screenhunter_12_oct._21_16.01_150AMERICA WON TERROR WAR IN 2001 


By Gordon Duff and Raja Mujtaba STAFF WRITERS

Osama bin Laden died during or immediately after the Tora Bora attack in December 2001.  The cause is believed to have been wounds complicated by advanced kidney disease.  This fact is universally accepted in Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere in the Islamic world.

It has now reached the point in Pakistan that whenever an Osama bin Laden tape is on television, people roll around the floor laughing themselves to death.  This has been verified through the highest levels of Pakistan’s military and intelligence services who have confirmed that, not only has Bin Laden been dead for years but the United States has known and accepted this fact, a fact well known to our political, intelligence and military leaders, since well before the invasion of Iraq and confirmed by sources active in FBI counter-terrorism at that time.


Why would President Bush, then sporting a 95% approval rating, have traded a huge American win to justify another war in Iraq, a war now proven unneeded?  How much was gained by keeping a focus on bin Laden, who had denied any involvement in 9/11, when no other real enemy existed?  Think Patriot Acts, rendition, wire tapping, oil and defense profiteering, convenient election time bin Laden threats and much more.   

Osama Bin Laden Dead December 2001 Tora Bora by U.S. Armed ForcesBrilliant and highly successful military operations by American soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, soldiers who have felt the sting of humilitation and failure for years, brought about the "escape" of bin Laden, never received deserved honors and thanks.  Instead, our troops were blamed for ineptness, incompetence and worse for reasons that were entirely political. 

It was more important for the administration to have a "boogeyman" to bring out to "frighten the children" than to thank our troops or even claim a real success which would have bolstered the popularity of President Bush and relieved the fears of millions of Americans.

When Bush’s popularity plummeted, eventually nearing and below 20%, and the continual threats of terror war had grown tiresome, bin Laden, dead to the Islamic world for years, could not be miraculously resurrected to die again on cue.  After the phony intelligence fiasco of the Iraq war, the credibility for such theatre no longer existed. Thus, thousands of Americans continue to hunt a denizen of the spirt world, some giving their lives in this meaningless endeavor. 

Questioning those of the Islamic world who knew Osama bin Laden as a leader in the fight to expell Russia from Afghanistan and the millions who admired his courage, some things quickly become apparent.

  • Few in the Islamic world believe Al Qaeda existed then or exists now.  Arab fighters in Waziristan, center of the Pakistan based war, are few in number and claim no allegiance to a mysterious worldwide terror organization run by a ghost.
  • By 2002 70% of the Islamic world believed bin Laden to be dead with numbers going to 85% a year later and only a few "conspriacy nuts" now believe him to be alive.  Yes, Islam has them also.
  • Muslims are shocked at how easily Americans can be misinformed and find amazement every time a bin Laden report comes out.  They equate reports of bin Laden sightings as having the same credibility as continual reports of Elvis seen in American tabloids.
  • Muslims see Israel as being responsible for the mysterious resurrection of long dead bin Laden whose ghost campaigned for George W Bush in the 2004 election.  It is their belief that, although bin Laden may have been very angry at the American government, he would never have wished such a thing on the American people.  The Koran would have forbidden it.

America’s war on terror has been based on convincing the American people of a lie, not just the lie that bin Laden is alive and leading our enemies, but that the Islamic world believes bin Laden is alive.  That the Islamic world has long believed bin Laden dead is fact, not conjecture.

If everyone who would potentially support Osama bin Laden believes he is dead, what does this tell us?  This part is fact.  Thus, he has no subordinants, no followers, no networks, nothing.  American policy is entirely based on lying to the American people, not that bin Laden is alive but that Islam believes him to be alive and that millions are following him.

Nobody is following bin Laden, anyone claiming this would be locked in a lunatic asylum.  It would be prettymuch the same as saying you are Napoleon or believe in the Easter Bunny.

It isn’t necessary for anyone to prove 9/11 was an inside job or that we invented Al Qaeda to pass crazy laws at home and send our military on a worldwide quest for oil.  All we know is that one lie, a massive lie, can be proven.  America has been lied to about something so important that it would have changed world histroy and saved thousands of lives.

We know why the lie was told.  We know the Pentagon, the CIA and our press had to be involved.  We know the lie is still being told, a lie that has made America the laughing stock of the world.  After bin Laden’s death, America became a different country. 

Because Americans were told he lived and was trying to destroy us, we passed laws giving up freedoms.  Because we were told he lived, we spent hundreds of billions of dollars fighting someone who didn’t exist, giving up our standard of living, our jobs and pushing our nation into bankruptcy.  Because we were told he lived, we gave up the lives of thousands of our sons and daughters and destroyed the lives of countless thousands of others.

Congratulations, belatedly, President Bush.  The mission was accomplished, long before you even claimed it was.  The terrorists in Afghanistan were destroyed, their leader was killed and it was all over.  We had won. 

We could have claimed victory and stopped that day.  America would have been safer, richer and better for it.  Every disaster since then was based on one lie.  Even a child could piece it all together. 

(An interesting additional read on this subject related to a book by Professor David Griffin can be viewed at this British site:–U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html)

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55 Responses to "BIN LADEN DEAD FOR YEARS"

  1. HappyVet  October 25, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    There you go again, Dumpster…er, I mean, Duffster. Sorry about that. Anyways, thanks for proving Michael’s point. You have become drunk on your own Koolaid, trashing anyone who disagrees because you are the only one who could possibly be right about anything. Your self-absorbed ignorance is astounding. Write on, Michael. Write on!!

  2. HappyVet  October 25, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Oh Duffster, how long it’s been… My blood pressure had been up of late (thanks to ObamaCare) and I needed a good laugh to bring it down. Duffster, you never fail to disappoint. While I agree it’s likely OBL has been dead for years, your constant rambling about the boogerman that’s out to get all vets is humorous to say the least. Even funnier is the swallow-whole attitude of the other conspiracy freaks who follow you. Al Quaeda doesn’t exist? Seriously?? So those guys who shot at me were all just a buch of leaderless goat herders out for a Sunday stroll? The bought their weapons at the Sunday flea market, too, I bet. You are truly a moronic rambling fool who needs an honest job that contributes to the public whole. Your incessant voyages into the conspiracy black hole really need to stop. You’re the one who needs medication to help wih that paranoia. (Shhhhh…..Don’t look now, but the FBI is video taping you from that wall socket to your left) I would suggest you go to work at the VA and do something that really helps vets (you know, like working some of those backlogged claims you’re always ranting about). Or even better, you could expose them from the inside out!! Yeah, that would be cool. But wait, that would just take you away from the sheep who need you to lead them off the cliff…

  3. duffster  October 23, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    WE could debate that one.  The real issue would be how this would have effected the post war environment.


  4. duffster  October 23, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Leaks..misdirection..i am not sure…claim that bin laden was a cia asset on 9/11.

    your guess is as good as mine


    as for dead…no shit


  5. Raja Mujtaba  October 23, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Brian, for Pakistanis, Osama opera has lost its charm, long long ago. Now maybe a new serial is required. Some new actors need to be inducterd and a better and more profesional director.

  6. Zainab Javed  October 23, 2009 at 10:33 am

    He must be dead… or was he there from the beginning? The whole Osama-Sep 11 story looks like a fiction.

  7. Bob Higgins  October 23, 2009 at 8:53 am

    They only do "monkey bar" training in Afghanistan; no flight simulators.

  8. duffster  October 23, 2009 at 1:10 am

    I am aware of unconfirmed rumors of bin laden receiving health care in 1999 with American aid.

    What is confirmed is that 30 attended his funeral at Tora Bora and the level of his health care prior to his death was similar to that of military veterans in the US.

    Thus, he died, perhaps waiting for the VA to process his paperwork.


  9. duffster  October 23, 2009 at 1:07 am


    If hitler had died in 1934, some Americans would have hired a double and had him declare war on the US.


  10. Simon A  October 22, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Maybe when Osama died it was the day “THEY stop listening, but started watching”. You might ask yourself who is THEY? They are the ones who take away from veterans to feed the greed of so many appointees who know very little about the needs of veterans. We know that Lynch vs. US resulted in the courts that retirees were not entitled to free healthcare as promised by their recruiter, however the government admits to using this approach to encourage enlistment and retention in the ranks. The government claimed that there was no contractual agreement between the parties. Imagine that, one day we are soldier, and then veterans and now we are parties? How hypocritical? One thing that the courts did not consider was, “what was the healthcare obligation of the government to wounded veterans”? Surely, there must be some contractual agreement when you are wounded. I do not believe that this has been challenged in the courts. Has anyone ask the president? Or we still obligated to pay for licking our wounds? As for Osama he probably had the best healthcare than we did as veterans. Good grief, Charlie Brown!

  11. SMajGrotto  October 22, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    What in the wide world of sports does your rambling have to do with the article about the death or possible death of Osama?? You have major problems. Put your pre WWI uniform away and read some intelligent material.

  12. Steve  October 22, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    As a part time prof of military history, there is no way do I believe that if Hitler had been killed say in 1944, would the war have ended. In fact, we might have had a tougher time. Germany did have some very sharp generals, not just Romel.

  13. plj4all  October 22, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Since Bin Ladden was in a hospital in Dubai prior to 9/11 for kidney dialasis it is likely that he was chosen to be the 9/11 boogy man for this reason. They knew he would die soon so why not blame him. Always blame the dead guy, he can’t speak for himself. The Bushes and Bin Laddens go way back as “business partners” in league together. This was probably planned with the family’s permission, of course. Deals were struck to get the family safely out of the country ( remember the special flight?), etc.
    Thanks to Veterans Today for publishing this stuff!

  14. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Brian is a player.

  15. Brian  October 22, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    I wonder if Pakistanis will be treated to hilarious phony Osama tapes until the dead Osama hits the age of 100. That mountain air is good for failed kidneys. Perhaps he will be seen on a video tape wearing an ascot while browsing at a haberdashery shop in Karachi.

    By the way, it seems the Afghanistan war had more to do with the TAPI pipeline than the former CIA asset Osama bin Laden aka Tim Osmond.

  16. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    exactly right

    also…the FBI lists bin Laden as probably deceased.

    Their CT folks list him…dead and gone….don’t bother looking.

    from the horses mouth



  17. Brian  October 22, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    If you go to the FBI’s website you will see that Osama bin Laden is wanted for a couple of crimes (flimsy evidence) but not the 911 attacks. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page (30), [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” Obviously the FBI realizes the widely viewed confession tape of Osama bin Laden is phony.

  18. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Wait for Petraeus to say something or do something.  Thus far, he seems silently waiting for others to self destruct so we can have a figurehead military president again.

    Ike 2.

    Petraeus is a good second stringer..brought out only after everyone else screwed up…many years later…


  19. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Actually, I think I saw bin Laden, working in a Burger King in Kalamazoo, Michigan.


  20. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    The world media had this many years ago

    Our corporate media is waiting for ok from…..dare i say it?


  21. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Failing to recognize the army chief of intel is odd.

    I will lend you my glasses.


  22. Joe  October 22, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Mmm. GEN Petreus … 3rd stringer. yeah, that makes sense.

  23. Skimo  October 22, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    You are correct. If bin laden were alive, he would be dancing down the aisle at Wal-Mart and filming it for CNN. Anyone who thinks he is alive probably got the information from Elvis.

  24. Robert Ryan  October 22, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    report on 9/11 and Bin Laden Dead or not. Who can prove he is dead or not, As far as the patriotquestion9/, the only two people I see reputable are Jesse Ventura, and Ed Asner. THe rest are very questionable ,gang bangers, rappers with their gan signs, come one who really cares what they think, they have no basis for thier comments. If there is a coverup, and it is still going on, then I agree BUSH, and the current Administration need to be prosecuted for Treason. I don’t know about tall this polictical junk, all I know is that on 9/11 2001, over 3,000 people died as a result of the attack, and now men and women in unifrom are doing their duty. Our armed forces responded to what the eleceted governemnt ordered. We all know that soldiers, airmen, marines, coastguardmen, are not machines, but we also know that they might not agree with polictical descisons, but they perform there duties inspite of this. If Bin Laden is dead, then we need to end these wars quickly and effeciently. I for one am tired of the polictical lies, that have cost the lives of men and women.

  25. Treto  October 22, 2009 at 11:41 am

    W O W! How long will it take the media to inform America?

  26. Annie  October 22, 2009 at 11:27 am

    “Brilliant and highly successful military operations by American soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, soldiers who have felt the sting of humilitation and failure for years, brought about the “escape” of bin Laden, never received deserved honors and thanks. Instead, our troops were blamed for ineptness, incompetence and worse for reasons that were entirely political.”


  27. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I picture some of them….trying to get under their beds but afraid of the roaches.


  28. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 11:17 am


    Thank you for your ignorance.  You had every opportunity to take a few minutes and check on whether what I said was right or wrong and instead you acted like an ass.

    You must be a Bush supporter.  If you want to know why thousands of Americans have died and die every day, take a look in the mirror.  We gave up our democracy out of fear and stupidity.

    Yours, not mine.


  29. Mike M.  October 22, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Gordon, Looks like the freaks are having a field day with this article, Osama, Watcher and Someone. Living proof that our criminal justice system is broken.

  30. Mike M.  October 22, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Gordon, Looks like two pedophiles have also joined in , Osama, and Someone. This is great entertainment,And living proof that our justice system is broke!

  31. Michael  October 22, 2009 at 10:36 am

    There you go again, proving once again that no amount of medication or counseling can bring one back from the edge. For you to suggest that something that came out of Bin Ladens’ mouth as resonable, you must be off your rocker.

  32. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 10:29 am


    the top generals and admirals were retired forcibly for not buying in on the invasion of Iran

    we have been running on (mostly) 3rd stringers since then.

    read the news….the proof is there every day


  33. Michael  October 22, 2009 at 10:27 am

    I do not believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead. That being said, I also do not believe that you go far enough in your prosecutions. They should all be tried for treason, everylast one of them, Reid, Pelosi, McCain….all of them, even Obama! If they were part of the house senate or any branch with military knowledge, off with their collective heads (figuratively of course!)I totally disagree with the assumption that the wars are unwarrented due to the demise of Bin Laden. He is not the only radical fundemental islamic terrorist in the world that can plan an attack. Again it is “news” like this that make me wonder why ya’ll can’t be resposible enough to take your medication!

  34. Alton  October 22, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Wait, Wait! Something is going on now that if taken further can really help America. OK, it’s been reported that all the top 25 executives of the ‘bailed out’ Wall street firms are going to have to take a 90% pay cut and limit their Christmas bonuses too, (no GI-Joe with the Kung foo grip for Junior this year).
    Well the way I see, it is the top 25 Generals/ Admirals and GS whatevers in Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, CIA, FBI, NSA (did I miss anybody that was involved in the ‘keep this idiocy going in Iraq/ Afghanistan’?) ALSO should take a pay cut, pending further investigation into any wrong doing. Oh yeah, let’s not forget the Military Industrial Complex. And maybe we should keep Guantanamo open, not for the terrorists but for well you know. Hey maybe we can also put Bernie Madoff there, right next to his buddies so oncet a day they can all go out, kneel and pray to the almighty dollar. We don’t have the guillotine anymore but this could be a lot more fun to watch.

  35. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Of course.

    Your choices:

    1.  get a shovel

    2.  is a person dead when nobody who matters believes they are alive?  what if everyone thought you were invisible and nobody heard you?  it would be proof

    3.  since december 2001, not only has Islam believed he is dead…the people who count…he has only shown up when the Bush administration has needed a phony "wag the dog" terror alert…

    a new bin Laden…who looks nothing like the old one.

    remember…bin laden made 4 tapes before December 2001 claiming he had nothing to do with 9/11.

    after this….he came back from the dead…in what looks to be another body….and contradicted his very very public statements

    bin laden…love him or not….is well known in Islam as extremely religious and devout

    no one had every caught him in a lie…he has always been utterly fearless and defiant

    after he died…he began lying all the time

    his hair got black…and he got fat

    I hope that happens to me after I die.

    I could be elected to congress or even the presidency.


  36. someone  October 22, 2009 at 10:03 am

    I want proof then tell me he’s dead

  37. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Two things,

    OK..maybe 3

    1.  You guys have the same name?  Are you related?

    2.  When you hear his tapes made before he died….not translated by liars….he actually sounds pretty reasonable……no terrorist threats against the American people whatsoever.  Even I find all this confusing.  We can play the same tape and if I have a friend who speaks arabic with me, the words coming out of his mouth are totally different than those on Fox News.  Not kidding.

    (Fox News:  Yankee, you die!!!)   (Bin Laden:  The American people are my friends!!!)

    Is it really that bad?  Pretty much.

    3.  I actually forgot 3. Let me think.  Oh.  Since he is dead, not only should you celebrate but thank those who killed him, American soldiers….and VA quality health care….

    And…maybe ask a question or two about why we fought a single day after that.  There weren’t enough survivors of Tora Bora to do anything, much less kill or wound 40,000 Americans over.


  38. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Heard that song for the first time on Okinawa.  Was in a quanset hut in Camp Smedley Butler, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade…moving south to you know where…

    Next STop VIETNAM.


  39. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Without getting into this extremely credible group headed by top Army brass that you should familiarize yourself with: []

    Bin Laden never claimed he had anything to do with 9/11.

    All Bin Laden materials since his death have been debunked….they look nothing like him…done by pranksters.

    19 people were responsible for 9/11…paid by saudis or thru accounts in security companies, one in particular owed by a big big insurance company.  Long story there…..never public….CEO of company a friend…brother CFO…murdered after 9/11….but….we all have things that make us doubt.

    Training was done in the US, not Afghanistan.

    Common sense….for a change:  Why the hell would someone train in Afghanistan?  Isn’t that like going to hell on vacation?  Nobody is safe there.  If you use communications….we can pick it up in a second….and bomb without a thought.

    Worst place in the world for that. 

    If bin Laden did have something to do with 9/11….which seems unlikely….he died soon after.  This is my point.

    Go rent "Weekend at Bernies" and let your mind drift away……


  40. Larry  October 22, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Few in the Islamic world believe Al Qaeda existed then or exists now, and the twin towers are still standing correct?

  41. macdoodle  October 22, 2009 at 8:52 am



    let’s see what happens.

    PS: SOMEONE get me some duct tape for that caps lock key!

  42. Obama Bin Laden  October 22, 2009 at 8:50 am

    I wish he was dead.

  43. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 2:41 am


    David has been in contact today.


  44. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 2:38 am

    90% of the people I know are Bush haters anyway.  He only got 30% of the vote in my county.


  45. Rex Carlson, again  October 22, 2009 at 2:38 am

    Edited to avoid any possible misunderstanding:

    Anything and everything that’sLEGAL, no matter how big or how small.

  46. duffster  October 22, 2009 at 2:36 am

    He is in the registry.  Has to stay 1000 yards from a school or playground.


  47. Rex Carlson  October 22, 2009 at 2:27 am

    “Companion” book:

    Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive? by David Ray Griffin (May, 2009)

    great article!!!!!!! GREAT article!

    YES, to commentors above, it would be ( is ) treason.

    The question every one of us needs to ask ourselves – on behalf of our children and our grandchildren — is, “So what do we do?”

    The answer to me has always been very clear. It’s simple, but not easy: Anything and everything, no matter how big or how small.

    This is no joke or theoretical intellectual exercise. This is REAL and the time for action is NOW!

    ps: Yes, you may lose all your friends – no kidding. But we have to do what we have to do. There can be NO excuses.

  48. Mike M.  October 22, 2009 at 1:48 am

    Watcher, That name really means pedophile, or peeping tom?

  49. Raja Mujtaba  October 21, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Along with those 50 or American Generals and Admirals, have General Parvez Musaharraf of Pakistan as your guest too.

  50. duffster  October 21, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Tell us where you are.  We will have someone come and get you.  You can’t stay off your medication this long.  You know how you get, especially around children.


  51. watcher  October 21, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    more crazy dilusional VT rants here…oy vey…no proof, no nuthin but the opinion of the overly medicated , patients at VT

  52. duffster  October 21, 2009 at 5:35 pm


    Point taken.


  53. stevor  October 21, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    and if Obummer also continues the charade, he ought to be tried for treason, too! (maybe we’ll get to see all his hidden papers, too)

  54. Tom Barnes  October 21, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    In fact, I need to go even further with this line of thought.

    If in fact, and it can be verified, that Osama Bin Laden was killed outright at Tora Bora or soon thereafter and we knew it and continued this war in order to make the war industry captains even wealthier than they were already, we are obligated as a free people in a federal republic to act with extreme prejudice. 

    We would need to dismantle the Offense Department at the Pentagon, immediately slash the Defense Budget to about $300 billion dollars and throw fifty or sixty admirals and generals into prison and throw away the key.  All American Intelligence Community directors of agencies that were aware of this subterfuge and allowed it to continue at the price of American lives and the stability of the American economy need to be tried,  convicted and imprisoned.  All of them.

    If this is true and it can be verified that we knew it at the highest levels of government all along, we have not had a government in many, many years.  We have had a secret oligarchy without any pretense whatsoever of the rule of law being implemented.

    If this is true and it can be proven beyond any speculation, a civil war is imminent.  That is without doubt.

    CWO3 Tom Barnes, USCG (Ret.)

  55. Tom Barnes  October 21, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    If Bin Laden is really dead and has been dead since we launched the initial attack on Tora Bora, then anyone who knew this in the Bush Administration and continued to publicly support and push Congress for war monies and therefore caused service deaths is probably subject to prosecution for treason.

    If the Obama Administration is carrying forward this alleged farce, then anyone who knows this in that Administration is committing treason.

    It is treason because the best interests of the United States are being subjegated to the money needs of a few thousand war industry captains.

    If this is indeed true, and Osama bin Laden has been dead for many years. the families of the dead soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan will start a revolution here.  There is little doubt in my mind.

    CWO3 Tom Barnes, USCG (Ret.)

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