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The Katyn Forest Massacre – A Revisionist History Rosetta Stone

Rare photos and the actual Soviet liquidation order signed by Stalin Below

       …by  Jim W. Dean, VT Editor

 

Polish Officers Shot One at a Time by KGB

The 20,000 Polish officers liquidated by the Soviet KGB in WWII are back in the news with the big ceremony of Russian and Polish dignitaries.

They were honoring the one year anniversary of the plane crash that killed the Polish political and military elite coming to attend the first joint Katyn Forest Massacre commemoration last year. The Russians were also releasing more archives.

The news stories today are focusing on the efforts of the Poles and Russians to forge better relations via a dual track of sharing information regarding the cause of the terrible accident and the tragic events at Katyn.

The truth had long hidden from the both the Soviet and supposedly free Western publics, who were engaged in their own cover up.

We at VT often try to take a different approach to such stories. We have a lot of ex-Intel people writing for the website, a suspicious bunch. So often when a big PR splash is being made about coming clean on some past horrible event we immediately start looking into what they are not revealing.

Do I have a personal interest in this? Sure. I am half Polish. My father’s people came over during the early 1900’s era Eastern European migration. And yes, I have ancestors who ended up in these graves.

The oldest con in the world is the phony final investigation which reveals more than in the past, but whose real purpose is to eliminate any further investigation about things they REALLY don’t want you to know about. Why? Good question. Because they are still doing such things…that’s why.

How Many More Buried Massacres Are There?

I only have space to outline this for you today. It’s a visually graphic story so I dug up a lot of archive exhibits to share that most of you have never seen. Much has been public since 1991.

These include the liquidation order signed by Stalin and released by Yeltsin when he opened up the KGB archives in the early 90’s. And I have a long clip of the first brutally filmed movie on the story.

In Gordon Duff’s Sunday reflections article he touched on morbid work of the  historical body snatchers and grave robbers.

They have taken huge piles of bodies from the actual perpetrator’s tally sheet and put them onto someone else’s to focus public outrage and demand for punishment on someone other than themselves.

In the Katyn case the Allies were hiding the complete knowledge that the Soviets had actually liquidated much of the Polish POW officer corp.

Why? Because during their KGB  POW interrogations they showed a ‘negative attitude’ about serving Soviet post war interests, not knowing that was a death sentence.

Execution Site for 4500 Polish Officers

The KGB concluded that if released, these officers would be the future heart and brains of the Polish resistance movement when the Soviets set up their puppet government to control Poland.

Hence, it was better, cheaper to kill them all now during wartime conditions. Mind you the timing on these mass killing was after Russia and Germany had carved Poland up.

Goodbye 25,000 Polish officers, including cadets, and the intelligentsia of Eastern Poland.  Many were reserve officers, lawyer, doctors, professors, etc., anyone who was a poor communist prospect.

Now fast forward to the German attack on Russia. No more Polish territory defensive cushion. The Nazis were  deep into Russia after inflicting huge losses on their military.

The Soviets were now with the Allies. The free Polish government in the West was making demands to unite their army with badly needed officers helf by the Russians.

After Stalin stalled and stalled on locating and transferring them over, the Allies began to understand

they had all been liquidated. Free Polish Intel picked up on how none of them had been heard from via mail after a certain date, kind of a strong hint of a bad outcome.

The Allies of course did not want their free publics to know that their new ally had murdered 25,000 POWs simply to eliminate a post war resistance problem. They also did not want the Free Polish Army Corp to know that they knew. So the lied. They suppressed it.

It was your classic “it ain’t pretty, but we have to do it for the greater good of the war to defeat Germany…we can’t bring the Polish dead back…we have to think of the others now, etc.”
When the Germans captured the Katyn area the mass graves were eventually found, exhumed (see photos below) and even Allied POW personnel brought in as part of the forensic examination teams.

They were obviously killed by the Russians but this was censored from the Western public, something routinely done during the war on a daily basis.

Any mistake, anything at all that might make the public unhappy with their own government corruption and ineptness was suppressed as ‘hurting the war effort’….a screw up’s dream come true. In future articles we will be detailing that this attitude is all and well in 2011.

Dear Folks, This video is pretty gruesome. If you have a tender stomach I would take a pass on it.


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After the war, this Katyn Forest massacre mess had to be tidied up. The 20,000 had to be put in someone’s column, so they were put onto the Germans. ‘They did it‘.

Roosevelt at Yalta

Why? There are many reasons, but generally the Allies wanted to hide their own ruthless decisions during the war, and all the things they had censored.

For example when Roosevelt attended the Yalta conference he agreed to letting the Russians take over Poland as their ‘sphere of influence’.

But during his last election campaign when touring the heavy Polish districts in places in Milwaukee, without reserve he committed himself publicly to a free Poland after the war.

He looked them right in the eye and told them this when he had already signed Poland over to the Russians.

The CIA history section has this gem.  In 1944, President Roosevelt assigned Capt. George Earle, his special emissary to the Balkans, to compile information on Katyn. Earle did so, using contacts in Bulgaria and Romania. He too concluded that the Soviet Union was guilty.

FDR rejected Earle’s conclusion, saying that he was convinced of Nazi Germany’s responsibility. The report was suppressed. When Earle requested permission to publish his findings, the President gave him a written order to desist. Earle–who had been a Roosevelt family friend–spent the rest of the war in American Samoa.

Central Intelligence Agency

More from the CIA history section: Katyn played a convoluted role in US politics and US-Soviet relations. Two US servicemen, brought from a POW camp in Germany, were at Katyn in 1943, when Berlin held an international news conference there to publicize the atrocity.

The ranking officer was Col. John H. Van Vliet, a fourth-generation West Pointer. After returning to Washington in 1945, he wrote a report concluding that the Soviets, not the Germans, were responsible.

He gave the report to Maj. Gen. Clayton Bissell, Gen. George Marshall’s assistant chief of staff for intelligence, who deep-sixed it.

Years later, Bissell defended his action before Congress, contending that it was not in the US interest to embarrass an ally whose forces were still needed to defeat Japan.

Prescott Bush and George

Roosevelt also was informed during the war that Standard Oil of New Jersey had  been refueling German subs at sea during the early part.

American banks were moving German funds around, assisting in communication with their foreign embassies, and other ‘trading with the enemy’ goodies. There were a few mid level prosecutions but no big boys.

Even Prescott Bush, the family patriarch had his companies seized during the war  by Treasury, for ‘trading with the enemy’.

These are just a few of the ruthless black lies that heads of states will engage in, and there begins a chain of events to continue hide this from the public for generations.

Why? Because governments to not want their publics to know that they are ruthless enough to do things like this to their own people…for getting re-elected, or their party remaining in power.

Another sterling example is the USS Liberty massacre by the Israelis in 1967, because contemporary politicians have not seen it worth risking financial political support from the Jewish Lobby here.

USS Liberty -Israeli Attack

This national humiliation runs right to the front steps of the Navy that basically refuses to discuss the Liberty any more, obviously fearful of some horrible retribution, but correspondingly not thinking that their inaction is a breach of their oath to defend the country from all enemies.

They are covered in eternal shame for disgracing the military code of ‘we will leave no man on the field’.

The USS Liberty people were abandoned solely to avoid aggravating the Israeli Lobby here…where most all the politicians of both parties want their money and campaign support to remain in office. It is…to put it bluntly…political treason.

Unlike the holocaust….the Katyn Forest real holocaust, we have their names. We know who killed them, and why. And we know that so called free democratic countries suppressed the truth for half a century. And we know the base reasons they did it.


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The 4,500 at Katyn was just the beginning. There were were other killing fields where Polish Officers have been found. KGB had a file that 21,857 had been killed.

This does not include the 90,000 that disappeared, nor any of the 1.5 to 2 million Polish civilians deported to Central Asia and Siberia, who also vanished. The Soviets had a lot to hide, as do many others.

Today the Polish officer corp from Katyn is no longer relegated to the back of the historical bus. Maybe it is time for another group to take their turn there, one who also has been guilty of mass murder and Nuremberg level capital crimes which warrant the death penalty, yet seems to have a lock on perennial victim status.


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40 Responses to "The Katyn Forest Massacre – A Revisionist History Rosetta Stone"

  1. Sally  April 24, 2011 at 3:19 am

    Exactly!!

    The NKVDs were later to become the KGB!

    17 Nov 2009

    “Let the enemies of the working class remember that any person who is arrested with a gun in his hands, without the corresponding permission and identification, is subject to immediate execution, and any person who dares to talk against Soviet power will be immediately arrested and put in a concentration camp. The members of the bourgeoise must feel the heavy hand of the working class. All capitalist robbers, marauders, and speculators will be sent to compulsory public works, their property will be confiscated, and persons involved in counter-revolutionary plots will be destroyed and smashed by the heavy hammer of the revolutionary proletariat.”
    ~vice chairman peters of the Cheka.

    Marxist Jews in the Russian Revolution & USSR:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

    Winston Churchill Writes of Jews Communism & Zionism:
    http://www.mosaisk.com/revolution/Winston-Churchill-Zionism-Versus-Bolshevism

    http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/zvb/zvb1.html

    When we get a free media we shall also get the Truth!

    Cheka and NKVD Marxist holocaust

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DWH5fx-ax4

  2. Floda  April 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Mystic,

    It really is refreshing for a person who identifies himself as a Jew to come out and side with the facts. You clearly have an acute understanding of the matters you raised. It must be difficult for you within the community, I’m not a Jew but I had a sister who married into it so I have an understanding of sorts. My compliments to you as a decent person.

    Would I could say the same of international Jewry in general.

    PS,

    I rather suspect Dale does not (yet) understand the difference between race and religion in the Jewish context. In particular the selective breeding advantage some suggest is a consequence of the Female parent deemed to be the ‘carrier’ of Jewishness.

  3. Jon Jon  April 13, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Never be fooled …what you see then…. is here and now …nothing changed …
    still brutal, sick, twisted actors…..running through the same scene…….
    blood, gore, power, lust, control ……not new… but obviously firmly imbedded into the human gene structure….

  4. Patrick  April 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    For many decades, the official story was that Germany committed the killings at Katyn Forest. This was the propaganda that was fed to the American people. Now, The truth is out.

    Are we now being fed the same type of propaganda regarding gas chambers used in WWII. It certainly appears to be the case.

    Patrick

    • Jim W. Dean  April 16, 2011 at 10:28 pm

      That is one reason I put the liquidation order in the piece with the signatures on it. Before I found this updating my research I had only seen an English translation. What always struck me most about the document was that the all powerful Mr. Stalin’s name was not on it alone. That for this many killings it took a sixpack to ink their names to it.

      The ones chosen to die basically flunked the interview with a very smooth, good Polish speaking KGB colonel. The interviews were casual so as to not get the Poles telling them what they wanted to hear.

      Traffic is continuing to come in this piece. The Atlanta Poles passed it on to the DC Embassy. I have already had a family survivor in Atlanta contact me, so I might have a chance to do some video to get footage on family stories.

      Ingrind Rimland story (Ernst Zundle’s wife) about what it was like being a ten year old girl playing dead under a pile of bodies, waiting for night time to try to get away. Her group was part of the German migration from the Ukraine that was expelled after the war and literally had to walk do Germany. All kinds of groups slaughtered them along the way, ex-partisans, etc. She became a famous child psychologist.

      For years after the war construction projects were uncovering the mass killing burial pits of these Germans. Authorities would check them to see if they were Jewish victims, where there would be all the media attention and future monument of course and the hunting down of the killers. But when they turned out to be these Germans, the construction just continued. There are hundreds of these migration mass grave sites, making the Trail of Tears look like a cub scout event.

  5. charles Saunders  April 12, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Did you know that according to Alfred M. de Zayas’s “Nemesis at Potsdam”, The free Poles under Mikolajczyk & “valiant” scum-bag Winston Churchill knew about Katyn in 1944. This is how Churchill “blew off” the free Poles(headed by Mikolajczyk) after he & FDR didn’t need them any more: (Page 46 of Zayas’s book-at july 27/1944 meeting in Moscow (with Stalin & Molotov) to decide the fate of post-WWII Poland)”Very much aware of the Unfavorable position of his protege, London Poles, Churchill decided that it would be better for them to forget Katyn and start co-operating with the Russians-even if they did not like them. Otherwise they would be completely out of the picture in post-war Poland”( i.e FDR & Churchill had already sold them out & they were supposed to just “forget” the massacre of their officer class in cold blood)!!!! Churchill & FDR knew the TRUTH about Katyn (just as the free Poles did)& just as Stalin/Churchill & FDR were behind Pearl Harbor attack through Sorge spy ring & IPR(“Institute of Pacific Relations”) spy ring’s “double agent” Count Saionji, head of Japanese admiralty, as General Willoughby has written about in the “American Mercury” & his book, “Shanghai Conspiracy”, so they were behind covering up “Uncle” Joe Stalin’s atrocities before & during WWII like the Katyn Forest massacre. I have nothing but contempt for the likes of Ike( with the Morgenthau plan/”Operation Keelhaul”/Ike’s post-war deathcamps etc. ad nauseam)/FDR & Churchill. They were truly scum!

    • Jim Dean  April 13, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      Charles, You are an old school guy and right on the money. This stuff has been filtering out for years and years any yet publicly it never stuck a chord. I just figured that the Allies never wanted to publicly admit how they screwed the Poles royally.

      It is not widely known that early on the Poles gave the Brits what they needed to break the Ultra code. David Irving was the only historian to actually promote the story. But then he also exposed that Churchill worked for Czech Intelligence when he was on the back bench to help cover his lifestyle expenses. Irving was a marked man for what he gave us that none of the other court historians would.

      I had shot this link over to the Atlanta Polish American folks and they have sent it up to the DC embassy. Seems that with the Katyn photo tour they had going around they have family members with it…a nice touch.

      There are a lot of facets to this story including an incredible one where when the Germans were retreating a special group was tasked with moving the Katyn evidence to Germany. The Soviets had a group tasked with capturing it at all costs. And then there was a Polish group trying to get it themselves.

      I have not watched the new Katyn movie all the way through, but my script notes from years ago was going to focus on this running battle by three groups to get the trucks with the goodies. Would probably be too expensive to make these days with the war devastation scenes needed for the German retreat stuff.

      Just the political cover up at the time is a major article…and then the continuing one for so many years later another. I used the Rosetta Stone image in the title because I felt that a full education on the Katyn (including all killed at the other locations)full story, folks would be trained to smell a repeat act…like with the USS Liberty.

      We are pulling more and more manpower into really digging into this stuff. It could be a great year. The key to it all it to eliminate all the duplicative effort and the time that waste…and of course the petty whiners who are more of a distraction than they are worth.

      Woke up early last night. Started reading Major Jordan’s Diary…a dozen good article just in that man’s WWII Lend Lease work.

  6. Ola  April 12, 2011 at 8:40 am

    read more about the Katyń Massacre here http://www.minelinks.com/war/vengeance_pl.html

  7. Dale R. Suiter  April 12, 2011 at 8:03 am

    History confirms the crimes committed by the soviet machine in the forrest was a Stalin event. Jewish people had nothing to do with the communist crimes. Ever consider Stalins attack on Poland while she was coping with the German assault?

    Need to get facts, folks.

    Dale R. Suiter

    • Gordon Duff  April 12, 2011 at 8:26 pm

      Dale,
      There are a couple of potential issues here.
      Some contend that the Communists were Jews. This is not proven but a point, as it were.
      However, one major point:
      The same authority that reported Katyn as a German massacre also reported 6 million Jews killed and 30 million Russians…by Germany.
      Yet…no gas chamber or crematorium (beyond that in a normal funeral parlor) was ever found..
      no ashes…no signs of there having been a holocaust.
      Just stories…from Stalin…which are now chiseled into our history.
      When did we allow this?
      g

    • Dan  April 13, 2011 at 5:12 am

      Gordon, could you elaborate on which “authority” did the reporting? Great article and so many thoughtful leads to follow up on in these comments. I agree with one commenter that what was done to the Poles in the Katyn Forest our own government will do to Americans without hesitation. In fact, this government’s complicity in the Liberty attack, 9/11, the establishment of an American KGB (complete with KGB-like Directorates as Will Grigg has shown), and a federal nomenklatura of foreign agents and traitors should make this as clear as day.

    • Dale R. Suiter  April 13, 2011 at 8:32 pm

      Hello Gordon:

      I don’t know the answer to your question. Barbi Yar, Lidici, Malmemdy and many other German atrocities are documented as fact cica WWII.

      I believe giving credit to communists as responsbile for the horror of slaughter that was visited upon helpless men, i.e. the Polish Officer Corp, is best based on my understanding of history.

      Take care.

    • Sally  April 24, 2011 at 3:25 am

      American State Dept 1931- confirmed Communism was a Jewish ideology!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYvbIAXveVk

      Here are their names in video above…

      e more one studies the revolution the more one is convinced that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement which can be explained by the special conditions in which the Jewish people were placed in Russia.” (L’Illustration, September 14, 1918).

      It’s too easy when one ownes the media to keep up lies!!

    • Sally  April 24, 2011 at 3:33 am

      All the books written by not only Churchill regards WW2 not one author wrote one paragraph regarding Concentration Camps/Gas Chambers/ Industrial style killings.

      Strange That!!

      Churchill- “The Jewish role in the Russian Revolution”

      This movement among the Jews is not new.

      From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.

      It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution.

      It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire.

      There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews.

      It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others.

      With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews.

      Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders…

      Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews.

      In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. Table Leaders

      And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. Table all members NKVD

      The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun (Cohen) ruled in Hungary.

      The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.

      Although in all these countries there are many nonJews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

      The ADL were not around then to silence him!!

    • Floda  April 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm

      Sorry Dale, but have you ever taken a look at the NKVD and the racial composition of the commissar class of the USSR?

      It was overwhelmingly Jewish. Sure, the poor sods at the bottom of the totem pole may have done the killings, described as ‘wet work’. But the chain of command which was responsible was very Kosher.

      The USSR invaded Poland’s east about two weeks after Germany entered from the west. Poles in the east noticed immediately how local Jews welcomed Russians as liberators. Jews were immediately granted special authority over the Poles and the began arresting, or otherwise fingering them. Jewish head men were even given a red sash to wear over their coats indicating a special rank. This is how many of the unsuspecting Poles finished up in detention, and later, in mass graves with a small hole in the back of the neck from an NKVD .22 Calibre weapon.

      The Germans took thousands of Poles prisoner in the west. Funny isn’t it, how the Germans treated them well and didn’t murder any of these brave men, (as Hitler himself described Polish soldiers after Polland’s defeat)

      It happened in many European states during the war. Notably in Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia where German forces were treated as liberators while locals took terrible revenge on Jews. At least THAT part of the holocaust fable is true, the rest is of course pure bunkum, especially Treblinka which didn’t even exist.

    • Dale R. Suiter  April 14, 2011 at 4:20 am

      My view is the murder of POW’s described in a Polish forrest decades ago was the product of communism via Stalin’s regime.

      On site of liberated oncentration camp photos of General Patton and other allied leaders are historical fact. I won’t get into a who is right or wrong issue. No point in it.

      Communism and a whole lotta other isms result in human horror. The killers and horrible people that vist nightmares on innocents do so for many reasons, religion is only one of them. I remember the iron curtain in Europe. People did not escape into communism. They escaped at risk of their lives into freedom. Modern day example includes North Korea. How many people escape into North Korea.

      I believe too there are people on the planet today that would revist the horror of mass slaughter given the means and method to do so.

      Regards

      Dale R. Suiter

    • Ed E  April 14, 2011 at 8:24 am

      Dear Dale

      Yeah, you’re beginning to ‘waffle’, (putting aside the fact that that’s you all you ever do).. you started by saying that jews were unfairly being blamed for the above massacre, and that the blame should lie with ‘communists’. However some posters here have pointed out to you that those communists and the jews were one and the same people… you seem to have trouble coming to terms with this.. hence you’re incoherent reply.

      Does having to face crimes committed by jews really affect you in such a way?

    • mystic  April 14, 2011 at 10:19 am

      As a Jew myself, I was horrified to learn what history had never taught me growing up.
      Hitler knew all about the crimes of the Bolshevik communists, who were almost totally Jewish (accounting for the wave of anti-Semitism throughout Europe) , and his main two goals were (1) to prevent the threat of their infiltration into Germany ; (2) Rectify the unjust Versailles Treaty resulting from the sabotage of Germany by international Zionists in WWI and subsequently in WWII also. The Jews’ worst enemy is the truth. There was no Youtube or internet during either world wars and coverups and duplicity were easy then. But look at how the Israelis succumbed to the truth in the flotilla massacre, and the final truth of proving how Israel secured the nanothermite will nail the bastards for murdering many more than the 3000 Americans on 9/11. Politicians can’t tell lies as easily anymore either because of the internet. As Erdogan of Turkey said: “They are very good at killing”. And when the truth comes out they are very good at murder, assassination, and threats –look at how Goldstone now “regrets” his own report on Operation Cast Lead, most plausibly from threats to to have his own grandchildren murdered unless he recanted. But the die is cast. Zionism will destroy itself. The DU they use in Gaza is blowing back in their faces and that’s good.

    • Dale R. Suiter  April 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      Liberals adore demeaning and attacking people on a personal level.

      Religion of killers makes no difference. Murder and slaughter goes on from different cultures and religions. I don’t care if the communists that murdered the Polish Officer Corp decades ago were Baptists. They were communists responded to Papa Joe.

      I am correct too. Families do not make or create wars. Political systems, governments, religions create horror, not familites.

      Dale R. Suiter

    • Sally  April 24, 2011 at 5:20 am

      Rare footage

      Rare footage of NKVD mass graves in Poland, Ukraine

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16qNpdifGL8&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alltheinternet.com%2F%3Fq%3DnKVD+WERE+JEWS&has_verified=1

    • Sally  April 24, 2011 at 5:36 am

      Read it all!

      Jewish Holocaust or German Holocaust? Auschwitz Gas Chambers Myth
      May 13, 2008
      by Nicholas Kollerstrom, PhD

      As surprising as it may sound, the only intentional mass extermination program in the concentration camps of WW2 was targeted at Germans. From April, 1945 five million Germans were rounded up after surrendering, and deliberately starved until well over one million had died, in French and American-run concentration camps[1] – an event soon erased from the history books. There was, in contrast, never a centrally-coordinated Nazi program of exterminating Jews in Germany. Lethal gas chambers did not function in German labour-camps, that’s just an illusion. The traditional Holocaust story has developed out of rumours, misunderstandings, and wartime propaganda. From stories pre-dating the Second World War to the Nuremberg Trials which gave official sanction to the notion, to subsequent trials, books and films, we have had it imprinted on our collective psyche. In most of Europe now, it is a thoughtcrime to believe what you have just read, punishable by imprisonment, so think carefully before deciding to read on.

      The real experts on this subject are – in jail, so maybe you will put up with hearing my view instead? Europe needs, more than anything else, a truth and reconciliation forum to get to the bottom of these matters, and to try and exorcise the demonic hate-images. Ever more nations are passing laws that prohibit citizens from expressing doubt – Germany, France, Austria, Poland, Romania, Belgium, Switzerland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Collectively, we need to work trough our despair, rage, and ideas of blame, to try and access the real historical record.

      Cyanide at Auschwitz
      Zyklon-B was used at Auschwitz, as an insecticide. It was vital in attempting to maintain hygiene that mattresses be deloused. Cyanide gas was adsorbed onto clay-type granules, designed to make the deadly gas as ‘safe’ as it could be. If you go to Auschwitz today, you can’t see any authentic gas chambers. You see stone huts, and experts have testified that they could not have been used to gas people, owing to problems in sealing them up (Zyklon-B released its cyanide gas rather slowly[2]).

      In 1988 the scientific team of Fred Leuchter (a US execution-expert ‘Mr Death’ in gas-chamber technology) visited Poland, and concluded that the Auschwitz ‘gas chambers’ could not possibly have functioned in the alleged manner – i.e., they were not gas chambers[3]. In the following years, others would confirm the accuracy of his seminal, ‘Leuchter Report’. The German chemist Germar Rudolf, who worked at the Max Plank institute for Solid State Physics, is now in jail, because he likewise measured the high levels of the cyanide in the walls of the de-lousing chambers. It happens that this gas bonds permanently with iron, and iron is present in all the cement etc of stone walls. Whereas, he found none in the walls of what were supposed to be the ‘gas chambers’ which were mainly shower units. He thereby confirmed the work of Leuchter who likewise only found remains of the cyanide gas-insecticide in the delousing chambers.[4]

      After Rudolf’s report was published in 1993, he lost his job and was prevented from completing his doctorate, then a few years later he was given a jail sentence. He is now in a high-security prison near Stuttgart, for the crime of not finding cyanide in the ‘gas chambers[5],’ echoing Leuchter’s cyanide residue investigations. [6] When a chemist is put in jail, for replicating the result of another – in Germany of all places, the nation which invented chemical procedure – then the farce cannot continue for much longer[7] (The gas chambers were conveniently located east of Germany behind the Iron Curtain to make them inaccessible to westerners, which helped the myth to flourish).

      The Leuchter results were almost too good to be true, with a three orders of magnitude difference between the cyanide levels in the delousing chamber walls (about one part per thousand) and those in the washing chambers (aka ‘gas chambers’), around one part per million. They are not published in any peer-reviewed chemistry journal, for obvious reasons. The only way to hold a debate on this subject appears to be in a courtroom, while being prosecuted! It is hard to reach the calm condition necessary for replication of chemical measurements. Nonetheless people have replicated the fundamental result[8], and even folk with no interest in chemistry can appreciate the pretty blue colour on the outside of the de-lousing chamber (where the Ferro cyanide has seeped right through the wall) and its complete absence around the so-called ‘gas chambers.’ Let’s face it, the case is established: the cyanide poison was used where the German records state that it was used – for delousing mattresses, clothing etc – whereas it was not used where the US and UK (at Nuremberg) alleged.

      Continues below

      http://jewsvszionists.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/jewish-holocaust-or-german-holocaust-auschwitz-gas-chambers-myth/

      THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.

      “Bosnia the Judgement” You Tube how to fabricate a photo to make the world think that Concentration camps were in Europe. When war is on the cards BINGO!

  8. Subvet416  April 12, 2011 at 7:17 am

    “Dispensing with future enemies…” This tactic is as old as life itself and predates any culture or religion. We see many examples of it in the animal kingdom.

    However, this tactic is being used today by biological psychiatry, a hand maiden of fascism, to destroy the US Seed Corps with toxic psychiatric drugs in our schools, and totally and permanently disable our battle-hardened veterans lest they become the cadres of a new revolution.

    The roots of the American Psychiatric Association trace back into those very same intelligence agencies (“Funny how some words just don’t go together!” George Carlin) which assisted in the mass murders and associated cover-ups described in the above article.

  9. Floda  April 11, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Katyn was just one of many massacres perpetrated by the Jewish run NKVD. In Vynitsia Ukraine and many other East European centers, the arriving German Army was informed by locals that they suspected something terrible had been going on inside the Jail. The Germans began to dig and discovered around 22,000 Ukrainians had been given the ‘Katyn’ treatment beginning in 1938, over three years BEFORE war broke out.

    Dispensing with future enemies is a uniquely Jewish battle tactic. You can see them doing it today in Gaza where they murder small children, ‘because they grow up and become TERRORISTS’. One officer was charged with emptying 11 Bullets into a twelve year old girl. At what passes for his ‘Trial’, he said he would have done the same, ‘If she was a three year old’.

    He was acquitted, this is what you American soldiers have been dying and getting your asses shot off for a very long time. It’s time some patriotic men in the US Military began to think seriously about placing you entire Parliament under arrest and making up lists of other traitors to hunt down.

    • Jim W. Dean  April 12, 2011 at 6:10 am

      Floda, Would like anymore info you have on the girl shooting. None of this sees the light of day in American media. This sounds like you hade some written material on this.

      I remember reading some years ago that the average sentence for an ‘illegal killing’ like this was like six months. A disgrace.

    • 5ds  April 12, 2011 at 9:25 am

      this only site i could link to re 13 yr old girl:

      http://www.joebuddentv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87337

      “An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been 3 years old was acquitted on all charges by an Israeli military court yesterday.”

      · Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified
      · Defence says ‘confirming the kill’ standard practice

      Quote:
      An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

      The soldier, who has only been identified as “Captain R”, was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.

      The manner of Iman’s killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was “scared to death”, made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.

      After the verdict, Iman’s father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.

      “They did not charge him with Iman’s murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times,” he said. “This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children.”

      The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

      Capt R’s lawyers argued that the “confirmation of the kill” after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.

      Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: “I told you I was innocent.”

      The army’s official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.

      A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

      In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post’s operations room and describes Iman as “a little girl” who was “scared to death”. After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

      Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to “lure” the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then “confirmed the kill”.

      “I and another soldier … are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill … Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her … I also confirmed the kill. Over,” he said.

      Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

      On the tape, Capt R then “clarifies” to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: “This is commander. Anything that’s mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed.”

      At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.

      The prosecution case was damaged when a soldier who initially said he had seen Capt R point his weapon at the girl’s body and open fire later told the court he had fabricated the story.

      Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child’s body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. “She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs,” he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. “The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face.”

      The army’s initial investigation concluded that the captain had “not acted unethically”. But after some of the soldiers under his command went to the Israeli press to give a different version, the military police launched a separate investigation after which he was charged.

      Capt R claimed that the soldiers under his command were out to get him because they are Jewish and he is Druze.

      The transcript

      The following is a recording of a three-way conversation that took place between a soldier in a watchtower, an army operations room and Capt R, who shot the girl

      From the watchtower “It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastward.” “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?” “A girl about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death.” “I think that one of the positions took her out.” “I and another soldier … are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill … Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her … I also confirmed the kill. Over.”

      From the operations room “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?”

      Watchtower “A girl about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

      A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts

      Watchtower “I think that one of the positions took her out.”

      Captain R “I and another soldier … are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill … Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her … I also confirmed the kill. Over.”

      Capt R then “clarifies” why he killed Iman

      “This is commander. Anything that’s mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over.”

    • Ed E  April 14, 2011 at 8:02 am

      Yup… that sums up the ‘most moral’ army…

      seriously is there any other country on the planet where you can turn up in court and say… “…Anything that’s mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over.”… and walk away a free man?

    • Floda  April 13, 2011 at 5:14 pm

      Yes Jim,

      I was about to search for the article on the little girl when I read the extensive account below by 5ds.

      Seems I was wrong about the NUMBER of bullets the Israeli Hero pumped into the girl. I said 11, but it seems he actually shot her 17 times! I dare say he only put seventeen slugs into her because he ran out of ammo!

      Aren’t they nice folks, these child murdering ‘allies’ of America, in the ‘only democracy in the middle east’?

      But all is not lost. I firmly believe when your average citizen realizes 9/11 was done by Israel and America’s 100% Jewish owned media covered it up, that a future and different America takes a long, hard look at its relationship with that misbegotten, criminal state.

  10. AJHenry  April 11, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Jews pulling the triggers would be a much safer bet. If Jewish control of the Soviet state is a new idea, see the following books for the facts:

    Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed (http://iamthewitness.com/books/?dir=Douglas.Reed%2FThe.Controversy.of.Zion%2F)

    Jews in Russia by Andrey Diky (http://iamthewitness.com/books/Andrey.Iv.Diky/Jews.in.Russia.and.in.the.USSR/index.htm#_Toc185714882)

    • Debbie Menon  April 14, 2011 at 7:07 am

      Thanks Henry, I cottoned onto Douglas Reed via IHR and Mark Weber who also seems to have appreciated him, his writing.

      Yes, writing what he did from the situation as he saw it sixty years ago, he certainly was a prophet of current times. And, it is no wonder why he was disenfranchised, although praised, by his own powerful News organization, the London Times, and subsequently shunned by all the rest of the world’s publishers. Even then the hydra-headed cabal had a strong grip on the power centers which mattered.

      No, I shan’t bother reading his book.I am sure it is interesting, but I doubt that it can tell us anything we do not already know, and it would merely be repetitious, or prescient, of everything we read today.

      But, he is a good introduction into those dark and mysterious depths for the uninitiated and ignorant public who are just emerging from the sheltered womb in which they have taken refuge for so long, awakening, needing their eyes and ears cleaned of the mess of parturition, and a good sharp whack on the bottom to get them up and shouting.

  11. Youssef - Beirut  April 11, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    These must not be jewish officers, otherwise the world would have been overwhelmed with memorials, foundations, requests for revenge, and naturally claims for monetary compensations, no?

    • Jim W. Dean  April 12, 2011 at 6:06 am

      Much of the problem was Poland being a communist country during the cold war and there were no real mechanisms for independent investigations. And even if there were, information could be withheld so they would go nowhere.

      The Russians have dragged their feet on releasing the details, I suspect they were waiting for any of those involved at the officer level to die off.

      I never understood it. The Stalin ear crimes were well known. This was just another one. So why not get on it exposed and be done with it. After all, Yeltsin released the execution order in 1991…and here were are 20 years later Russia is turning over more.

    • Ann  April 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm

      Mr Dean, this goes much deeper and uglier than anything we have been led to believe. Please look into the bios of Gareth Jones and Malcolm Muggeridge, both of whom exposed the Stalinist starvation of the Ukrainians, and the odious NYT reporter Walter Duranty who covered it up. Duranty was rewarded with a Puliter and Jones was murdered.

      “Uncle Joe” Stalin was an ignorant and violent psychopath all his life, and he never could have gotten where he did without A LOT of money. He was selected to keep the Russian people cowed, terrified, and abused for decades on end.

      Both world wars and all the genocidal maniacs of the 20th century were and still are part and parcel of the NWO and its criminally insane planners.

    • Jon Jon  April 13, 2011 at 6:53 pm

      Gee sounds just like todays leaders and the state of todays human affairs ………

    • Ann  April 13, 2011 at 8:18 pm

      Also Stalin was created and managed by the central bankers as a bludgeon for the newly enslaved Russians, so he committed the Katyn atrocity with their knowledge and approval. It would be interesting to know just who organized and carried our the murders and how they fared afterwards.

      An organized post-war Poland would have struck for her freedom and threatened the Eastern part of their NWO so I believe that they decided to eliminate the threat aheaad of time.

      Nothing new, they plan well ahead (planned ww1 during the 1890’s)and destroy any population that might cause the slightest disruption, and manipulate the rest to serve their purposes by setting them at each other. That is why it is imperative to resist the thought that the Russians alone did this — indeed they were pawns and very badly abused by foreign pupeteers.

      The recent Katyn tragedy raises many questions, but a witness at the scene filmed the wreckage– voices, shouts, and at least two gunshots were clearly audible. In both Katyn cases, cui bono? The globalist parasites.

      It requires a shift in thinking to accept the magnitude and extent of such criminal depravity. Central bankers and their appointed political goons are not intelligent, they are academic dunces, they lack creative and constructive skills. But what they lack in brains they more than make up for in sociopathy–cruelty, lies, dishonesty, cunning, stealth, deviance. Just like criminal predators.

      They simply do not have the natural thoughts that would give pause to normal people, they are quite ill. They are a predators and nothing else, which explains why they commit one atrocity after another and never look back. The only way they can sate themselves is through power and dominance hence the proliferation of sociopaths in power. They are criminally insane and must always be considered as such when trying to unravel history.

    • Gordon Duff  April 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm

      Does this make all poles “holocaust survivors?”

  12. prairiedog  April 11, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Looks like every country has their very own My Lai.

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