An Interview by Alimuddin Usmani
Translated by Romain Redouin (http://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr)
Alain Soral and Gilad Atzmon have each faced (and perhaps welcomed) criticism and controversy as a result of their intellectual inquiries and honest reasoning. Neither man has shied away from politically incorrect observations including those on issues of Zionism, culture, Europe or freedom of speech.
How did you get to know each other?
AS: I first got to know Gilad through his music. I am a jazz lover and have long appreciated Gilad who is an internationally known and admired musician. Gilad also played with Robert Wyatt who has been my favorite musician since I was 16. Gilad and I met in person two years ago at the Paris Book Fair. He was there to finalize the contract of his latest book, “The Wandering Who?” which is co-published by my publishing company, Kontre Kulture.
I am blown away by Gilad’s courage and lucidity. By culture and experience I have seen that those Jews who are able to tear the veil of tribalism to reach the authentic universal are very rare, although they are always the best!
GA: Soral published one of the two French editions of my latest book, “The Wandering Who.” I met him at the Paris book fair 2 years ago and in spite of the language barrier between us, I have managed to learn a lot from him. Soral is one of the last European intellectuals. And it is far from surprising that the Left is outraged by his profound political and ideological insights.
For quite a while those who oppose, satirize or criticize the domination of the Zionist lobby within French politics and media, seem to be subject to political abuse and judicial persecution. Why do you think the Zionist elite choose to target France in particular?
AS: It should be noted first that France has, or suffers from – depending on your point of view – what is by far the largest Jewish community in Europe, with nearly 700,000 members, while Italy or Spain, for example, have about 40,000. The pressure and the influence of this very organized community on French power and policy are inevitably proportional to its size. There are also some historical components that are particular to France: France prides itself on being the country of human rights, it was the first nation to emancipate the Jews of Europe, it had the Dreyfus affair, the maintained guilt of Petainism, the Zionism of the Fourth Republic, the dominance of the Grand Orient masonry on the supposedly French socialist left … These are some of the many factors that give our “organized Jewish community” as it defines itself, its effective and overwhelming position of moral watchdog.
GA: I think that the Jewish Lobby is particularly forceful in France as a result of the impact of the ’68 student revolution. French society has been broken into a multitude of identity groups, and the more broken a society is, the more it tends to subscribe to Jewish politics. The reason is simple. After 3000 years of tribal exilic operation, the Jewish intelligencia is the most advanced in identity sectarian politics and cultural manipulation.
The gist of identity politics is an attempt to transform the cohesive host nation into a myriad of godless synagogues. To some extent, Soral and Dieudonné have managed to unite what is left of the French working class; which includes Muslims, Arabs, Blacks and Whites. And as we have seen, the Jews and the Socialists see this development as an imminent danger.
A controversial anti-immigration initiative won the backing of the Swiss electorate on February 9. EU politicians reacted harshly, some even threatened Switzerland. For its part, the State of Israel continues to enforce an immigration policy based solely on the criteria of Jewish ethnicity, without receiving any criticism from the EU. How should we interpret this discrepancy?
AS: I think one of the best definitions of power, for those who have ceased to harbor illusions of democratic equality is: “Give to yourself and yourself alone the right to do the opposite of what you brutally require from others”.
The Zionist Jewish community, which dominates the Western discourse, requires the goyim to behave as men of the left: anti-racist and anti-nationalist … While they themselves behave as far right-wing men through their shameless support of a country (Israel) which is openly racist and ultra-nationalist.
GA: It is very simple. As much as Jewish intelligencia, wants to break the host nation, to dismantle its cohesive narrative, and debase the patriotic impetus, the Jewish State is committed to Jewish interests that represent the complete opposite of the ideology it espouses. Israel defines itself as the Jewish State and it subscribes to a racist, expansionist, nationalist and patriotic ideology. This may seem to be a discrepancy, but in fact it isn’t.
The above dual ethic is actually engraved in Jewish emancipation philosophy. The Jewish Haskala (enlightenment) motto that is mistakenly attributed to Moses Mendelssohn instructs the Jew- “be a Jew in your tent and a man on the street.” It teaches the Israelite to behave as a Jew at home but, while in the street to pretend to be a goy. This perplexing dishonest dualism (one lies to God at home while misleading the Goy in the street) explains the contradiction between the Jewish intelligencia call for diversity in the West, on the one hand, and the adherence to hard core patriotism in the Jewish State, on the other hand. The Jewish Haskala dual existential mode allows a clear distinction between the ‘Goyim universe’ and the ‘Jewish ghetto.’ In practice, Jewish intellectuals would teach the Goyim about diversity and tolerance, yet defend vile Judeo-centrism at home, i.e., Israel.
The expression “Judeo-Masonic conspiracy” is mainly used to discredit those who criticize the bond between the Masonic and the Zionist network. Is it possible to demonstrate this bond without being locked up in a “reductio ad hitlerum”?
AS: No. The term “Judeo-Masonic Plutocracy” has cradled all the 30’s far-right discourse, so it’s now an unusable phrase. Yet, it is enough to look at the claimed alliances currently in in the mondialist process to objectively determine that international finance, the Masonic networks and Zionism are openly working in concert to impose on us their unequal vision and domination.
GA: For a long time I have suggested that there are no hidden conspiracies in the Jewish world – all is done in the open. I strongly suggest that instead of looking for conspiracies under the carpet, we learn to analyze mainstream news. Everything is there and in the open. In fact I argue that the real meaning of Jewish Power is the capacity to silence the discussion of Jewish power. To look for the ‘hidden agenda,’ in that context, is to surrender to Jewish power. We must do the opposite. Look into the work of George Soros, AIPAC, CRIF, CFI, Lord Levy, Wall Street, etc.
Finally what is your reaction to the strategic coalition conducted by Lebanese Hezbollah with Christendom? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlXek4xQd381
AS: The utmost respect. Facing the “clash of civilizations” strategy advocated by the American-Zionists, the transcurrent alliances – Middle-class/Proletariat but also Christians/Muslims – are the only solution. It took years of civil war for the Lebanese to understand this and I just hope we will not have to go that far in this disaster in France, in order to embark on this path of wisdom.
GA: I guess that such an inevitable coalition is what torments the Jewish intelligencia as inspired by the Frankfurt School to operate forcefully against the so -called ‘patriarchal West.’ It is possible that true diverse humanism (as oppose to ‘diversity’) poses the ultimate danger to Jewish cultural narcissistic chauvinism. In true diverse humanism, we’re all united in our search for the ethical and the universal, we revert to Athenian thinking and oppose the Bernard Henri Levis and the rest of the Jerusalemite cantors.
Gilad Atzmon is an Israeli-born British jazz saxophonist, novelist, political activist and writer.
Atzmon’s album Exile was BBC jazz album of the year in 2003. Playing over 100 dates a year, he has been called “surely the hardest-gigging man in British jazz.” His albums, of which he has recorded nine to date, often explore the music of the Middle East and political themes. He has described himself as a “devoted political artist.” He supports the Palestinian right of return and the one-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
His criticisms of Zionism, Jewish identity, and Judaism, as well as his controversial views on The Holocaust and Jewish history have led to allegations of antisemitism from both Zionists and anti-Zionists. A profile in The Guardian in 2009 which described Atzmon as “one of London’s finest saxophonists” stated: “It is Atzmon’s blunt anti-Zionism rather than his music that has given him an international profile, particularly in the Arab world, where his essays are widely read.”