Murder in Afghanistan, the Coverup Begins (updates)

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Sixteen Dead, Nameless “Lone Gunman,” We Have Heard It All Before

 

 by  Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

 

The village is Balandi, outside Kandahar in Afghanistan.  Thus far the dead are 16, shot in their homes, not just said to be “women and children” but actually infants murdered in their mother’s arms and set afire.

The US claims the perpetrator to be an unnamed “Army Staff Sergeant who has turned himself in.” There are inconsistencies.


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Tuesday Morning Update:

 According to live accounts and eye witnesses multiple weapon sounds were heard, including pistols and machine gun bursts simultaneously. The houses attacked are at least 2 miles apart and it becomes literally impossible for a single gunman to kill and burn people in one house and then run few kilometers to do the same thing again twice.By Tabish Qayyum – Editor Fortress Magazine

Late Monday update from ABC news: As VT predicted the ‘lone gunman’ story is being flushed out with with ‘past history’ material of brain injury and marital problem rising quickly to the surface.

But no word yet as to how someone could exit an important base like this not noticed by American base security, but as has been reported, noticed by Afghan forces who contacted their NATO counterparts, but did not send a warning to the village.

Left out of today’s ABC news is anything about how a jerrycan of gasoline could have been carried the mile to the village (and why) or a response to the Reuters report of witnesses describing multiple attackers.

ABC has the details of the ‘lone gunman’ having night vision goggles…apparently reporting only what they are being told, which obviously would fit the initial story…but no information about anything that does not fit.

An official told ABC News that the soldier has suffered a mild traumatic brain injury (TBI) in the past, either from hitting his head on the hatch of a vehicle or in a car accident. He went through the advanced TBI treatment at Fort Lewis and was deemed to be fine.

He also underwent mental health screening necessary to become a sniper and passed in 2008. He had routine behavioral health screening after that and was cleared, the official said.

This is the report from Reuters today:

An intense fuel source was used here

Afghan officials also gave varying accounts of the number of shooters involved. Karzai’s office released a statement quoting a villager as saying “American soldiers woke my family up and shot them in the face.”

They (Americans) poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them,” Samad told Reuters at the scene.

Neighbors said they had awoken to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, who they described as laughing and drunk.

They were all drunk and shooting all over the place,” said neighbor Agha Lala, who visited one of the homes where killings took place.

“Their (the victims’) bodies were riddled with bullets.”

[Editors Note: It never made any sense that a village would let one guy do something like this. After all this is Afghanistan, where babies are born already knowing how to shoot.]

The village is outside the gate of an American base.  A single soldier without a vehicle would have had to evade security and tunnel under the wire and walls to reach the village or, much more likely, this was more than one man?

Catch the Special Ops guy with the shades

This is how CNN has it as for the morning of the 12th.  Story embellishment, as you will note involves a “bed count” and a “search patrol.”  I believe the next story will include rocket flares and bloodhounds.  We will wait for this one.

To impart credit to the Army, their belated response is much more creative but as full of holes as a sieve.  A minor thing to add here, of course, is that a Staff Sergeant, as the perpetrator or suspect, whichever you choose, “patsy” if you will, is a Staff Sergeant, rank E 6.  At 3:AM, those of such rank typically do not “stand watch” on towers or in bunkers.

Then, of course, we will return to the forgotten jerrycan, taken off the nonexistent vehicle to burn the bodies of the dead.  I did, however, feel a need to get this response added in so that readers in the Western Hemisphere would be better informed.

Another minor error in the report below, noted in our earlier evaluation and reiterated here, above that text, is the nature of the armed response team.

They “came a runnin” based on someone missing from a bed rather than from gunfire, screams and flaming bodies a short distance away.

As is so easily noted, as one begins lying, one lie ties to another, one absurdity to another and, in the end, it is always a “malcontent” and “lone gunman.”

By now we would have seen a list of anti psychotic medications but “legal” was already informed by pharmaceutical companies that there is already a rash of murder/suicides for those on medications the military and Department of Veterans Affairs has prescribed for those suffering from combat stress ( or misdiagnosed as suffering from “personality disorders” or “pre-existing trauma”).

In order to leave the many “blameless,” this will have to be a singular occurrence of magical proportions, no pre-indications, no signs of any kind, no diagnosis and medical records entering shredders, being wiped from hard drives, flaming in trash cans as we speak.  But for how many, one or four or perhaps more?  CNN:

“We call this an intentional act,” Karzai said. He said the dead included four men, three women and nine children, calling the killings “acts of terror and unforgivable.” Another five people were wounded, he said.

Capt. Justin Brockhoff, an ISAF spokesman, said the wounded Afghans were being treated in ISAF facilities. The allied command did not give its own estimate of casualties.

Brockhoff said officials do not yet have a motive for the shooting, which is under investigation by both NATO and Afghan officials. And Maj. Jason Waggoner, another ISAF spokesman, said the soldier “was acting on his own.”

There were no military operations in the area, either on the ground or in the air, at the time, according to two senior ISAF officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. They said only one soldier, an Army staff sergeant, is believed to have been involved.

A U.S. military official told CNN later Sunday that the suspect is from Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state. The official said the soldier is assigned to a Special Forces unit.

A third ISAF official said Afghan troops spotted the soldier leaving his combat outpost around 3 a.m. Sunday and notified their American counterparts. The U.S. military did an immediate headcount, found the soldier was missing and dispatched a patrol to go look for him, the official said.

The officials said they have no knowledge at this point whether he had any previous medical or mental health issues in his record.

The patrol met him as he returned and took him into custody. He said nothing, and it was unclear whether they knew what had happened, the official said.

“We don’t know what motivated this individual, and we’re not sure where this is going to take us,” Capt. John Kirby, an ISAF spokesman, told CNN. But he said ISAF’s commander, Gen. John Allen, “has made it clear this investigation is going to be thorough. It’s going to be done rapidly, in an expeditious way, and we’re going to hold the perpetrator of these attacks to account.”

Why? Only a vehicle with more than one man, one that could claim it had been tasked with some sort of “rendition” or “search and destroy” mission could have been allowed out by security.

Otherwise, it would have been identified as a criminal operation or, more unlikely, a single individual, driving into what the Army told the Associate Press was “a Taliban infested area” on a private mission of “passion and lust.”

I think that highly unlikely.

Thus, this is what we can safely assume:

  • More than one American was involved as no single soldier would have been allowed outside the compound, heavily armed with a vehicle.
  • Gate security received authorization for the “mission” from the watch officer at the “Combat Operations Center” at the base, the 24 hour nerve center than coordinates both offensive and defensive missions for even the smallest commands.
  • No “reaction force” was sent to investigate though this was right outside the gates.  Radio contact would have been attempted, and there would be recorded records of this and all other activities, as required by normal procedures.

How could someone just walk out the gate at night?

Again, we repeat, authorization at the gate, obviously more than one person, a vehicle, radio communications, gunfire overheard, all things that make the story we have received not just unlikely but childish, superficial and an obvious lie to anyone with experience in the military, something 30 million Americans have.

Then, so recent in our minds, is the supposed killing of Osama bin Laden, the contradictory stories, the convenient death of those involved, and, of course, the singular similarity between both operations.  Don’t Americans’ throw Muslim dead into the sea?

As this act was so criminal and barbaric in nature, the murder of small children, setting bodies on fire and the reports of multiple soldiers involved, we are beset with questions.

The fire is proof, started with gasoline from a jerrycan.  Vehicle means gate which means vehicle which means team which means radios and authorized operation.

It isn’t just that we have so many exhausted soldiers suffering from PTSD in Afghanistan, this isn’t the problem.  As in Vietnam, such troops more often turn on their officers and senior NCOs, not local women and children, at least with one exception, My Lai, and that was under direct military command from Captain Ernest Medina.

Who commanded this fiasco?

HOLY WARRIORS OR HELLISH GHOULS?

Next we can ask, what kind of person does this?  That I can clearly answer, this is the act of someone with strong religious and political beliefs.  Years ago, initially Pentecostal and then broader Dominionist/Dispensationalist theologies under the broader term of “Christian Evangelism” has been behind the atrocities.

Some are tied to doomsday cults, others toward “racial cleansing” and more fall under the influence of politicians.

Santorum

Those currently are Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.

Previously, they were the entire Bush administration, which used communist “brainwashing” techniques on troops to encourage them to torture and kill as part of their patriotic and religious duty.

These messages were instilled during training and continually reinforced through televised psyop sessions on the Armed Forces Network and Pentagon Channel.

Such rhetoric has largely disappeared during the Obama administration with the exception of that which is normally part of the daily broadcasts on Fox News with its extremist pundits.

Their message, of the threat of Islam with its high birthrate, stresses extremist methods.  Our “churchgoers” and “conservatives” are taught Islam, even small children, are the “enemy of our blood,” as though we all carried a Torah in our pockets.

Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch, an Israeli citizen tied to the ultra-nationalist Likudist party.  Murdoch and his publications have been under attack in the US and Britain for wiretapping, bribery and blackmail.

This incident, in many ways, reminds me of the “accidental killing” of former footballer Pat Tillman.  Tillman, whose activities prior to his death began to show signs of antiwar activism, was accidentally shot by fellow soldiers 4 times in the forehead while the military claimed his death was the result, initially at least, enemy action.

From the film, Full Metal Jacket:


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No individual has been punished though it is believed the order for the Tillman slaying originated in the White House.

I don’t believe the same of this incident but these things are clear:

  • The base involved specialized in “Black Ops”…often late night attacks on homes searching for “Taliban suspects.”  Such attacks had been cited repeatedly for bad intelligence, civilian casualties and total incompetence.  The command involved in this action is one of the commands cited.
  • The burned corpses were an attempt to destroy evidence of an authorized operation probably compromised.
  • Less likely is that this was a planned “revenge attack” based on the belief that someone within this village had been supplying information to the Taliban that led to the death or injury of one or more Americans.  Such attacks are so common that they have happened hundreds of times, often brought on by rumors, stress, anti-psychotic medications and, of course, propaganda.
  • Every word the Army has issued is false.
  • Every imaginable effort is now being made to “prove” this to be a “disgruntled lone gunman” who “ex-filtrated” the base and had been showing signs of “Lee Harvey Oswald” syndrome.
  • Failure to sell this cover story, and by selling we mean paying millions in bribes, will put US involvement in Afghanistan at an immediate end.

SHAME RUBS OFF

 

A Smiling Dufster(R) - Summer of '69

Well over 40 years ago, I was a Marine serving in Vietnam.  During part of that time, I was required to enter homes, their inhabitants frightened out of their wits, concerned for the lives of their children, while looking for “rice” or weapons.

When we would find weapons, we were also presented documentation that authorized the weapons as part of civilian defense forces.

I saw my first Browning Automatic Rifle during one such search, an ancient weapon from the First World War, but one of curious beauty.  Today, such a weapon would cost as much as an automobile.

We were told it was our job to gain the trust of the civilian population and not think of them as “gooks” to be slaughtered.  Vietnam was a slaughter, a hundred times more devastating than Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Because of My Lai and the hundreds of women and children who died there at the hands of the Army’s Americal Division, all Vietnam veterans have worn the stain of “baby killer” these long decades.

We were told we were there to protect civilians.  We were told thousands had been slaughtered.


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General Smedley Butler

In Afghanistan, troops trained for years, paid ten times what we were, well fed, oversupplied, by our standards “pampered” are continually committing such acts in a war with little combat and few casualties.

As with Vietnam, an honest assessment is that we are on the wrong side.

It always seems to be that way now, as warned of by Marine General and Medal of Honor winner Smedley Butler.

“I was a gangster for Wall Street.”

The military today, 500,000 of them “broken” veterans, and those serving are the children of our Vietnam generation, some quite literally.

I have one friend who cares for a brain injured child, a veteran of Afghanistan, a task that takes up his life.

What do we learn?  The dependence on our volunteer army and over-dependence on “special operations” or “tier one” troops has helped dehumanize our military even more.

War is bad enough as it is.

 

WHEN “SPECIAL” ISN’T ALL IT IS CRACKED UP TO BE

A good friend, retired Special Forces flag officer, related a meeting he had last year.  He was hiking outside an American base in the Southwest when he came upon several younger Special Forces troops.  Though retired and outranking them by extreme measure, he found their demeanor both threatening and unbalanced.

This went far beyond disrespectful.  Identified as Special Forces who had served in Thailand at one time, my friend, who had also been in Thailand, answered in Thai and they answered back.

Then…they began to move, believing themselves “predators.”  I laugh thinking about this.

He told me that he gave consideration to the Smith and Wesson Model 28 .357 magnum revolver he carried with him on such walks, as is the habit in those regions.

That they may well have been considering ambushing someone who had been an A Team leader in Vietnam nearly two decades before they were born, and were underestimating someone who would have left them with stomach wounds in 3 seconds while he very slowly dialed for emergency services, I now wonder if their survival of this encounter was a good thing.

Personally, when a top intel officer tells me he has met a group of criminal psychopaths, I take it seriously.

When I have to relive, not just the undeserved shame of Vietnam but the unending tragedy and insanity of our current wars, 31,000 discharged wrongly as “unfit,” a similar number of military and veteran suicides, many murders of family members and a path of torture and murder across the Middle East…

Then there is the unasked question, how 97% of the world’s heroin supply is flown out of American held territory, tacitly with the approval of Richard Holbrooke and now, who approves, who cashes the checks, who loads the planes?  By these standards, my friend and I were rank amateurs at war it seems.

He was trained, as was I, in working with the local population, earning their trust and, in doing so, winning, not just the “hearts and minds” but the war as well.  This was and supposedly is the heart of special operations, not killing children, urinating on the dead or burning holy books.

DON’T LET MARINES COME HOME!

 

The Roosevelts

It is said that Eleanor Roosevelt was concerned about Marines returning from World War II combat in the Pacific.

Such brutality was needed to defeat the fearless Japanese that troops who had been there, who had faced that enemy, were thought to be a danger to society.

Her statements at that time, if she actually made them, were deeply scorned by most Americans.

Today’s incident is not one American.  It might be 3 or it might be 8 but it certainly isn’t one.  We don’t know what happened and, one thing for sure, we never will.

The Army lies.

How do we restore the respect for life we seem to have bled out of so many of our young?  Do we duct tape Newt Gingrich?  Do we close our heretical “churches?”

Do we silence the Fox Network and the thousands who have become addicted to their hate and prejudice?

Do we scour Washington clean of this stain, rooting the sociopaths from our military, our courts, our congress, our police, or even further?Who do we blame? Do we start with ourselves?

Editing:  Jim W. Dean



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30 Responses to "Murder in Afghanistan, the Coverup Begins (updates)"

  1. Inez  March 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Cannot thank G.D. enough. He doesn’t miss what most matters to all of us… and keeps us up on the latest poop!

    Who’s responsible for these recent inhumane murders? Or should ask, irresponsible in all this? Does anyone really want to know?

    A “particular” group of mentally sick individuals in “high” political, social, educational, pharmaceutical & military positions are at top of the list of suspects. What’s at issue here is a mental criminal illness known as psychopathy. An individual having it is called a psychopath. A mental “deficiency” which is found to run in “particular” family lines.

    This is scientifically & unscientifically supported. It’s an illness that has long been kept out of DMS, the “diagnosis” medical list book. Sociopath is listed. Psychopath has not been until very recent. And even then– it’s attributed to the poor “Lone Nutters” running about. This DMS narrative is meant to deceive!

    Psychopaths are behind the most heinous crimes on global scale! They sit in highest positions of power, are attempting full control over all of us globally. These misfits have long determined who gets to be presidents & prime ministers, based solely on the individual being under their complete control. Whether thru blackmail, bribery or fear for one’s family or one’s own life being taken.

    These individuals have NO conscience, no remorse, no guilt, no sense of what is right & what is wrong.

    I strongly advise those who need to understand this mental illness get the book: “Political Ponerology” “A Science On The Nature Of Evil”.. By Andrew M. Lobaczewski. It will answer questions & more. Particularly what is/has been happening to young & less young soldiers in our military. Why all the assassinations of humanity’s GOOD, caring & highly influential men & women throughout history.

    The only steps for stopping these criminally insane is to “out” them. To keep their faces, their names & their actions in public view! To route them out, keep the spotlight on them. One of the first major steps these groups took against America was buying up all Media– “they” today control all media channels. Why? To keep their pictures, names & devious misdeeds out of the publics eye! Also misuse media to keep us at each others throats feeding us gender, faith, & race-baiting totally bogus (fake) news stories! They use media as distractions, diversions from the truth of what THEY are doing to us.

    Thank God for the internet!

    Here is a quickie, but appropriate over-view into this illness: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThomasSheridanArts

  2. dirtus napus  March 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Oh Tom, you’re killing me. Next time you browbeat me (again) for pointing an accusatory finger at the self chosen one’s I’ll remind you of this article…..:)

  3. beausoleil  March 16, 2012 at 9:45 am

    *They ‘don’t’ care, is what I meant to say…sorry I left out an important word there.

  4. beausoleil  March 16, 2012 at 9:44 am

    They just want war, I think, they care too much which two groups are destroying each other, as long as the destruction continues. Carrying on the business.

  5. beausoleil  March 16, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Killing on a mass scale has been very profitable for a long time for certain ‘great houses’, but only because leaders of two other ‘great houses’ agreed and the rest of us went along with the given ‘narrative’. When we switch from believing in ‘narratives’ and start believing that there is such a thing as ‘truth’, then justice will return, I think. Members of the BRIC nations seem to be working in the right direction, maybe it’s time to start considering the United States as part of that alliance.

  6. beausoleil  March 16, 2012 at 9:25 am

    They’ve hi-jacked the name ‘Christian’, the same way they’ve hi-jacked the name ‘Israel’ under Zionism, and ‘Islam’ under ‘Radical Islam’. In each case, the hi-jacker diverts the original prophetic message and moral code to it’s full reverse. It creates confusion and side-arguments so that we are diverted from discussing the ever present ‘Instigator’ lurking in the shadows.

  7. Dan  March 13, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I’m probably dating myself with the terminology and practice, but I don’t think it’s so unlikely as many believe that an armed NCO lifer the guards all knew could walk past the sergeant of the guard on duty at the gate that night without being stopped if he gave some reason for carrying the jerry can. Everyone coming up on the perimeter in the middle of the night is assumed to be on duty doing something or other and usually armed. I do agree with Gordon that when the cryptocracy’s giveaway term, “lone gunman”, is used in the media, red flags should go up, but from what we know so far in this case, it does look to me like he was a war-crazed lone gunman who went berserk under the dehumanizing stress of 6 combat tours.

  8. celticlongbow  March 13, 2012 at 4:35 am

    As an ex British Soldier who fought for Queen and country many years ago, our task was to keep those bloody wogs in line, those that wanted the dignity to rule themselves and to reap the fruit of their labours instead of ceding it to an invader.

    Nothing could be done or was allowed to be done without the nudge nudge wink wink permission from above which one may be sure they also got their nudge nudge wink wink from higher above .. The warriors of every nation are just used as political pawns for political ends .. the enforcers as your General Bradley so aptly put it.

    Thank you VA and Gordon Duff for an incisive look at the circumstances behind this shameful act .. I say shameful because it puts to naught the honour of a warrior who fights for flag and country of whatever nation. As for America you are now so Jew ridden that you cannot tell reality from Usury .. and God help your veterans that die for Jewish ambition.

  9. tombacco  March 13, 2012 at 3:05 am

    The event must have been organized. No questions about it.
    But I have difficulties in believing some deranged commander (kind of general Ripper in Dr. Strangelove?) could have done it for his neocon beliefs. It does not seem to make much sense.
    Maybe there is a deeper rabbit hole: if you connect this event with the recent urinating marines scandal and the koran burning scandal, you may deduct that the occupying forces are doing their best to inflame the situation beyond hopeless. Maybe they are looking to make a good case for bringing the troops home?

  10. lawrencedickerson  March 12, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    The black market is strong everywhere the military is stationed and I would imagine that a jerry can with gas would be quite a common commodity.It is possible that the ‘soldier’ used a gas can. that was procured on that black market.But regardless,it was released that he was on his sixth tour of combat duty and I don’t care what the official story is,minds are affected by that long of an exposure.Even WW2 veterans never served six to seven combat tours.The USA is going to experience some mighty evil acts as these military members stand down and are expected to function in society as though nothing happened.This is just the tip of the ice berg that is waiting to sink the titanic America.

    When I first read the accounts of these ‘assassinations’ it didn’t sit totally right with me either.But having spent many years in the Army I can assure you that one learns how to enter and leave a military post with or without permission.Close bonds are made in the military especially when it is a’protect my back and I’ll keep your’s safe’,situation.It is well within keeping those bonds to allow activity that shouldn’t be on going but heads are turned with a wink,wink,nod,nod.

  11. Garibaldi  March 12, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    “How about that eternal sweetie, Hillarious Clinton, telling how SORRY she is for the families of the dead?”

    -Sorta like “We came, we saw, they died”?

  12. mullerohana  March 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    When assessing the prospects of a conspiracy, I always wonder, what is the results, and who gained. After the Koran burnings, I wondered why in the world trained military people would do this, when any 9 year old in the West knows better than to do what they did. I gave the benefit of the doubt though. But now, after this, I’m convinced. There is an insidious and intentional effort to worsen the situation in Afghanistan. After the “killing” of OBL, and the relative peace in Afghanistan over the past year, people were starting to wonder what we were still doing there, for $2 billion a week. And now, thanks to a “convenient cultural misunderstanding”, and a likely chemically lobotomized Ssgt, it seems we have created more “terrorists” to kill. Funny how that works out. And the money train keeps on chuggin’.

  13. Larry Glick  March 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    No doubt the children were raped which is why they were doused with gasoline and lit afire after they were killed. It is not easy to prove rape after the bodies are burned beyond recognition. I don’t believe this “Staff Sergeant” acted alone. More likely, this was a sanctioned operation that somehow went awry. We are murderous intruders in Afghanistan and are more hated as the days go by. And frankly, how is this incident much different than the hundreds or thousands of others in which our troops brutally maimed, raped, and killed innocent civilians in the name of the “War on Terror?” My country, the US of A, is the major creator and perpetrator of terrorism in the world.

  14. Frisco  March 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    The hypocrisy of the so called Evangelicals is absurd. These same people supposedly champion small government, the Constitution, fiscal responsibility, etc. and then throw their support behind Santorum and Gingrich. They hate Ron Pauls foreign policy because he wants to follow the Constitution and have the Congress officially declare wars but then they hate Obama because he doesn’t follow the Constitution… can’t have it both ways. Thinking is becoming a lost art in this country

  15. Frisco  March 12, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Great article Mr. Duff. It pretty much summed up my initial thoughts of there being no possible way this ‘lone gunman theory’ is what actually transpired. My wife is currently in Bagram and she expressed the same sentiments of it being impossible for 1 ‘crazy’ soldier to have gone outside the wire to on their own to carry out these horrific acts. It’s sad that every other news outlet would rather toe the line and put out whatever lies the administration tells than actually ask questions or think for themselves.

  16. Allen L Roland  March 12, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Duffster question : ” Do we scour Washington clean of this stain, rooting the sociopaths from our military, our courts, our congress, our police, or even further? Who do we blame? Do we start with ourselves? ”

    Obvious answer: We start with ourselves and then, and only then, can we demand the same from our military, our courts, our congress, our police, and our president.

    Great article, Gordon ~

  17. Ann  March 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Any word on the six Brits killed in Afghanistan last week? I bet they saw or heard something, i.e., hoax plans, narcotics, OBL, money, etc., and had to be eliminated. I’m just not buying these “tragic accidents.”

  18. RDRM  March 12, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Yes, his grave site has become a shrine of sorts. I just grabbed this quickly from a search, but I’ve seen more recent discussion. This sort of adulation has not stopped:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3854982,00.html

  19. Garibaldi  March 12, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Monday NYT, straight from the horses’ arse:

    “Residents of three villages in the Panjwai district of Kandahar Province described a terrifying string of attacks in which the soldier, who had walked MORE THAN A MILE from his base, tried door after door, eventually breaking in to kill within three separate houses. The man gathered 11 bodies, including those of 4 girls younger than 6, and set fire to them, villagers said. At least 5 people were injured.”
    (from second paragraph: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/world/asia/us-army-sergeant-suspected-in-afghanistan-shooting.html )
    THREE villages. THREE separate houses. Walk a MILE in my shoes. Man into superman.

  20. Tom Valentine  March 12, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Maybe the perps were simply celebrating Purim.

  21. Tom Valentine  March 12, 2012 at 7:05 am

    Fanaticism, Gordon— programmed, ingrained fanaticism; nothing human about it. Linking it to the oxymoron (impossible Christian Zionist) influence rings true. Military training heightens pathologies as well as builds muscle.This is a mere repeat of the crazy Zionist who blew away more than 30 in a mosque in the ‘occupied territories’ a while back. Isn’t he a hero of some kind now? I am happy not to have photo memory for all the shit in recent decades. If enough of your peers in the VT network still have the energy, maybe something can be done.

  22. taosword  March 12, 2012 at 6:39 am

    The psychopath thing is real. My training is psyc. I study brainwashing and have debriefed many. The current military is using top Psychologists in the private sector and University systems and Teaching Hospitals along with genetic research to come up with what they call Resiliency Training. This is actually behavioral modification on steroids. They want to get these soldiers to control their emotions so as to not get PTSD while on active duty. They are using perversions of Buddhist Mindfullness training and meditation to do this, along with group think and mission focus and the end justifies the means preaching. What this really amounts to is a more sophisticated form of numbing out which will last for many many years and make it extremely difficult for these soldiers to be fathers and husbands in any emotionally meaningful way. And of course in some military establishments including departments within the Pentagon and at West Point the Book of Revelations is being brought into the mix by Campus Crusade for Christ and their off-shoots who have been alowed unrescricted access to top officers. This has been going on since Reagan ok’ed it 30 years ago and all Presidents since have let it go on. I am not sure of the updated status of this program. If anyone has additional info please post. But lets stay on the middle path here, and not become like those who we are talking about out of resentment, helplessness, hopelessness and revenge.

  23. Charlotte NC Bill  March 12, 2012 at 2:25 am

    They all stuck to the same script on 9-11 too…

  24. dirtus napus  March 11, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Hard to believe,easy to believe, take your pick. When grunts walked out of Viet Nam most would easily tell their “Padre” I just liked off’ing them, I just liked leading them with fire and killing them for the shits of it. They didn’t tell anyone else that, just like today.

    I’ve been out with several…..shit, maybe a hundred Iraq/Afghan vets drinking and also shooting out in the hills of Colorado. Mostly marines, a few Army rangers, 2 Seals and the bravest of the brave….medics. Boil them down after a few weeks of talking, they all say the same things. The same things my good buddy tells me his Nam buddies all told him–“it became addicting, god help me?”.

    I tend to agree with your assesment however, this happened on purpose. The group supported SF troops and it wouldn’t suprise me if another group was outside the wire conducting “phoenix” type operations. Same thing with the timing of Iraqi atrocities when we felt we weren’t needed as much and were leaving amidst ‘success’. First reports were a Seal or two, then a nobody, well fed with Psychotics and other scrip meds.

    We can now know that there were 608 units, platoons, take your pick of size….that operated scrictly under the control of the CIA in Nam. Marines, UDT, Army, these groups slaughtered everyone under direct command outside of Westmoreland. That’s a fact Jack. How many do you suppose operate under nefarious blankets now? How much Mossad, how much NATO do you think is in those two theatres right now, or in the past? I have a pretty good idea. A very good idea.

  25. Gordon Duff  March 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Try leaving a US “front line” operational base after midnight, getting the gate unlocked without 4 in a vehcle and authorization.
    SOP

    No lone riders, not possible, no way, not under any conditions.

    Walked? Through the wire? Then were did he get the fuel can for the fire?

  26. Gordon Duff  March 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    I get to debate “them” on occasion, usually radio, sometimes TV.

    My guess is that when I am finished with them, they go home and beat their dogs.

    The wifes had left some time ago.

  27. RDRM  March 11, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    It’s interesting to see you claim that it could not have been a single soldier, based on practical/logistical considerations. There is more than one witness who speaks of a group of soldiers having done this, but I see that almost all headlines stick to the pentagon scripting, claiming that it was just one person.

  28. taosword  March 11, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Yes Gordon, we start with ourselves. There is no other way that can push forward on the path toward living together in peace. And peace that is not just the absence of war but balanced, fair, just, compassionate, cooperative, peace with a sense of humor. I too went through the viliages in Vietnam with orders at times to search and destroy, and that it was a free fire zone. Our unit in the 1st Cav. was relatively quite disciplined and when coming across unharmed people in these zones, we asked questions first and brought in S-2 intel. before we assumed they were eminent threats. There were many reasons for these people to be where they were and we knew this. If we would have carried out what the commanders wanted us to do it would have been like Bushes “Shock and Awe” campaign on the road to Bagdad where they had the spear head Marines kill any soldiers on the road whether they were surrendering or not. Our Generals and the Iraqi Generals had worked out a plan that if the Iraqi soldiers surrendered they would be pardoned and given jobs or be reinstated in the new military. I guess alot of them were betrayed.Although there were some isolated incidents of surrendering Iraqi soldiers opening fire on American Marines it was no excuse for these immoral acts. This info I have is first hand from Marines and Army that were on this Shock and Awe road. Some of what you say about the Radical Christian trip is true. They have definitely infiltrated the Pentagon and West Point and have a view of the book of revelation from the bible that it is to be acted out now in the Middle East. This is not my opinion. Again I have first hand info from folks on the ground as they say. Whether these nut cases can take over the whole show is yet to be determined and not if I can help it in my small ways. And I am not implying that all evangelical christians are nut cases. Its usually a few with powerful positions in the church, military, political groups or organizations that get a flock to follow them into hell on earth. I have been to hell on earth because i trusted and listened to the religious, military, and primary religious education system. It can and is happening again, now.

  29. 60sstreetpunk  March 11, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I think a lot of us know about evangelical Christians and that begins by saying that the majority of you are Israeli firsters. You can criticize GD but you evangelicals think the Iraqi invasion was a great thing. When I spoke to many of you evangelicals about the immorality of invading Iraq, many of you told me that I would burn just as my Papist leader would burn. You evangelicals never had a damn good thing to say. Oops excuse me, I now recall that a bunch of you were offended by my using the word ( O my God ) “damn”.
    The next time that you and your legions of evangelical Israeli warmonger supporters give me your line of bull , I am not going to accept it and will take it as a provocation of war. So much for your phony evangelizing.

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