Ain’t Nobody Gonna Like This

Church Bombing in Alexandria Said to be Mossad Attack by Egyptians

Reality Check on Christian Roots and Mid East Reality

 

by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

 

What you think you know about Christianity is a lie.  The gospels we use now are “rehashed” Roman Empire propaganda, not the pure word of Christ. 

As much of Christ’s real words as possible were destroyed. 

The real Gospels, Nag Hammadi, Thomas, Magdalene, some from the Dead Sea Scrolls, never to be released or translated, kept like nuclear secrets, Christianity today is a game.

The real Christian world is the Middle East.  The first real Christians were from Palestine, all Jews who converted.  Very few Jews left Palestine, there is no record of it, no “exodus” to the remote areas of the Roman Empire to live among the Visigoths in 200AD.

This is cartoon religion and less than cartoon history.

Christianity in the Western Empire, Rome, Britain, Gaul, disappeared.  It first returned with St. Patrick in Ireland and Irish monks returned Christianity to what we call Britain, France and even Italy.

There was no pope in Rome. There was no Rome.  Go there.  It had been taken down stone by stone, abandoned, no water, no food supply, nothing left.

The Visigoths visit Rome to do their thing

Ninety five percent of the world’s Christians lived in the Middle East, Judea or Palestine, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Persia.  For hundreds of years there was no Muslim religion.

Another unpleasant secret.  Mohamed the Prophet reformed the Jewish religion, believed Christ to be a primary Prophet of Islam and established his religion on totally Jewish roots but accepting Christ and his teachings as paramount.

Read this at: www.adeadlymisunderstanding.com.

When I tour the Middle East, I visit Mosques but I also visit churches, the oldest in the world.

The real pope was the Bishop of Jerusalem but the power of the church increasingly moved to Constantinople, into the hierarchy of the Roman Empire who rewrote religion into politics, threw out holy writings and created a political religion that was designed to meld easily into the cacophony of Roman and Greek mythology, the many gods.

Didn’t Solomon worship many gods?  When someone says “hold no other gods above me,” they are polytheistic, not monotheistic.  To the Romans, Jupiter was the head god, to Solomon, Yahweh was, to the Greeks it was Jove.

To the Danes it was Odin.

The Twelve Trips

Sorry kids, but these were all polytheistic religions, especially Judaism.  The issue was which god was in charge, not how many gods.

The other issue was “graven images” or worshiping animal shapes and pictures.  Jews and Muslims are iconoclasts, they don’t do photos with god or the prophets.

The issue, of course, is that, when reviewing the holy books, there is mention of a messiah.  Was it Christ?  Christians say yes.  Jews say Christ lives in “piss and shit” while Muslims believe he was a great prophet.

What reality is, we never are told.  There were two Roman empires, one real one, the Eastern one, Greek, Christian after Constantine, somewhat Christian at least.

Constantine would have appointed himself god or at least pope if he had been able to get away with it.  He was one of the great liars of all time.

The west was gone, destroyed by the barbarians, nothing remained.  There were early Jewish settlements in France but Jews who worshiped Christ and built churches.  These became the Cathars and were killed in the holocaust of the Albigensian Crusade.  Read about them in something other than the Da Vinci Codes.

Magdalene died in France, according to those there, mother of Christ’s children, wife of Christ and founder of the Church.  Millions of Catholics believe this and believe she is the real “Mary.”

Go to Spain or Southern France and learn of Christianity where thousands of years are treated as yesterday.

To Americans who call themselves Christians, they could more appropriately be called “Paulists.”  The “Apostle Paul” was never an apostle, nor was “Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.”

Constantine had the real gospels destroyed.  Wonder what he didn’t like about them?

Paul was a “convenience,” he fit the Roman religion well and was chosen to be the founder of the polyglot religion that became the Christianity that Muslims rebelled against.

Oh, they didn’t tell you that?

Then there are Jews.  None were left in the “holy land.”  They didn’t take the bus to Warsaw but converted to Christianity, the official religion of the empire and later, many became Muslims, accepting Mohamed as a Prophet.  We call those Jews, pure Semites, “Palestinians.” 

Some are Jews, very few, some are Christians but were forced to flee the “holy land” by, well, we aren’t allow to say, and others are Muslims by converting from Christianity to a version of reformed Judaism called Islam which allows Christ to be a great Prophet.

This allows the “messiah” issue to be sidestepped.

There were a few Jews who had settled in Roman cities but those cities were gone, the numbers of Jews we don’t know and the truth about where they settled in Europe very different from what we are told.

Those that remained, I am guessing, stayed near the Mediterranean, moved to Persia and Iraq or Morocco.

This is guessing, there is NO history.

None moved to Germany and Poland and became the current “post-holocaust” settlers of Israel.  There is no historical support for that.

Some say that all European Jews were coverts, Khazars who were pushed west by waves of barbarians.  All of this, especially attempts at fictional racist history, is pure fabrication.

There is no real study of any of this, politics took it over 2000 years ago and it only got worse and worse.

Everything is lies now.

I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles, visited Mosques and churches, synagogues, lit endless candles, filmed where I can, talked to who I could, read what exists and am still hopelessly ignorant and learning each day.

What is clear is this:  Those who talk of religion with few exceptions are nuts.  Some are great men.  Very few know the difference and this has made religion a bane on mankind, or this is how I see it.

Religion will survive.  It is said that the Templars intended to join the 3 religions of the Book, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, into one through a great conclave.  Popes have talked about it as have others.

Instead, religion has provided “cover” for terrorism, church bombings, wars between Sunni and Shiite Muslims and Jews against the world.

I wonder how many actually believe any of it.  In France, only 11% are actually Catholic.  I know many who go to church in America but say it is for “the good of their business.”

Few know their religion and fewer still believe.

The attraction is there, denial of death, eternal life, seeing long lost dead friends, pets, getting back your old cars, all of this is written into fiction about religion, ghost stories, phony fables, “bible stories” with no basis whatsoever and the books themselves, some of them are pure freakishness.

What is the story today?  The “holyland” is emptied of Christians, who made up 35% of the population not that long ago.  They left for 2 reasons, one being that they feel pressure from the Muslim majority among their own Semites and secondly, that they are recognized as “non Jews” in Israel and subjected to being walled off, apartheid abuses and even violence.

One point I can be clear about, it is an Israeli policy to foster violence against Christians across the Middle East and blame it on Muslims.

Then again, Christians in Lebanon and elsewhere have been discriminated against by Muslims.  It is very real and continually lied about.  Problem is, it is easy to exploit.

One can see great evil in religions.  One of the great ironies of religion is how well Israel gets along, secretly, with the Wahhabist sect which is the most insane form of Islam.  They teach that Jews and Christians are monkeys, same as Judaism, under the King Torah, teaches Jews that “goyim” are cattle to be bred and slaughtered.

People who believe this scare the hell out of me.

People who teach these things, all of them, whatever religion, are war criminals and need to be kept away from the public.

There are laws and courts that cover this but only Jews are effective at getting their way.  Problem is, they also build the car bombs that blow up churches and mosques that keep the wars going and then sell “security and counter-terrorism” equipment to stop their own deeds.

They have been caught so many times, the funniest spraying swastikas on synagogues, a recruiting method of their organizations.

During WW2, Zionists joined with Hitler because they wanted him to expel Jews to Palestine where they could then kill the British occupiers.

This is in every history book, an iota of truth that stands alone.

Who is to blame?  Common men of good will exist in the majority in all religions, and in a greater majority outside all religion entirely.  We call that “enlightenment.”

A few profit from war and hate and love to manipulate, breed fear, stage phony acts of terrorism and this has been going on forever.   Every peaceful demonstration has “agent provacateurs” ready to throw bombs, always working for the police or that mysterious “New World Order” we hear so much about.

What is the extreme message, what would Christ or Mohamed say, what would a “righteous Jew” say (sic)?

Those who preach hate should die by the sword.

Real international law enforced by real international courts, not the “joke” ICC or the phony United Nations and the gangsters that run well over 100 nations as “elected leaders” will ever take mankind to a world of peace, understanding and plenty.

This is why oligarchy, now called “the 1%” is never called what it really is, organized crime.

It is how “they” got to choose candidates, run the police, own the courts, control the news, twist entertainment into “hate speech” and breed war and fear.

We let them.

The message, of course, is that we can stop, but only if we become educated, if and when we stop lying, when we physically remove those who work to twist our thought, breed hate and live off our blood.

I suspect that if Jesus were ever to return he would nuke the whole place.  Religion, as Fr. Malachi Martin once told me, proves only one thing, Satan exists.

He said he wished it were otherwise.

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Malachi Martin, former Vatican Secretary of State and best selling author said the fastest growing religion in the world is Satanism.  According to Martin, the most vulnerable populations were Catholic Jesuits, Jews, Evangelical Christians and certain sects of Islam.  Iran recognizes Satanists, those who worship or consort with “jinns” as a security threat.

Western security organizations come upon continual references to Satanism and Satanic rituals among America’s oldest and most powerful families, within the military academies and throughout the news and entertainment industry.

Most secret societies are Satanists, the groups talked about in blogs as running the world or cultivating new and more “evil” leaders.  Their rituals are all Satanic, disguised behind phony tradition and “hazing.”  Blood sacrifice, child murder, these are common crimes among the powerful, crimes that surfaced during the Franklin affair.  Pedophiles are not the issue, Satanism is… and child kidnapping and murder in Washington, is known of and accepted by all in government.

Does this explain a thing or two?

Almost all Satanists attend regular worship as Christians, Muslims and Jews, the use of “cover” a key part of their belief system.

Fr. Malachi Martin claims that many, some very powerful, some seemingly ordinary, but in numbers beyond imagination, are inhabited by demons and that religion is in denial of this.

If you meet someone “infested or possessed,” they will tell you, or could if they would, that they are the rational ones, the enlightened, that their “god” is the only real god and that “that other guy” went on vacation long ago.  This is why so many Jesuits are Satanists, like the coven here in Toledo, look into Father Gerald Miller.  Try to get past the edited versions.

I mention this only in passing.   When I think of Dr. Aafia, kidnapped, raped, tortured, children killed, all done by American military officers, or of the Rodriguez torture policies or the look of Bush and Cheney I have moments when  I fear Martin may be right and that my own rationalism and humanism may be hiding a supernatural world of endless evil that fills our lives every day and can never be described with conventional rational beliefs.

I read the Wikipedia of former General Paul Vallely related to a defense firm today.  Is this a total lie, a “hit piece” by Wikipedia or is he “one of them.”  If I am wrong about religion then are most religious wrong about  something else?


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86 Responses to "Ain’t Nobody Gonna Like This"

  1. Dublinmick  May 12, 2012 at 10:57 am

    If there were no God there would be no atheists.

    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/the-devils-dictionary/

  2. Dublinmick  May 12, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Gerry
    You like many feel they can write off man’s oldest findings on history/religion without reading any of it or even displaying the slightest bit of competence concerning it. You have a lot of reading and reflection ahead of you.

    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/who-are-the-nefilim-where-did-they-go-will-they-return/#comment-125

  3. Dublinmick  May 10, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Brian Ketterer
    More information on this matter.

    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/who-are-the-nefilim-where-did-they-go-will-they-return/

  4. whitewraithe  May 9, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Gordon, I’ve been reading your articles for years and I truly appreciate your work.

    However, I have to disagree with what your comments about the Khazars. The Jews themselves explain their modern day heritage in the Jewish Encycopedia. At least 80% of todays Jews descend from Western Europe. They admit to being Askenazim Khazars from the Russian steps, so I do not understand how you can say this history has no validity.

  5. wolf  May 9, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Liberty, if it was 1776 and we were distant neighbors in Massachusetts Colony, would we not be willing to stand together despite our differences, shoulder to shoulder, at Concord Bridge in defiance of the red-coated Rothschild agents who were coming to confiscate our arms and enforce tyranny?

    It is important to remember that first we are all children of the same God, and only secondarily are we separated by doctrines or specific religious beliefs. We are all spiritual beings manifesting in this physical world. To be bigoted toward any situation, type of individual, or experience…especially with the knowledge that we will draw those same circumstances to us in the future (karma), is not in keeping with the concept of oneness.

    Our ‘Concord Bridge moment’ may well be near at hand and once again, we must all put our differences aside and unite in the defense of Liberty…and frankly at this point, for the survival of humanity itself. Only this time, we must fight in a different way and it begins with opening one’s mind.

    After all, you don’t believe that 19 Arabs with box cutters took down the WTC towers on 9/11, do you? Our nation was attacked from without and from within and what are we gonna do about it?

  6. JCHayes  May 8, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    ‘Western religions are structured for human control, eastern religions are structured for human development’, or so I overheard an Israeli philosophy professor once whisper. Personally, C.G.Jung’s ‘Answer to Job’ helped me understand its alright if my belief in god wavers given god’s demonstrated lack of belief in self.

    Gordon, your unprecedented prose brings to mind a critically stated snippet of a Joseph Campbell lecture, “Enlightened One” (on video in part 2, episode 2 of the “Mythos” video series) where he explains contrasts and commonalities between global spiritual systems. First he demonstrates how Hindu psycho-spiritual sciences were assimilated and adapted by the Chinese and Greeks taking with it an intrinsic recognition of natural order, and then between 42:00 and 46:00 he takes a run at explaining the unique nature of spirituality according to J-tribe traditions (my bracketed generalizations)…

    “[…, the sage] unites with the universe, or you can unite with society, in any case in China and one feels this very strongly, there is a much stronger accent on positive participation in the flow than in India, even in the ‘boga as yoga’ of the Mahayana in India you still feel ‘well, we wish we were out of it’, but in China there’s this marvelous rounding participation. Lao Tzu is supposed to have been the older sage and this [drawing] is Confucius talking with Lao Tzu. Lao Tzu represents the Dao in nature, Confucius adapts it to the Dao in society. 500 BC the Buddha in India, and Confucius in China.

    “So, now we come to the near east and this is the date of Darius the first, I think its 523 to 468, and he was the master. And what is the idea here? The idea is of the emperor as incarnation or representative of the ‘King of Kings’. God as ‘King of Kings’ and human beings as god’s subjects. Please get this. The idea of man as the servant of god, man as the subject of god, man as the slave of god.

    “Er, this has come to us, I remember when I was a kid in school and we were reciting the catechism, ‘Why did god make you? God made me to love him, to serve him, and to honor him in this world and to be happy with him forever in heaven’. It has to do with relationship to god, [or in contrast] god did not make me to realize my god-hood. You see its a totally different thing, so we’re on the other side of the line. And this is the near eastern system out of which our Biblical heritage comes. Now that is outstanding and different.

    “Then we come to Greece the same date, this is Pythagoras, and you’d think you were in India again, Platonic Pythagorian traditions. One of the most available statements of the Pythagorian position is in Ovid in the Metamorphoses. He tells of the sage of Samos, and what did this sage teach? ‘he was far from the gods but in his mind at home with them’, and what his teaching was? was this, ‘all things change but they are one. The one wax takes many molds’, its the same old doctrine.

    “So here we have it, in between the Greek the Indo-European classical Greek, and the Indo-European Indian, and beyond that the Chinese, we have this authoritarian ‘King of Kings’ tradition which has come to us through the Bible. I don’t know how it got there, but its there, and it would be a very interesting thing to trace the backgrounds of this, why it should be outstanding and different in this way. […]”

  7. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Liberty wouldn’t it be better to get off your hind end, do some searching and find out what Jesus really did say than and try doing it for a change than sit around listening pat Robertson?

  8. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I would say the internet has made it much for difficult for the blind to lead the blind.

    Every notice that people who want to talk to you about religion never want to hear much about yours. The churchianity types lead the way in this regard.

    Religion is the frozen thought of man out of which they build temples.”

    If you think you are free, then no escape is possible. Ram Dass

    Some people walk in the rain others just get wet.

  9. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Liberty I can tell there are a lot of people you need to talk with and many books to read but Jesus had not even been born yet when the Buddha walked the earth. We know exactly what the Buddha taught as it was written in gold lettering and not allowed to be changed. It wasn’t produced in an updated version and sold at walmart on a monthly basis or changed by popes and kings with their latest decrees.

  10. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Religion is a word taken from the Greek and it simply means pathway to truth. Everyone is on his own pathway to truth whether or not they are conscious of this or not. For some atheism then fits the definition of religion.

    Little known to most, Hinduism simply means the quest for truth, nobody is excommunicated and even the atheist can be considered a Hindu for he two has embarked upon his own search for truth.

    Nobody knows who started Hinduism. It was brought forward by the Rishis and nobody knows who they were but the fundamental tenet is truth is a series of sounds called the Shruti literature. They are formed by the movement of the planets in the universe forming a frequency. They have always been here and always will be here.

  11. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    So right you are.

  12. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    No Gerry not familiar with it but I tend to give weight to those opinions who think Thomas was the twin brother of Jesus and he and Magdalene journeyed to France at one time. There are carvings of her and one who looks like Jesus on a cave wall.

  13. Gerry  May 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Mick, are you familiar with any of Glenn Kimball’s work. He claims that through forensic analysis of still surviving financial records from the time that the family of Jesus of Barnabus or whatever, were quite wealthy. He was the first I ever heard claim Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married. he once said that Joseph of Nazareth was a carpenter in the sense that he was the owner of a large construction company so to speak and that Joseph of Aramathea was Jesus’ uncle and one of the richest men in the Roman Empire owning most of the tin, copper and lead mines in Britain. He claimed they got their reputation for things like the bread and wine stories as the often threw large celebrations for the populace and always returned 50% of the earnings from their endeavors to the people who made it possible. Of course this would not make you very popular with the Pharisees so one thing led to another.

    What do you think about that?

  14. Curmudgeon  May 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    DaveE
    Another aspect of ideology is guidance for how one conducts oneself. Your examples are correct in showing the conflicts between Judaism and Christianity. What is more interesting, however, is the commonality between Christianity and other religions, including, but not limited to, a number of the European pagan religions. For that matter, the messages of Confusious are in most ways entirely “Christian”. The conduct called for by these religions are what we would call the fabric of our societies.

    There are also pagan and other religions that share Judaism’s values – hate and greed. I, for one, believe that what we call Satanism, is one of them.Thes religions are less numerous.

    What we have seen accellerated, seemingly annually in the past 50 years is the hateful religions becoming dominant. In my view, that is why we are experiencing the massive breakdowns in our societies, including the ever increasing violence.

  15. Mike Kay  May 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Why is it that so much confusion reigns between religion and spirituality?
    Why is it that historic truth must always be vilified, that some make believe fantasy trip must be substituted for the real events that transpired?
    Why is it that reality must always be compromised for a false religious purity?
    Is it not better to know the events that took place, and then find your authentic spiritual nature, than to tip toe through the clouds of deception and lies?
    Who assumed, ever, that the spiritual path is as easy as submitting to authority and mindlessly accepting everything doled out with no questions asked?
    When one looks to other traditions, other cultures, one finds great effort, sometimes horrific disillusion, as the backbone to practicing spirituality. Have so many become such a useless horde of chip munching tv addicts that they expect salvation to be just as easy and accessible as junk food on a grocery store shelf?

  16. Gerry  May 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Mick, Thanks on the Nazarene. I had thought his name was such due to Joseph of Nazareth supposedly being his father. Regardless I do believe he was one of those enlightened souls that tries to impart some civility to a planet dominated by predatory primates.

    I have reason to believe the Hindu religion was able to survive the flood and cataclysmic wars, and was the antithesis to the technocratic dystopia of antediluvian civilization. And once again we’re near to going full circle with the distinct possibility this Kali Yuga may end like the last. Will we ever learn? I suppose eventually!

  17. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Jesus: The scriptures are the dead words of dead men, the law is life.

    From one Mother proceeds all that lives upon the earth. Therefore, he who kills, kills his brother. And from him will the Earthly Mother turn away, and will pluck from him her quickening breasts. And he will be shunned by her angels, and Satan will have his dwelling in his body. And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his own tomb. For I tell you truly, he who kills, kills himself, and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts, eats of the body of death. For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; in his breath their breath to stink; in his flesh their flesh to boils; in his bones their bones to chalk; in his bowels their bowels t o decay; in his eyes their eyes to scales; in his ears their ears to waxy issue. And their death will become his death.

    The real baptism, water enimas to cleanse the body

    And when they baptized themselves, the angel of water entered their bodies, and from them flowed out all the abominations and uncleannesses of their past sins, and like a falling mountain stream gushed from their bodies a multitude of hard and soft abominations. And the ground where their waters flowed was polluted, and so great became the stench that none could remain there. And the devils left their bowels in the shape of multitudinous worms which writhed in impotent rage after the angel of water had cast them out of the bowels of the Sons of Men. And then descended upon them the power of the angel of sunshine, and they perished there in their desperate writhings, trod underfoot by the angel of sunshine. And all were trembling with terror when they looked upon all these abominations of Satan.”

    http://www.thenazareneway.com/essene_gospel_of_peace_book1.htm

    “Seek, therefore, a large trailing gourd, having a stalk the length of a man; take out its inwards and fill it with water from the river which the sun has warmed. Hang it upon the branch of a tree, and kneel upon the ground before the angel of water, and suffer the end of the stalk of the trailing gourd to enter your hinder parts, that the water may flow through all your bowels. Afterwards rest kneeling on the ground before the angel of water and pray to the living God that he will forgive you all your past sins, and pray the angel of water that he will free your body from every uncleanness and disease. ”

    Sprinkling holy water on the head will not get the job done.

    “Renew yourselves and fast. For I tell you truly, that Satan and his plagues may only be cast out by -fasting and by prayer. Go by yourself and fast alone, and show your fasting to no man. The living God shall see it and great shall be your reward. And fast till Beelzebub and all his evils depart from you, and all the angels of our Earthly Mother come and serve you. For I tell you truly, except you fast, you shall never be freed from the power of Satan and from all diseases that come from Satan

    Jesus said: “You do not understand the words of life, because you are in death. Darkness darkens your eyes and your ears are stopped with deafness. For I tell you, it profits you not at all that you pore over dead scriptures if by your deeds you deny him who has given you the scriptures.

    For your Mother bore you, keeps life within you. She has given you her body, and none but she heals you. Happy is he who loves his Mother and lies quietly in her bosom. For your Mother loves you, even when you turn away from her. And how much more shall she love you, if you turn to her again? I tell you truly, very great is her love, greater than the greatest of mountains, deeper than the deepest seas. And those who love their Mother, she never deserts them. As the hen protects her chickens, as the lioness her cubs, as the mother her newborn babe, so does the Earthly Mother protect the Son of Man from all danger and from all evils.”

    Jesus was a yogi!

    http://www.thenazareneway.com/essene_gospel_of_peace_book1.htm

  18. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    There is a way, for instance I agree with everything namastemperfi just said. It is not really that hard. The entire world outside churchianity is in agreement on some 95 percent. That includes native Americans, Aborigines, Hindus and Buddhists.

    http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/6nations1.html#part1a

    Covered up since the Vietnam war

    http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2011/09/the-truth-about-hair-covered-up-since-the-vietnam-war.html

    When they needed code breakers they had to turn to the Navajo not catholics because they don’t know anything except to believe what they are told and put the money in the plate.

    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.

  19. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    The old testament is a small paraphrase cooked up by constantine using the clay tablets of the middle east, many found in the Berlin Museium. Want to take a look at a more comprehensive old testament?

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks.htm

    Hindu defends against churchianity

    http://www.hinduism.co.za/jesus.htm

    Ancient history from the Mickster!
    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/the-dogon-tribal-symbols-same-as-the-cheyenne-or-planet-of-the-crossing/

  20. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    History actually happened, the rest is what somebody wrote down.

  21. Dublinmick  May 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Gerry
    Did you ever notice the less they know, the more they think they know?

    By the way the last name of Jesus was not Christ nor Nazareth. His last name was Barnabas. Christ is taken from the Greek and means light or one annointed with light. It is the energy you get when you split the atom and pervades all matter. Most christians do not know the last name of Jesus, they seem to think it is Nazareth as they were told in sunday school.

    I can find nothing in our present altered christian doctrine that extolls intelligence. You don’t need it, you simply have to believe what the preacher says, and they do. If he told them Tierra Del Fuego was the holy land and anti-Christ forces of Somalia were about to invade it, they would believe, probably send money there and volunteer to fight in the liberation army .

    I would not underestimate Hindu theology as it specifically points to a frequency given off by the rotation of the planets of the solar system as the Shruti sounds of the universe, the produce light also. This is the “word” we often hear about and it is not some religious book, it is not Jimmy Swaggert or Billy Graham, LOL.

    If you don’t believe this put a sea shell to your ear and listen to the frequency, the word is real.

    If you I.Q. is minus 10 I would imagine everything sounds new age.

  22. Gerry  May 7, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Liberty1776’s intolerance is really indicative of the control his masters have over his mind. We all had slightly to completely different opinions and everybody was cordial. He had to be rude from his first post calling us all loosers. Had he just begged to differ he would have been welcomed in to the discussion. The Whacko Right wing dispensationalists are dangerous. They seriously believe that they need to usher in Armageddon so they can get a ride on the Pale Horse to heaven. They’re taught that our opinions are “New Age” even though they predate their brand of idolatry by at least 4500 years and they appear to be much older than that. Look into a place called Gobleki Tepi. An awesome antediluvian megalithic site 12,000 years old that makes Stonehenge look like child’s play. They’re also told that our “New Age” thoughts are directly influenced by Satan / Antichrist, and we are their mortal enemies. While we were talking about peace and harmony they want war and imposition of their ideals by force if necessary, no matter how many innocent people have to die so they can get raptured. What a bunch of self serving nonsense. I’ve got news for them; If Jesus does show back up, he’ll be kicking some ass and taking names of those who have maligned his for the past 2000 years. And like the old saying goes: “ignorance is no excuse”!

  23. Derek X  May 7, 2012 at 8:03 am

    I don’t think there’s a market for yellow holy water.

  24. Gordon Duff  May 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Am going to put them on ebay along with a gallon of holy water

  25. wolf  May 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    You’d probably say the same thing about the Christ after attending one of his real sermons. You bible-thumping Christian Zionist moron.

  26. Gerry  May 6, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    You and your pious, self righteous cross crap is nothing but an article of faith. It’s based on the lies and manipulation of people who used to put True Christian women in stuffed bulls so real bulls could screw them to death while they jacked off. This is the crap you ignorantly worship. That cross has been the symbolic impetus for more human suffering than anything even nature can throw at us. You enter this thread with a rude intolerant insult, which is typical of the believer with a bible in one hand and a rock in the other. Why don’t you kiss your picture of George Bush and go save some people who give a shit!

  27. Gerry  May 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Yep I’m sure you’re gonna be one of the first of the 144,000. And I’m glad I’m lost since it would be a hell of a trip with with a tea bagging troll like yourself.

    And JEEEEZUZ SAID “Bomb unto others before they bomb unto you” Constantine 2:24

  28. taosword  May 6, 2012 at 10:54 am

    The warrior spirit of the Marine is many times pure and noble. The problem happens in the process of group think and always being faithful. Many of the leaders, especially at the upper officer levels have abused this spirit and many if not most Marines and Soldiers have succumbed to obedience to authority confusing it with always being faithful. Critical thinking should never be abandoned for Stoicism, only looking at the next mine that can blow your legs off, or going along with an immoral or illegal order because you don’t trust your own individual ability to think critically in survival mode. There is the danger of being ostrasized from the group of Marines if you dare buck the group think and the chain of command. Your own men may want you dead if they are into the group think even if it is to their own demise. Hopefully this makes things just a little less confusing and more clear.

  29. lola  May 6, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Taosword:
    I understand your perspective and respect it. However, I caution you to not confuse your warrior spirit with your experience in the Marines. It was a mix of propaganda and a real warrior spirit, something that is authentic and not political. You may very well know what I mean. I am just discussing this with you, veteran to veteran.

  30. lola  May 6, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Gary:
    It is spelled Hindu. You may be thinking of Vodoo. Now Hindu’s killing Muslims, or Muslims killing Hindu’s is not a failure of their faith. It is a failure of their culture and political manipulation. If Atheists were an answer to this failure of faith then we would not have has the greatest killings of recorded history by Stalin and Mao. It is a cultural war and not religious. The Reds were created and led by Zionists/Freemasons. Follow the money and count the bodies.

  31. lola  May 6, 2012 at 8:11 am

    May 6, 2012 – 8:10 am

    Thank you DaveE. Yes, I am a Russian Orthodox Christian who has studied Zen Buddhism for 25 years (Soto Zen). I see no conflict. I too believe Christ was influenced by Buddhism during his travels. He was known to invite people of different faiths into discussion as he lived at one time near the Silk Road or what became known as the Silk Road. This artery was well traveled by people of different faiths and was something of a “melting pot” and Christ utilized this.
    Cheers
    l.

  32. lola  May 6, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Thank you DaveE. Yes, I am a Russian Orthodox Christian who has studied Zen Buddhism for 25 years (Soto Zen). I see no conflict. I too believe Christ was influenced by Buddhism during his travels. He was known to invite people of different faiths into discussion as he lived at one time near the Silk Road or what became known as the Silk Road. This artery was well traveled by people of different faiths and was something of a “melting pot” and Christ utilized this.
    Cheers
    l.

  33. Gerry  May 6, 2012 at 6:10 am

    You need to liberate your mind from the neural linguistic programming of your religionists, which has nothing to do with the real Christ. And everything to do with herding sheep to the tune of your owners. Then you might actually have your first original thought. Quite a frightening prospect isn’t it!

  34. taosword  May 5, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    I guess these religious myths serve various purposes. In most organized religions it is control of the masses by the few. But they also serve as community organizing groups, social organizations, and rite of passage rituals. The knowledge of both aspects of religion, the part that is for the betterment of mankind, and the part that is not much different then the cult of the Marine Corps, is important to have. So the power and control part based on fear of death and fear of emotions, that they use , needs to be exposed and shown the way out the door. I learned in the military that I was brain-washed by both the Catholic Church’s Nuns and Priests, and also by the Military. Once I was enlightened to these FACTS I had to figure out if there are any good qualities in Religions or the Military. In this search I went into Buddhism and discovered the Spiritual Warrior. That is what is left from most organized Religions and Militaries after you take out the neurotic fear, control, and aggression. Although this is not just the process of elimination but a very rigorous, difficult path of discipline, compassion, tolerance, balance, wrath, and community. I dont see much of this anywhere in the major churches or branches of military in our country and most others. The warrior, hero bullshit titles that are thrown around in regards to the current veterans and soldiers of Iraq and Afganistan are a feeble attempt at re-propagandizing the American people because of the way we were treated after Vietnam. Actually not being treated as a warrior/hero after Vietnam helped me start on the path of knowledge about the myth of religions and militarys. It would be nice to see more war vets make sense of this BS Brainwashing. Lets keep talking about this stuff.

  35. JS  May 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Fr. Malachi Martin was right, and he died because of it.

  36. Aletheia  May 5, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    That’s very humble and wise of you to say Mr. Duff. To believe or disbelieve is a God-given right we have, we’ll all answer to him…I believe.

    Isn’t that the truth, that religion as it has been so far, has proved the existence of evil more than that of God? I’m comforted however that, God, the supreme being of all, who is good, is there if evil/satan exists. It would have been even worse otherwise. I think human beings void of what you call enlightenment, behave like vicious brutes.

    As for THE Messiah/deliverer, I believe it is Y’shua(Jesus Christ), there have been others, and some will come, the talmudists have one on the way. Y’shua though, fits all other biblical prophecies which foresaw his arrival and mission. As opposed to others, he alone is the son of God. Just what I believe, it would be glorious if others too did, but no one has to.

    Oh that Constantine and his friends…they distorted a lot. But, as you’ve shared, we aren’t left in the dark, there are ways to spot the heresies and faults in the Bible. It may take a while to detox some splinters of christendom, though. It is more of an individual thing to do, than a collective one. I look into what you lot say on these matters and see whether there’s something to clean up.

    Thanks again, Sir.

  37. Gordon Duff  May 5, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I take no responsibility for the beliefs of others but, when I receive confirmations on aspects of his work, I pay attention.g

  38. Gerry  May 5, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Then along came the Jesuits, usury and Satanic debt slavery. And here we are now facing the possible collpase of civilization because of the love of mammon.

  39. Dublinmick  May 4, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Gordon as your mentor and one of your biggest fans, that is one of your better efforts, I agree with most of it.

    Mr. Ketterer is right about many things but very wrong on Edgar Cayce and the Hindus. Some of that sounded like you were a sauced up back woods preacher.

    I have laid it all out for you here.

    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/the-germans-call-it-mehr-als-leben-more-than-living/

    http://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/the-dogon-tribal-symbols-same-as-the-cheyenne-or-planet-of-the-crossing/

    Constantine was a British born warlord who killed the Vedic priests and took over the Vatika, (Vatican). Vedic culture was world wide at this time. Many of the scripts used in the book called the bible are taken from the Sumerian Enuma Elish. I personally think the the words of Jesus are contained in the Essene Gospel, one of the few books that did not disappear in the vatican cellar.

    http://www.thenazareneway.com/essene_gospel_of_peace_book1.htm

    The message of Jesus was the extolling of nature, you know kind of like the Native American Indians, Buddhists and adherents of Yoga.

    The Sumerian clay tablets are where the real biblical story are to be found and in much greater detail.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks.htm

    The emperer Constantine convened the council of Nicaea around 369. He called all the “holy men” of the day who were “under divine guidance” to meet in Turkey as it was convenient for all. Eusebius was the only deacon invited due to his recent war record where brought the sword of the Lord against Arianism. The idea of the trinity was decided by a council vote where Constantine convened the assembly in purple robes and glittering precious stones. It was to be decided immediately to bring stability to a beaten down empire under the glory of Christ. All references to reincarnation were dispensed with as such an idea did not lead to control construct.

    
The council decided in favour of celebrating the resurrection on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox. Many things were ironed out including whether Jesus and God were made of the same substance, if Arianism would be included in the new book of essays and short stories they were working with, whether or not Alexander of Alexandria would also be equal with the son of God. It was decided he would not be included and then from there all books concerning Arianism were burned and anybody caught with them would be executed.

    
This edict was one to take lightly either as Joan of Arc, Mother Shipton and hundreds of thousands thereafter found out when they were burned at the stake.

    
We know that John did indeed write Revelation from the Island of Patmos and I give weight to it as he was the brother of Jesus. John’s Gospel declares Jesus the be the Divine eternal Logos, agent of creation and source of life and light. Thomas Didymous the twin also wrote the gospel of Thomas which has turned up in Greece more recently and it is obvious why it was not included as he calls the body the only temple needed and exhorts those to who seek the light to go inside themselves and forget about churches. Know thyself is the call word of Thomas. He is known as a Gnostic, or those who receive illumination from the inner light.

    
There is one thing I can tell you for sure, the bible was put together by a group of clerics answerable to the Roman empire and they all thought the world was flat.

  40. Mike Kay  May 4, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    A couple comments have aimed at some of the apparent contradictions in the Bible. These contradictions are somewhat easier to understand when one understands that like Mr. Duff alludes to, the current bible was not a finished document, overseen by one editor.
    The Old Testament was not simply a religious text. It was a bald attempt at creating a cultural record. Rome was bent on subjugating the Hebrew barbarians, and one of their methods was to outlaw cultural practices, and put the finger of death upon anyone who might preside over such. Thus Rabbis became homeless wanderers, presiding over cultural events on the sly, and skipping town when the Legionnaires showed up. These same Rabbis were determined to preserve their culture in a document, and they debated heatedly over what would-or would not be included. One of the most debated was the song of Solomon. The result of this debate was the Old Testament.
    The New Testament never actually existed.
    The New Testament was invented through a long series of acts, beginning as Mr. Duff says, with Constantine. Constantine married many pagan holidays, symbols, and philosophies into the nascent Christian doctrine, as he was seeking a political tool by which to unite and also control the population of what would become Byzantium.
    Constantine’s practice was carried on by the Catholic church, and certain holidays celebrated today as Christian, are thoroughly pre-Christian in origin.
    From the mix of pagan and Christian, came the need for the church to develop an official dogma, and in order to create such, many councils at Nicea were held over the centuries. The result of these councils was an increasingly restrictive dogma, which stripped away from the lay people any hope of salvation outside of the edifice of the church. For example, one council featured the removal of reincarnation as a tenet of the church. The reason for this removal was power. Church leaders felt that if people believed they would be reincarnated, they would have less reason to follow the orders of the brass.
    Entire scrolls were deleted from the bible, discarded, not by the will of a supreme being, but by a political entity seeking to entrench its power.
    Thus, much of what is left seems confusing and without complete explanation.
    That’s because there was never any intention to create a spiritual document, the intent all along was to create a temporal one.

  41. bikpet  May 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    “In the beginning the church was a fellowship of men and women centering on the living Christ. Then the church moved to Greece where it became a philosophy. Then it moved to Rome where it became an institution. Next, it moved to Europe, where it became a culture. And, finally, it moved to America where it became an enterprise.”

  42. Gerry  May 4, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Don’t worry, there are those planning to put our minds to rest and illuminate us with thier g-d Lucifer.

    One of the few truths left in the Nicean / King James / Scolfield Scriptures is the truth about who does rule this world.

  43. Ray  May 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Gord,

    Am not sure what your trying to say or lead to ….There is a God or no God etc…this relgion or that relgion etc…
    But I will say that with all the Religions and Beliefs….there is only room for one that is correct.
    and this will be solved one day…..One religion unites…while more then one divides

    May the lord in whose hand is my soul and yours…guide us to the straigh path.

    Peace be with all

  44. Gary Walker  May 4, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Ah Rahnameh, the Bible Jesus was not crucified when he kicked over the money changers pots. At least not in the inspired word of John. That happened in the very beginning of his escapades in #2. I know this contradicts the other 3 inspired gospels but hey, this is the Bible.

    Peace be upon us,
    Infidel

  45. The Rahnameh  May 4, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “It is said that the Templars intended to join the 3 religions of the Book, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, into one through a great conclave. Popes have talked about it as have others.”

    That’s what Islam’s prophet, Muhammed, already did — created a new enclave for the 3 religions of the (then) “Book” – ZOROASTRIANISM, Christianity and Judaism.

    Jinn is a Zoroastrian principle. As are free will, the version of good and bad, Mithra/Christ’s Resurrection, etc.

    Rabbi Yeshua preached for social justice against an Empire. He was crucified when he kicked over the money changers pots.

    Who is today’s Rabbi Yeshua?

  46. Gerry  May 4, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Buddhism and Jainism are both modern offshoots of Hinduism. The religion of the Aryan (white) race indigenous to prehistoric Northern Europe, that moved east across Eurasia conquering and settling the Dravidian (Dark) race of northern India. Their strict adherence to racial purity led to the Caste (Caste translates to color) system still prevalent in India today. Look at the color of upper caste (light skin, northern India) and lower caste (darker, southern) right down to the untouchables almost black. They carried with them their Hindu philosophy that had as it’s symbol the Swastika which can be found throughout Eurasia to this day from time immemorial. It’s even common on SW US petroglyphs. They authored the Vedic Texts that are still revered to this day. It wasn’t until the Judeo Roman usurpation of Christ’s symbolism that it was lost in the west. Hitler didn’t invent the Aryan (in his case blonde hair blue eyed super race) mythology. He just usurped it like the Romans did Christianity.

    If this doesn’t give you nightmares and have you reaching for the Prozac or tequila I’ll tell you the origin of the Aryans 😉

  47. Gary Walker  May 4, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Yeah Tom, we may not know what we are talking about, but did the Bible Jesus know what he was talking about. “Whoever says, you fool shall be in danger of hellfire.” Mt. 5:22, and in Mt. 23:17 we have recorded for our benefit, “Fools and blind!,” the red letter words of the Bible Jesus.
    Now Bible Jesus, being one of the gods, may have impunity from his own rules, or maybe he was just a hypocrite. Or maybe he did not even exist.
    “I don’t know whether or not god exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn’t.” Jules Renard

    Peace be upon us,
    Infidel

  48. ricohands  May 4, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Jesus message was more akin to Buddha’s who had 500 yrs before Jesus preached the value of compassion, non-revenge, non-violence.I have read somewhere a young Jesus spent 18 years (missing in Bible) in then Buddhist Kashmir & was influenced by that philosophy.

  49. ricohands  May 4, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Whats not to like Mr Duff! The truth is always likeable in my opinion. Thanks for publishing.

  50. Tom Valentine  May 4, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Christ also said, in context and clearly, to call no man father or rabbi, because we all have but one father our Creator in heaven. evidently Constantine’s scribes missed it because every version has it. Computers and the Internet have made it easier for the blind to lead the blind. None of us KNOW what we are talking about.

  51. ljaszczak  May 4, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Gordon,
    That was Fr. Gerald Robinson, no Miller, right?
    LJJ

  52. Cold Wind  May 4, 2012 at 7:03 am

    “Ain’t Nobody Gonna Like This”. Right on that! Still, I remain a Catholic, Christ my refuge.

  53. wolf  May 3, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Gordon, you are not really Gordon Duff…but Infinite Consciousness having a Gordon Duff experience. To the benefit of many.

    It’s been said that Mankind won’t know peace until the last bankster is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Why did Constantine have the real gospels destroyed? What was it that he didn’t like about them?

    “IF THOSE WHO LEAD YOU say to you ‘See, the kingdom is in the sky’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you ‘It is in the sea’ then the fish will precede you. Rather the kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of you.”

    –Jesus from The Gospel of Thomas (banned from the New Testament)

    Could Jesus have been implying here that organized religion and the Priest class were not necessary to find the Kingdom of God? My My…how would that dovetail with tyranny’s intent of using ‘religion’ and the fear of death as a system of mind control? The ‘opiate for the masses’…

    No wonder the Brotherhood of the Snake wanted to co-opt ‘Christianity’ and stamp out any evidence of what the Master was really trying to teach…and hunt down and kill any keepers of the ancient knowledge.

    I think Lisa Blazer Butler’s comment up top in the facebook area was right on point.

  54. wolf  May 3, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    “Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it,
    Unless it agrees with your own reason…And your own common sense.”

    –The Buddha

  55. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Sorry If I offended you, but a belief system is not necessarily a religion. Atheism is not a religion. It is not even a belief system. It is non belief. That’s beyond argument. And I do think that bigotry has a lot to do with this issue.

    Agape,
    Infidel

  56. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Yeah, I believe in consciousness as a fundamental force in the Universe. Some would call it “God”….. To me, it’s jargon or terminology, but intelligence, consciousness, God or whatever you want to call it, is all the same thing, by different names.

    Yes, atheism is as much a belief system as any other. That’s beyond argument.

    Bigotry has nothing to do with it.

    Are you too stupid to know the difference between religion, belief and bigotry? Seems like the answer is “yes” from where I stand.

  57. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Oh, I know it’s late but, happy national day of prayer everyone, as long as you pray to the correct sky phantasm. If you pray to an incorrect phantasm, may you be boiled in your own pudding.

    Agape,
    Infidel

  58. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Fair enough, Lola. We all have our own (God intended) path to enlightenment. Slow and frustrating as it may be.

    We all try on different shoes, different clothes, different hairstyles, to see if they work. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t. Sometimes, they last a few months and we see pictures of ourselves (in that period) and we want to toss our cookies! Just a natural consequence of this crazy thing called “growing up” or learning.

    I think Orthodox Christianity is pretty close to my (mostly Buddhist) beliefs. I was a Christian for quite a while, dumped the whole program about 30 years ago, but have since discovered that many Christians are not as crazy as I once thought. (though some definitely ARE crazy…..)

    Christ was a Buddhist, or at least heavily influenced by Buddha. The parallels are too obvious and striking to be ignored.

    Anyway, keep questioning, learning and avoid the easy answers. God will tailor his “lesson plan” to you. He’s not an egomaniac. He wants you to learn and will see to it that you DO learn, if you keep an open heart and an open mind.

    Most of all, remember, he (she) is a F^&K of a lot smarter than you are! All you gotta do is learn how to LISTEN…… which is easier said than done.

    Dmitri Khalezov and many of the writers here at VT are right on the money with regards to the zionist mafia. Gordon, Jim Dean and crew deserve HUGE commendations for bringing their truth(s) to daylight. Frankly, they’re the biggest reason I visit at least twice a day. The TRUTH is in short supply, these days. Gotta take it where (and when) it comes!

    Carry on, sister……..

  59. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Dave E,

    You say that you avoid religion like the plague, but you believe in a god. On the other hand, you claim that atheism is a religion. Um, are you nuts, or just a bigot?

    The end is Rear,
    Infidel

  60. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Fair enough, Lola. We all have our own (God intended) path to enlightenment. Slow and frustrating as it may be.

    We all try on different shoes, different clothes, different hairstyles, to see if they work. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t. Sometimes, they last a few months and we see pictures of ourselves (in that period) and we want to toss our cookies! Just a natural consequence of this crazy thing called “growing up” or learning.

    I think Orthodox Christianity is pretty close to my (mostly Buddhist) beliefs. I was a Christian for quite a while, dumped the whole program about 30 years ago, but have since discovered that many Christians are not as crazy as I once thought. (though some definitely ARE crazy…..)

    Christ was a Buddhist, or at least heavily influenced by Buddha. The parallels are too obvious and striking to be ignored.

    Anyway, keep questioning, learning and avoid the easy answers. God will tailor his “lesson plan” to you. He’s not an egomaniac. He wants you to learn and will see to it that you DO learn, if you keep an open heart and an open mind.

    Most of all. remember, he (she) is a F^&K of a lot smarter than you are! All you gotta do is learn how to LISTEN…… which is easier said than done.

  61. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Greetings Roland,

    I agree. The answer to the question, “is nothing sacred,” is yes.

    Agape,
    Infidel

  62. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    And wasn’t it Hindoos who massacred 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat in 2002?

  63. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Yo Namastemperfi,

    Wasn’t it a Hindo who murdered Ghandi?

  64. Allen L Roland  May 3, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Good stuff, Gordon ~ I liked it but I’m big on reality checks on everything, from Christianity to Atheism ~ nothing is sacred in my book, except love.

  65. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Couldn’t agree more, namastemperfi. However, the dividing line between belief and religion is very slim.

    I bailed on “the church” 30+ years ago and have never looked back. I’m basically a Buddhist, these days, but not completely, as I still have plenty of disagreements, mostly small…. but there, nonetheless.

    The heart and the mind, working together, will eventually lead you to the truth, although it may take many lifetimes, is the essence of what I believe. I think this is the essence of many of the great sages’ philosophies, as well, particularly the Eastern ones.

    When someone’s beliefs become “codified” in a “religion”, that’s when the trouble starts. I avoid any “religion” like the plague.

    To me, “religion” is an insult to the heart and mind God gave to all. Including my dogs, my best friends…… much smarter than humans.

    They don’t need no stinkin’ “religion” so why should I?

    I think we’re in agreement, here………

  66. lola  May 3, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    DaveE:
    I like what you wrote here DaveE. That is why I am an Orthodox Christian. It is the closest to the real deal. There are many Apocrypha’s and “other” texts that seem to surface now and Duff mentions them. I am on the fence about those texts. Some may be illuminating, but as we say now days, some may be disinfo and being pushed in contemporary times for obvious reasons. Some were banished for good reasons, and some for bad ones. I am not an expert but I stay away from them in general (I am quite familiar with most of them, but do not hold creed in them for the very reasons above). The Vatican is Satan’s lair. Ratzinger is a Satanist, a Homosexual and a Nazi. If this is your Church you are in trouble. The Orthodox Church is not perfect but neither is man. I stick with love and tolerance. The Luciferian Jews (Babylonian Black Magick) are deep in the Kabal of Rothschilds War Machine: Dope, Pedophilia, Guns, Diamonds, Gold, Death and Human Sacrifice, Hollywood, Media and Mind Control. I find peace in the Russian Orthodox Church as I am Russian. I am not an anti-semite but know what a Matryona Doll that Culture has become being enmeshed with Luciferian Zionism. Very complicated at this point. Dimitri Khalezov has a good comment on this after one of his recent articles. Hard to follow but I think he is close to explaining the Jewish Mafia in Russia. A good read. Find it.
    XPICTOC BOCKPECIE
    t.

  67. namastemperfi  May 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    DaveE, When I quoted Rama Krishna, he was not talking about religion, he was talking about every single human heart being an avenue to Divine realization. Indeed he professed, quite clearly, as have many other enlightened teachers, that there is no need for religion, just inquiry. Many “Hindu” teachers in fact, define Hinduism simply as people who are committed to non-violence, meditate, and believe that God exists in everyone and everything. What comes next, even a conviction to Christ or Mohamed, is up to you. As Gordon points out in the article, the enlightened avoid religion in concept and in practice and offer only a means to experience the student’s own Divine nature. My first such teacher, who was a powerhouse of enlightened energy, refused to write down any kind of teaching as he would not allow it to be turned into a religious path. He refused to be pinned down in an ashram. He avoided teaching to the crowd. He refused to take money. He stayed true to the idea that each soul was Divine and would show its way uniquely to each person as each person’s experience is different. Freedom is the essence of enlightened teaching. Satanic Cabalists, per Fr Martin and others, give up their souls for power. They choose to be enslaved to their demons, and as such can only seek to enslave and destroy others. What kind of power have they really achieved? None, as everything in life but God is illusory and temporary. N

  68. truthman  May 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    PS… Terribly mis-named article. “Ain’t Nobody Gonna Like This”????? Wow… look how many of us are in tune with exactly what you’re saying, Gordon. It is comforting to me and I hope to you, as well. Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the man with the great white beard in the sky are all one and the same. Sure, I have my soul and my heart and my intellect and my own peace with all of these lies, but what I do not have is an explanation for why they (the lies) were needed in the first place. This is reason for my discontent. It seems that those in control are not “like” me at all. I used to use the excuse that “I had evolved” but now that excuse rings rather hollow. What human being could be SO shallow as to drop a bomb on innocents and murder 500,000? Whomever that was is not “like” me. Not by a long shot.

    Peace on you!

    Peace on you!

  69. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Believing in the absence of God is every bit as much a belief system or ideology as believing in God, aka a “religion”. I know plenty of atheists who are every bit as arrogant and condescending as any “religious” fanatic, as well.

  70. truthman  May 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Hey Dave, BRAVO! That comment is so well articulated, I’m in awe. That is why I love this site so, SO, much. The Duffster is a trip, but the comments section always connects to even MORE great truth. Your comment is such a fine example. Thank you for contributing, again.

    Peace on you.

  71. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    What’s up moderator?

  72. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Atheism is not a religion. It simply means without god. Thats all.

    Peace be upon us,
    Infidel

  73. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Right on! There are as many RELIGIONS as there are people. That includes atheists, also a religion. Try getting ANY two people to agree about everything relating to the Divine or unknowable. Just not possible, nor will it ever be.

  74. Gerry  May 3, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Only if I wear my Romney for POTUS shirt 🙂

  75. Gary Walker  May 3, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “The attraction is there, the denial of death, eternal life, seeing long lost dead friends, pets, getting back your old car …”

    Gordon, you have given me hope that I will see my old Wonder Bread truck that I had in college. I will sleep so well tonight (after my therapeudic sick pack of Bud of course). In the name of the father, the sun, and the truck of life, thank you.

    Peace be upon us,
    Infidel

  76. namastemperfi  May 3, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    I like it, a lot actually. And Mike Kay is right that there is a big difference between religions that require you to accept an intermediary authority between yourself and God and the essential spiritual reality that exists within everyone if you chose to go there. Christ never taught the need for an intermediary. In the Gospel of Thomas he taught the opposite. Every teaching of a Cabal hijacked or created religion teaches that you are shit without some form of church and approving authority. You are born worthless and will go to hell if you don’t obey them and pay them for life. They have taught against, as sin, suppressed, or marginalized every method or technique that would give you an internal awareness of the Divine within you. They have systematically exterminated the spiritual leaders and teachers of every indigenous culture as threats to their power because the common thread taught in these cultures is to experience nature and man as united in one Spirit — to know the Divine within you. I could go on and get into the theoretical quantum physics of God, but instead will close by paraphrasing the Hindu Saint Rama Krishna who contrary to the Cabalist religions’ credo of “our way or the highway to hell” said, “There are as many ways to Heaven as there are people”. N

  77. namastemperfi  May 3, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    every method or technique that would give you an internal awareness of the Divine within you. They have systematically exterminated the spiritual leaders and teachers of every indigenous culture as threats to their power because the common thread taught in these cultures is to experience nature and man as united in one Spirit — to know the Divine within you. I could go on and get into the theoretical quantum physics of God, but instead will cloI like it, a lot actually. And Mike Kay is right that there is a big difference between religions that require you to accept an intermediary authority between yourself and God and the essential spiritual reality that exists within everyone if you chose to go there. Christ never taught the need for an intermediary. In the Gospel of Thomas he taught the opposite. Every teaching of a Cabal hijacked or created religion teaches that you are shit without some form of church and approving authority. You are born worthless and will go to hell if you don’t obey them and pay them for life. They have taught against, as sin, suppressed, or marginalized se by paraphrasing the Hindu Saint Rama Krishna who contrary to the Cabalist religions’ credo of “our way or the highway to hell” said, “There are as many ways to Heaven as there are people”. N

  78. cascadedavid  May 3, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Are you still allowed in Safeway?

  79. DaveE  May 3, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Like it or not, religions are ideologies that define people and define history. Arguing about the history of ideologies is like dancing about architecture (I think it was Frank Zappa who put it that way), a total waste of time.

    If you want to talk about the various ideologies and how THEY have influenced history, that may be worthwhile. It is, however, the antithesis of talking about how history influenced an ideology, which is unknowable and a complete waste of time.

    One could do a little comparative study of the ideologies of Judaism and Christianity, for example. If so, one discovers they are near polar opposites, at least if you define Christianity by what little we know of Christ and his teachings.

    Christ taught peace (turn the other cheek) while Judaism teaches vengeance (an eye for an eye). Christ taught anti-materialism (give a man your coat) while Judaism teaches materialism. (Solomon’s gold, about 2,000 other examples) Christ taught humility and compassion (that which you do to the smallest among us, you do to me, also) while Judaism teaches about a “G_d” of animal sacrifice and even human sacrifice (Abraham’s son, for example). Christ taught simple universal truth (do unto others), while Judaism teaches endless rules, regulation and rituals, enough to make your brain hurt. Christ taught ONE commandment, Judaism, hundreds if not thousands or commandments. Christ taught one-ness with your fellow man, Judaism, chosen-ness. Christ taught reincarnation (John the Baptist being the reincarnation of Elijah) while Judaism teaches punishment for almost anything. I could go on, but you get the idea.

    I admit, Christianity has become almost as lost and deranged as Judaism, largely because of Christians’ insistence on legitimizing the Old Testament with idiotic notions like original sin, the “Holy” Trinity, Christians being the “new” chosen ones, Creationism, the “rapture” (based on Daniel), things like that.

    These have NOTHING to do with anything Christ taught, though one could easily show how these false ideologies have influenced history. (Not in a good way, unfortunately.)

    Conflating an ideology with history is a great way to discredit the ideology, however. Maybe it’s time to forget about the history and all the cultural baggage and start over, like Buddha did with Hinduism.

    That would be progress, IMHO.

  80. Mike  May 3, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Why hasn’t anyone parted any Seas or bodies of water recently? How did Noah stop the Lions and Tigers from eating all of the other animals? Did he have any Dalmations on board? Was Bigfoot on the ship?
    How about the Yetti? Like the douchebag Bill Maher says : ” God is an imaginary friend for adults”
    Thank you for another great article Mr. G.(Hunter S.) Duff.

  81. Mike Kay  May 3, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Mr. Duff,
    From my own research, I can say that your brief on Christian history is largely correct, however enclaves of religious tolerance did thrive throughout the centuries. We have various accounts of Tyre, for instance, that suggest that adherents of all three institutionalized religions-Judaism, Christianity, and Islam tolerated each other, and accepted their presence. This during the renaissance of Islam.
    However, I do think that we are making a mistake when we treat religion and spirituality as two words for the same thing. I personally find there is a place within religion where spirituality can take root, but religion itself is an external, ritual and dogma oriented structure, while spirituality is an internal, personal living state. There can be a sense of religion becoming spiritual, of one moving past oneself. But there is never a sense of the spiritual ever acting as a religion-not while staying pure and authentic.
    It is most likely correct to call upon those who claim divine rights, and to unfold before them the truth, and say-ok, pal, now what do you have to say for yourself!
    However, for those such as myself, there is also another form of truth-the numinous. Some, lacking words, have tried to explain it as the mythic mind, where standard logic and left brain dominance yield.
    Its impossible to address this, and ignore Evil.
    What if the path of evil is simply the path of spirituality perverted?

  82. Gerry  May 3, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    I actualy got thrown out of the Tabernacle in 1980 when a mentor of mine kept interrupting a presentation about the origins of Mormomism with the question “Where are the golden tablets now”. Needless to say it was not appreciated by the priest class.

  83. Gordon Duff  May 3, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I have the tablets of Joseph Smith in my garage.

  84. Gerry  May 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Blasphemy! Heresy! May you boil in semen for eternity 😉

    The Nazarene was an Essene and probably preached the tenants of Hinduism, Like peace, harmony, reincarnation and eternal spirit. Ideals learned during his 30 missing years wandering about the Far East. The whole myth of the virgin birth at Christmas in a manger visited by Magi, the crucifixion, the resurrection was all lifted from the worship of the aptly named Mythras. A religion of oligarchic control originating about 600 BC in the exact same location the Vatican sits today. If you take the Catholic Iconic symbolism back even further you’ll find astounding similarities going all the way back to the Pharos, centering coincidently around the supposed tales of Moses ( A Pharonic era Egyptian name akin to Smith these days), The fantasy Exodus, the burning pot plant on the mountain and the golden calf the unenlightened worshipped. All masterfully used to draw more blood and wealth from the flock for 6500 years. Too bad due to the internet, forbidden archeology is now becoming common knowledge to those who dare seek it. This is always what sinks the effort to control the masses by the 1%. Even their own best efforts backfire like the Mormon attempt to quantify Joseph Smith’s delusions about Jesus and Lucifer by DNA analyses. Unfortunately this is not the first time humans have reached this conundrum, and it will not be the last before the truth finally sets us free!

  85. Aletheia  May 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Thanks a lot Mr. Duff, this kid is grateful. I’m learning a lot, and growing. I don’t have any plans to stop learning, seek education and pursue Truth even when it hurts or means a shiff of paradigms. I admit, I have failed in some instances.

    May God bless you and your family and all of VT’s teams. You do a great job, I believe in. You have my support.

  86. truthman  May 3, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Write on, G! Knowledge is power and we’re supposed to believe that God told Adam NOT to eat the fruit from the tree of it? The day that realization hit me was the day I ran away from organized religion forever. No regrets, whatsoever. Furthermore, it was like the “gateway” drug to other far more historical truths and realizations, such as the journey you are going through. Thanks for taking us along. Peace.

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