On July 11th  Lester Holt will be interviewing  many people that are involved with some of this nations  “secrets”  many of them from the Cold War past and many of them from the out right bizarre  “the aliens at Area 51” and the debunking of that myth and many other of the so called  X Files.

As many of us know  there is some truth to the X Files, but Hollywood has turned truth into fiction and fiction into truth, to the point where the lines are now so blurred even those of us who were involved in some of the programs have a hard time knowing what is the truth and what is fiction.

I spent a 60 day Temporary Duty Assignment (TDY)  at Edgewood Arsenal from 25 June 1974 thru 22 August 1974, like the other 7119 other volunteers I was lied to in order to get us to “volunteer” for the TDY,  we were told the experiments were on future equipment for the battlefields of the future, protective masks, uniforms, weapons  etc, exciting stuff for low ranking enlisted people, we were promised extra pay, no normal duties that privates normally did like KP, guard duty etc we would only work 4 day weeks  Mon thru Thur  from 0800 – 1200 hours daily unless an experiments caused us to be  kept on base overnight or in extreme cases for a few days, but that we would never work  Friday, Saturday or Sundays.

The experiments were considered do important that we would be given awards such as the Soldiers Medal and the Army Commendation Medals which would give us extra promotion points for all future promotions, as we all know  medals and letters of commendation come into play for all promotion boards, so for those that were considering making the military a career, it was quite an enhancement. Plus for the final persuasion we were told that we would all be allowed POV travel from Fort Lewis, Wa  to Edgewood Arsenal which would pay us  per diem and mileage  for the nine day travel  both ways. So instead of a 60 day TDY it basically turned into 80 days the entire summer out of field excercises, which was a real enticement for an infantryman.

In comparison the British Military of Defense (MOD) told their volunteers for the similar program at Porton Downs that they were researching the cure for the common cold.

Here is the link to a website about the broadcast

Alien body parts… powerful religious artifacts… UFO wreckage… what exactly is hidden behind heavily guarded doors? Inspired by Syfy’s hit series, Warehouse 13, NBC News award-winning journalist Lester Holt goes on a global expedition to uncover the truth behind the world’s top secret, mysterious warehouses where super-classified objects are kept.

In Inside Secret Government Warehouses: Shocking Revelations, premiering on Syfy Sunday, July 11, at 9PM (ET/PT), Holt capitalizes on exclusive access to restricted sites, traveling from Area 51 in Nevada to deep inside the Vatican secret archives — the centerpiece of Dan Brown’s Angels and Demons — interviewing informants, Washington decision-makers, former top military personnel and leading experts.

Among the explosive findings:

A mandible thought to be not of this world — potential evidence that alien life was hidden by the United States government at Wright-Patterson Air Force base.

High level informant who describes huge underground tunnels beneath military installations.

Victims (including former U.S. military personnel) of unauthorized government experimentation.

A former US Air Force pilot ordered to shoot down a UFO in England.

Experts interviewed for the show include:

John Podesta, Former Chief of Staff for President Bill Clinton and CEO, Center for American Progress

Michio Kaku, world renowned theoretical physicist.

Paul Levinson, author of 15 books and professor of Communication and Media Studies at Fordham University.

Hank Albarelli Jr., author of A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the C.I.A.’s Secret Cold War Experiments.

Katherine Olmsted, Professor of History at UC Davis.

Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio 3rd District (covers Wright-Patterson)

Luca Carboni, General Secretary, Vatican Secret Archives

Shara Bailey, Dental Anthropologist, New York University

Eleanor Herman, Author, Mistress of the Vatican

Robert Collins, Ret. U.S Air Force Captain

Jonathan Turley, Law Professor, George Washington University

Glenn Campbell, Area 51 Expert

There are a lot of serious people involved in this program so that makes me think that this is not a “tin foil hat” presentation, people like John Podesta, Jonathon Turley,  Hank Albarelli Jr  and Katharine Olmsted are some pretty serious people, and I don’t see them trashing that for conspiracy theory  shows, maybe these people are really unlocking the doors so some of the truth can be told.

I am one of the  “Victims (including former U.S. military personnel) of unauthorized government experimentation”  I have written extensively about my use in the “med vol program” at Edgewood Arsenal, I have never claimed to be used in “secret unknown experiments” I have always stated that I was used in the well known and investigated human experimentation that was done by the Army at Edgewood Arsenal   from 1940 thru 1975. I was used in the Cold War part of the experiments where they used 7120 men, at Fort Detrick they used 2100 men in biological experiments, at  Dugway they used in all projects  based out of Deseret Test Center which included Dugway, SHAD/112 and operation at Fort Greeley in all about 6000 more personnel, in all not counting the nuclear experiments  the government used about 20,000 men and women in  known  Chemical, Biological and drug experiments.

In most cases the government failed to even provide a budget to do follow up medical studies of these soldiers, let alone ever admit they may have actually harmed them.  The last know medical study was done to show veterans of the first Gulf War that their exposure to low levels of sarin agents was safe, they used the Edgewood veterans as the control group as we were the only know exposed soldiers the US had access to, the trouble was they could not find enough survivors to actually do a comprehensive study, what did amaze me though, the DOD and the IOM ignored  the low level exposures to mustard agents despite the fact they knew mustard agents were also present at Kamiasyah Iraq on March 19, 1991 when the Army destroyed the Iraqi ammo dumps that contained the Sarin weapons they had been concerned about enough to commission the IOM March 2003 sarin study.

Why were they not worried about mustard agents?  When President Bush and VP Cheney and Sec of Defense Rumsfeld declared war on Iraq in March 2003  one of their claims was that Iraq had  Mustard agent filled weapons, rockets, artillery shells, etc,  did they ignore the Gulf War veterans of 1991  being exposed to mustard agents  due to the high cost of the KNOWN disabilities the VA and DOD would have to be forced to deal with?

There are some pretty well known statistics  that stick out to veterans, WW1, WW2, Korean and Vietnam war veterans all average about a 9% disability rate, the first Gulf War however has a 25% disability rate, why?

I am almost 55, I have been totally disabled since June 2002 and I am really accustomed to being lied to by DOD, the VA, I am dying, I don’t expect to ever hear the truth from the government, but maybe people like Lester Holt, Hank Alberelli Jr,  Jonathon Turley, maybe even President Obama  might ask  that some files be opened and the truth be told to the veterans and their widows, and the the “PROMISES” be kept.

They can keep the medals they mean nothing at this point, 35 years ago they would have meant something  even the silly ARCOM, but these 20,000 men and women did risk their own lives to produce better protective masks, chemical suits, antidotes all the things to save lives, they put their lives at risk to save others, the criteria for being awarded a Soldiers medal in peacetime.  DOD did award medals to civilians for doing these experiments to the soldiers, so why weren’t the soldiers  given the medals the recruiters promised them after risking their lives? Would it have meant that the Army would have admitted to putting enlisted soldiers lives at risk in experiments that were supposed to be “safe”?

Watch the show on SyFy on July 11, 2010 and maybe we all will learn some things about our nation we didn’t think they were capable of.

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  1. See No Evil  July 23, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I dunno about every other prior military personell but I recall being sat down with someone from the JAG office during my outprocessing and that person going over certain TDA/TDY & events and explaining that to talk about these items would be a violation of national security blah blah blah…

    If others had such a debriefing then I would reckon they are holding their toungue out of more than just a code of honor, but fear of legal reprisal.

    You gotta love how the military can black line your shot records and medical history. My civiliam dr. was almost afraid to exam me! lol

  2. Dan Freeman  July 13, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Mr. Freeman,
    This email is to notify you that the ESOH Service Center has concluded its investigation of your request. 
    Unfortunately, even after exhausting all available resources we were unable to locate any toxicology reports regarding the specific JP-7 mixture used by the SR-71.  In addition we could not find any reports on SR-71 worker exposures to JP-7.  Furthermore there are no available health studies on SR-71 workers following the program’s closure.    
     Based on these findings the ESOH Service Center is closing your request.  Should you require further assistance you may contact the appropriate FOIA representative for information on how to submit a official request. A listing of FOIA POCs can be found at
    Raymond N. Dickes III
    ESOH Service Center
    Brooks City-Base, TX 78235

    Seems a bit odd that the Air Force can’t find out what’s in the fuel they use. Try checking out the X51-A program. The news release from Wright Patterson says the X-51A uses the same JP-7 fuel.

    I watched a program on TV last night called Inside “Secret Government Warehouses” towards the end of the program TV news investigator Lester Halt rehashed the toxic exposures to workers at AREA 51 back in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s.

    There was a law suit to discover what made these workers so sick and in some cases die. The government and the president would not release any data on it.

    The workers stated they burned stealth materials in large pits using old jet fuel. Well did anyone stop to think that this old jet fuel may have been left over from the Blackbirds and contained cesium and that’s what made them sick?

    If anyone is interested here are some other links that may help you.

    The first one is a CIA FOIA, document titled, “History of the OXCART Program” Written by Kelly Johnson, the Aircraft designer and the Director of Lockheed Skunk Works. Look at the bottom of page 4 and the top of page 9.

  3. Mike Bailey  July 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Texas Vet these make interesting reading

    Vietnam Veterans of America, et al. v. Central Intelligence Agency, et al.
    Case No. CV-09-0037-CW, U.S.D.C. (N.D. Cal. 2009)

    What This Case Is About

    Plaintiffs seek declaratory and injunctive relief only – no monetary damages – and Plaintiffs seek redress for 25 years of diabolical experiments followed by over 30 years of neglect, including:

    the use of troops to test nerve gas, psychochemicals, and thousands of other toxic chemical or biological substances and perhaps most gruesomely, the insertion of septal implants in the brains of subjects in a ghastly series of mind control experiments that went awry;

    the failures to secure informed consent and other widespread failures to follow the precepts of U.S. and international law regarding the use of human subjects, including the 1953 Wilson Directive and the Nuremberg Code;
    an almost fanatical refusal to satisfy their legal and moral obligations to locate the victims of their gruesome experiments or to provide health care or compensation to them;

    the deliberate destruction of evidence and files documenting their illegal actions, actions which were punctuated by fraud, deception, and a callous disregard for the value of human life.

    The Complaint asks the Court to determine that Defendants’ actions were illegal and that Defendants have a duty to notify all victims and to provide them with health care going forward.

    then this was written by one of the Army doctors who worked at Edgewood for the majority of his Army Career he had a 55 gallon drum that was filled with glass jars that held 2 pounds each of LSD 25, he never bothered to ask who took it from his office or what they did with it, yea sure…..and he didn’t remember the CIA guys who came to EA to speak with Van Sim or Siddell or the Army Commander in charge of the labs, or the SOD people from Fort Detrick who controlled the experiments. He obviously made Colonel by keeping his eyes, ear and mouth shut

    Written by the physician who played a pivotal role in the psychoactive drug testing of hundreds of volunteers, the story breaks an official silence that has lasted almost fifty years. Dr. James Ketchum may be the only scientist still equal to the task. His book goes a long way toward revealing the contents of once classified documents that still reside in restricted archives.

    The author spent most of a decade testing over a dozen potential incapacitating agents including, LSD, BZ and marijuana derivatives. His 380-page narrative, is loaded with both old and recent photographs, and derives from technical reports, memoranda, films, notes and memories. The book is written primarily for the general reader, but is supplemented by a voluminous appendix of graphs and tables for the technically inclined. Dr. Ketchum’s book combines a subjective diary with an objective report of the external events that shaped and eventually terminated the program. Informal and autobiographical in style, it includes numerous amusing anecdotes and personality portraits that make it simultaneously intriguing and informative.

  4. Mike Bailey  July 3, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    to each his own my step father flew many of the above ground data flights above the Nevada Test site, he spent decades never talking about it even during his cancer operations, the RECA act was approved the year he died he had 3 kinds of cancers that were on the presumptive list he wouldn’t even file a VA claim because it would have required him to speak about the nuclear experiments.

    The lies the CIA and the Army did to Congress, the Chain of Command and the lies the current Sec of defense and the past ones have done are inexcusable using the Feres Doctrine to justify using soldiers as lab rats, and then using state secrets to keep from having to tell the truth about the experimenst they did 50 years ago is just so much BS I don’t care about security clearances and what people think they are protecting but what about the disabled veterans and the widows and the kids that can not get the benefits they should be netitled to if the truth was told? what about the “PROMISE”? Like Colin Powell stated if they broke it they bought it fine don’t tell the truth but accept responsibility for the men used in the “classified programs” and award them presumptive medical conditions for everything then since the govt does not want to get into what or wasn’t used, that works for me, but the veterans and their families deserve the benefits

    you can be a confirmed skeptic of the tellers I kind of resent being lied to in order to get me to volunteer and then to be lied to by DOD and the the Army and the VA for the past decade my favorite lie was the Army Colonel who stated many soldiers felt they were used in “secret” experiments when they never were. that one was cute except like I stated I never claimed to be used in a “secret test” I was used in a known program that has been investigated many time most of the time under the name MKULTRA hardly a secret anymore is it?

    • Texas Vet  July 3, 2010 at 11:36 pm

      Again, like MK, you have a good point. But let me tell you my experience which correlates some with yours. The bureaucrats say “prove it.” The DOD refuses to release records for various reasons — many known only to them. We were kids in the 50s, 60s and 70s era. Did YOU keep daily journals backed up by Company and Division records? I didn’t and it never occurred to me that anyone–especially my government–would care to lie about them. As a kid, I had no idea it was a numbers game, and that we as young people were set up to be losers.

      I believe we still are set up to be losers in the game. The so-called elitists think we Americans are fools. We’ll see in the end game.

      Anyway, good post.


  5. Texas Vet  July 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    For decades, I’ve had the highest levels of security clearance. I and others like me would never break that oath and so much weirdness that went with it. So, I’m sorry to say, I’ll watch the made-up program as a CONFIRMED SKEPTIC of the tellers.

    T.V., Electrical Engineer, Physicist and Mathematician, First Cav Vet

    • MK  July 3, 2010 at 3:44 pm

      This “I swore an oath” and so I am keeping an ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL SECRET does cut the mustard with me. What is the point of having a sense of honor about something that ultimately destroys the very liberties that soldiers die to defend? There are programs funded by the DoD and DARPA that have nothing to do with the country’s security. Those programs do have a lot to do with the security of certain families and officeholders.

      It is time to expose the lies and begin to return to the original documents upon which this country was founded. Our founding fathers did not want a standing military precisely because they saw what such foolishness did to Europe. They definitely would never have permitted experimentation on naive young men and women for the benefit of corporations.


    • SPKTRUTH  July 4, 2010 at 4:01 pm

      I couldnt agree more. Its time this “oath crap”,which is nothing but keeping the secrets from the people is exposed. If you believe in the Consitution and the Founding Fathers than you know its all about we the people. Its not about “the military” and my country right or wrong! When we are right thats great, when we are wrong it must be opposed so our sons/daughters dont end up falling for the same lame line and having their lives and their families lives destroyed. We know now if you looked at the videos on “when terrorism started” it started in Israel with the ERGUN and the hotel. 91 people blown up by the Israelie zionist terrorists many of whom went on to become leaders of the zionists.

      Fascism is all about keeping secrets from the people.

    • Dan Freeman  July 13, 2010 at 9:48 am

      The workers stated they burned stealth materials in large pits using old jet fuel. Well did anyone stop to think that this old jet fuel may have been left over from the Blackbirds and contained cesium and that’s what made them sick?

      The first one is a CIA FOIA, document titled, “History of the OXCART Program” Written by Kelly Johnson, the Aircraft designer and the Director of Lockheed Skunk Works. Look at the bottom of page 4 and the top of page 9.

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