in our path, I love my country fiercely even as as I loathe what it has become. And I give sincere thanks to the Creator for true gentlemen like yourself who also continue to “keep the faith” at all costs.


    We should ALL be asking ourselves “What WILL you do without Freedom?” If it should come to that, here’s to us all meeting one day on the fields of Bannockburn — and NOT Culloden…
    Godspeed, Hugh…

  10. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Hear, hear, aualloy. Of course, the bought bastards will never implement that since they would be the first in line to be prosecuted — yet another Catch-22. As a simple but graphic case in point, 20 years ago I was on a radio program in central FL with a “former” OSS/Agency vet talking mainly about drug flights and such into Homestead and places like that when a caller came on and insisted he had some great info to impart to us.

    When we met afterwards, he claimed to be “former” also, and his whole offer was some insider trading tips to “help us” with our efforts. He bragged openly about how Donovan and many of the boys at OSS and afterwards feathered their nests and funded real black ops by that method. We thanked him and blew him off, figuring it to be a set-up at best.

    I checked out the stocks he recommended and followed them for a few years afterward, and I can tell you I probably could have quit working entirely a decade ago if I HAD made the investments… Like another of their Agency brethren, John Stockwell, is fond of saying “We get the government we deserve.” We have all allowed all this crap to happen for far too long. Way past time to take out the trash…

  11. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Well, shoot, Tom, I’ve tried twice now to reply about our mutual friend and inveterate rogue, Lt. Commander Alexander Martin, and both times the website has dumped it. It was pretty harmless — if not amusing — compared to what I’ve already posted, and I thought some of your readers would find it entertaining, but I guess I’ll have to settle for sending it to you by e-mail. The again, maybe I’ve already exceeded my weekly quota for lines posted. Wouldn’t be the first time — as you’ve probably already surmised…

  12. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Ex, I’ve written more than enough here already, but I just wanted to thank you for helping me (finally) connect two great big dots I had missed up to now. I’ve always been very far-sighted and used to brag that I could do “precision brain surgery” at 1,000 yards, but I am well known to miss too many things right in front of my face. I’d somehow never seen it in quite that light. This “extracting the cranium from the anal-orifice” procedure sure isn’t an overnight operation, is it?

  13. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Well, dammit, anyhow, Tom. I just wrote a thoughtful (clever and entertaining) response in homage to our mutual friend and inveterate rogue, Lt. Commander Alexander Martin, and damn if your website didn’t lose it when I hit reply. Don’t have time to try to recreate it now, but I will. He deserves it… Glad you’re watching this thread, too. I really AM serious about this. I believe it will work, perhaps not immediately, but over the long haul. My other compadre, Don Ecker, just went back on the air this week at http://darkmattersradio.com/ and I guess I’ll be appearing next Thursday. I know the years have taken their toll on all of us, Tom, but is there any way we can get you to do another weekly program? Your voice of reason (and outrage) is needed now more than ever. Besides, we can use all the publicity we can muster for this “Save America” campaign I’m bound and determined to foment here… 😉

  14. Angus Alexander MacLeod  January 29, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Tom, I’m glad to hear that and sorry I missed them. Lt. Commander Alexander Martin was (and still IS, I hope) a rogue of the first order, unrepentant and unapologetically out for a buck when I knew him, but a lovable — and maybe even admirable — rogue, nonetheless. In case you, or any of the other folks listening haven’t noticed, my name here is a (Scottish) “nom de guerre,” based pretty much directly on my actual Norski given name, but also partly on the aforementioned Mr. Martin.

    I met him when I was down in Miami covering the Christic & Noriega trials not long before you arrived. I actually did my own first program with you on RFA at the very same time, from an unused hotel cloakroom right after my meeting with Hank Wharton himself… Al was obviously a lot sharper, better educated and more “worldly” than I was then (probably still is), and I will still never forget him openly mocking the two FBI agents who had openly followed him into the restaurant and sat staring at us the entire time of our first meeting.

    He completely briefed me on Frank Snepp’s damage-control efforts on behalf of Don Gregg during Pineapple-face’s trial, as well as that conducted with Noriega’s attorneys. I still have Frank Rubino’s outraged letter to me after I confronted him about some of it, still suitable for framing down the road. I’ll never forget the last phone call Al made to me when I was still in Orlando and he was bailing out of Miami, describing the very real body count the Bush Leaguers had already racked up in “damage control” against all active agents and assets who could still put them away after Clinton was elected.

    As John Cummings documented so well in the aforementioned “Compromised,” I don’t know what they were really worried about, since George and Slick Willie have always been on the same team as far as I’m concerned, but maybe it was more like the case of Howard and Dorothy Hunt, and the Bushes were just too damn cheap to keep paying “hush money.” Those bastards didn’t get (and stay) where they’re at by giving anything away…

    I’m tempted to say more, but will leave it at that for now. Al had one helluva website going some years back, much like my other compadre Orlin Grabbe’s (RIP), but I haven’t checked it for years. Guess I’m gonna have to now.

    You know, Tom, my other compadre Don Ecker out in LA just went back on the radio this week with his http://darkmattersradio.com/ after a long hiatus. Is there any way we can get you to do at least one weekly program again? Those WERE the days, and your powerful voice of reason (and outrage) is needed now more than ever… Besides, we can use all the publicity we can muster for this “Save America” campaign I’m bound and determined to foment here… 😉

  15. Tom Valentine  January 29, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Angus, since I am such an open book, I don’t feel too bad that Al Martin used Radio Free America so many times.

  16. Tom Valentine  January 29, 2012 at 9:29 am

    anti- archonist. I guarantee that Peter Beter existed. He was the prime source for my original stories which said: “No Gold in Fort Knox” National Tattler, 1974. Beter was part of the US diplomatic corps with the export/import bank. His info was proved when Buteau of Mint was forced to open vault for media (by those tabloid articles blaring out from every supermarket checkout stand). True to its mission, media whores plugged it up, and buried Beter as a loon; he was not, but you tell the results nicely.

  17. aualloy  January 29, 2012 at 7:34 am

    The loophole in which members of congress and legislative staffers are immune from enforcement of insider-trading laws, is because the delayed reporting of securities transactions by congress, defeats, obstructs, and impairs its use as timely evidence. Ninety days shows they do not want to comply. The House wants a separate set of laws just for them. Insider-trading cases are hard to prove, because the trades must be tightly linked to the events or information on which they are allegedly based. They should amend the SEC rules to include prompt disclosure on electronic, searchable forms., and put them in jail if they do not, so that the memories of potential witnesses are fresh, and suspects do not have time to cover up their actions. Lack of information is why no Congress people were investigated under the current laws.

  18. truthman  January 29, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Gentlemen! I have read some very powerful and moving content on VT over the last I don’t know how many years. However, this article and especially this series of eloquent and cogent comments, kept the hair standing up on the back of my neck for a solid hour. Angus Alexander McLeod, (your mom and dad were geniuses of naming, BTW) your “call to action” penned up above is one of the most stirring and moving pieces of penmanship I have ever read. Permission to Copy&Paste, sir? I am humbled and heartened by the patriotism and courage you all display. And though only in print, your sincerity splashes all over my computer screen. I know you can back it up. SALUTE!

    Now, let’s do this!

  19. Hugh  January 29, 2012 at 6:24 am

    “Of every One-Hundred men, Ten shouldn’t even be there,
    Eighty are nothing but targets,
    Nine are real fighters…
    We are lucky to have them…They make the battle,
    Ah, but the One, One of them is a Warrior…
    and He will bring the others back.”
    – Heraclitus (circa 500 BC)

    A civil servant in Spain, who after voting in a recent election said, “’we can choose the sauce they will cook us in, but we’re still going to be cooked.”

    The time has come for us to act or we won’t even have this option. At some point, people are going to have to realize that the powerful don’t relinquish their power voluntarily, and that they are beyond the reach of the ballot box. Have peaceful alternatives been exhausted?

    Angus, your ideas have merit and I’m fairly certain they would be well received by the vast majority of Americans, as well as non-Americans alike, who have taken the red pill and no longer rely on the MSM for access to their news. Yet, there are far too many people still clinging to the notion that there may be a political solution (as if that’s going to solve anything) and may want to refrain from participating in anything that appears, at least on the surface, remotely radical to them while there’s still an outside chance that Dr. Paul may get the nomination. Of course, they will be forced to abandon any hope for a resolution should Dr Paul fail in his bid for the presidency or face his ultimate demise should he succeed. The PTB will see to that. Either way, the people lose. Either event could very well be the casus belli and trigger an uprising by the masses on a scale unlike anything that has come before.

    An armed revolt, at this time, would be foolish of course; wrong on so many levels. Such a response is playing right into their hands. They want it; they need it in order to justify recently passed and pending legislation. Now that they have the infrastructure in place, an event, real or more likely, manufactured, is all it will take for them to clamp down; to activate their end game scenario if you will. We must never give them a reason, in as much as we can/control, to start rounding up people. As long as they hold the keys to the armory and the means of production for those predator drones, a campaign of guerilla war about the truth and what’s really going on is a great idea that will be waged wherever there are two eyes to see and two hears to listen.

    Captain Speirs: “Blithe; you know why you hid in that ditch?”
    Private Blithe: “I was scared.”
    Captain Speirs: “Hell, we’re all scared Blithe. No Blithe; you hid in that ditch because you think there’s still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you’re already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function. Without mercy; without compassion; without remorse. All war depends upon it.”

  20. Angus Alexander McLeod  January 28, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Actually, no, dn, I missed that one. I really WAS just a youngster at that time, tho’ I almost made a return visit to Libya in ’92 on my way back from what later became the “Green Zone.” My ex-father-in-law fought at Casserine, but never talked much about it. I’ll check it out, and do feel free to send any references along. My email is my name with just middle initial in the middle @gmail.com. I always appreciate such hidden stories. Still working on the Patton murder after all these years, and the (alleged) execution of some of the Bonus Army in the South back in the 1930s. I am humble enough to admit that I have had to revamp my understanding of a helluva lot of modern history (going back at least a couple hundred years now). Have been heavily involved in Civil War re-study, but have also had that small inner voice commanding me to re-view all the Hitler material for years. Used to despise Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest for many years as a slave trader, war criminal and Ku Kluxer, but had some major revelations about him since. I have been suspecting for some time now the same awaits as I probe further into the writings/record of Herr Schickelgruber… And I completely agree with your last statement. Reminds me of that great scene in the recent film, “War Horse” where the Brit and the German wrangle over who gets to keep him. Been in the trenches myself, and I never forget one of my old best friend’s adages that “the main problem with most armies is that their guns are usually pointed 180 degrees in the wrong direction.” Courage, bravery, valor and honor are where you find them…

  21. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Well said, I’m going to skip a reply to what you have mentioned by way of history, especially at the end there. If you have spent time in that region of Africa, do you know about the German Thermopolia? Quite a fascinating little episode of normal men in North Africa defending what they thought was worth defending. It’s quite unbelievable, but we know this one is true, unlike most of WWII. To quote Patton, “Give me three divisions of SS men and I can conquere the world”. These men were not even trained Waffen SS that I speak of…. I can quote the book, witnesses and americans that fought there if you don’t know. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about… 50 men against a division, 5-105’s, 3 mg-42’s, a few tubes….. grenades…… I believe we’re talking about long odds here, warms the heart no matter what flag you’re born under.

  22. Angus Alexander McLeod  January 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    I’m more serious than a heart attack about what I just wrote, but I also wanted to say there are some excellent posts above mine. Your realistic, no-BS appraisals are refreshing, dirtus, and your observations and style are just outstanding, Ex. Same for the rest of you. We all may be totally wrong, god forbid — but goddammit, we’re trying our best — right? Never forget that we really DO have plenty of company in intelligence, capability, courage and decency out there in the real world, too. I salute you all…

  23. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Also: “Everyone I knew in the Brit military were against the intervention in Afghanistan as well as Iraq. Nobody understood what they were about – or what they were for. None of it was in British interests for sure.”

    BULLSHIT, it’s your fault and I have no problem hanging the boundries, strife, and political mayhem on your neck. You guys redrew it all. It’s just that the neojews used it as a reason to expedite war for other ends. And if people think it was to annex the land for greater Judea, I tell them “bring a geiger counter”. It’s all uninhabitable for the self chosen one’s. Northern Iraq sure, but not the south like the map suggests. Did you ever think that the wind blows east into other countries? Places like, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan? Make no mistake, this has been and currently is a nuclear war. Festering consequences, untold misrery, zygotes destroyed upon mathematical reaches you do not know. It’s been going on since 1999. It never stopped. It’s not about preserving our oil output so that we can be supreme in some far dated olympiad. It’s about killing them off with weapons that leave no trace to the common news reader. Domination, dominionism above the tar babies, control over a backwards element that will bite the bankers in the ass if they’re left to the unclean that may rise up against them at some later date. There is enough oil and gas for the world 100X over, it not about oil, it’s about control. These United States knows that energy is precisely tied to control, economy, and war making capabilities. That’s what the CFR, TRI, and the Hunt’s of the world talk about, constantly. Lest we mention their bosses the Queen, Roths, Warburgs who actually own the “entire” playground.

    Secondly, ah the hell with it………….read up. For those that think Iran has anything to do about oil or nuclear weapons, they’re half right. It’s money, and they can’t be alowed to have any, because their out of the sphere, and not predictable to those that conspire to predict everything for your future.

  24. Angus Alexander McLeod  January 28, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    As far as I’m concerned, the jury is still out on Ms. Lindauer. Haven’t read her book yet and only watched a couple videos briefly, so I’m really not qualified to comment, but must say my “skin feeling” about her is that something’s not quite right. I hope like hell to prove myself wrong in that regard. Like my old friend John Judge used to say about questionable types: “They are almost always at least one of the “As” for sure — Agent, Asset or Asshole.” We’ll see. Over the years I’ve met quite a number of admitted “former ‘assets'” like Al Martin, who supposedly have come over to the side of “truth and decency,” but even Al admitted to me that, even after his trumped-up conviction, he was mainly angry at his old cronies, Dick Secord & Co., for not letting him back in “the Enterprise.” Al even let me listen in on a conversation with Secord where he was chortling about how he was making million$ more in arms deals a few years AFTER Iran-Contra than he ever did during, so the “beating” he took in Congress was well worth it…

    On a different note, but related to Jim Dean’s and dirtus’ comments in the article and directly above, I had asked/demanded awhile back that Gordon actually specify the most specific needed changes to be made in our crumbling Republic and some outline of specifics as to how to go about it, and I noted that he complied to some extent not too long after. Since the point was made again in more blunt terms by Dean here, I’d like to suggest in general terms a REAL approach that you all at VT, informed/committed readers and/or myself, might consider taking to deal more directly with this dilemma. I am no idealist, or neophyte in such efforts, nor do I have any illusions about how basically futile any such course probably is in dealing with the “general public,” as opposed, say, to “darker/quieter approaches” that many of us may be more familiar with. Of course, we all know that TPTB and their minions scour the Net minutely for any such indications. I could also even hold back and make this proposal itself privately, but what the hell? — in for a penny, in for a pound…

    As I tell the many people I run into who are beyond fed up with the situation, know we’ve all been utterly sold out and see no daylight at the end of the tunnel, any type of violent resistance, esp. armed, is already anticipated, planned for and probably hoped for by the Overlords (my term) and their lackeys. As a Civil War re-enactor, I am acutely familiar with the “blowback” effect of John Brown’s raid at Harper’s Ferry in ’59 to get the party started (and the irony of being apprehended by then Col. R.E. Lee and Lt. J.E.B. Stuart). Having lived and worked in the 3rd world much of my life from childhood — beginning in Libya — I try to remind all such proponents of “revolution” I encounter of the vast differences between our current situation and 1776 and 1861. I’m sure I don’t need to specify them for any of you, but the bottom line is that the best possible outcome would likely be mass slaughter and rapine leading to gang/warlordism, and the worst a total military-enforced gulag state — all of which has been well-predicted AND planned for, I have NO doubt…

    So, consider this: Since you brave folks at VT are already leading the charge in print and video/radio, anyway, why not take this show on the road? Sounds silly, if not ridiculous on first hearing, I know, but consider the impact it really COULD make, primarily on the general public, many of whom ARE coming up to speed and ready to be inspired by not only REAL “leadership,” but seeing specific individuals, ESP. VETERANS — who have already proven their dedication to this country. laying out the TRUTH, or the closest facsimile we can muster on The High Cabal, 911, JFK, Banksterism, etc., to them face-to-face. I have believed from Day One that McVeigh, for example, was a false-flag latter-day John Brown, and the videos of him in BDUs in an APC at that base in the Midwest a year or more after his supposed discharge confirms that. Consider the impact that entire fiasco has had for nearly 20 years since as a well-planned precursor to 9-11 and whatever else these SOBS have on their flip-charts for the near future?

    What the hell are the Overlords going to do to muffle OUR impact? Anything they try to do will only draw more attention to it. Of course, they will try to ignore it, and then denigrate and ridicule it, etc. We all know the drill. But with the caliber, the expertise and the sincerity of you folks to whom I am speaking, anything they do will only insure your statements will go viral. No ? there are basically a lot of dead-weight/American Idol aficionados out there who won’t give a shit until they’re forced into the FEMA camp lines at gunpoint, but the millions of other aware folks are so desperately hungry for any TRUE leadership — that even Dr. Paul CAN’T provide at HIS level. I’ve been out in the hinterlands. I KNOW this to be a fact…

    Case in point: Stephen Colbert’s “Candidacy.” We all know it’s a joke, a parody, a satire — maybe even a veiled insult to all of us. But look at how many people support it, and love him for it, anyway. George Carlin — ’nuff said… Given the parade of clowns in the GOP (save for Dr. Paul) and what most of us know and acknowledge about our current fearless leader, I think it is very possible the reception/reaction from regular Americans could seriously surprise (and maybe even inspire) all of us. Call it the Ist Amendment Army (of One Hundred), or Rolling ThunderClap, or Veterans’s Vendetta, or Hell for Breakfast, or Monday School, or whatever, but I think in this simple, very direct way we could seriously galvanize a nation, friends. I have done work like this before with a retired Army Col. facing 15 years in federal prison to shut him up whom you may know 20 years ago, and set up and attended events like this with other former Intel gents, and the response was always staggering… (At least I know some of you guys are well-qualified to provide some serious security for the speakers, which is a comforting thought…)

    But I’m not talking about just a “speaking tour” this time — I’m talking about a CAMPAIGN — with a REAL battle plan – a realistic and viable plan to save America (and maybe even, the world)… Sounds hokey, I admit, but that’s EXACTLY what I mean. People are so damn hungry — starved — to hear the truth about all this from decent, honest, sincere people who HAVE spent time in the trenches and KNOW WTF they’re talking about — with a REAL plan to make vitally needed changes. Look closely at what Gen. Butler did with the Bonus Army back in the 1930s and for years afterward, speaking directly to his beloved veterans, and anyone else who would listen. That was beyond futile, in retrospect, I realize, but we have so many more tools at our disposal today, do we not? I could go on with many more specific details (I’ve had too many years to consider this already), but I think you get the picture.

    dirtus suggested above that only a military coup would have the power to “re-direct” the current trend, and in years past I’ve been somewhat inclined to agree with him. Most of you have a far better sense of what the officer corps is inclined to think nowadays, and I would like to believe there remains that level and breadth of decency still at the heart of our services, at least in the middle grades, but my recollection of most “Colonels’ Coups” in history quickly brings to mind Castillo Armas, Khaddafi, Sukarno, Saddam, Pinochet, the Shah, and worse (in Africa). I’m inclined to think too many of those guys still in uniform are still too oriented to paly it safe and “follow orders” while the brass are gonna protect their own well-feathered nests at all costs — but, again, I hope like hell I’m wrong.

    If there ever WAS a time — and a method — to “try mens’ souls,” this would be it — taking it directly to the people, putting them to the test — and watching it spread like wildfire. The more the media and TPTB would try to muffle it, the more it would enflame. Light is like that. So is Truth… In a far better and much mroe realistic and productive way, I believe we could make a strong enough impact to shore up some of the still-decent, if debilitated, spines in Congress and the boardrooms. And, if not, to at least put them on formal notice…

    Of course, expect arrests, expect mysterious accidents, expect worse. These bastards won’t give up without a vicious fight and none of us have any illusions about how they work, either. I had always understood the Russians to be the most ruthless killers, but the “twin-triangle” thugs run a real-close second, if not first… But if there is a chance this COULD succeed — or at least “up the ante” — is it not worth taking? What kind of future do all of us really foresee for ourselves at this point, anyway, the way things are headed — esp. if we DON’T pursue SOME avenue like this to “re-direct”?

    Sounds real crazy, I know, but consider it. Don’t hold back with your reactions, either: I’ve got broad shoulders and, anyway, nicer people have probably said worse things about me or my ideas already — I’m still standing. If you have a better, more effective idea or plan, as my other old friend Mr. Perot said 20 years ago: “I’m all ears…” Otherwise, I’m gonna do this, anyway. I have no choice any longer — it’s all I CAN do. After all that my dad (who fought in Korea, retired and then went back to Vietnam Civil Service) and my grandfather (who fought with TR in Cuba and then came home to get hit and killed working on the highways), and your fathers and grandfathers and so many others have sacrificed — for centuries, goddammit — for us all, is the situation not THAT serious? Does it not call forth from us ALL that we can do, whatever the risks?

    When I was a very young kid kid growing up in Tripoli (Wheelus AFB) 10 years after the War, wearing my Davy Crockett coonskin cap and carrying my trusty sword and six-shooter chasing (imaginary) bad guys through the 3,000-year-old Roman ruins at Leptus Magna, the wounds of the war were still all around, even in the air itself. One of the first things I learned about the war was of the dastardly murder of those millions of poor Jews by that mad-dog Hitler, and all these years since, I could NEVER understand how those people would have allowed themselves to be rounded up by the thousands and meekly submit to their fate without a protest or a fight. Of course, as a professional student of history, I have long since learned that “history IS written by those who have hanged heroes” and there is far more (or less, if you will) to THAT story. But I have always been inspired by the stories of those who resisted, those who risked all to show their true humanity — the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, Schindler, Count Bernadotte — even as I have also learned about the vast “official” treachery and betrayal before, during and after the war… I hope what I recall of the honor and courage of the former IS true, and not yet another myth, but I DO believe we ARE in such times, NOW… Far better to do ALL possible to rectify the situation while there is still a chance, than to wait until there is none…

    I’m not asking you to join me, brothers. I’m asking to join YOU….

  25. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Have I told you how much I love you lately Bill? Don’t forget the #1 rated anti-terrorist plane anti-Hi-jack, Iraeli shitbag specialist in the world sitting amongst the hijackers. 1 in 14 trillion were the last odds on that one. Only Lucky Larry would have made that bet. Sheesh, I’ve heard down here in S. FLA that when a jew lies in court and is caught, they say he was just “using his imagination* . Gotta trade mark that one, whoops, the local rabbi already did. Different set of rules the supreme court goes by as well. Remember, it was them that made sure Bush got in there 2 times, also remember, they passed the 2nd amendment by 5-4. People rejoiced, and I said, “HOW IN THE *UCK WAS IT THAT CLOSE?” NOW YOU KNOW WHY…. Keep the faith

  26. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Here in the USSR we call it, RUMMSELDISM. That is-fire everyone that opposes your views, promote “proto fascists” and any general/admiral that may think false flags are bad ideas. There was a thing in your country called “common purpose” and it was pointed out by a very capable sub driver at the time. Striking testimoney by him, must watch.

  27. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Gordon, I’d be willing to drive to mongolia without a car to show you how to post things anonymously so that we can all see the miraculouseness of it all, I did that for people for a long time. The claims w/o claims don’t jibe. I could leak the library of congress with half ass onion routing for over an 100 hr period sir. Lemme tell ya, NSA isn’t omniscient, not e v e n c l o s e. Especially since you’re the cloak de guerre of american reporting, you must know the bluff is called here? Cmon man, it ain’t holding back for us that know, and you don’t make .35 cents a copy, guys like us are asking questions……it’s starts with a B.

  28. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Todd, those are the things that convince people like me that this isn’t a “Mockingbird” facility and is the hapless gathering that just might be in defense of what we all care about. I do have serious *UCKING problems with the amount of what all true americans care about with this site, however…..and that is censorship. Man Up Jim and company. I had no idea combat veterans were so risk averse to what they were supposedly defending with their lives at one point?

  29. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    Leaving 9/11 to cover other stories is, I think on this forum, a natural progression. I do wish a swell could be built here, I leave it up to you to figure out why it hasn’t happened. The rule of law has been suspended in the open now. It was always like that, yet in days past the lawyer(ees) was better at convincing you things are being taken care of and it made you feel like someone, somewhere, was “on it”. Now, not the case. At the same time, this suspension, may make it easier to make ‘redresses’ however ugly, more acceptable for the right cause, at the right time when needed. If you understand me? Cryptic of course. Ipso facto, the public is more willing to assuage grievances….I constantly think of hung juries, jury nullification, and of course-nooses. Caveat, who spends $18 million supressing a piece of paper that costs $35 to produce? Back to my point, why do people here back this man up when he has done nothing, NOTHING, NOTHING, to help, when he most assuradly had the power to do so? Moreover, why is there special mention of a man who has, “FACTUALLY” proven to write laws to imprison us without any laws in our favor? It’s antithetical to the principals of mankind. Speak of barbarity there….

  30. dirtus napus  January 28, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    I have proven to be at least the second sharpest knife in the drawer in every setting of my life and I’m well read (thanks, favorite author here too.) Like I stated to my father over dinner, TWICE, in the last few weeks…..if you think it’s going to be peaceful, you are high. Seriously, does anyone remember how this country came about? I’ve been told I have a different kind of PTSD where I can still stand the barbarity but I look over my shoulder forty times a day- but I’m not walking out on the fight that needs to come. I’ve decided after many letters from friends and others, I’m not leaving after all, I’m god damn staying here. Also, the russians took allllll of the guns and weapons from the people to carry out most of what we learned about in Russia. I would recommend reading “gunfacts” it’s a free PDF and it’s excellent btw, I read some of it today for no reason other than it was there, again. Also, welcome back, I haven’t seen you name here in a while. My old ‘name was dirt, until they made me log in. I was promised a picture too! I will not use fascistbook, so…. Another thing, no matter how cogent your point, obeying the rules will still get your post removed if you question to accurately here. Sad……..

  31. Excalibur  January 28, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I believe entirely that the list of points attributed to Bin Laden above – are in fact exactly what he said and believed. They make perfect sense. It also sadly demonstrates that a man can be utterly misrepresented around the world by a highly controlled media – that lies in a routine and carefully orchestrated pattern. No matter what he said – his voice was just drowned out by the satanic masters of deceit.

    Bin Laden was only wrong about one point – his last one. He thought that the US and British military would crumble during their operations because they were in the wrong and not properly motivated. It is testimony to the professionalism of the lads on the ground that this has not happened – despite the criminally negligent way in which their so called leaders have treated them and falsely deployed them.

    There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that israel has penetrated every facet of US and British life – twisting it and warping it to the benefit of their zionist messianic goals. Its direct agents, agents under deep penetration (sometimes over generations) – and its bribed Judas officials – have destroyed traditional life in our western countries as we came to know it. This includes the deliberate breakup of the family unit and all moral codes of behaviour – that were only the expression of centuries of common sense in order to keep society healthy. They have insidiously infiltrated into the highest offices in the land – until they have been in a position to implement all manner of evil and nefarious planning.

    They have in fact always done this – but recent years have seen a marked change in their tactics and mode of behaviour. They are not now as patient as their forefathers. They are more greedy. They are drunk with power and consider themselves untouchable. They are making big mistakes like the loss of Russia to an honest nationalist – like Putin. New forms of media like TV and accurate socio-demographic targeting for marketing campaigns have given them the ability to weave their tawdry spell quickly over vast swathes of the population. Much of the population is continually hypnotised – but will one day most certainly re-awaken. Now the internet is compromising their plans before they can even implement them – and their malign operations, both new and old, are becoming visible for all to see. All you have to do is open your eyes and ignore ALL news and government advice.

    The time is coming when they will be stopped – and stopped forever. This danger cannot be allowed to reach into and infect another generation. Any sensible and rational analysis of the situation calls for the complete removal of this threat to the world which can only be reduced to an ‘us or them’ scenario. “Beware ye the Goyim alerted!”

  32. Gordon Duff  January 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm


    I have two boeing engineers that said the plane could only fly that low on full flaps at under 200 knots, not at 560. they said wing turbulance would have destroyed the plane a mile before, strewing parts over miles.

    then again, please post the photographs of the reconstructed wreckage, which would not be classified, as rquired by law

    i have seen the sat photos of this airliner…17 feet long

    if the government disagrees, then it can give us one of its 85 videos it claims it has that are classified which, for ten years, have never had a single frame made public

    because they don’t exist

  33. Excalibur  January 28, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Everyone I knew in the Brit military were against the intervention in Afghanistan as well as Iraq. Nobody understood what they were about – or what they were for. None of it was in British interests for sure. The attempts to link 9/11 to these invasions were weak at best. Right from the beginning it was clear that the whole thing was a blag. There was nothing wrong with supporting our US allies – and of course you must carry out orders and do your duty when called upon – but the logic being presented was not enough to fool a chimpanzee. It was possible to visibly discern, by watching politicians on TV, that they either did not know what it was all about – or were all lying about the real intentions. I suspect the latter in most cases.

    A constantly changing rational was strung out as our reason for being there – and justification for the loss of servicemen’s lives. This suddenly highlighted the fact that ‘elected’ politicians were not setting policy themselves at all – and were actually ‘taking orders’ from somebody else behind the scenes. Senior politicians must of course know who this is and be somehow indebted or beholden to them – otherwise they would never get into those positions of power in the first place.

    I know of two separate events where British officers on the ground in Afghanistan – made local decisions to destroy poppy fields that were obviously destined for heroin production. With such a crap war built on lies – and good men dying for no apparent reason – it seemed to make sense to them that at least SOME good could be gleaned out of their presence by putting an end to the illegal drug running cartels and all the misery it causes around the world. It was not long before the screaming started – and orders ‘from above’ put an immediate stop to any such well intentioned clean up operations. The poppy fields and drug running operations had to be left alone. One symptom of the last 15 years in Britain has been the destruction of the capable, patriotic and loyal senior military officer class. They traditionally resisted ‘politically correct’ indoctrination and subversion pushed on the military – and were no friends of the extreme leftist recent governments. Politicians have somehow intervened now to remove and pass over best officers that would naturally run the armed forces best – and have replaced them with ambitious ‘yes men’ that are happily prepared to wreak havoc and destruction on their own men in return for rank and power. They will also say whatever is necessary to say in order to support their political masters.

  34. Angus Alexander McLeod  January 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I have been frustrated along the same lines for years, d n, still wondering why we aren’t meeting, comparing notes, drawing up criminal affidavits and making armed citizen’s arrests, if necessary. I gave up being a “scribbler” myself years ago. We all know the shit is real deep, everything else is just “variations on a theme.” Obama is clearly just the latest corporate puppet, as was “Howdy W.” Dual- citizen scumbag Rahm Immanuel’s appointment as O’s chief of staff was your first certain clue. When is anyone gonna start handing out shovels and organize the removal party? To paraphrase Mr. Dean. It’s “put up or shut up” time, IMHO, while we CAN still act…

    (A borrowed quote) Alexander Solzhenitsyn is one of my favorite authors. In one of his books, the first volume of Gulag Archipelago, he wrote about how the communists in Russia, who consisted of only the Jews and a tiny minority of Russian criminals, amoral opportunists, and welfare rabble — the sort of people who support Bill Clinton/BHO in America today — were able to maintain their grip on all of Russia by keeping the Russian majority, which hated them, too frightened to resist.

    Solzhenitsyn writes of the period in 1934 and 1935, when the Jewish commissar Genrikh Yagoda headed the Soviet secret police, and Yagoda’s black vans went out every night in St. Petersburg, known then as Leningrad, to round up “class enemies”: former members of the aristocracy, former civil servants, former businessmen, former teachers, professors, and professional people, any Russian — any real Russian — who had graduated from a university. A quarter of the population of the city was arrested and liquidated by Yagoda during this two-year period.

    Solzhenitsyn laments that the citizens of St. Petersburg cowered behind their doors when the black vans pulled up at their apartment houses night after night to arrest their neighbors. If only the decent Russians had fought back, Solzhenitsyn says, if only they had ambushed some of these secret police thugs in the hallways of their apartments with knives, pickaxes, or hammers, if only they had spiked the tires of the police vans while the thugs were in the apartments dragging out their victims, they could easily have overwhelmed Yagoda’s forces and forced an end to the mass arrests. But they didn’t fight back, and the arrests and liquidations continued. And so, Solzhenitsyn concludes, because of their cowardice and their selfishness the Russians deserved what the communists did to them. Do we deserve better?

  35. Excalibur  January 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    They want revenge against Putin above all. He has ousted or arrested all the zionist Oligarchy in Russia – which is their BIGGEST MISTAKE of the 20th Century. The entire 1917 coup d’etat and Soviet bloc has been a waste of time for them now. The original intention was to use the Soviet empire to take over the world. The loss of Russia back to the Russian people is why controlling the west in an iron grip has become so important to them – and they would love to engineer a war with Putin as well as Iran.

  36. Angus Alexander McLeod  January 28, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Jim, we have commo’ed briefly before. See my offer to G. at top of comments. It is bone-deep — I’d load up tonight without hesitation. I’ve been “under the leaves” for too many years, feeling “why bother? The sheeple don’t give a damn, they are infinitely ignorant of what is really going on and don’t WANT to know, and couldn’t be brought up to speed in time, anyway, even if they did.” Figured I’d eventuially end up “hanging separately” at best… Y’all are of a vastly different stripe.

    I was deeply “informed” and/or involved back then, including many of the things you gents write about frequently, and more: The “other” Wm. F. Buckley, head of the worldwide Agency Assassination bureau who is reputed to have been the actual coordinator of Dallas ’63, but was certainly the primary reason for the October Surprise “recovery effort” in ’80; the trillion$ Marcos Gold smuggle from Guam to Zurich (buried in the Kloten Vault under the runway) in ’89 — I knew the pilots and made the phone calls to set it up; the phony Area 51/UFO dog-and-pony show orchestrated by one of those pilots (I think you can still read my book about that for free online, tho’ one guy wants over $100 for it at Amazon..); Gen. Khun Sa, world overlord of heroin in Shan Provinces — I made the videotapes that were mailed to ALL members of the Senate Armed Services Committee that resulted in Richard Armitage dropping out in the middle of his own confirmation hearing to “spend more time with his family,” the same lardass who actually outed Valerie Plame for Bush and Powell; interviewed Gen. Ayad Khalil, commanding general of the Iraqi Army at length in the newly rebuilt Defense Ministry in ’92, along with his Oil Minister who told me to my face in perfect English THEY did NOT start the fires in Kuwait when they left — and showed me unexploded missiles with “twin-triangle” markings still clearly visible. Apparently Maddas was actually too frightened to meet with me himself. Go figure…

    I was extremely close to “Pierre” — Bill McCoy — (see “Compromised” by John Cummings) the former Army CID investigator who knew where half the bodies were buried in DC before they (probably) took him out, too — including the asswipes who dumped Vince Foster’s body in Ft. Marcy Park after he was strangled in the WH basement — and so forth… He told me to my face last time I was in DC that Waco was just a rehab center for all the weapons ATF seized and supposedly melted down, but were instead stored in quonsets at Ft. Chaffee when Slick Willie was honsho, modified at Mt. Carmel and then traded in CentAm for the actual bales of $ and blow that were air-dropped over Dan Lasater’s ranch on the return trip. Probably the reason the ATF gunman shot three of his own buddies on that Mt. Carmel rooftop to set off that whole rodeo…

    This shit is just bottomless — as you so well know… I admit, I was still a bit in denial about the depth of kosher treachery before I came to VT, like so many others, sadly — even after personally outing the flight director of the OS arms shipments to Teheran from Tel Aviv and those to Somalia, Hank Wharton, in Miami, along with the Institute’s reputed #1 man in America, Marshall Landy, back in ’92. I even went to the extent of posing as a reporter directly to Wharton’s house to “count coup,” where he gushed to me about all manner of things, including Reinhard Deitrich, another MAJOR untold story. One of my very close contacts there, who did a 7-year stretch in Marion himself for fingering Ollie’s coke flights with an 800# load of his own, swore the bales were wrapped in “twin-triangle burlap” when he picked them up, but none of the 600# that showed up in court still carried them. He claimed also that he flew many of the mothballed planes supposedly melted down for re-use by US military to Tel Aviv himself for Wharton and his Agency higher-ups back in the 50s and 60s. My arrogance appearing at Wharton’s as I did cost another poor guy with a company named nearly the same as mine at the time, Arik Afek, his life — they found him decomposing in a car trunk at the Miami Airport. You probably already know about Amiram Nir going down in Mexico, and so forth… Operation Watchtower in Colombia — the killing of the three US Army Colonels; Harari and Noriega… Very ugly picture. The Cold War was one thing — at least the lines seemed a bit more clearly drawn. This Silent War has seemed so much more sinister — harder to tell whose side anyone is on anymore … You guys have helped bring me pretty well up-to-speed about the REAL enemy — and given me hope again –for which I remain deeply grateful.

    Mr. V. has known me for more than 40 years. I remain humbly at your service, gentleman — ANYtime…

  37. Angus Alexander McLeod  January 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    You don’t post ANY bad ones, Gordon. This one is just more excellent than all the others. I have said for too many years that “I live for the day.” My next-door compadre says “I was born for it.” On 2nd thought, I sure as hell was, too, and my birthday on Nov. 10 was my very first clue. My boots, bullets, bushwhacker and boonie bag are right by the door at all times. Mr. V has my number. Semper Fi — De Opreso Liber. Let ‘er rip!

  38. Buck7  January 28, 2012 at 6:25 am

    It bothers me that those two photos showing Brzezinski with a man identified as bin Laden are included in the article. I noticed that height difference myself and so I did some checking and found a picture of Brzezinski in a group photo. He did not stand out at all as being taller than most other persons in the photo, and unless all in the photo are 6 1/2 feet or taller, there’s no way the soldier pictured with Brzezinski is bin Laden. It doesn’t even look like bin Laden. I’m looking for sources of information that I can trust, but seeing an obvious hoax such as those photos reproduced here does nothing for the credibility of the editor, good intentions notwithstanding. If the editor is on the up and up, and I hope he is, then lets do a little more fact checking before publishing.

  39. Tom Valentine  January 28, 2012 at 6:08 am

    Why continue to insinuate that Obama has anything positive to offer; he is even more a handpicked muppet than george bush; this is what I find most wrong about persons who claim they are “progressives”
    they are equally oxymoronic as Christian Zionists.

  40. foo  January 28, 2012 at 4:39 am

    @ Latney Davis

    If you’ll read the full article, you’ll see that there is no ambiguity. She states that there were human hijackers.

    You’ll also pick up on this, toward the end of the article:

    “Our relationship soured as I became convinced Republicans at the top echelons allowed 9/11 to happen, killing thousands of innocent Americans and international citizens, so they could build a phony case for War against Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    That’s the old LIHOP — Let It Happen On Purpose, and also not one word in the article about Israeli involvement.

    Whether or not she is telling the truth, she is still a limited hangout. She gets us no closer to the truth of what happened on 9/11.

    Moreover, why hasn’t anyone addressed the possibility that the warnings in the months before 9/11 were fake?

  41. Charlotte NC Bill  January 28, 2012 at 3:50 am

    Dov Zakheim and his friends at P-Tech/Mitre ( with their “work” im the basement of the FAA the year before 9-11 ) handled that one…the planes were electronically hijacked..Joe Vialls covered that and everything we know about the charade at the Pentagon backs it up vividly..There were no cell phone calls fm 30k ft ( the FBI acknowledged the calls originated fm the ground )…Ted Olson lied ( his call lasted .01 seconds )..The NTSB has sd that Flt 77 never flew low enough to hit the Pentagon..& the cockpit door was never opened after takeoff..etc..etc..

  42. Charlotte NC Bill  January 28, 2012 at 3:32 am

    What’s with the “xx” moniker? Security? Can’t they just read your IP address anyway?

  43. Allesandro  January 27, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Yes, you’re right, I keep assuming that some laws apply, since I had to follow them for decades.
    There were much bigger laws than that broken.

  44. Latney Davis  January 27, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    @foo, with every single MSM “news outlet” showing the “planes” hitting the towers, to suggest that controlled demolition was a “supplement to the hijackings” is ambiguos at best. That statement could just as easily refer to “remote controlled hijackings” as anything else. Point is, “controlled demolition” is acknowledged. Which in and of itself discounts the “official narrative” on the events of 9/11.

    Not enough speculation to indict Susan’s account in my opinion. I believe her experience, firsthand, trumps others theories/hypothesis. IMO. My guess is that ‘her’ time in “lockup” wasn’t due to adding credibility to the LIE.

  45. foo  January 27, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    @ Todd Marshall

    “As recently as 12 months ago, Susan was still believing (or pretending to believe) the “19 cavemen with box cutters” story…”

    It was much more recent than that. On Monday, August 1, 2001, she posted an article here on VT entitled “9/11: Inside Story on the Missing Tapes,” in which she wrote:

    “Other evidence supports a controlled demolition of the Towers, as a supplement to the hijackings…”

    I posted a comment to that article, the first line of which was:

    “Why hasn’t anyone else picked up on this disinfo and called the author on it?”

    Thanks, Todd, for joining in.

  46. JS  January 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Wanta’s money is just the tip of the iceberg. There is more, lots more, names of countries and individuals on the Basel list to be paid…

  47. foo  January 27, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    @ Allesandro

    “These should be enough to stop the firms from doing it.”

    And who is going to stop them?

    Oh, yeah — the SEC, right?


    There is no rule of law.

  48. Jim W. Dean  January 27, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Todd, It was Wanta’s money. What is surprising is that they did not steal it like so much was held in other countries.

  49. Allesandro  January 27, 2012 at 5:17 pm


    Re: New rules for Congress and insider trading:

    The criminals (firms, individuals, representatives) who are offering these “Inside Transactions” to Congress are using the public’s money to subsidize Congress. The profitable trade information and position executions the Congress gets would otherwise go to other investors. Therefore as in the case in 2003 with the “Mutual Funds” offering advantages to hedge funds (involving large overnight trades in U.S. vs foreign Markets) and which cost them many $ Billions (here in the U.S. and I worked at one of the key firms , but was not involved), it’s stealing and illegal.

    Already proven, fined, prosecuted in 2003 and 2004, same type offense. I would say highly illegal, even if they (Congress) have some minor legal protection from the law. The security laws, are very specific on this behavior.

    The firms, giving out these free bennie’s (key trades) have their own set of “Legal Obligations” seperate from the people in Congress: these obligations:

    1.) Full Disclosure of all relevant facts, that any reasonable person would consider important (Prudent Man Rule)

    2.) Due diligence in accessing the investment and basis for recommendation in accordance with Rule 405 “Know Your Client”

    3.) Failure to Supervise. The Obligation by management all the way up the chain of command, to follow 1 and 2 above, and insist on it for those they manage.

    These should be enough to stop the firms from doing it.

  50. Todd Marshall  January 27, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    “I had discussed bin Laden with General Hamid Gul, with Susan Lindauer and with his CIA handlers.”

    As recently as 12 months ago, Susan was still believing (or pretending to believe) the “19 cavemen with box cutters” story. Her cousin is Andy Card, G.W.Bush’s Chief of Staff on 9/11, and the one who had to interrupt the goat story with the “news?” that the good ole USA had just experienced its worst homeland attack ever. It’s pretty hard to believe that Card didn’t know about the inside job, and that Susan, now knowing that WTC7 just fell down all by itself, wouldn’t have to come to know cavemen didn’t do it. But she pretends not to know that.

    “So, we have, nearly 6 years ago, proof that China transferred $4.5 trillion dollars to the US, part of a fund to be used to finance public projects and reduce national debt and build a nationwide high speed rail system which would employ 400,000 Americans.”

    Why in the world would China do this? What’s in it for them?

  51. foo  January 27, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    @ mpennery

    “Seems obvious. There were training exercises going on all over. Fall (sic — should be False) radar blips…”

    Until we break the “unbreakable bond” (as Obama phrased it, in his State of the Union address) between the US and Israel, we will continue to be the dog wagged by the tail.

    Israel’s treachery is hiding in plain sight. Dual citizens in government positions. Critical infrastructure and national defense software, written by Israeli companies. An Israeli company’s doing the billing for US phone companies. The money control of the US electoral system, facilitating the ability of “Israel first” wealthy Jews to set US foreign policy.

    Don’t look for voting to change anything. Congress is devoted to its own gravy train.

  52. budracer63  January 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Here’s the official law suit in PDF format.

  53. Bud  January 27, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Since we have been informed about the crooks and the crimes committed! What can be done about getting justice done? All these crooks are either in some high job or have money to buy themselves freedom, to get their way or have connections that will benefit them somehow. Who can you trust to do the right thing? The US People do not have power anymore like they use too until we get our power back. It has been said that we have election true but are the elections tamper results with by the corrupt or people turned away from voting or told how to vote or be dealth with! Big money and business are behind you you can win any election like selling yourself to Satan for personal gain. If you get in you might think you did it honestly but watch all the craft to sway you that will fill your pockets if you go their way. You will be a one time term and the corrupt people will see that you won’t be elected for any public office or get you blamed for something you didn’t do. Be sure you know who’s hand your shaking!

  54. dirtus napus  January 27, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Careful what you wish for……..also, thinking life is like a movie is more dangerous than a ten year old with an AK. I’d prefer Cicero.

  55. dirtus napus  January 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    yup, my aim was too close wasn’t it……

  56. dirtus napus  January 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Remember the years of hearing “thought/known to be involved with Al Qeada” after every punctuation and mockingbird psyop statement from the news? Yeah, that was journalism too. No source, no information, no leads, just trust us 🙂

    We have a mountain of liars, Israeli agents, criminals, sadists, pedophiles, satanists, bonesman, masons, blackmailed homos, and a few clueless people as our leadership in this country. They run the show, they run the world after their banker masters pass down the new directives…..and yet, I’m supposed to believe that these people, that control everything, would let a “mystery” president interupt their business with questions and threats of justice? That is so preposterous I can’t state the correct gravity of it in relative terms. Yeah, goody two shoes Obama is just an honest man just trying to help out?! That is a psyop in itself. You don’t need my help, you can’t help yourselves. Yeah, he just slipped in there with a victory……. and he needs our help. You guys are too close to it to see, or you’re payed or threatened and don’t have a choice.

  57. budracer63  January 27, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Gordon – the China connection is far deeper, please look into this.

    MANHATTAN (CN) – An American expatriate in Bulgaria claims the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, the Office of International Treasury Control and the Italian government conspired with a host of others to steal more than $1.1 trillion in financial instruments intended to support humanitarian purposes.

    The 111-page federal complaint involves a range of entities common to conspiracy theorists, including the Vatican Illuminati, the Masons, the “Trilateral Trillenium Tripartite Gold Commission,” and the U.S. Federal Reserve.

    Plaintiff Neil Keenan claims he was entrusted in 2009 with the financial instruments — which included U.S. Federal Reserve notes worth $124.5 billion, two Japanese government bonds with a combined face value of $19 billion, and one U.S. “Kennedy” bond with a face value of $1 billion — by an entity called the Dragon Family, which is a group of several wealthy and secretive Asian families.

    “The Dragon family abstains from public view and knowledge, but, upon information and belief, acts for the good and better benefit of the world in constant coordination with higher levels of global financial organizations, in particular, the Federal Reserve System,” Keenan claims.

    Courthouse News Service didn’t quite have the stomach to quote one of the most interesting paragraphs in the entire complaint… but I do. This is where the whole story really started taking shape for me:
    Upon information and belief, these Bonds [held by the Dragon Family] have values ranging in the many Thousands of Trillions of United States Dollars, a relatively small portion of which is involved in the claims giving rise to this action.

    Each of these currencies, such as the DFFI [Dragon Family Financial Instruments] involved in this action, was and remains duly registered within the Federal Reserve System — and are directly verifiable by the Federal Reserve through its efficient verification system and screening process.

    Thousands of trillions of dollars? Yes! THOUDANDS of TRILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!!!

    This law suit IS real and on the books. The Fed gave The Dragon Family thousands of trillions of dollars in Fed reserve notes, bonds and gold certificates for later redemption!! The Dragon family wants their gold back.
    Here’s the link, and if you scroll to the end you will see verified pictures of the trunks, cases and bonds that have been buried for over 60 years. Shit’s about to hit the fan.


  58. mpennery  January 27, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Good stuff Gordon.

    “Top US officials have actually come to me asking where I think the plane went and what happened to the passengers. I told them. It was a guess. They wanted my guess. You don’t get that guess today.”

    Seems obvious. There were training exercises going on all over. Fall radar blips, real and fake highjacks. My guess is those planes got routed over the radar dead zones so their transponders could be turned off, then directed out over the ocean where they were blown to a million pieces. Dead passengers can never talk.

    Anti-archonist: NASA spaceshuttle program is a charade. The real flight technology is not for public consumption.

    dirtus napus: “Military coup by trusted admirals and generals is the only way any of you will ever get to see justice, public hangings and life long prison terms in this country”

    Exactly. And backed by 10 million of our boots on the pavement. The only question is that which was posed to the Gladiator. When they’re all dead, you just gonna hand it over to the people?

    You guys are all awesome. My brain gains a pound of muscle every time I visit.


    Lexington, ky

  59. lawrencedickerson  January 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    @ Gordon Duff and Jim Dean.

    As Foo stateed,in order for us to support that needed change and to take action we need names and proof so that we can follow through.It does nobody any good to speak in generalities and what seems to be rumors without being able to back hardly any of it up with sound material.People are not that gullible to fall for false ‘messiahs’.

    You state that there are many names in the 60 some pages of the court filing.If you can’t put yourselves on the firing line by making the info public,then how can you expect us to jump on this tank and drive through the d file?
    This speaking in a shrouded cloak of information does nobody any good but it confuse the issues.Give me the names,circumstances and proof positive and I will “Take the high ground”.Otherwise I am but a reader,shaking my head and wondering wtf this is about and how does it tie in.We don’t have the supposed contacts and banks of intel.We do well in just knowing the garbage man and postal carrier yet we are the voices that can be heard from the tallest mountains and around the world.

  60. dirtus napus  January 27, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I’m absolutely stupified at the belief in Obama by people who are supposed to know better. Harder to believe than that is the belief that the US can be saved by hippies and other arcane, useless movements. We “had” a chance in 08′ it was over at that point. Military coup by trusted admirals and generals is the only way any of you will ever get to see justice, public hangings and life long prison terms in this country… It’s over. Wake up for christ’s sake. There will be no victory dances without cordite in the air. Those choices were made for you, and you still don’t get it. Oh I know, go out and vote! That’ll make it better….The illusions, scary.

  61. xx  January 27, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Degradation is the result of the elimination of processes and communications.

    Good luck and be safe.

  62. xx  January 27, 2012 at 10:10 am

    The balance in nature is complex subject matter, the differences in people and ideology is how improvement in life and sustainability was achieved throughout time. It’s through these differences and ideology, that people’s lives were improved and sustained, and if such were not, an in balance occurs. The result of this in balance is degradation, and the result of prolonged degradation is inexistence. Achievement is not owned by one, but the result of many, and when many are removed from this process, nothing is achieved. Think about this, it’s far to complex then the riddle above.

  63. xx  January 27, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Now this would make a better business environment,

    If the Chinese people believed the U.S. were being treated worse then themselves, then there would be better business relationship between the countries. Because in the past, the CCP was critical not to expose there was a better way of life.

    That would really open the doors….you don’t seem to get it….or maybe you do?

  64. xx  January 27, 2012 at 9:09 am

    If you have all this experience, then you should know about the corruption and Hong Kong, from the top down. Apparently you have never seen a Chinese Director, good person, being forced to take corruption monies, from ministry leader and corrupt executives, $50K cash payments, in complete fear. Knowing that if they take the money and are caught, they will be shot, executed. And if they don’t the ministry leader will take action against him, or wealthy sales agent related to the minister.

    It’s not about China, it’s the organized corruption that damages both U.S. and Chinese people’s, and you seem to be clueless about this real world.

    “Or simply don’t wish to discuss, because it might affect your bottom line or profits”.

    But then we are now adapting some of their laws? Allot of exposure this year, will be an exciting time for you.

    You are always targeted the United States, but avoid some of the other players? That’s interesting.

  65. Jim W. Dean  January 27, 2012 at 5:33 am

    There are a lot of names in the court filing (63 pages) are in the court filings, and it will all role out. But as I have mentioned many times before, we need our own army to push it through as they still have major blocking muscle and lots of tales probably that they can tell on people. So many just want to keep their heads down and hopefully still be in the game when it is all over.

    Remember Want came from Treasury, and was comptroller of the Pentagon as one of his jobs. Following where the money goes is something he knows a little bit about. He is a hero in the Cold War Intel community, those that knew…for bringing the Soviet economy down by crashing the ruble, and as sorely rewarded.

    What we have here is the perfect foil for all the corruption in government. All he has wanted was to give this money to the American people, as they got bled all that money in Cold War defense spending due to Uncle Joe. If all that money had gone into infrastructure back then…can you just imagine what we would have now that we don’t????

  66. foo  January 27, 2012 at 1:32 am

    @ Jim W. Dean

    It’s time to choose sides folks. American has been betrayed by supposedly her best and her finest. It’s time for us to show them what we think of their efforts, and set an example. Let us know if you would like to help, because it is fix bayonets time.

    It’s likewise time for you to name names.

  67. Gordon Duff  January 26, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    very correctly, so much was not real

  68. Gordon Duff  January 26, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I spent 4 hours today in a debriefing between senior retired Army intel and Wanta.

    I wanted their opinion.

    They give him 100%.

    CIA does too.


  69. Gordon Duff  January 26, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Did someone call this a loan? This was a deposit. My own bank has $2.2 billion on deposit with Bank of China.

    If you have questions, word them secifically to Lee Wanta and I wiill pass them on. Been working with China awhile myself as have more than a few of us.

    Of course, I was one of those grad students of Paul Varg.

    This has NOTHING to do with China. They simple held the account. If you wish something from the Chinese army , I can make that call for you.

    I was with China Aviation Oil whenit went down, then began working with CNPC.

    I most do oil stuff but alumina, copper, fertilizer and some currency things on occasion. Have a great interest in China and many good friends there.

  70. The Rahnameh  January 26, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Giving the treacherous ally enough rope to hang itself. 😉

    The President did well calling out Congress in the State of the Union. I wished he had also stated that he would seek and find out who benefited from the law during his administration, locate the funds, and ask that they be returned as a fine/punishment.

    He panned nicely to Schumer, Lieberman, and Kantor to emphasize the Israeli charade. Shumer: “eh? why are they lookin at me?” ya…. why you….

    And when he said all options are on the table, I know what he meant. He meant DIPLOMACY is still on the table. He meant that the carriers have returned to the Persian Gulf because Iran and our President have spoken.

    NOW SUCK IT ISRAE LIES ! *cue Hendrix*

  71. anti-archonist  January 26, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    I believe the Tom Osman thing completely, and I’ve seen those photos before. Doesn’t really look like Osama though, even his teenage photos look like him as an adult. Maybe it’s just the angle.

    Ever hear of Peter Beter? I had no idea this guy existed. I’m still not 100% sure he existed because there is so little proof. There is some proof though and the odd thing is it is as if he was erased from history. Except for his audio newsletters which survive. They say some crazy kooky things, but a lot of it is plausible and even true. He predicted that Israel would con US troops to Lebanon and then commit a false flag attack to draw them into their war over a year before the Beirut barracks bombing. Apparently he hung around bankers. Perhaps they bragged about this stuff

    Beter claimed that the US had been infiltrated by Soviets and that the US lost the Cold War. The reason I believe that is because it seems that behind the scenes Reagan and Gorbachev were best buds (I’m exagerrating a little). Have you ever seen the Soviet Space Shuttle? The Buran? Abandoned because it sucked more or less. It was nearly identical to the US Space Shuttle. The physical design, Soviet markings aside, was indistinguishable. It’s not exactly a high-tech aerodynamic design. They either stole it and reverse engineered it, or they shared some info. The US went with it and wasted money (and two shuttles and a bunch of astronaut lives) on a crap design, the USSR canned it. That’s besides the point.

    Anyways, the neocons want a war against the East. Perhaps for revenge or something. Everything seems very East vs. West with the goal of destroying the US Empire being tops on the agenda.

  72. DaveE  January 26, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Nice history lesson, Eileen Fleming. Many thanks.

  73. xx  January 26, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    China transferred $4.2 trillion to the U.S.? High Speed Railway Project? That’s funny..

    The CCP was going to rescue the U.S.? The High Speed Railway Project (you say) would require approval by The Ministry of Railway (MOR), are you aware this former official has fled China, and is being pursued for corruption?

    Had dinner with him one time in Beijing, but the people he was working with, had more interest in loans to China using US tax dollars. They made a fortune, loans much too great for the capital being purchased.
    Would you like his former mobile telephone number? How about an official who is an International Translator? It doesn’t matter now Gordon, their locked on. You can make one-million dollars…for this B.C., guaranteed, maybe your interested.

    I’m sure it had nothing to do with the arms deal made in 2007, but of course not.

    Why would someone keep promoting the CCP? Would you like to know who was and is working closely with them, too close? The prominent family….

    I like the Chinese people, and know many engineers and scientist; however, the CCP is no friend of the United States. Have they executed that business woman yet? Sometimes families with high level connections in China can prevent these common executions. If the “Accused” has knowledge of others involved in corruption, this results in faster executions. Do you know how many people are executed in China per year, or thousands of people? Of course you don’t, I do…This must be the reason when their around party members their very afraid, things you don’t know.

    If you wish to visit MOR, the facility is located across from the Ministry of Defense, not many westerners can enter this facility, except people with exceptional skills.

    (You looking for hidden agenda, plan), maybe one US leader did not wish this information leaked to US Federal Agents.

    You were warned and this is not game, there is great risk. And not many would risk all for your safety, you are now more vulnerable then you believe, because your best assets were exposed for money….

    Chengdu is where you should look….pass further to west and you’ll be….terminated unless extremely skilled.

    You were warned….the US is very strange now, the people wish to know nothing. So be it.

  74. Mike Kay  January 26, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Diebold. Goldman Sacks. Monsanto. Time Warner. Scum sucking sellout politicians. High Altitude Spraying. HAARP. Prostrate supreme ct. Sacrifice soldiers. No rule of law for the big dogs. Thug cop nation. TSA. Traitors. NDAA. PIPA. SOPA. Fema camps. Drones.
    Now, why exactly would Americans distance themselves from “their” government?
    Hanoi songbird singing about cutting veterans benefits, destroy soc. security. Kill the lower classes. No welfare for those who need it, only for billionaires. You go die, they go get rich.
    Yep, sure is a wonder, Americans no longer believing in their gov’t.
    No ratification of the 16th ammendment. No legal authority for detention, for killing, for torture. Gitmo. Pearl Harbor. War on Terror. War on drugs. Vietnam. Osama. Dead baby kidneys used to enhance soft drink taste. Genetically modified organisms. Glow in the dark dogs. Clones.
    Must be just a few, this distancing themselves from “their” gov’t. Hell, whats’ not to like-as long as you are a weirdo psychopath pervert.
    With us or against us. Neutron bombs. DU. Gulf war syndrome. USS Liberty. Homeland security. Katrina. Oil “spill”. Nanoparticles. JFK. RFK. Dr. King. Wounded Knee. LSD on soldiers. Aireal spraying of pathogens. 911. Underwaer bomber. OK city.
    Gee, really can’t imagine why any sane, thinking American might be distancing themselves…

  75. DaveE  January 26, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Nice work, g. One of your best IMHO.

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