Germany Mounts Nuke Missiles On Subs For Israel

Germany Delivering Soviet Nukes To Israel

Israel Has No Cruise Missile Capabability, Germans Violate Non-Proliferation Treaty

 

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

 

Today, Germany admitted arming nuclear submarines for Israel, not just selling subs, but supplying missiles and warheads.  Did they say so openly?  In fact, based on research any journalist is capable of, they did exactly that. 

We had long suspected, as have most Germans, that Merkel was an agent of some kind, a handmaiden of the secret societies trying to bring about global Armageddon.

Germany’s admissions today aren’t news to those who follow defense issues.  They don’t even come close to full disclosure, but they do make it inexorable, that we can now safely assume that Germany has long been a rogue nation and a “behind the scenes” manipulator with leadership only slightly changed from the Hitler era.

Officially, Israel has 3 Dolphin Class submarines supplied by Germany.  Der Spiegel announced today that these boats had been specially modified to launch nuclear cruise missiles.  What Der Spiegel failed to note is that the missiles themselves were supplied with the boats, nuclear weapons included.

Germany is helping Israel to develop its military nuclear capabilities, SPIEGEL has learned. According to extensive research carried out by the magazine, Israel is equipping submarines that were built in the northern German city of Kiel and largely paid for by the German government with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. The missiles can be launched using a previously secret hydraulic ejection system. Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak told SPIEGEL that Germans should be “proud” that they have secured the existence of the state of Israel “for many years.”

 In the past, the German government has always stuck to the position that it is unaware of nuclear weapons being deployed on the vessels. Now, however, former high-ranking officials from the German Defense Ministry, including former State Secretary Lothar Rühl and former chief of the planning staff Hans Rühle, have told SPIEGEL that they had always assumed that Israel would deploy nuclear weapons on the submarines. Rühl had even discussed the issue with the military in Tel Aviv.

The Dolphin is not the first sub built for Israel.  Years previously, Germany retrofit several Type 21 subs, one of Hitlers “super weapons” from World War II, adding air populsion systems, with both surface to air missile capability, modifified American Patriot III systems illegally obtained and sold and a cruise system, most likely the older but very effective Soviet Granite 700.

Israel has no capability of modifying submarines and has no cruise missiles that are nuclear capable, their Delilah Al missile has a range of only around 100 miles, useless for use at sea, lacking both ability to penetrate targets nor carry proper warheads.  It is little more than a “standoff” version of the American “Hellfire,” designated for small fortifications or armoured vehicles.

Range 100 miles, warhead size appropriate for row boat or ox cart

The missile itself weighs around 300 pounds and, unless supplied with a micro-nuke warhead such as are rumored to have been tested by DARPA in Iraq, would only be capable of taking out a passenger vehicle at best.  These were used in Lebanon in 2006 with minimal success.  Truth being, the entire missile is barely a tenth the size of the warhead of a typical cruise missile and is extremely primitive and highly susceptible to ECM (Electronic Counter-Measures).

Then what is being put on the submarines?

Several weeks ago, a type 21, highly modified and refurbished was launched from Bremerhaven under the watchful eye of the NSA, Royal Navy, MI 6 and other agencies.  Attached to the bottom of the submarine, according to official sources under anonymity, was a droppable canister containing a 550 kiloton thermonuclear weapon, one of four discovered inside Germany by the American VELA satellite system, a transaction both illegal and highly irregular.

Below is a photograph of a refurbished World War II Type 21 submarines capable of nearly 20 knots underwater, even with 60 year old systems.  A refurbished Type 21 can actually outperform a newer Dolphin, using the best of its batteries and air drive system for silence with much better hull design and far greater range and capacity.  The photo below is a Type 21 still being used by the French Navy, considered still the most advanced diesel/electric submarine in the world:

70 Years Old? This Sub Capable of Nuclear Cruise Missiles, High Speed, Long Range and Sea to Air Missile Equipped

The best part of these Type 21 subs is that they don’t officially exist.  Refitting is totally secret, their individual capabilities, whether Cruise missiles or ICBMs is never reported and the buyers are unknown, whether governments, intelligence agencies or private concerns with issues about transporting large quantities of undetected “goods” around the world.

On June 1, 2009, it was a submarine like this one, armed with American Patriot missiles, that is said to have shot down Air France flight 447, an Airbus 330 bound for Brazil, while it was over the South Atlantic.  France was said to have failed to live up to an agreement and that this “tax” was considered punishment and incentive.  The source is both official and anonymous.

Coincidentally, Pablo Dreyfus, an expert on international drugs and arms deals was on this flight.  He alone would have been enough of a target to have downed this plane for.

The Soviet Union used these as ballistic missile submarines with three silos behind the mast.  They claim they were in active service when transferred to North Korea in 1990.  The Soviets said they were “scrap” but 22 years later, North Korea is still using them, one having recently sunk, in 2010, a South Korean ship:


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With Russian warheads discovered in Germany and Cruise type missiles being installed by German shipyards, admittedly on Dolphin Submarines destined for Israel, perhaps on others as well, up to 50 submarine “upgrades” have been done by Germany without accountability, there are only two choices for Cruise missile, the American Tomohawk or, more likely, the Soviet era Granite 700.  Here, Dimitri Khalezov, a former nuclear intelligence officer of the 12th Soviet Directorate, describes the Granit for Veterans Today:

What is a “Granit”?

The P-700 “Granit” missile (also known by its NATO classification as “Shipwreck” or “SS-N-19”- where “N” apparently stands for “Navy”) is the most advanced Soviet-era Navy missile. It is intended to be fired from submarines in submerged position and is primarily intended to destroy the US aircraft-carrier battle-groups. This is a highly sophisticated and highly “intelligent” missile.

The “Granit” missiles could be used to strike battle-groups and other ship orders while fired in swarms of 12 missiles in one salvo, but could be as well used in single shots – fired against single naval targets, as well as against stationary ground targets (as was demonstrated in the case of the Pentagon strike on 9/11). Each “Granit” missile weighs about 7 tons, has length of about10 meters, could fly up to625 kmat the supersonic speed at 2.5 Mach. Each missile is typically equipped with a standard “Navy-type” 500 kiloton thermo-nuclear warhead; conventional warheads for this missile even though exist in theory, are never used in reality – so that all without any exception “Granit” missiles in service are nuclear-tipped.

 This missile deems to be totally indestructible, because NATO lacks any means to shot down this missile even if they detect it in advance. In fact, it was demonstrated in the case of the Pentagon attack on 9/11 – NORAD managed to detect the upcoming “Granit” missile at least 6 minutes before it struck the Pentagon. NORAD’s operational officers managed to ring the atomic alert, scramble the so-called “Doomsday plane” in response, but were not able to prevent the actual strike – the missile managed to successfully approach Washington DC and hit the wall of the Pentagon despite being detected by NORAD 6 minutes in advance.

Make you own conclusions – as to the danger of this weapon. I would also like to note, that according to the Soviet and Russian strategic plans, the submarines armed with the “Granite” missiles could be used as a “back-up” option for the retaliatory nuclear strike against the United States (while the primary role in such a strike belongs to strategic intercontinental- and submarine-launched ballistic missiles, of course).

Something for those Russian "non-Jewish" technicians relocated to the West Bank to program

“Granit” missile in the factory.

 For the reason of possible usage in the retaliatory strike the “Granit” missiles are also designed to produce airbursts above the US cities – so they are equipped with special non-contact detonators for such reason, in addition to the usual contact detonators. I should mention also that the “Granit” missile has a very advanced inertial guidance system that also has a list of pre-loaded most important NATO targets. While flying above the ocean the “Granit” missile will scan and reconnoiter the operational theater and try to distinguish ship orders and especially aircraft-carrier battle-groups and to select the most important targets in the ship orders and to strike them in automated manner.

If flying above the territory the missile will reconnoiter it too and will try to detect the most important stationary targets by comparing their coordinates with those pre-loaded in its warhead. Once encounter such targets the missile’s on-board computer will immediately select the most important target by the order of priority and the missile will strike it. So, once the missile was fired towards Washington D.C. it compared the two most important targets – the White House and the Pentagon and “preferred” to strike the latter one as being in its “opinion” the more important target.

Perhaps I should mention that this is the most heavily armored missile in the world – it is made from very thick steel and in fact it could be compared with a flying tank or with a giant bullet. Due to its tremendous speed, weight and strength of its body this missile managed to penetrate six capital walls of the Pentagon building when it struck it on 9/11.

As there is no other missile available for sea launch, there is nothing but the Granit that Germany could have been installing in the newer but less capable Dolphins or the Type 21 submarines it has produced over the years for special clients.  It has been reported by official but anonymous sources that it was a type 21 that delivered a device used to trigger the earthquake that destroyed the Fukashima nuclear plant in Japan and that a recently launched Type 21, prevented from organizing a nuclear terror attack on the 2012 Olympics, is now nearly on station for an attack on a secret Japanese plutonium production and storage facility, two possible locations given, one on Northern Honshu and the other on Hokkaido.

In neither case has there been conclusive proof as to the organization involved with British sources indicating a highly secretive multi-national terror group with a powerful cast of characters from China, Russia, Germany, the UK and US, all supporting a doomsday agenda.  Were it not for credible and highly detailed classified sources and coincidences such as the announcements made in Der Spiegel today, clear admissions of serious war crimes by the German government, feeling themselves totally immune to international law, a pretty good guess, we would have passed on reporting any of this.

ISRAEL and the CRUISE

More from Der Spiegel in today’s article:

Now SPIEGEL has learned that Israel is arming the submarines with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. The German government has known about Israel’s nuclear weapons program for decades, despite its official denials.

Documents from the archives of the German Foreign Ministry make it clear, however, that the German government has known about the program since 1961. The last discussion for which there is evidence took place in 1977, when then-Chancellor Helmut Schmidt spoke to then-Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan about the issue.

Clear evidence exists that Israel has no program either to modify submarines for cruise missiles, to manufacture real cruise missiles or to mount nuclear weapons on these devices.  This we know for sure.  The missiles are of American or Russian design, were supplied illegally by the manufacturer and are installed with nuclear weapons while in Germany.

Israel has no such capability though there has been a recent influx of former Russian/Soviet missile technicians, all non-Jews, into Israel over the past two years.  No matter how secret an operation, the idea that non-Jews were awarded housing in areas where Palestinians had been expelled was seen as disturbing to many Israeli’s who coveted these properties and were very vocal about government actions in importing missile technicians from Russia who have no Jewish blood.

Despite the “top secret” nature of this program and its potential ties to 9/11, there have actually been public demonstrations that have brought  it to the surface.

The questions we have to look at is what actions are likely to make use of weapons such as these to realign global issues and on whose part.

An immediate assumption, one quite probably off the mark, is that Israel feels a need to use long range cruise missiles against Iranian targets.  In truth, any nation to cause civilian deaths making use of nuclear weapons in a first strike capability would face, minmially, total sanctions, fully back by Russia and China with abstensions at the Security Council by the US and Britain.  France is the only potential vote and any French government voting on this issue would fall that day.

Israel has no plans to attack Iran with nuclear weapons.  We have reliable information that Iran has had nuclear capability, deliverable high-output warheads, since 2002 with a deliverable range of about 1500 miles.  We have also been informed by sources in Iran that there is no potential for deployment of such weapons, and no remote possibility of their use unless Tehran itself is under nuclear attack.

All of this is more than unlikely.

What is more likely is an attack on the US, Great Britain or South Korea.  What makes this possible is that Israel currently has, unlisted in its inventory, more than one submarine with long range nuclear capability and an unclear naval command stucture.  Israel, in actuality, has no civil government and only a minimal military government.  An examination of political moves made by Israel clearly demonstrates that they don’t function as a nation at all but rather as an outpost for a post war conglomerations of secret societies, some closely aligned to Himmler’s SS and Gehlen’s DVD.

British security experts are of a general belief that the Gehlen group, under Operation Paperclip, run by the Dulles brothers, Allen and John Foster, aided by a young Richard Nixon (highly classified) created the CIA, not out of the OSS but entirely out of German intelligence groups who had worked, hand in hand, with counterparts in America during the entire Second World War.  Among their best known operations were the Kennedy assassinations, their manipulation of American media and their ability to hide behind Jewish identity organizations and partner with communists when needed.

Most American presidents have DVD members among their staff, their top advisors as does the British prime minister.  Canada has long been an outpost for these groups who have been able to openly export nuclear technology and highly enriched weapons grade uranium from Canada unnoticed.  No one ever asks why a nation with almost no Jewish population is overrun with Jewish defense organizations.  Ernst Zundel was prevented from exposing this issue and, in his failure, unknowingly probably saved his own life.

The most likely targets are American aircraft carriers, one or more, easy to blame on Iran but more likely to lead to worldwide instability rather than an immediate attack on Iran without clear evidence.  Clear evidence.  With the press as it is, you could create “clear evidence” with a crayon.

Here is a NASA photo taken of Mars from an orbiter.  Tell me what is wrong with this photo:

Mars Orbiter Photo Taken from 17 inches above "something"...not tripod lower right

Carefull examination of this photograph, supposedly taken last month, supplied by NASA as one taken from many miles above the Martian surface is something quite different.  See the lower right?  That is part of the foot of a small tripod.  Note the blue substance?  Spectroscopic analysis indicates they came from the bottom of a home aquarium.  This photo was taken from a small model built inside a wooden framework, one sculpted from everyday household items, but why?  Do we not have a Martian orbiter or is NASA prone to jokes of this kind?

Note the arrow, the sample used for analysis.  This isn’t Mars and may well have been done in someone’s garage.

ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES

If one can blow up Chicago, send a missile into the Pentagon, sink an aircraft carrier or run with no accountability while the bastion of freedom in the world is involved in a series of war crimes, overrun by drugs, has rigged elections that “banana republics” would be ashamed of, if news can print “garage made” photos of Mars, then what can’t be done and what can be trusted?

If we take Zbigniew Brzezinski at his word, that the world is a grand chessboard, then any act can lead to any potential consequence, alway beyond our grasp.

 

 

 

 



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78 Responses to "Germany Mounts Nuke Missiles On Subs For Israel"

  1. Didi  June 11, 2012 at 10:29 am

    I am repeatedly not Able to Send a Long Comment and am rejected.

  2. Didi  June 11, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Am I expelled her?

  3. Didi  June 11, 2012 at 10:27 am

    this nwotruth.com/visualizing-chinas-voracious-appetite-for-gold is maby a Sign that the in china residing top of banksterpiramid li clan and china is awaiting a fall of the surpluss of Dollars they have and also are working with their at the moment everywhere Poorness seeding banks and triplle aaa devaluator mobcells to work all of Western World into the Ground. So big devaluations and inflations will come anyway? So the banksters are securing their rob and plunder by exchanging Worthless papermoney for Real Gold. That way with their papermoney they always robbed Us these ways.

    “Onassis was an extremely close friend of Winston Churchill. The Freemason Winston Churchill is a descendent of a family that has been part of the elite that have secretly run the world. Winston Churchill on several occasions told Onassis that the only one he could trust in W.W. II was Joseph Stalin. (This is a far cry from the picture given in history books.) Winston Churchill spent a great deal of time on Onassis’s yacht Christina. Onassis was also friendly with Winston Churchill’s friend of Bernard Baruch. It was Bernard Baruch who convinced Winston Churchill to join the Illuminati conspiracy. He asked Churchill to come watch something important in NY in 1929, and then he showed Churchill how they could destroy the Stock Market. That show of power brought Churchill on board. ”

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    Banking and finance as exterminationtools

    And also they are More and More in the Picture for all kinds of megascams like theft of trillions and plunder through all kinds of channels. Like this stumbleupon.com/su/4VCUoR/www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/11/virginia-republican-forces-scientists-to-stop-using-climate-change-terminology/

    So throwing Us into a major situation any situation would be very very convenient for them as I already Told befor how their culture of racial plunder and rape is

    And this to also the german Judgesystem Seems to be Very Real. The Judge Ruled that opposition is Not allowed to say the protocols would be a falsification where also We for Ourselfs Can See for Years already Every point of below

    Would you recognize some?

    Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can’t run their nations properly. For their sake and ours, we need to abolish their governments and replace them with a single government. This will take a long time and involve much bloodshed, but it’s for a good cause. Here’s what we’ll need to do:

    Place our agents and helpers everywhere
    Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
    Start fights between different races, classes and religions
    Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
    Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
    Appeal to successful people’s egos
    Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
    Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
    Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
    Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
    Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
    Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
    Rewrite history to our benefit
    Create entertaining distractions
    Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
    Encourage people to spy on one another
    Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
    Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
    Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
    Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
    Replace sound investment with speculation
    Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
    Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

  4. lawrencedickerson  June 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    I just finished reading the,”Iron Mountain”, report and I must say from my perspective that it could certainly be a factual presentation.The condemnation and rebukes forced me to flash upon the “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, or, “The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion “.The denials and accusations of duplicity and forgery in concerns to the Elders seemed compatible with each other.

    Am I just searching for a truth that isn’t there or is there a hidden agenda designed as plans for a New World order?I used to think that the very mention of a NWO was nothing but a cover for conspiracy theory pertaining to a group of disgruntled human beings.There is enough fact to warrant a close scrutiny of all issues not just the status quo which the governments would have us believe.

    It’s difficult to separate fact from fiction at the layman level.There is so little time and money to be able to ascertain those differences.And I’ll be darned if more avenues to search don’t pop up at almost every turn of a page.Thank goodness we have the internet and the ability to have so much knowledge,good,bad and indifferent at our fingertips;however,that makes it all the more difficult to separate the chaff from the wheat.It does give us something of quality to fill our time and need for the “truth”,whatever that is.One person’s truth is another’s lie or close to that.

  5. xx  June 9, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Light in unity is “present time”, light lagging unity is “past time”, the measure of the ratio of output to input stated above. However, what “time” is occurs when the ratio is inverted? Solve the basic problem, in the first paragraph. Sorry GD, messages are best hidden in books.

  6. xx  June 9, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I was hoping GD would create an article where such things can be carefully disclosed, there’s some hidden chatter but will disappear soon. There’s nothing more to say here.

  7. xx  June 9, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Maybe some clarity is required, have you hear the term “time of flight?” About 26 years ago developed circuit to measure signals ratio, faster then microprocessor can every calculate. Light not in flight is unity, however, once light is pulsated at high frequencies, the greater the ratio (output to input), the greater the distance traveled. Precision was now achieved and applications endless. Remember the above description, it changes everything.

  8. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    “filled with bearer bonds”

    A big Sign of jewish passengers.

    Hard rumour goes all by jews along many decades gathered gold with robberies cheats theft and exchangings for wolframbars and stones and bonds they have in a big underground complex stashed away under the dimona facility

  9. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 10:46 am

    2 My apologies for the drag but this is a Safety issue so might be important.

    Beware if device is charged or loaded for use or energystorage experiments to have to find experimentaly the load cryofield breakdowncharge to know up to what charges to be Safe.

    If fieldbreakdown in case of overload occurs same dangers as warned for already can occur. Cryofieldbreakdowns usually occur at high levels of charge so anyway dangerous. Studies into the scientific superconductorreports and history would not hurt anyway.

  10. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 10:43 am

    My apologies for the drag but this is a Safety issue so might be important.

    Beware if device is charched or loaded for use or energystorage experiments to have to find experimentaly the load cryofield breakdowncharge to know up to what charges to be Safe.

    If fieldbreakdown in case of overload occurs same dangers as warned for already can occur. Cryofieldbreakdowns usually occur at high levels of charge so anyway dangerous. Studies into the scientific superconductorreports and history would not hurt anyway.

  11. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 10:36 am

    This means for every full or halfjew and all of their families and loved ones that there wil be no reward for them in serving these corners of societies and Earth other that a big and very warm surprise.

    This way the asians ended every period of rape scavening and plunder in all of the World. No matter if this concerns bringing the plague wars disasters starvations epidemics immigrations emigrations what ever to oblitterate the remaing Victims Witnesses Testimonies and retaliations.

    To come back after and do it all over again for centuries on and on already and everytime leaving the millions of dead jews behind that served them well.

    It might well be the jews in states laws services and governments have to keep Us in charge until they manage their plans or wiping Us out. It happened last time to robbed empty Germany where only a few Germans aka Kaukasians ( Whites Blond or Red Hair and NO black hair) remain today.

    So there comes hateseeding against Germany as befor against several others ( Iran North Korea ( sinking South Korean vessel) China russia (including forestfires)) come in nicely with upon that atomic warfarecapacitiy for them. And You thinking they keep middle east in charge for us and the oil against these semites who they collaborate massively with as also they go together for 13.000 years already raping the World.

  12. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 10:22 am

    You can bet on it when israel occupies all airplanesecuries ( and governments and law and justices and science and academia and media and banks and industry and insurances and foodindustry and oilindustry and Our Future etc etc ) in our Nations such shipyard is a piece of easy kosjer something to them.

    And even trying to vaporise this time not six but hundreds of milljons of jews in many several repeated tries to get Us vaporised in an atomic war makes everything perfectly sane to them to keep on going the good works to can reach that goal. That israel and their china and liclan with their islamcollaborators.

  13. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 5:50 am

    “For al the two most agressive and therefor influencual tribes in islam the wahabites and salafists are since the start run by jewish families and therefor all of islam also.”

    This also gives the earlier wtc attacks more 2 swung and can be related to their plans to introduce artificially made moslimterror and plans for antiterrorsupressions. So the first attacks were to attend Westworld toward moslims.

  14. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 5:43 am

    And your Analyse fits well in to all the other material and stories around the wtc towers and israel´s involvment. As they the same time opstructed with the attacks investigations for their trillions of dollars thefts and robberies not only in US but in all western world. It is no secret israel turkey china and azerbadjan are very booming now and the banksters among them the rotschilds who could ad 100 trillion of worth to their value in 2011. Out of nowhere maby?

    Because of all that and the repeated faillure to throw Us after the robberies and plunder into a atomic nigthmare already in 2000 they enforced their mafiaprecense in states and governments of most nations. In Holland they infiltrated per 2004 and 2009 in total 200.000 jewmobsters in state services and government for that. Most coming from new york and chicago. Same way banksters did run over Russia around 1900 also with more than 500 independant infiltrationcells and took over. Any many nations after that as their communistplan was to conquer all of the World….again since all the 2800 since they arrived thrown out of afrika as the faraos they were.

    The stories now with Germany could also be a so maniest try to get their beloved atomic war as they are false flagging themselfes to dead for that since 2000.

    So israel china turkey azerbadjan should better be on top of every retaliationlist in the World. Or Attacklist because I am very very uncertain if they ever wil Stop warmongering and abusing the World and Mankind.

    And dont get to certain iran islam and israel would be enemies. For al the two most agressive and therefor influencual tribes in islam the wahabites and salafists are since the start run by jewish families and therefor all of islam also.

    Also take iran. That had already 1900 BP drilling for oil and was all of coldwar in cia (Read jew) hands and with the going of the sjah they very certain did not give up any power after al those decades and rather even became more into power because of their possibilities to can do that through all their channels. Saudi arabia is also owned by them for 600 years now.

  15. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 5:15 am

    2 Added warning

    What the Device concerns be Carefull. When loaded it Easily Carries 100 KA 100.000 Amperes. And if You have ever Seen a shortage of with just 500 A Fuses secured Nets ( Your Housenet is usually just 10 to 16 Amps) it is frightening and Lifethreatening damaging when such Ring instantly vaporises by transitions at such huge loads and creates exploding metalvaporclouds of 10.000 °C. Also it erases tapes harddisks rfids creditcards and what above Said and Warned for already. So wrong use causes major damages. And now I Think of it. Likely it can be used for Energystorages.

  16. Didi  June 8, 2012 at 5:14 am

    Added warning

    What the Device concerns be Carefull. When loaded it Easily Carries 100 KA 100.000 Amperes. And if You have ever Seen a shortage of with just 500 A Fuses secured Nets ( Your Housenet is usually just 10 to 16 Amps) it is frightening and Lifethreatening damaging when such Ring instantly vaporises by transitions at such huge loads and creates exploding metalvaporclouds of 10.000 °C. Also it erases tapes harddisks rfids creditcards and what above Said and Warned for already. So wrong use causes major damages. And now I Think of it. Likely it can be used for Energystorages.

  17. roger  June 7, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    John G, I celebrate that you come with proper pro know-how assistance.-
    As a possibility yes, as a probability it is not practical.- Where In Germany was a Type 21 vintage in sailing conditions hidden from sight after so many years, has no answer. Germany doesn´t have a coast with high cliffs where a submarine pen could be excavated.-
    Surrendered 21s were either sunk in operation “Deadlight” and the remaining allocated to US, UK, France and the URSS, their fate is well known, as after trials or a brief service were either scrapped or expended as targets.-
    The only one remaining intact it is the depicted former U-2540 later “Wilhelm Bauer” today a museum ship.-
    You should know better what 70 years can do to a submarine hull, and worst if we include the possibility that it was a scuttled unit, and stood for a long time filled with salt water.-
    No matter how clever could be German shipyards, the latter possibility couldn´t have passed unnoticed, besides, many suppliers of wartime parts have already disappeared.-
    As you said, 21″ tubes are the ones that “Tomahawks” are launched by.- But for a vertical tube to be installed in a 21 Type, considering that a standing Granit is taller than the 21 diameter, it really
    calls a lot of imaginative engineering if protrusions are streamlined to not impair the sub´s performance.-
    In any case, considering the hypothesis that the plan is real and taking into account the legenday jewish self-preservation instinct to have the crew confident of returning to base, it would have been much more easier to have the new “Dolphin” subs already modified for nearly 3´diameter tubes, to
    accomodate Granits, as Tomahawks could be launched from the 21″ regular ones.-
    Also, let´s not forget that the Tomahawk nearly doubles the range of the Granit and have a nuclear
    warhead, so the decision could be a trade of range for speed, nevertheless, current SAMs can deal
    with supersonic targets.-

  18. xx  June 7, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Bill,

    I believe you are Senior Electrical Engineer, so this message is for you. I am sorry to place in this format, but its that important. I have traveled all across the globe working on technology projects, with high exposure to advanced research, much of which is unknown. Think magnetic motor, generator, super conductive material, generator that requires no fuel. I have seen this, the secret is the cam, think clearly. Magnetic conduction, it needs to be exposed, because it changes everything. This is being hidden from you, good luck friend. Good luck. I hope you understand,

  19. OperationRedPill.com Staff  June 6, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    fixed 🙂 sorry about that Didi!

    Sorry about the overflow Jim, Deb, Gordon or “whomever it may concern”.

  20. Didi  June 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    “”that Merkel was an agent of some kind, a handmaiden of the secret societies””

    Yes I can confirm by Own research merkel belongs to global banksterelite aka nobility aka incestbranche of asian li clan(loeb lubbers berlusconi dirupo and possibly many more names) that is top and oldest sourche of al later from them derived incestfamilies. Her earlier true name is volksman and has got a brother as dutch president mark rutte and very likely from old every so now and then namechanghing elite that came with the wars from Poland.

    To My knowledge all Goverments institutions services and secret services are in their hands and even set uo by them to can enslave and abuse Us for many centuries now.

    The li are from the kublai khan that overrun China 1000 years ago already and from there they abuse the World as plunder rape and harvestgrounds and these again came from the faraos that were 2800 ago thrown out of afrika by a kontinental upraising of the People.

    Even the VN EU NATO media tv politics and from anarchism up to communism and democracy religions christianity and many more including all banking they brought under their control or did set them up to can abuse Us in chronic confusion and Looking at the wrong things the wrong causes. At the same time murdering and massacering among eachother also.

    From the start they created the civilisations as We Know them today and Ours ceased to exist when they came with their massrapes and tortures massacers and crusades where in We were abused to fight exactly like We now are luered for their own bennefits into Irak Libia Afghanistan.

    And after every conquer they formed a upperlayer shadowsociety upon the Natives that are thrown into lowest layers of Own Societies as whores and slaves. Al democracy all banking all media all religion all historywritings a cosmic scam where We lived in with out ever Knowing but paying and bleeding alone in false guilt and false accusations.

    Even all statesdeficits are because of their chronic plunders and abuse of states and industries and also are to keep Us imprisoned in deficits toward them.

    Also they suffered under several many millenia old Brainwashes by their faraos and were programmed to exterminate Mankind. But that seems to be Solved Now. Besides since 8000 years they were only and last Humans on Earth and were in Fact biting their own tails. You als Originate from Them.

  21. Didi  June 6, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Ah hello redpillmoderator

    Here as you did not Publish it at your site. Why ?

    ………//

    And Some Thoughts for terroristcultures and religions

    operationredpill.com/?p=869
    Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.
    “” and we have the right to say, at the price of the 3,000 year old fear: “If you force us yet again to descend from the face of the Earth to the depths of the Earth – let the Earth roll toward the Nothingness.”””

    He is Very Wrong. The darkness he refers to is the abys of the living dead. A state of being as consequense of Childrapes as the jew king herod also commited in Bethlehem and they themselfes without knowlegde are doing as culture by Child abuses and raping and torturing People and circumcisions what already are severe and deep forms of raping the True Being of the People and Mankind. And by drowning Newborns to break Their True Beautifull and Piecefull Cooperative Spirit to make Them slaves and whores for their rulers and industry

    The of that born fears and hate beyond the hights of Heaven they projected onto Innocents and even Newborns and Children and The One Who Stands Next to Them GOD.

    All they Fear all they hate ALWAYS was of their own doing by rape and violence. It is in the Souls NOT in the World.

    The True Spirits of Human Beings You once Called Shenandoah when You Found the by GOD Raised and Transformed and once from your own tribes split of People back 13 millenia ago in Europe.

    Only Way of Ending this is Healing of the traumata and complexes of Your People that came from this. They turned and twisted Good and evil live and death and saw the Light of Our Life as the cheol and the Love of GOD as the devil because Love of the Free Spirit was made taboo by their rulers kings and religions to can make whores slaves servants and soldiers of them with an broken obeying spirit. As all these rulers and kings were themselfes also born as such and graved because of that for allmighty power over all Life but were their own cause and took the circel of doom as solution by more violence and rapes and made it worse every generation.

    And Not they are the sourche of all problems also but that is much older and anihilated all of Mankind for endless times.

    Maby this Will Give You Some Idea about the cosmic problems that Mankind is Suffering under as far as Your Believes Can Carry You?

    To My Knowledge GOD is the Creator of AL and Himself.

    Gabriel is Lord of ALL Life

    Christ or Iodem is Lord of Mankind

    Christ or Iodem Was Created by GOD 100.000 Years Ago to Help Mankind Withstand the evil They were cursed with from the unhappy start of Their Species What was No plan or wish from GOD But They were invisible to His Eye by an anomaly they created emanating from Their unhappy Lives and They were lost and had wandered of the Road that Was Good for Them into ethernal war violences and rapes.

    A Part of that Mankind Not Originating from This Earth But a Planet in the outer regions was Discovered 100.000 Years ago on Earth and Transformed by GOD. And That went Good for about 83.000 Years. But 13.000 years ago the rest of old Mankind came from behind the ice and brought a flood of darkness and Sinn the Universe Never Seen befor and All went dark again.

    That is Known in Your Mythologies as the Deluge Götterdämmerung and Ragnarok. The Deluge Never was a flood of Water But a flood of Sinn evil violence and Darkness that wiped Us and Our Souls out Like Butterflies in a Hurricane. Creation fell apart.Our Souls anihilated and GOD died.

    Noah My Beloved Took the last 25.004 that flood of evil Surviving Israelites 8000 Years Ago to a Better Place far beyond Orion And Came Back for Old Mankind to Raise Them in GOD and Bring The Light of Life And the Love of GOD to Them as Was Done Befor. And 3000 Years Ago Gabriel Came and Fell for GOD into the Abyss for Noah Could not Manage the cheer evil upon Him. And 200 Years Ago GOD Himself Came to Earth What He Used to Do Every 30.000 Years but This Time Sooner for He Felt the Last Love Died on Earth.

    He Poured His Being out Over Life And Mankind and Started Sinking into that abyss to Where the Lost Children Lived.

    He Became One With Them One of Them And Raised Them And All Creation of Death into His Being into Life And the Love of GOD to Give Them a Better Life With Out violence or Fear in Trust We LOVE!

    An End to 3 million years of Darkness for Mankind Will Come And GOD WILL LOVE YOU!

  22. Didi  June 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Btw it is of Course NOT Germany Those Poor People BUT as in the Case of trilliondollarthief dov zakhein at pentagon also smuggled militairy equipment into israel a Case of a jew guttenberg that abused German State and his Duty.

  23. Steve  June 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Then maybe you should have a higher standard of evidence before putting out stuff (without even a decent disclaimer) that puts Germany in the toilet of nations again, based mostly on far fetched rumours and ‘intel’ gossip. When you start talking about ‘acts of war’ you are contributing to the sort of prop that got Germany hammered to rubble before, with up to 20 million dead all told (both times together). Goddamn you of all people ought to know better.

  24. Steve  June 6, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    So you credit the Spiegel article where it suits your new line, but not when they say that Israel built the missiles? Whilst I am no expert on the tech, the idea that Israel could do it does not seem far fetched, they are high tech, and good at ‘sourcing’ info they don’t have to make up the gap. And Spiegel claims they just upgraded a model already in existence, where’s the “no way” about that?

  25. Steve  June 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    I agree in some ways they have gone overboard, Merkel’s statement about Germany existing to guarantee Israel’s security was stupid, as even a former left Chancellor I think recently said in slightly more diplomatic terms. Even the Israelis must have laughed at that. But regarding the subs, 5 were approved by former admins, Merkel’s has added only one, it’s a bipartisan policy there, and clearly on account of what the Nazis did to the Jews, which was pretty bad, regardless of contested details. Don’t forget Germany has to be careful with its image now, its economy depends on it. But again, the main concrete reason for this state is US policy since Wilson, which put Germany under the boot, where otherwise it could have held its own just about. What I object to is this turning the tables of truth to make out that Germany is now the arch villain, based on unsubstantiated and frankly ridiculous rumors, beyond what is in the Spiegel article. That’s wrong, and it stinks.

  26. xx  June 6, 2012 at 11:57 am

    socialsynergyl,

    I don’t mean to criticize, and do apologize.

    There’s always a solution, and it this starts with slow demilitarization, and converting this apparatus into rescue and aid operations. For the purpose of food supplies, rebuilding, and creating commerce and self dependency. This is possible? As more disasters occur we should be focused on the recovery process, because each disaster affects all. There is continuity within global communities, and this is not well understood. But every disaster has some affect on every person, and maybe complex to visualize this global dependency.

    What does demilitarization mean? It means slowing down the arms process and converting this machine into a useful apparatus to assist communities around the world. If this is not possible, then all humans are in dire trouble. When you provide assistance and are more concerned with health and welfare, then it’s less likely you’re attacked, because there’s less reason. Technology needs to be redirected toward health and welfare, and non destructive means. If as humans, we are not intelligent enough to understand the above; it won’t be military machines controlling the peoples of this earth. It will be disasters that are “non recoverable”. Each and all affect everyone, so if we can’t teach ourselves to think and believe in another way, the consequences of our actions should be obvious.

    If too complicated to understand, or draft a plan, propose internationally, and take action? Then the result should be obvious, and as disasters become more and more difficult to recover, then at some time, recovery won’t be possible. And eventually this will cause extinction, and can easily be calculated.

    And that’s all. I can write a complex paper based on the above, but no longer have the time. There’s always a solution to any problem, however, there’s less time spent solving the problems then “re-inventing” them? And so the cycle continues…have a good life.

  27. Didi  June 6, 2012 at 10:05 am

    “”that Merkel was an agent of some kind, a handmaiden of the secret societies””

    Yes I can confirm by Own research merkel belongs to global banksterelite aka nobility aka incestbranche of asian li clan(loeb lubbers berlusconi dirupo and possibly many more names) that is top and oldest sourche of al later from them derived incestfamilies. Her earlier true name is volksman and has got a brother as dutch president mark rutte and very likely came with the wars from Poland.

    To My knowledge all Goverments institutions services and secret services are in their hands and even set uo by them to can enslave and abuse Us for many centuries now.

    The li are from the kublai khan that overrun China 1000 years ago already and from there they abuse the World as plunder rape and harvestgrounds and these again came from the faraos that were 2800 ago thrown out of afrika by a kontinental upraising of the People.

    Even the VN EU NATO media tv politics and from anarchism up to communism and democracy religions christianity and many more including all banking they brought under their control or did set them up to can abuse Us in chronic confusion and Looking at the wrong things the wrong causes.

    From the start they created the civilisations as We Know them today and Ours ceased to exist when they came with their massrapes and tortures massacers and crusades where in We were abused to fight exactly like We now are luered for their own bennefits into Irak Libia Afghanistan.

    And after every conquer they formed a upperlayer shadowsociety upon the Natives that are thrown into lowest layers of Own Societies as whores and slaves. Al democracy all banking all media all religion all historywritings a cosmic scam where We lived in with out ever Knowing but paying and bleeding alone in false guilt and false accusations.

    Even all statesdeficits are because of their chronic plunders and abuse of states and industries and also are to keep Us imprisoned in deficits toward them.

    Also they suffered under several many millenia old Brainwashes by their faraos and were programmed to exterminate Mankind. But that seems to be Solved Now. Besides since 8000 years they were only and last Humans on Earth and were in Fact biting their own tails. You als Originate from Them.

  28. OperationRedPill.com Staff  June 6, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Check out our latest on Israel’s Samson Option by our writer, Prometheus – http://operationredpill.com/?p=869 Worthy of VT? 🙂

  29. xx  June 5, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Everything has an “infrastructure”, it’s whether or not you can fit all the pieces together.

  30. Didi  June 5, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    The Soviets said they were “scrap” but 22 years later, North Korea is still using them, one having recently sunk, in 2010, a South Korean ship:””

    I am Sorry for your analysis but the N koreans had those subs for decades and waited for israel to get six subs donated by german jew guttenberg of defence in 2009 befor they supposedly sunk the vessel?
    A bit odd for a militant highlevel Oldboyswebsite not Knowing israel is behind any hate and fearseedings attacks and false flagterrorism as about only party in the world because no one else is having bennefits of such actions than damages themselfes so will not do such stupid things. Even in their scumbag daily newsmedia you can See for yourself what they are up to.

    I am Not able to buy your version.

    Maby this Could Help against rockets also?

    “”EMP Waepons are Easy to Create

    Take a Copper ring soak it in liquid Nitrogen and when it reaches cryogenic abiltity energize it with oneway electric pulses

    Let the Nitrogen vaporise and when the Ring warms up the transition of warming up at some Point wil Create an EMP Puls

    Dependant if the Ring is loaded with a destructie or non destructive load it Can be Chosen to make a onetime or reusable Device

    Also any common satellitedisk Can be Used if the Copperring is put in Focus of Dish and a Beamdevice is Created that also Wil Help reducing collatoral damages and Targetisolation and expand Reach

    This way crates of EMP Weapons Can Easily be Created for a Penny and a Dime

    For transport beware to use transportation with dieselmotor or or one time use RC Planes or Copters or have the Ring released and dropped to Prevent frying the electronics. During fall the Ring warms up and if Lucky the Transporter is out of reach of Pulse while warming up falling and Will Create a Pulse

    Tools used by terrorists and criminals can be put out of duty like servers media tv and radiostations newspapers databases datacenters communications cars and planes boats rockets weapons buildings computers gsm´s radar cctv houseinstallations militairy electricity and used for surface to surface and surface to airdefence etc and transportation banks stockmarkets offices and goverments in terroriststates

    Beware handling such energies and cryogenic materials can be very dangerous and do Serious damage to Health surroundings wheelchairs hospitals pacemakers. So do Not use it when People are in the Zone. China last year took out a us planecarrier with such device so indeed nothing to play around with and Can Wisely Chosen make a Huge Difference.””

  31. Didi  June 5, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    “”The Soviets said they were “scrap” but 22 years later, North Korea is still using them, one having recently sunk, in 2010, a South Korean ship:””

    I am Sorry for your analysis but the N koreans had those subs for decades and waited for israel to get six subs donated by german jew guttenberg of defence in 2009 befor they supposedly sunk the vessel?
    A bit odd for a militant highlevel Oldboyswebsite not Knowing israel is behind any hate and fearseedings attacks and false flagterrorism as about only party in the world because no one else is having bennefits of such actions than damages themselfes so will not do such stupid things. Even in their scumbag daily newsmedia you can See for yourself what they are up to.

    I am Not able to buy your version.

    Maby this Could Help against rockets also?

    “”EMP Waepons are Easy to Create

    Take a Copper ring soak it in liquid Nitrogen and when it reaches cryogenic abiltity energize it with oneway electric pulses

    Let the Nitrogen vaporise and when the Ring warms up the transition of warming up at some Point wil Create an EMP Puls

    Dependant if the Ring is loaded with a destructie or non destructive load it Can be Chosen to make a onetime or reusable Device

    Also any common satellitedisk Can be Used if the Copperring is put in Focus of Dish and a Beamdevice is Created that also Wil Help reducing collatoral damages and Targetisolation and expand Reach

    This way crates of EMP Weapons Can Easily be Created for a Penny and a Dime

    For transport beware to use transportation with dieselmotor or or one time use RC Planes or Copters or have the Ring released and dropped to Prevent frying the electronics. During fall the Ring warms up and if Lucky the Transporter is out of reach of Pulse while warming up falling and Will Create a Pulse

    Tools used by terrorists and criminals can be put out of duty like servers media tv and radiostations newspapers databases datacenters communications cars and planes boats rockets weapons buildings computers gsm´s radar cctv houseinstallations militairy electricity and used for surface to surface and surface to airdefence etc and transportation banks stockmarkets offices and goverments in terroriststates

    Beware handling such energies and cryogenic materials can be very dangerous and do Serious damage to Health surroundings wheelchairs hospitals pacemakers. So do Not use it when People are in the Zone. China last year took out a us planecarrier with such device so indeed nothing to play around with and Can Wisely Chosen make a Huge Difference.””

  32. xx  June 5, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    If you don’t stop the fire cracker, you may not be able to determine it’s origin. Or the ones responsible for the plan, but thanks for your assessment. Old saying, plug the holes in the ship first before it sinks, then find the ones who caused the damage. However, if a distraction is required, will give you a call. “Cheerio old boy”, now that’s interesting, the remaining is a riddle with no meaning.

  33. Allen L Roland  June 5, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Zbigniew Brzezinski appropriate quote from the Grand Chessboard ~
    “…To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.” (p.40)

  34. The Rahnameh  June 5, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Gordon, are you sure you want to me to guess where you got that Mars NASA info from? I’ve been ruining magician shows since I was 3. lol

  35. socialsynergyl  June 5, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    xx – you assessment is rather amateurish – a dime a dozen cheap annalist style -information is meaningless if you don’t understand what you are viewing -chuckle– it reminds me of “old empire tactics” – very third rate at best. What you assert is nothing more then the control side of a “scheme”. You “miss the entire point” of it. What you described is the “tool” that third parties -often much “smaller third parties” use to control 1,2,3 – 12 circus shows – each circus believing in the show, the tent and each other -but completely oblivious to the entire point of it all – or the man that sits behind the curtain so to speak. Why do to someone – what they will do to themselves? Your assessment misses the entire point of the “game” -you identify part of it, but fail to understand the whole. Why do you think Europe, UK, and America …others too, are in so much trouble? Because they think, act and behave – exactly how you described -like puppets. Much like the mark in a con but the mark thinks he is the con -but the mark is the one being conned -willingly -like a fool. Its a very natural human flaw that makes this possible and easy to take advantage of – individual, group -entire nations are duped in the same way. You need to understand the maker of the firecracker and the why – because any fool can be made to be the one that throws the firecracker -the thrower is meaningless, a puppet too – usually empowered by the ones that fear the firecracker – around and around like a dog chasing their tail. Its very much like a psychological perpetual motion machine – all made possible by the simplest base emotions of people. This scenario plays out in groups, amongst groups large and small – like some giant undulating fractal. The “maker” that sets this sort of thing in motion can die long before the end game is realized -so you may never find the man behind the curtain – because they would already be dead – unfortunately by the very nature of such deviance – the game doesn’t end with the death of any one entity – it ends when the people getting duped – refuse to play the game that is not in their interest to play – the trouble is the longer it goes on the more radical decisions and actions that are needed to break the cycle. But this is a problem – the wrong change too fast can be as equally as bad – as letting the game play out. Now thats a rock and a hard place. Cheerio old boy

  36. xx  June 5, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    James,

    Excellent,
    Germany, Russia, and China made pack (3) agreement in mid 2000’s in Beijing. I don’t know all the details, but another one of those back room deals. British spies as leaders, I believe it will take at least another 50 years before most people figure this out. But then, you don’t rule countries with armies, you rule them with spies.

  37. normdealbq2  June 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Where did the Germans get the Nuclear weapons,are they making them,and if so,why??

  38. Detlef Reimers  June 5, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Gordon, please be correct and precise here and also say, why. Only presenting facts doesn’t give the whole picture. We really have to learn more about interrelationships, mutual dependencies and real power structures.

    If any of these peculiar subjects are too dangerous, there should be other ways to leak this out through VT.

  39. Detlef Reimers  June 5, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Dave, I can assure you, that’s right. There is one big difference though: we are NOT allowed here to speek about this problem openly, otherwise you’re sacked or inprisoned (everytime, you really get near to the historical facts).

    This makes discussions in german forums quite boring and useless, nowadays – everyone fears to be stalked from the well known crowd.

  40. xx  June 5, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Do you know the difference between an MI6 and Lord? An MI6 attempts to accomplish tasks at the lowest possible cost, which is zero. However, a Lord throws money like a bone to a dog, already expecting the dog to be trained. My trainer has given me the last warning, so look closer and discover more. Good day.

  41. Subvet416  June 5, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    The U-boat in the photo is obviously a carefully preserved museum piece. Note the covered entrances fore and aft where tourists enter and depart, the ticket booth and sign and no security of any kind. This boat is not operational and this is not a naval facility. It may not even be floating, but sitting on a submerged cradle. There are no mooring lines and the boats tanks are blown dry, She sits way out of the water. Not going to sea any time soon, if ever. And worst of all, it probably doesn’t even smell like a diesel boat any more!

  42. Harold Saive  June 5, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    W”ith the press as it is, you could create “clear evidence” with a crayon….. Friggin AMEN!

  43. xx  June 5, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    How do you start riot? By getting everyone mad and angered at each other, then throwing a fire-cracker in the middle. The question is, whose holding the fire cracker. I believe someone is looking for this answer…maybe the author.

  44. xx  June 5, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    The programs targeted at the United States of course.

  45. xx  June 5, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Gordon, where did Eric go?

    I was wondering if he finally pieced together the UK>India>US connection. Hyderabad Operations. If you speak with him again, please do ask.

  46. Aletheia  June 5, 2012 at 11:38 am

    @ Uncle Gordy – this is mind boggling and at the same time very disturbing, I find. That with the sunken French air craft just never added up with the swiss-cheese-reasons (and no reasons) which were given. It sounded so mysterious which intensified my curiosity. Now I see. Thank you.

    So there is a conspiracy against America, and South Korea?-well, and Japan as a “drive-way” on the way to crashing America? Ever since the money coffers were carried yonder (China), I have been asking why, why her? It doesn’t seem to be just an endeavor to invest where a yield will be obtained. There’s something I think I’m seeing in a possible bigger picture to cripple America. Might share some day. Uncle Gordy, the “crypto issue as well as the crux of masonry” make things look quite ambiguous, it leads to an entwinement which seems to involve a number of nations/people. I think this is one of the things which make a lot seem like a maze. I’ve seen a lot of it at work now, and how it works! Think abt it, I know you can. Chances are, you’ve already thought abt it. Zionism is part and parcel of it, to a “good” extent. Please have a look at the last comment by DaveE – bull’s eye on that angle, for one.

    My prayers include you all.

  47. Gordon Duff  June 5, 2012 at 11:12 am

    sami

    israel has no such facilities

    they have no such missiles

    germany did it all for them

  48. Gordon Duff  June 5, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Bill

    totally wrong….not meaning to be contrary here.

    I am a German.

    g

  49. John G.  June 5, 2012 at 9:48 am

    roger, I served as an officer onboard two U.S. Navy nuclear subs.

    Our Mk. 48 torpedoes were 21′ long and 19” diameter. Yes, it would be a major project to lengthen and widen a torpedo tube — and weapons room, possibly — and weapons access hatch to accommodate a Granit. But, it is doable.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADCAP

    My second sub had undergone refit for multiple vertical launch tubes for Tomahawks (18′ long, 21″ diameter) in its nose. That was a major refit, and points to the feasibility of making a longer, wider special torpedo tube to accommodate a Granit.

    I am sure that such a refit would be a piece of cake for an experienced German submarine yard; the forward and aft watertight access hatches on subs are already close to the Granit’s diameter. So, you would just have to lengthen the torpedo tube and weapons loading hoists, not a minor job but eminently doable.

  50. Charlotte NC Bill  June 5, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Victor bout should know..Bout sold the Granite missile that the Israeli sub fired into the Pentagon…A global Hawk wouldn’t have reached that speed or been able to blast through all those re-inforced walls..Many witnesses sd they saw what looked like a “small commuter jet”…1/2 an hr after the attack I would have sd the same thing if i saw a Granite out of the corner of my eye…The AA scrap found on the lawn later was traced to a crash in Cali, Columbia 4 yrs before..

  51. DaveE  June 5, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Steve, all it takes is one look at Merkel and her “gang” to realize Germany has a zionist problem that’s as bad as ours, maybe worse and far more entrenched.

  52. jameshoward  June 5, 2012 at 8:36 am

    I agree with you in principle, as the subconcious effect of recent articles matches diversion and misinformation at highest levels and apologist/defender for culprits and suppressors of truth. Gordon would be great in war on drugs or discrete needs, but he is totally ineffective to lead for restoration of country, recoup the money, or get traitors out of office/power.

    Aside from the misdirection and lack of focus on big needs, he has indicated that he is Jewish (or has Jewish heritage) and his letter to Obama supported more Jews for Supreme Court (when they are already over-represented by 25 times and threaten to be a majority with next appointment, and next likely candidate supports criminalization of any question of9/11— so unthinkable, horrific advice—in circumstances where media control suppresses wisdom). And, he has linked into apparent Israeli intelligence for tid bits to serve a “shock and awe” article, while abdicating leadership for our critical needs. On top of that bad influence, I also suspect it is an ethnic thing, in same way that good Jews like Noam Chomsky discourage any look at 9/11 or Henry Makow who came late to the party (and it is exceedingly difficult to find Jews in effective forefront of 9/11 truth which is the linchpin issue for restoration). Maybe 1% might be somewhere, but even their presence is suppressed (as I do not see it). Apologists overlook the fact of virtual complete tribal support for cover up of 9/11 truth, and that truth in any form adverse to a tribal member has traditionally invoked complete “ruination” for any honest American critic (whether Patton, MacArthur or Nixon or whoever)–and now extends to laws.

    We need support of that 1%. And beyond question, all neocons should be
    removed from government and quasi-government service immediately. With that as the proper and anticipated focus, allegiances will be clearer; and hopefully a loyal mainstream media established.
    Americans need a leader and a media outlet, and I think most of the VT staff is on issue. As I have implied before, I believe that G would be greatest with a mentor. He has many great qualities.

    On 9/11, I see the big picture and many of the possibilities; so I do not get upset with alternative details. But I think the photos in the immediate Pentagon aftermath are more supportive of a Global Hawk than a cruise missile. Recall the big wing tip, tail tip under blue tarp, maybe 14 feet long and 4 to 5 feet at wide end and maybe 2 feet at tip? And recall the crumpled Cessna like near foil like skin? I do not see either in the photo of the suspected cruise missile; and it does not really matter to me; except that it is not close factually.

  53. The Rahnameh  June 5, 2012 at 8:16 am

    We’re talking sub tech, where as you know, for instance, the SW developer is compartmentalized to creating a pop-up window in one particular screen of a certain module after passing “stringent clearance standards”. If there’s a certain level of secrecy when it pertains to other aspects of the military, sub tech is in the upper echelons of SHHHHH. I’m sure you have your ins. But even they may “not know”. The subs have become useful tools for only a few “in the know”. They’re far worse than any broken arrows.

    What existed then was 70 years ago. It would seem unrealistic that these subs are still functioning under those specs. Of course, improved firing systems require a technician with ingrained Israeli know-how…so, therefore, an Israeli technician at Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft *wipes nose*. Sorry, allergy season. 😉

    Subs are overcomplicated. They’re just casings with the proper hydraulics to do what you need. Like cars, you can gut em and customize em. Of course, they’re very complicated cars. Over 70 years, imagine the various types of refinement you can do.

    I hardly buy the bit people on the net are trying to sell that Israel’s navy tech is embryonic. It takes a chimpanzee to reverse engineer given the right tools and software.

  54. Sami Jamil Jadallah  June 5, 2012 at 7:20 am

    it is so interesting that Germany is part of the nuclear talks with Iran and is the one that is most outspoken…Israel made nuclear Iran a central issue in world politics with the US, France, England and Germany tagging along, wasting much efforts when these efforts can be used to solve real issues at home.. Germany not only gave Israel these subs, but made NO condition for their use or abuse.. and of course as Der Speigel mentioned, Israel equiped these subs with nuclear missiles.. now that is hypocracy at its best.. Iran is not a nuclear weapon country and I believe what it says… The West wants only a Jewish nuclear bombs within the heart of the Arab Middle East… we all know why?

  55. Charlotte NC Bill  June 5, 2012 at 4:12 am

    add to that; 4. Not calling Franco’s bluff and not marching across Spain to take Gibraltar fm both sides..goehring KNEW it had to be done…As much as I like Franco the more I have to view him as a damn ingrate…Without German air power against the Commie scum he would have been swinging fm a rope…( courtesy of the “American” Abraham Lincoln brigade..)….

  56. Charlotte NC Bill  June 5, 2012 at 4:06 am

    yeah, I believe more and more he was a trojan horse..With even his real father’s identity a mystery ( and his mother working as a maid in the house of King Khazar himself..) A lot of things: 1. allowing the UK/Canadian forces to leave dunkirk…any American pres. would have sd ” you have 24 hrs to surrender or be annhilated”..2. The vichy agreement tha kept all French vessels docked when they could have been used to seal off gibraltar and control the Med…3. Invading the USSR..and/or not pulling back fm stalingrad before losing so many men and material..

  57. PhilipShahak  June 5, 2012 at 4:04 am

    Thanks, Gordon. It was Israel. You didn’t say it but I have.
    This makes sense considering everything else we know about Israel/Synagogue of Satan involvement in 9/11.
    Best regards.

  58. Charlotte NC Bill  June 5, 2012 at 3:59 am

    “Germany” exists, really exists, as much as the C.S.A. does..in reality “Germany” is still an occupied country doing the bidding of the “victors” of WW II..( really only the Soviets, zionists and the illuminati who run the entire “show”-and had decided the outcome of the war before it even began-actually “won” anything..)…The Germans have been the real victims for the past 100 yrs…Manipulated into aiding Austria-Hungary…the Versailles “Treaty” and reparations…the installation of that bastard trojan horse Austrian corporal into high leadership…Eisenhower/Churchill’s actual campaign of genocide…

  59. Steve  June 5, 2012 at 2:51 am

    Pathetic, now I am being censored here for pointing out the gaping holes in this anti-German hate fantasy. One which doesn’t even quote a key part of the article, regarding the source of the missiles –

    “Insiders say that the Israeli defense technology company Rafael built the missiles for the nuclear weapons option. Apparently it involves a further development of cruise missiles of the Popeye Turbo SLCM type, which are supposed to have a range of around 1,500 kilometers (940 miles) and which could reach Iran with a warhead weighing up to 200 kilograms (440 pounds). The nuclear payload comes from the Negev Desert, where Israel has operated a reactor and an underground plutonium separation plant in Dimona since the 1960s. The question of how developed the Israeli cruise missiles are is a matter of debate. Their development is a complex project, and the missiles’ only public manifestation was a single test that the Israelis conducted off the coast of Sri Lanka.”

    So it’s alright to post complete garbage falsely and baselessly blaming and defaming Germany for all the world’s ills just about, but not to stand up for the truth. Utterly disgusting – this site has gone completely down the drain, and become some sort of a whacko propaganda mouthpiece for the most bizarre crap cooked up in fevered brains lacking any sense of accuracy or balance, to push God knows what agenda.

    What a bloody disgrace. Congratulations on graduating to Disinfo Central. You make me puke.

  60. tomasestrada-palma  June 5, 2012 at 12:52 am

    All governments steal from the people then buy the weapons that will kill the people. Proof that those in control are inbred madmen is the notion that they can pull off a controlled genocide. Once that genie is debottled anything goes. So many unintended variables will result that everything and everyone will be overwhelmed. The global crime families that start such a nutty scheme will sadly discover that during the ensuing melee, while they are occupied some other powers or former allies will take the opportunity to slit their throats.

  61. Preston James, Ph.D  June 5, 2012 at 12:28 am

    This story has legs, like it or not. This is the kind of secret deal that the US Shadow Govt is often involved in. Like it or not, it’s a fact that in the world of int’l illegal drug and weapons trafficking, many counter-intuitive relationships are exposed as facts become revealed over time.

    Take for example the Iran Contra matter where the shadow govt made a pre-election “back channel” agreement between Mullahs and US intel officials (if you can imagine that for major incompatibility and mutual disgust at first glance) to exchange missiles for US hostages imprisoned in Iran, but only after the presidential election, thus making Pres. Carter look weak. This alliance between these incompatible enemies posed a difficult barrier to understanding how this intel deal went down. But it is a good example of how deals are made frequently in back room and by back channels for the “greater good” (their perspective, better described as “greater evil”) which is to establish and maintain power and wealth by waging war as a first set of societal goals. And eugenics plays a major rationalization for these occult based systems of belief and power, and that’s pretty incredulous too. To understand how this works one must be able to connect the dots even if they are completely counter-intuitive. Gordon Duff is a master at this.

    Or take the example of Hitler and Borman, both actually British spies after being “conditioned” in the UK prewar. Hitler at the Tavistock Institute in 1921, and Borman later. Both he as well as Hess had surgically matched Doppelgangers as do most top rulers. This is a well known phenomena (source: Greg Hallett’s classic book, Hitler Was A British Agent”, filled with information deep from within the MI-5 & 6 files. Or The Grey Ghost, another view of Hitler’s escape leaving a dead Doppelganger. Conclusion is that wars are pre-arranged in back rooms between those who control so-called “enemy states”. Yes, the progress can be variable and much treachery occurs at times, but wars are negotiated, ended while still continued in alterbnate forms by int’l merchant banksters and rulers of interlocked occult based death cults for desired geopolitical consequences and profit. This grim reality of the super-elite’s recognition that war powers and waged war are the glue that hold society together and guarentee their power, and this is well described in the Iron Mountain Report, a real report which has been suppressed and labeled as a novel.

    Thanks, Gordon for another very fine article. Whether all the specifics about how the cruise missile hit the pentagon are accurate or not, so far the part of the story that such a hit did occur does make good sense overall. And none of the various aspects of the 911 attacks or this particular arms deal could have gone down without complete support by the high command of the USAF and the Shadow Govt. and use of the “elephant in the living room” as a main cutout to provide deniability for the USG.

  62. Gordon Duff  June 5, 2012 at 12:15 am

    yes, they bought nukes

    mike harris broke the story..contact him,

    g

  63. Gordon Duff  June 5, 2012 at 12:14 am

    guess…..as you don’t have the security classification for an answer

    which, in itself is an answer

    anger at another agency pissing away funds

    g

  64. Gordon Duff  June 5, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Talked with Captain Fehler 5 years after his death. We were trying to get navy permission for recovery of her sunken sister ship. The 234 was not sunk, her sister ship was…filled with bearer bonds.

    Long story.

  65. Gordon Duff  June 5, 2012 at 12:06 am

    expanded version of the Type 21 had 3 silos to launch VI rockets on them.

    versions of the 21 built in late 44, early 45 were very capable, radar equipped, diesel operation under water

    full snorkel

  66. The Rahnameh  June 4, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Not impossible, however, to launch just one from a Type 21 when the Oscar II carries about 24 of them. But even so, note to all: be more Astute as well. 😉

    U214s sold as 212s – no one should be ready to rule off Israels’ many other avenues of armament or nitpick the modus operandi instead of giving focus to feasibility over probability.

  67. roger  June 4, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Dear Mr Duff:
    The “Granit” cruise missile is vertically launched from the “Oscar” class submarines which have about six times the tonnage of Type 21 sub.-
    Just to see the sheer size of the “Granit”, about 32´ in length and nearly 3´ in diameter it makes a very difficult proposition, to say the the least, to load it and launch it from the Type 21.-
    The submarine depicted in the photo is indeed a type 21, the only one extant, and exhibited as a museum is the “Wilhelm Bauer”.-
    As the range of the “Granit” is 400 miles, it might be much easier for Israel to obtain “Tomahawks” from the USA which nearly double the “Granit”´s range and can be launched from the “Dolphin”´s from regular torpedo tubes, and can have a nuclear warhead.-
    Israel has the “Popeye” gliding bomb with nearly a 100 miles range as an ASM so, the “Maverick” missile
    depicted it is just for delivery against tanks or small targets.-
    Although the core of your information might be true, the details are way off the technical viability
    to be considered as a probability.-
    As I suspect, there might be plenty of USN veterans that can be consulted on the matter before it was published which is a pity and that can atest if I am wrong in my observations.-
    Please, have in mind that I share your position in several of your articles regarding Israel, but wrong
    informing does a disservice to our American and Christian cause.-

  68. Justin Kennedy  June 4, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Nothing will change unless Americans revolt against their government. Just electing an independent President won’t be enough.The people in power like things just the way they are. It will only get worse until we start over. If people don’t have the stomach for real change, then accept your fate.

  69. Gordon Duff  June 4, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Did bin Ladin have a German submarine?

    Think Ferkel was one of his wives?

    You know, if you are Muslim, having a “Ferkel” around the house isn’t kosher.

  70. Gordon Duff  June 4, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Oddly, google seems to have “steppped in it”

  71. The Rahnameh  June 4, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Hey, 90 meters to home plate, I believe
    it’s a real bomb, Spirit!
    !gas laer a s’ti +

    BOOM
    Fires Rain!
    Bah, salt everywhere…

    I am the worst person to have in the audience of ANY magic show. 🙂

  72. The Rahnameh  June 4, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Gordon, the last part made laugh — where the hell did the aquarium info come from? NASA also reportedly “discovered new life” on the Obama renewed Bush’s tax cuts for his masters, the arsenic bacteria.

    When it come to lying to the public, the deception is done like one big magic trick. “Look at the sky! the moon! the stars! and that cloud!…you see that cloud? It’s a pony, no — a dog. What did you have for breakfast? Did you have a drink as well? Oh and by the way, who’s Elaine?”

    Then the magician shows the stunned man that he has the man’s phone, which was sitting in his back pocket. Theft turned into a prank, one that required a simple diversion of attention.

    First rule of deception: multitasking is a myth. Biologically, humans can only focus on one thing at a time. This is how all magic works. Also, jokes. Comedy is the art of surprises, sometimes by simple disclosure of the truth. Note how I mentioned I laughed at the last part of your article about the aquarium.

    Now, as for Iran, one should ask how it is that anyone ASSUMED Iran would develop nuclear weapons rather than simply purchase them if this made sense for the Iranian strategy?

    By the way, it really doesn’t make sense to Iran’s strategy to even have nukes. We are talking about a State smaller than the size of New Jersey, divided up into Swiss Cheese by a militant settlement population and occupied Palestinians. They can’t even put out medium sized forest fires or beat Hezbollah, an Iran supported militia without an air force, army, or navy. In other words, they can’t even beat Iran’s proxy without having to withdraw in failure.

    Even the least politically savvy person would first guess that Iran had already bought nukes rather than tried to slowly build them. They are an oil rich nation.

  73. PhilipShahak  June 4, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    There have been a number of articles in VT claiming that it was a ‘Granit’ that hit the Pentagon and I am sure that is was. However, I have yet to read who fired the bloody thing. The US, Israel or did come out of a cave in Afghanistan?

  74. joesigur  June 4, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    I take my life in my hands everytime I come here, or so the sign says!

  75. Detlef Reimers  June 4, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    This is it, the “real one”, Gordon hits the nail with this expose! Here, he summed up and put together so many of the puzzle peaces of the international doomsday kabal, that one has to read it twice to face and realize all this unbeleveable crime and darkness.

    This article is so sharply formulated and precise in it’s analysis, that there is mostly nothing to add, perhaps beside this little addon:

    Guess, why Munich/Germany is the place where the NATO security conferences take place. It’s always nice to feel at home!

    Thanks Gordon, I waited long for this confirmation, your timing was perfect.

  76. CoJonesGrandes  June 4, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    LOL!
    I love that aquarium story.

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