Okay, for the record, before I lose my scalp: I personally have never seen a UFO. I have never been “contacted”, much less abducted. I don’t believe in little green men. I think the idea of invisible “greys” among us is loony. The notion that a “highly advanced society” of non-earthlings is planning a humanitarian visit to lift us onto a “higher plane of ethical awareness” is baloney.
However, I do believe that several governments, including the U.S., are up to their ears in covert UFO projects that are blacker than black and off every radar. I also believe that people with guilty consciences have every reason to fear UFOs. I think their fear controls what we are not to see or know – and that the prime Weapon of Mass Deception is ridicule of the fiercest, most ferocious kind against anyone who asks for information and disclosure. Their fear is palpable. Why is that?
In my youth I lived in several countries in South America. I know for a fact that after World War II there were two countries – Chile and Argentina – that offered shelter and protection to German scientists who had worked on space exploration. Under Peron, particularly, there was a lot of sympathy for Germans.
I am open to the possibility – not certainty! – that there exists a colony of German science expats somewhere on a near planet, perhaps even on the back side of the moon. I don’t know any specifics, so don’t come to me for additional info – I cannot help you there. But I am curious, and so should you be. Look for the William Pavelec interview on youtube about U.S. black projects on UFOs to get a whiff of what could possibly be true.
So, when I read that there exists a European movie maker team who is in post-production about a film depicting a return of “Moon Nazis”, it naturally piqued my interest. I contacted Timo Vuorensola, the director, on behalf of Veterans Today to see what they were up to.
Sit back and relax. Don’t blame Gordon Duff – it was my idea. Take this for what it is – it is meant in a light-hearted vein …
Veterans Today: Internetters know that there exists a huge global community of believers in “Moon Nazis”. This would include the common man in the street who is fascinated by science fiction as well as the scientific community, primarily those engaged in space exploration.
Respected NASA scientists and space researchers have spoken out about the existence of earth-like communities on the dark side of the moon. Where does your film draw the line? How much credence is given to the possibility that there exists an off-earth community of entities who look like us, talk like us, think like us – in essence, who are a “breakaway society” from earth?
Iron Sky: On behalf of everyone working for Iron Sky, I can say that no one of us believes in the real existence of Nazis on the Moon – or anywhere else outside of Earth, for that matter. Yet, we find the idea compelling; given the fact that Nazis had a lot of secret tech which eventually led partially to the big space race and space exploration, we find it intriguing to think the “what-if” -scenario, and try to approach it with two things in mind: if it would be true, how would it be even theoretically possible, and – even more importantly – how to make it cinematic. But of course, more importantly, it’s a human story, and the whole “Nazis on the Moon” issue is just a setting for a story to be told.
Veterans Today: I am a great believer in shortcuts to thinking by using precision words or phrases. In your preliminary correspondence you used the phrase “Moon Nazis”. This phrase would work for both your fans and your detractors. I actually think that “Moon Nazis” would have been a more catchy title than “Iron Sky” – which is excellent also with more serious and weighty connotations. Who chose the current title – and why?
Iron Sky: We do like subtexts, and the whole needs to be something more poetic than the core of the plot of the movie. We also liked the idea of concretically having a sky full of iron when the Nazi UFOs and Zeppelins roar on close orbit of Earth. And strangely enough, nobody had done a film with the name, so in the end it was an easy pick.
Veterans Today: I understand “Iron Sky” is a black comedy feature film. Several of your promo pieces give the impression that “Moon Nazis” are fair game for poking fun of the Hitler regime and its admittedly impressive scientists. Regardless of the negative political taint still clinging to the era, is your approach not merging respectable science and politically correct but one-dimensional political sentiment?
Iron Sky: Our political agenda is that we believe that what happened back in early 1900’s is so very close, and with people not paying attention to what the politicians are saying and blindly believing these people know better what’s good for them, we’ll end up in the same mess very soon. Hitler’s and Stalin’s eras are still so close, and watching which direction the politics in Europe are slowly stumbling to, I think Iron Sky’s message is a timely one.
Veterans Today: For decades, governments have justified a curtain of secrecy around the concept of life in space with entities who might have an interest in earth. The argument has been that such a concept would topple conventional belief systems such as religion. Do you see any harm in people projecting their own fantasies and wishes onto artistic creations that might have negative fallout in societies?
Iron Sky: Honestly believing in extraterrestial life, but not believing human kind has or will ever have connection (or at least reasonable in any intelligible way) with it, I believe humouring ourselves with such thoughts has always been a good way to learn of ourselves. Many of similar topical movies take the idea of an enemy, or friend, or something in between coming from outside of our world, and realize it among people of today to speculate what would our reactions be – because we want to experience, speculate and learn from “our own” reactions in a safe environment of a movie theater. And if at the same time it ignites some thought process in our heads challenging our fundamental thoughts and values and looking at everything from outside the box, I consider it to be solely a good thing.
Veterans Today: Your film is unusual in several ways. First, it is a non-Hollywood film in that it is being produced at a fraction of the costs of what a Hollywood film would cost. Secondly, fundraising involves a global community rather than a handful of fat cats. How did that novel idea come about – by design or by default?
Iron Sky: In many ways, by default. We had finished our previous film “Star Wreck in the Pirkinning” with the help of our Internet community, and knew that just by applying normal methods in production and funding we would not be able to reach the budget we were looking for. We again turned over our financial plight to our community, and again they were out there, ready to pitch in to see some Nazi arsekicking.
Veterans Today: Whether or not one might wish it to be so, your film will bring the concept of “Moon Nazis” into mainstream awareness and largely remove the current taboo attached to discussing such a “flat-earth conspiracy”. It is known that there has been a tight clamp on serious scientific discussions of this kind. Does your film not open the door to millions of people questioning why there exists such a curtain of silence on the part of official governments – in other words, make them “conspiracists”?
Iron Sky: I wouldn’t be too worried of that. It’s the same thing as with any conspiracy theory movie. It does push our imagination and offers a great “what-if” -sandbox, but in the end, I don’t assume anyone walks out of the theater and starts calling their government to reveal the big Moon Nazi plot they’ve been hiding. Well, crazy people might, but they can be triggered by anything.
Veterans Today: Has there been any censorship targeting your project? Or is this film approved at least in part so as to let off steam and prepare the global community for dramatic, in fact tectonic shifts in what folks in the future will not only believe but take for granted?
Iron Sky: Not sure what you mean by “tectonic shifts”, but we’ve had some censorship issue discussions for sure, especially regarding Germany. Their laws are very tight in portraying Nazis, but as soon as they read the script and realized the intention behind, we were clear to do the film. There are some extra-tight laws in Germany, for example with costumes and marketing, but we knew of them beforehand and were prepared for them.
Veterans Today: It is my understanding that this film is a triple production, involving Finland, Germany, and Australia? These are countries commonly seen as traditionally European by ancestry and background. We in America see large factions of Finland as openly approving of the Hitler era, and Germany as covertly approving. I don’t know about Australia, but I find it puzzling that the United States are not involved. Is this a clandestine “Declaration of Independence,” from Europe, at least in the artistic realm?
Iron Sky: Finland absolutely does not approve of the Hitler regime, and Germany even less so; not sure where this impression could be coming from. The reason why USA is not one of the production parties is simply that we didn’t find a suitable US production partner to join the production, and managed to do it without them. Three countries already involved is quite a heap.
Veterans Today: Finally, put your hand on your heart and tell me: How do you account for the enormous fascination with German science that came out of the Hitler Era, which is commonly believed to be expressed in a belief in so-called “UFOs”? Nobody talks about Russians having gone to the moon and set up housekeeping there, or Americans – or anybody else, for that matter. It’s always the “Moon Nazis.” This is an amazingly robust belief that defies common sense – for most people. Could fear be involved that such a thing as an invasion could come true?
Iron Sky: Not so much fear. I honestly don’t think there are too many people really believing in Moon Nazi invasion and being able to survive in the current day world. What fascinates people is the secrecy of the Nazi technology that’s been glorified over the decades in movies and literature and the idea that whatever the Russians or the US would be doing secretly behind our backs on the Moon without us knowing would never be as dramatic as what Nazis would be doing. There’d be only one thing they’d be doing, that’s invasion. Russians and Americans would probably be just digging for some Helium-3, which would not be so bad, given the oil dependency of today’s world.
Veterans Today: Except for making money, which I believe this film will make hand over fist, what do you expect this project to do?
Iron Sky: I hope it helps people open their eyes and ears and read between today’s political messages, especially the ones of right wing ideology and religious fundamentalists (both Christian and Muslim). We hope Iron Sky inspires people to think, but also to create and be creative. Filmmaking is no more the game of a few selected people. Anyone can pick up a camera, buy some software and start shooting the next masterpiece.