Breaking News: “Bin Laden” Heroes Probably Murdered to Keep Them Quiet (Reads: Over 60k VT, nearly 1m worldwide)

Some Possibly Killed in Abbottabad Helicopter Crash Months Before


By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor


Today 31 NATO troops, 20 of them Navy Seals from the Osama bin Laden operation died in what is reported as a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. 

The chances of this story being true is almost nil.  The chances of this being a staged coverup is over 80%.  We believe these people were murdered to silence them.  This is why.

We have solid information on two areas:

  1. Osama bin Laden died in 2001 as an active CIA employee and his body was recovered in Afghanistan and taken to “the sand box.”  We were told it was frozen.  We have so much verification from this, CIA, ISI, US military and top officials.  I have a direct confirmation from Bin Laden’s CIA handler who I grilled mercilessly on this.
  2. The Abbottabad operation involved numerous American deaths, witnessed, bodies all over, a helicopter crash. (suppressed translated TV interview below)  These bodies were recovered by land vehicle from Islamabad and there was NO “successful” bin Laden operation of any kind.  There was and has been a CIA safe house in Abbotabad where terror suspects were stored for years.

This gave the US several areas of severe vulnerability.  Generally, Navy Seals are the best people in the world at keeping their mouths shut, these are real team players, as the term “Seal Team” belies.

We at VT were informed that the bin Laden operation was staged at this time, a theatrical farce, to cover the exit of Secretary Gates, the move by former CIA Director Leon Panetta into the DOD as Secretary of Defense and to stem any heroic claims by new CIA Director Petraeus of killing the long dead Osama bin Laden, the long frozen CIA operative.

Petraeus is a possible presidential contender and had to be denied this “gift from heaven,” a fast track to the oval office for sure.

Will We Ever Know What Happened?

Again, I remind you, I went over specific meetings on bin Laden with his handlers, getting every last detail.  I have watched what has gone on, the continuing need to vilify a long dead top CIA operative to provide residual cover for the Bush administration….

The reason?  Bush and his cronies are all facing charges of war crimes, not just in minor jurisdictions but heading for the ICC, putting them on the dock with Gaddafi ( a far less harmful character).

As for the timing of this incident?  This we will work on.  What we can easily surmise is that some of the dead have been dead since their bodies were taken away from the helicopter crash site in Abbotabad.

Who would order such a thing?  We are going to have to wait but we are going to find out.  However, we expected this, the timing is exactly as predicted.


When the phony Abbotbad operation came out, I immediately understood what happened.  I also saw much potential good from it other than the tragedy of the dead Americans from the crash.  I wrote of this and see their deaths as more heroic than many recognize.

They died to erase for all time remnants of the Bush era fairly tale of badguy and evildoer Osama bin Laden.  Enough good men had died chasing a ghost who lived only in phony video and audio tapes by “Bin Laden Studios” in Tel Aviv and in the continual “boogeyman” rhetoric of professional fearmongers.

Not long afterward, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, another able public servant announced the near defeat of Al Qaeda, another Bush fairly tale.

Al Qaeda has never existed, there are no magic worldwide terror conspiracies other than those run by governments.  There are several of those and I have written extensively on these.  Google will help you with this if you are curious.

When VT saw why the government staged this, we saw we could accomplish two things:

  1. We could simply report the truth for those willing to believe it, something we believe is the right thing to do.
  2. We could also support the United States in a very real way, knowing Pakistan would weather this crisis, timed, in some ways, as a face saving move in response to the embarrassing Raymond Davis affair.  I believed if the truth came out, clear enough for insiders, intel and miliary for sure, to understand that we knew and other insiders knew, there would be no reason to “clean house” afterward, to stage a coverup and get rid of any involved.

Abbotabad - How Many Died Here?

I had felt that we had provided cover for the Seal Team, we hadn’t trashed them, we acknowledged the dead at Abbotabad where no one else bothered, this is our job as fellow members of America’s military forces (current and former).

More importantly, we got out word, I certainly did enough radio and TV on this, enough that, for anyone who care, the “truth was out there.”

This is all we could do but I hoped it would stem a need for covering tracks.  After all, anyone leaking real information on the operation would only seem like they had gotten it from me and I put it out there in such a manner that I allowed room to be “debunked.”

I do this to protect myself but I really was thinking of them.  These are great guys, Seals are among the best people on earth.  The Seal and Special Forces communities are, of the military groups in the US, some of the finest people I know.

They also help cover my “behind,” which I appreciate.

This is just too obvious, too brazen.  I can’t imagine it started at the White House or even cabinet level but maybe I am deluding myself.  Bin Laden was all about the election.

After the bond collapse and credit disaster yesterday, anything threatening President Obama’s reelection is seen, by some, as a threat to America’s financial survival.  This debt crisis is a bigger threat to the US than a Japanese invasion in 1942 would have been.

You may not see it that way and you certainly cant get out your hunting rifle to fix it. (Don’t be a sap, kill a Jap!)

Osama in Better Days

Someone had gotten to someone.  My best guess and this is a guess…an expose’ by the mainstream media, perhaps Murdoch, another guess, conjecture I admit, regarding the farce at Abbottabad, information possibly gotten through spying, bribery and blackmail, threatened to take down Obama.

With Murdoch’s good friend and “monkeyboy,” Netanyahu ‘on the ropes,” with crowds marching in Israel’s streets demanding his ouster, we have more timing to factor in.

The bin Laden killing, the third rate drama of capturing an unarmed frozen dead guy and throwing him into the ocean had probably become an albatross around certain high ranking necks.

Norway was no accident, it was a warning too.  It has been containerized, just as the Murdoch espionage issue is now “poor Rupert and the pie thrower.”

These Americans are casualties in a game, one like 9/11, sacrificial pawns, like Britain’s 7/7, all lies, all theatre, all evil.

This is not for public consumption.  There are those who know exactly who I am talking to.

There are many of us here who still keep our mouths shut about so many things.  There are too many who don’t even care, most of us at VT do.  Yes, I am aware I can be jailed, I am aware my passport can be pulled, I already see the damned surveillance.


We aren’t anti-American.  I am simply sick of seeing solutions that go one direction, stealing everything that isn’t nailed down.  I am also sick of the fact that Washington can’t visit the “head’ without Israel’s permission.

This…today, this is too much. It is unforgivable.  We are not going to allow this to stand.

We have a long standing history of “cleaning house” after operations of this kind.  Usually its dead senators in plane crashes, heart attacks, car wrecks, like the Minot Barksdale or 9/11 incidents.  I could name a dozen more.  Does the name Wheeler meaning anything to you?  Anyone remember Pat Tillman?

But this many?



Suppressed TV Report of Navy Seals Killed in bin Laden Operation (Urdo – Translation Below)

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Anchor: Welcome back, Mohammad Bashir is a resident of Abboottabad’s Bilal Town. Muhammad Bashir might seem an ordinary guy but he is no ordinary guy. Muhammad Bashir lives in front of Osama Ben Laden’s house in Bilal Town Abbottabad. On 2nd of May, Muhammad Bashir was present on his rooftop from where he saw the whole American operation against Osama Ben Laden with his own eyes. Yesterday when our team was present In Bilal Town, Abbottabad, near Osama Ben Laden’s hose, Muhammad Bashir came to us and said, “Sister, I need to tell you something, something that is a burden on my heart and soul”, just listen to what he said.

Bashir: I am going to share something about the Abbottabad operation which till this day nobody else has told you.

Anchor: But Muhammad Bashir was a little afraid too, while talking to me he telephoned hia reletive, Vice President of Jummat-e-Islami, Abdur Razzaq Abasi, watch it

Reporter: Tell me your name and tell me whare do you live

Bashir: Let me first, Let me talk to him one minute, i will give you full interview, full or half?

Reporter: Full Full

Bashir: Let me first talk to him

Reporter: To whom? To Abbasi?

Bashir: yes, to Abbasi

Anchor: Muhammad Bashir told us something that no one said before. So we checked his identity card, we also confirmed that he really lives there, we asked from the senior fellows about him. We were very astonished by his story just see and listen what he said.

Bashir: We were awake, not asleep, a helicopter came, some men came down from that, into that house, then that helicopter went away

Reporter: How many men?

Bashir: 10-12, then that helicopter took rounds of those rear hills, then he came bac…k and when he came bach, two more helicopters arrived, one from the west and other from the north, there was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire, we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived, they pushed us back, now we are asking that if oama was here then who took him to america because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast, now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him? this is a question of serious concern. America claims they they killed him and picked him up. How they picked him up? This is what we are thinking

Reporter: Was there only one helicopter?

Bashir? Yes the other that came flew away to Mansehra, there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them but as he was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire.

Reporter: Then were in it when it blew?

Bashir: Yes They were.

Reporter : How you know?

Bashir: We saw it with our own eyes

Reporter: You saw dead man?

Bashir: Yes, dead men,

Reporter: How many?

Bashir: I couldnt count them because then the compound was on fire. The gate was open, we went in, the army and police hadnt arrived then, there were some people but they werent stopping them. The whole neighborhood has seen that but they are silent now.

Bashir: We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing

Reporter: How many dead bodies you saw?

Bashir: We couldn’t count them because they were blown into pieces.

The reporter asked Bashir to narrate the story again.

Bashir said we could see the faces of those men but they were speaking pashto. I dont know whether they were Pakistani or American army or people of agencies, as you know that agency people can speak many languages.

May be they were speaking Pashto so that we consider them Pakistani.

They knocked and banged at our doors and told us not to come out.

I laid down on my rooftop and was watching them.

My kids were calling me, I told them to go to their rooms and let me check whats going on.

The reporter asks Bashir, that when he saw that the helicopter was American what was he thinking then?

Bashir said that he got afraid. He didn’t had in his mind that they will attack that house. He thought that they might have come to attack the Pakistan Army.

The reporter asked so when was your cousin Shamraiz taken away?

Bashir: Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. Shamrez also came out and the gate of the compound was open, we went in, every thing was lying scattered, as it is a huge compound, some body parts were lying here, some there, legs, arms, heads, broken and torn body parts, during that time some part of the helicopter inside, may be the engine or other fuel related part had an explosion so we rushed out. During that time Shamrez was taken away, he is in his home now, but no one is allowed to meet him and i couldn’t get a chance to talk to him later.

Then the anchor says that they had vegetations inside the compound and Shamrez was their gardener. We know that two men Arshad and Tariq used to live there. They had good relations with the neighbours, they used to buy things from the local store. Sometimes imported dates and used to send many things to their neighbours.

Then the reporter is at Abdullah Ben Zubair Mosque, which is the nearest to compound of Osama.

She asks a guy: do you think people would have been glad and happy if they would have ever met osama?

The guy : Yes, possibly. Because he was a muslim and he believed in God.

This is the whole story! Every aspect and point translated.

The gentleman being interviewed lives across from the compound. His cousin Sahab Jamrez Khan used to grow vegetables in the compound. He was taken away in all the hullabaloo on tape @10.29 Bashir says he did not see when they wisked his cousin away.

Interviewer asks “Have you spoken to your cousin?”

Bashir “No, I have not seen him yet he in in the house. “They will not let him get out” “They will not let me get in.”

2 other men Arshad Sahib and Tariq Sahib used to go to market to shop for that compound and bought international brand items. Dates, dried meat found in compound. Also food used to come from compound to Bashir’s house Kabulu Pilau and things like that used to be presented to Bashir. They will follow up with more information. In the end the lady is standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair mosque. The mosque was with in walking distance of the compound. She asks people if Osama did attend this mosque people would have be happy? The one answered maybe. The other said Osama did “not” live here but he was muslim and believed in God. Interview ends.

Another thing to note is that Bashir mentioned that we are very “sharif” meaning law abiding honest people. His town was a peaceful place no excitement no murders, fights, and he is unhappy how they have made his town so frightful with all this news. One thing is very clear in this video. Two helicopters hovered never landed. One landed dropped Pashto speaking poeple on the roof 10-12 of them Helicopter left fo 20 minutes returned to load people in and small blast engine failure fire helicopter parts all over. Body parts arms, legs, head, all over. Pakistani Army/Police came in dispersed crowd. The whole scene is cleaned up totally now. No evidence left to examine.

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264 Responses to "Breaking News: “Bin Laden” Heroes Probably Murdered to Keep Them Quiet (Reads: Over 60k VT, nearly 1m worldwide)"

  1. John Cloak  August 26, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    In the movie “Up” the boy wants to keep the talking dog. The old man says “No!” The boy, in a wide eyed gaze, exclaims, “But it’s a talking dog!”

    This seems to be the case, with the book that contains the same (Authentic) report of the whereabouts of Usama bin Laden, that was sent to the President of the United States. being the authors’ website, it also seems as if the old man (Main Stream Media) is saying “NO!” And the author is saying, with a wide eyed stare; “But it contains the same (Authentic) report of the whereabouts of Usama bin Laden, that was sent to the President of the United States!”

    INSIGHT IGNITES THE EYEWITNESS,by author Mr Cloak: ISBN-10: 0982737122 ISBN-13: 978-0982737125 is that boy, with a wide eyed gaze, claiming: “BUT IT’S A TALKING DOG!”

  2. Zaire  August 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Shalom Mohammed,

    I’ve just read what you’ve written about Whites being the true terrorist, that’s the truth if I’ve ever heard it. All whites are evil, wicked devils so-called-Christains they want other countries’ wealth for themselves and its historic, this is nothing new. This American country is run by greedy, low life devils that will do anything to steal, kill and destroy other races of people but is this not the same thing they did back in medieval times? These are the same terrorist that are officially in uniform in the cities streets across America, killing blacks and others of color under the color of “law.” It’s too bad that any one would put on an American military uniform thinking that they are protecting the American citizens when in fact they are really protecting greedy white devils who will take, rape and kill anyone or nation that tries to stop them from getting what they want like the Haliburton owned by Dick Chainey who use to be the United States vice president, where is he now in the Middle East causing all the old heads of state to be takin down so he can use the CIA to take over all the oil fields over there. The American people need to wake up and look around them and see what’s really going on in their own country and stop trying to run other countries around the world. Thank all of you for the information shared with us about what’s really going on in the world.

  3. Plutarch  August 22, 2011 at 1:37 am

    This is a cover story but these men were not killed to silence them, There were casualties in the crash and it was probably a lot easier to get a wartime payout than a payout for an extrajudicial cleanup operation.

    The Ray davies story is certainly entertwined with this one, but it was cleaning up some mess. Probably something in conjunction with Pakistan’s special weapons.

  4. Dar65  August 20, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    By suppressing videos, US Govt is re-inforcing the public opinion that this was a staged drama.

  5. OrionRising  August 20, 2011 at 9:33 am

    GREAT site! Many kudos to you! Confirms all that I suspected for quite awhile! TRUTH HURTS THOSE AGAINST IT!

  6. william f mcdonagh3  August 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    gordon i just saw your interview about rupert murdouch, the war monger ,zionist front man,that was one of the best commentaries ive ever seen a+,another piece of the 9-11 puzzle, firmly in place.can you investigate if there is any smoke around rupert and the supposed 9-11 phone calls made to loved ones from the fatal planes i think they released this information about hacking into 9-11 family victims voice mail,to cover up something more dubious,could be another piece of the puzzle

  7. w.u.j.b.gtheg  August 11, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    There will be a Man on a White Horse

  8. w.u.j.b.gtheg  August 11, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    like what Alan said

  9. w.u.j.b.gtheg  August 11, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Someone out there is going to change the course of history.

    You have not heard of this man and this man does not know it is he.

    The man that I am talking about will not be a wide-awake patriot who sees what is going on.

    This man will be the enemy of freedom and will have inside knowledge and reputation to permanently destroy this machine of lies.

    What will this man be like?

    He will lead three lives; a cold professional life, a warm and shallow social life and a dark, conflicted personal life, which no one knows about.

    He has no guilt about the very real pain that he has caused, whether it is ill gotten gains, or death tolls.

    He is excited by instant gratification, which gives him more financial or political power.

    He is extremely smart and knows how to scheme and spin situations in his favor.

    He is someone that is deeply involved in the machine of debt and war.

    He has an arrogant attitude because he is thoroughly indoctrinated into the machine.

    He is one of the most ardent and fervent supporter of this machine.

    He is closed off to the truth and has pushed away those who love him.

    He has committed legalized crimes against humanity.

    He believes that the ends justify the means.

    He believes that might makes right.

    He sees the end of the lie.

    He finds out that he was wrong about everything.

    He is encouraged by the strength that he sees in “weaker” people.

    He reaches out to someone that is of the of another political world.

    He opens up and has deep conversations with this new friend.

    He challenges this person with hard questions that he is wrestling with.

    He has put the pieces together in his head and sees the absolute clarity of truth.

    He latches onto one simple truth and it will split his world in two.

    He no longer passively accepts the status quo; silence is consent.

    He seeks redemption by plotting to destroy what he has created.

    He creates a deathblow to the machine, that has nearly consumed his soul.

    He no longer fears being called names like un-patriotic or traitor.

    He is willing to take great personal sacrifice needed in order to strike this blow.

    He uses all of his cunning skills, once used to do evil, now in doing good.

    He does this without the support of anyone and is guided by something greater than himself.

    He has found a new energy and passion about his mission

    He takes a moment before he commits his world changing action and feels utter and complete calm.

    He will cast the die of truth for his world to explode.

    For the first time in his life, he is completely free.

    We will be eternally indebted to this man and the men that follow him.

    All men die, yet most never really live.

  10. OS - Final  August 11, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Security needs to be reviewed, down too any contractor involved. This incident needs investigated, bottom line.

  11. Alan Folsom  August 11, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    It’s the Defense Dept. that is saying some of them were the same people. They’re also claiming we got revenge on the “insurgents” who shot down the helicopter. Right. The public wouldn’t have it any other way. After all, we’re the good guys chasing the bad guys, aren’t we? Don’t they always get the bad guy in our movies? By the way, what are we even doing in their country?

  12. Alan Folsom  August 11, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Mr. Duff is a great American patriot. We need more like him. Congratulations to VeteransToday for its gutsy and heroic stands.

  13. Wing Yu  August 11, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    These aren’t the same guys. Give us one name that matches. This has really lowered the credibility of this site. Too bad. Thought someone still had intellectual integrity.

  14. Mohammed  August 11, 2011 at 1:44 am

    another thing that id just thought id mention here,
    the problems alllie in the interest based financial system that in operation worldwide- its in the hands of these zionist parasites.
    take that away from them, you have cut off their power base.
    we need to revert to the gold standard & take back all the gold that these pigs have stolen.
    just imagine- they print our money & lend it on interest to us!
    money thats not backed by gold
    & when anyone defaults on payments, the attach real assets like your car & home.
    if i remember correctly, there has been a homeland created for these “people without a land”- somewhere in Russia- place called Birobidjan-Jewish Autonomous Republic.

    we should take the jews from all over the world & put them there.
    the thing is, its hard to know who are zionists amongst them & who are not.
    those that are not in favour of the actions of their zionist brothers & sisters remain silent so we cant help but paint them all with the same brush.

  15. John Cloak  August 10, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Hi, “Nobody special, just an American”…a little proof never hurts…and God Bless You, for I am pissed off about all this myself, too!

    6.) Why; is Obama still blocking the release of the emails sent to the Bush Whitehouse…that lead to the demise of Senator Martinez, Governor Crist, and U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Kristie Kenney…


    Obama is still blocking the release of the emails sent to the Bush Whitehouse…that lead to the demise of Senator Martinez, Governor Crist, and U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Kristie Kenney…because, the SALUTE Report, concerning the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden was sent to the Whitehouse email address, and along with it, copies of emails that were sent to them also. Which started an investigation, and found their offices grossly incompetent and hampering the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden investigation…

    As for U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Kristie Kenney being replaced; she contracted a Philippine Military Officer, who interrogated this veteran (Me) inside the US Embassy building. I will never forgive her for that treason, and yes, I put that in the book also…at the time, I was more pissed of then your comment above, “Nobody special, just an American!”

    Anyone else feel like “Nobody special, just an American,” if so, it’s understandable…I’m sure we all feel pissed off about this whole thing going on inside our government!

    The cover-ups have been going on, all along…it’s enough to piss off anybody…me too!

    I have my proof, and look forward to my day in court…to ask for your help, seems like the right thing to do!

  16. OS - Final  August 10, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Regarding OBL Raid,

    There’s always a snip before entries, often the GO signal. I know a vet like yourself knows what I’m talking about. Without this, there would be some questions?

  17. OS - Final  August 10, 2011 at 8:21 pm


    Gunship? The top US Army Pilots fly the gunships, and not only to provide cover, they can be used as spotters and assist choppers landing in rear. Once choppers carrying personnel reduce their altitude, they also lose their field of view (altitude), and why it’s necessary to use some type of spotter with covering fire.

    Are we doing something different today?

    Please continue and finish the story, I’m interested in part (2).

  18. Nobody special, just an American  August 10, 2011 at 5:30 pm


    Watch Your Back !! I mean it. These people in the Military Industrial Complex are running scared. They are doing more an more stupid stuff.. I’m not military and I can see through their crap.

    I’m sure you are aware of the little drug that causes liver cancer within months.. along with all the other stuff. Be Very Careful… and keep up doing what you are doing. Get a food taster ;^)
    You Sir, Kick Arse !!

    Someone Has to tell the Truth.. and right now, VT ( never thought I would ever say this ) is one of the FEW places where the truth is being told or at very least questioned.

    BTW.. Zionism and Judaism are entirely different religions, beliefs and concepts. If you are of Jewish faith and don’t know that, you need to know more about your own religion. Personally, I don’t need false gods and quit believing in all that rubbish ( which is brainwashing 101) right after I figured out santa clause.

  19. A.Wright  August 10, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    That’s all very interesting about the name of the author of a randomly picked book off my bookshelf.

  20. smacko  August 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Yes, I agree, we must not be Misdirected/Obstructed by ANY ‘personality’, including ourself!
    That’s why we stay focused on due-processing Accountability!

    (Until we achieve proper due-processing Accountability regarding subject salient issue/question: WhoDid911? )

    really quite simple, but for cogdis doublespeak routines 😉

    Furthermore, suggesting Mr. Gravel is verdict dictator, would be disinfo!
    (doing such to misdirect / obstruct pursuit of proper due-processing would exhibit untrustworthy hypcrisy & perhaps crime 😉

    PR Newswire – International Hearings on 9/11 to begin in Toronto in September

  21. Paolo  August 10, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Yeh, sure, Bin Laden has got three wives and a brood of kids hanging around, in he’s in his room jerking off all day to porn. LOL LOL LOL LOL Just who at Psyops comes up with the stuff??? Did they hire junior highschool interns over there????

  22. Paolo  August 10, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    What I thought hilariously bogus about the Abbottabad Osama hoax was that the US/UK SHMEDIA reported that Osama was addicted to porn.

    Yeh, sure, Bin Laden has got three wives and a brood of kids hanging around, in he’s in his room jerking off all day. LOL LOL LOL LOL Just who at Psyops comes up with the stuff??? Did they hire junior highschool interns over there????

  23. mona  August 10, 2011 at 3:11 am

    I hope the truth comes out in the media..pakistan has n vl suffer a lot coz of the finding of Osama in Pak..cant understand how politicians can get so cruel…abbotabad is one of the most beautiful places in Pak n they ve turned it into a terror town!! this is not only the sealing of the seals but this whole drama has been staged to further weaken Pak n eventually break it into pieces!! the truth is an Islamic country with atomic power is not acceptable to the West!!!

  24. John Cloak  August 10, 2011 at 2:30 am

    Well, God Bless All Of You, but you did not see him with your own eye’s, I did…

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    1.) Why; Senator Martinez quit and did not run for re-election
    2.) Why; Governor Crist lost the support of the GOP
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    4.) Why; is U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Harry K. Thomas, Jr. spending thousands and thousands of tax payers money’s, contracting non-US Citizen Surveillance Teams to covertly spy on US Citizens and their families living in the Philippines…

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    6.) Why; is Obama still blocking the release of the emails sent to the Bush Whitehouse…that lead to the demise of Senator Martinez, Governor Crist, and U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines Kristie Kenney…

    no, not anymore!

  25. Susan  August 9, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    The people of the United States as well as the rest of the world know that the first terrorist in USA and elsewhere, is the USA, itself. Our government is all about lies, corruption, and greed since the beginning of time and until the very end until we, the people, take a stand. Our government will do anything and everything to get what they want even if it means “false flags.” Unfortunately, most people are blind or in denial and it’s time to wake up before we are in total control of every single thing we do and say on a daily basis. Now is the time to speak up, fight for our rights, spread the word, and go all out if we have to as one before it’s too late. The USA is in debt because of the poor decisions of our politicians while thye continue spending trillions in unnecessary wars that are fakes and scams There are no wars for peace and for our county, only for money and power. There is no care at all from our politicians and government for our safety, only chemtrails and HAARP. There are no doctors and hospitals that care about our well being, only to make pharmaceuticals richer. Trust no one, believe nothing. Be aware of all and ready for anything. If only the military wakes up and say enough is enough and come home, the government will be overpowered and finally there can be a chance for peace. Just like cops, our government gets away with anything such as: 9/11, lie about Bin Laden’s death, Obama’s birth certificate, and many more. Shame on them but they will all have to answer to God on Judegment Day.

  26. jenny  August 9, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    El is 100% correct. We would deserve the same kind of branding that’s being doled out in some of the comments, if we don’t clarify whom we’re referring to when we blame “Jews”, “Europeans”, or any other group/sect of peoples! Mind you, we’ve ALLOWED this to happen to us by not guarding our civil liberties! And again, El…you’re right. We DO deserve to go to Hell if we continue down the destructive path of glorified “American-exceptionalism”! It makes me sick to my stomach and ashamed when I hear our [supposed] “heroes” teasing, taunting, torturing, raping, and murdering innocent by-standards; taking pictures in front of their kills as though these dead people are hunting-trophies! I know, I know! They’re under a degree of mind-control but some aren’t unwilling to let their mind go there and, therefore, they cannot be “taught” to be an assassin killer. THEY are MY heroes!

  27. waqas aziz mir  August 9, 2011 at 11:52 am

    very interesting ….. thanks for sharing the facts … peace from Pakistan

  28. dirt  August 9, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Can’t really help you, your not sticking to the point. I’ would imagine that a CIA safe house containing a bin Laden look-alike would be plenty enough to paint this false picture. If in fact seal team 6 went in. Let me state, I don’t read history books that aren’t vetted by people who were there and trustworthy in the past. I mainly read whistleblowers. Even then, there will be innacuracies. You are all over the map, Bin Laden most likely died from what is called Marfan syndrome in 2001. Not too long before that he met with a high level CIA asset. Bin Laden of course has been the invisible boogie man that Tel aviv has been spweeing about for a decade. Point is, the raid is window dressing. If a seal team went in there, a look a like is all that would be needed. They had shoot on sight orders for more cover ups, they have a frozen piece of flesh that actaully doesn’t point to it really being Bin Laden if you know about mitochondrial DNA and what the test really tells you. No one on board the carrier is allowed to talk to the press because the sailors are “all too angry, excited about it still”. Even the idiots who have been faking Bin Laden tapes for this long knew they had to let this go sometime. Expedient politically, militarily, etc. Now they have Bin Ladens “computer”. This is merely a way to trot out new threats forever because it was on his computer. Ooooops, can’t read books on planes now because Bin Laden had a recipe for explosive paper!! OOOOps, can’t use the internet w/o a drivers license because Bin LAden had recruited and trained Jihadists to track down civil servants via the internet. That computer will be the biggest propaganda piece the Hill and government ever needed to supress america. I can’t wait for the headlines, “ENCRYPTED FILE ON BIN LADEN COMPUTER BROKEN!!!” details to follow from NSA. Fppppptttttttt. I trade stocks for a living, I do well because I can predict these fascist pukes that make policy. And I read articles and books from people who know what the hell they are actually talking about. I’ve read maybe 7 books on Rommel, I only consider 1 of them reliable because it only contains info from the people that knew him and served with him. Trust me when I say this, when the TV or radio thinks something is a good idea and should guide policy, I take the exact opposite view and I’m rarely, rarely, wrong. Black is white and 2+2 = 5 everytime. Sickens me, but I’ve come to grips with it. You said, “So yes considering everything connected to terrorism hoax is surly suspect and tainted.” I apply that to much more than terrorism. Everything your government does above the local level is contrary to your well being, bank on it. I do 3-4 days a week in the market. So you could say, I put my money where my mouth is on this point.

  29. Gordon Duff  August 9, 2011 at 9:55 am

    why i use the language i do…

    why i separate fact from probability and probability from conjecture


  30. A.Wright  August 9, 2011 at 9:50 am

    “Ok guys we want you to kill a whole helicopter full of Navy Seals. Why?..well , I mean do you need a reason? Ok, the reason is to get rid of the guys who killed Bin Laden, so they won’t talk about killing Bin Laden. You remember the big Bin Laden thing where they killed Bin Laden? – we don’t want them to talk about it. Ok? Geez, you guys, you need a reason for every little thing. Give you orders to kill your comrades and it’s questions , questions. It’s the conspiracy people at home who are supposed to ask all these questions. Have you no consideration for those guys? They sweat over their computers until the early hours, looking for some conspiracy stuff to write about and you’re going , why this, why that. Ok here’s the bomb, you just put that in the helicopter before they take off. And remember , don’t tell anyone about this…you never know what might happen to you..”

  31. Warrior  August 9, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Thanks Gordon. If the free press didn’t tell you, who would?

  32. Hal Herrin  August 9, 2011 at 8:23 am




    I knew there was something fishy about the stories of the raid on the compound and the killing of OBL as well as the chopper crash in Afghanistan the other day!! How come we’ve been in Afghanistan for 10 years and this is the first chopper that has been shot down by an RPG? What??? One lucky Taliban out of a million goat f–kers? Fishy! Fishy! Fishy! He just decided this one day that he would climb up on a hill and shoot at a chopper…come on…!!!!! Everyone in this administration should be shot in the head in public!!

  33. Dickson  August 9, 2011 at 6:28 am

    This is all seemingly so complex and evil and unreal that it is hard to even get your mind around it, but at the root cause there is a primary source of the evil: Zionism. Zionism caused 9/11, Zionism caused the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Zioinsm controls US foreign policy, Zionism controls the Federal Reserve and Congress.

    Don’t get distracted by the immensity and fail to see the underlying enemy.

    Just like in London today, it is blacks rioting but who wanted them there to break up national unity and pressured politicans for an open door, who has been promoting multiculturalism in the media: Zionists.

    Until this malevolent evil has been destroyed there is no hope.

  34. Gordon Duff  August 9, 2011 at 6:12 am

    The question is, how do we get rid of a police state? With a planeload of congress heading to Israel, and NOTHING good is going to come of fact NONE Of them should be allowed back..but rather sent on the rest of their trip…North Korea…maybe the brothels of Thailand…

    Washington is dead. We either clean it out or it cleans us out.

  35. Gordon Duff  August 9, 2011 at 6:09 am

    Discussing the world’s misery and not mentioning Israel is quite insane. I assure you, I have chaired meetings where limiting antiSemitic rhetoric has been a key subject. The problem we have is that telling the truth about Israel, the trans-generational crimiinal operation where some Jewish people live, runs contrary to popculture, phony history, controlled news and the police state the United States has become.
    Time for you to change sides, and get on board with the humans.

  36. ShootBlueHelmets  August 9, 2011 at 5:46 am

    A whole warship? Look up USS Liberty, it was already tried (USS Cole version 1.0). How about that S. Korean ship sunk by a non-Korean torpedo? That, or you can make ships up out of thin air, such as the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Yes, one thing to be counted on in all major world events, when looked at thoroughly, such as your questions, things do not add up. One ship is easy for them.

  37. Smitty  August 8, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Al Jazeera also interviewed the neighbors and they were all in disbelief. If memory serves, a tweet went out that saw the helicopter EXPLODE and he was also interviewed. He emphasized the extreme rarity of helicopters. Chinese and Russian news said the helicopter was Pakistani initially. Whatever went on there, those pics of the guys who they shot, I’m not an expert but the blood looked fake. I could be wrong

  38. Northpal  August 8, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Sorry Dirt but you are telling me everything you read is true ??? Counterterror is not the new bogeyman ???? Your history books are true ???? Your news is true ???? Was Tonkin incident true ??? You have no idea whats true or not true, oh right reading one book tells ya eh??? Now maybe this “seal team 6″ is true but considering Bin Laden myth is not, considering there is so much credible evidence he was killed years ago, considering Bush and Cheney them selves said he had nothing to do with 911, how the hell would this “seal team 6″ have gone on a mission that killed him in a raid ?????? So yes considering everything connected to terrorism hoax is surly suspect and tainted.

  39. OHIO  August 8, 2011 at 8:14 pm


  40. Ann Dabbas  August 8, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    If you get to the bottom or this it’s so simple.
    The world has always been afraid of the Jews. I know there are some very good Jews but the trouble makers seem to stand out. Even back in history it was that way and one example is where Jesus told them to their face: “You are murders from the beginning, you are liars and sons of liars and your native tongue is lying.” John 8: 44

  41. OHIO  August 8, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    yeah ,well he’s on medication and has lots of crazy ideas
    Now good proper Americans get their newz from FOXFALSEFLAG911FAKENEWZ.

  42. OHIO  August 8, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    the cousin alex cattle of america

  43. Oklahoma  August 8, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Denial of the Osama Bin Laden mythology is considered to be complete proof of being Anti-American,
    survey results of a few thousand Cattle done personally by an American

  44. EL  August 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Agreed that blaming Jews is stupid and counterproductive. Blame the Israeli government for many things, but also blame our government and our corporations for those same things. There are as many or more self professed Christians doing evil as there Jews doing evil. In the end these people use patriotic and tribal symbols to hide behind (“when fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross”) to do pursue their own evil agendas. To hate Israelis and Jews, or Americans and Christians or Arabs and Muslims for the evil done by those in power who hide behind those labels is to be deceived by those same evil doers. Strip their power from them, put them in jail and execute the mass murderers, but do not classify those they hide behind as evil too. If you do that then the entire country of America deserves to go to hell.

  45. dirt  August 8, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Gettin there JJ, stearing a country here, not a boat……the time is coming through Gordons words and others.

  46. dirt  August 8, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Sorry Northpal, I’ve met Demo Dick Marcinko and still have a 1st edition copy of his Rogue Warrior book with a dedicated signing to me personally (favorite of mine on the shelf). I’m pretty sure he exists as does SEAL 6 which he was instrumental in bringing online, hell he basically invented it and ultimately had to retire the NAVY becasue of it. DEVGRU……? Northpal? Counterterror? Northpal? Another american who can’t/won’t goto the library. Literacy needs more impetus than just being literacy.

  47. JJ  August 8, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Let me begin Gordon by saying I respect your work. I respect what you have become , what you stand for and your bravey in expousing the truth to the military and non-militray comunity. I know it’s hard. What I take issue with is the no questions asked, ass kissing, propagandized, respect we give to the people who serve in the empires murdering. maurading, military. I understand we have been lied to from birth about our contries history and have been indoctrinated into a servile tool of the zionist. new world order, banking empire. Anti depression meds, video games. the mainstream media propagabda. Name it. It’s enough to make you wanna go kill gooks, hadji’s, nazi’s whatever the flavour of the empire’s needs direct you. It’s no different than it was a hundred years ago, a thousand years ago with one exception. The truth is out there. Guys like you serve this country, or what little is left of it, more than a thousand times more then the mindless grunts who take orders to kill civilians without a murmur. You have served this country and mankind a million times more through your words than any minute you spent in Asia defending nothing. I believe there truely is no honor in dying for kleptocratic masters. This point needs to be driven home to the troops so they get out don’t join or quit. The fight is at home boys. Support our troops. F that, I’ll support you guys when you wake up and come home to the real fight that’s here. It’s been here awhile, even in Gordon’s time.

  48. OS - Final  August 8, 2011 at 6:14 pm


    My concern as likely yours is all the outside players in these wars? How many battles are really taking place, and you know what I am talking about. The battlefield is much larger then most people believe…and this concerns me, I have seen bad thinks and deals far outside these countries.

    I know our soldiers do there jobs, and always try to watch over them no matter which country I am working in, as I am sure you do as well.

    Just mad about the security, and intell…..and whose providing both.

  49. cliff  August 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I found the image of Bin Laden in front of an old radio kind of out of place. Why was the terror of Islam limited to an old radio with rabbit ears? He looked more like a sick or frail individual with limited resources.

  50. Gordon Duff  August 8, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    as someone living in a coastal town south of dublin, reminds me of those who grew fat exporting food to britain during the potato famine
    ireland has certainly known troubles

  51. Northpal  August 8, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Was there ever a “seal team 6” or was that a fantasy also. That way everything is just another conspiracy rabbit hole to keep everybody busy as anyone with any knowledge about anything can be silenced. Then let it out they MAY have been part of the phantom “seal team 6” whose records are national security. After another dozen years of harping on it they relinquish the fact that no they were not part of the phantom team “seal team 6”. Alice how you like wonderland so far.

  52. Northpal  August 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Question, was there ever such a thing “SEAL Team 6” or was that fantasy ?

  53. dirt  August 8, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Per usual, excellent article Mr. Duff, recyling the death of the SEALS from the first lie and into this debacle is convenient. Always learn a new angle, also though, the witness stresses the commandos spoke pashtun. Sounds like green berets after language schools, not SEALS. Wish I knew, but I’d say your closer than anything I’ve read so far anywhere. Too bad it’s always about dead americans fighting zionist wars.

    To Swissik, get over your PC uselss feelings and get with the program. I rarely see anyone here talk poorly about semites. I only talk about Ashkenazi scumbags personally. 10% of Israel is actually semitic, and they are good people that believe in the real jewish laws and religion. Not the babylonian talmud that all those blue eyed ****suckers espouse, you can find them on our supreme court bench, federal reserve board, Goldman sachs, etc. There’s two kinds of Jew as I see it, the good and the bad. Any Zionist you encounter is slime. Research, research, research……

  54. Gordon Duff  August 8, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    comedy is difficult, irony even harder. BTW, I spent a week in Wicklow one afternoon. One of us has a fine Irish name at least.

  55. Gordon Duff  August 8, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I am still hiding the WMDs in Iraq, I stole the plane wreckage at the pentagon, I blew up building 7 and I am shipping 80 billion in heroin from Afghanistan.

    fargin genius.


  56. Oklahoma  August 8, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Walid Shoebat: Church Propagandist for Evangelical Zionism, Homeland Security Anti-Terrorist Trainer

    Charles E. Carlson Jul 20, 2011

    Anderson Cooper on CNN News’ show, Anderson Cooper 360o, exposed a former Palestinian school boy named Walid Shoebat, who has become a manufactured “terror expert” promoting anti-Islamist hysteria among federal law enforcement officers and in Evangelical, Christian Zionists churches. The CNN piece1 focused on unraveling Shoebat’s claimed history as a “terrorist” into a pile of yarn, showing it consisted of not even half truths. It also revealed how much money Shoebat is being paid by US taxpayers to train federal police and American Christian Zionists.

    CNN stopped short of saying what will be tough to prove… that Shoebat is a de-facto Israeli agent operating in the USA. Furthermore, it is likely he was recruited here, because it appears that Israel never heard of him when he lived with his family in Beit Lahor, near Bethlehem, where he claims to have been a “terrorist” trying to kill Jews.

    Shoebat’s written response, “I Confess…”, to Anderson Cooper’s telling exposé, was immediately spread far and wide by World Net Daily and other news sources in sympathy with Israel and Christian Zionists.2

    Why is Shoebat so well paid? Here is an example of what he says to earn his money. CNN News researcher Drew Griffin recorded Shoebat’s lecture to law enforcement and first respondent personnel in South Dakota. Griffin’s remarks included, “Shoebat’s message to the law enforcement agencies, churches and universities that pay him to speak is to trust no Muslims, especially the ones that organize. ‘All Islamic organizations in America should be the No. 1 enemy. All of them,’ he said at the South Dakota conference.”

  57. Oklahoma  August 8, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Most Republican Party candidates appear to cater to them, even if they are not themselves Judeo-Christians, because so many votes are at stake. Michelle Bachmann from Minnesota, is said to be a serious candidate for US President and is a living example of a discordant and bazaar thinker, but she will resonate with some 70 million Americans who are known to be influenced by the Judeo-Christian illness. Here are some of her words from her own website that should be carefully examined: (Endnote 1)
    *”Most Americans recognize that Israelis and Americans are two sides to the same coin because we share the same values…we even share the same mission, to be a light to the nations.. ”
    *”We learned that our Christian Faith is rooted in Judaism.” Without the laws of Moses, without the Temple (at Jerusalem) there would have been no sermon on the mount.”

    *”It was this love for Israel and the Jewish state” that brought me to volunteer for a kibbutz in 1974

    *”Upholding American values”…means “we must stand with Israel.” “I stand with Israel… “our policies in the Middle East must be guided by this imperative.”

    It should be clear to all but other Christian Zionists that Bachmann can not function in national office under oath because her first commitment is to another flag, not to the USA, to another people, not to Americans first. Other irrational beliefs common to and defining Christian Zionists that she might or might not admit to, and that are incompatible with following a traditional Jesus Christ, include:

    *Wars are just, if they are Israel’s wars…

    *The present world will be destroyed by God to punish the evil doers, and the Christ followers will be saved and ushered into a spiritual kingdom, the rest left behind.
    *The State of Israel is God’s fulfillment of the Old Testament prophesies (Jesus too).
    This bubble is about to burst, as all bubbles do. Fortunately for the Americans, Judeo-Christianity is coming apart at the seams from its own weaknesses.

  58. Oklahoma  August 8, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I know, if it is not on their tv it does not exist ,nothing works,
    Nothing, it is impossible

  59. A.Wright  August 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    They stage a raid on Abbottabad to kill Osama Bin Laden , who is already dead. Navy Seals are killed during the attack to kill someone that they know is already dead. They then kill the Navy Seals who survived , by staging a helicopter accident , sorry ‘accident’ , to stop them talking about the raid they sent them on to kill someone who was already dead. The people who staged the accident, sorry ‘accident’ will very soon of course have to be killed to stop them talking about the helicopter accident ,sorry ‘accident’ they staged to kill the Navy Seals who didn’t die in the accident , sorry ‘accident’ , no sorry accident, during the raid on Abbattobad to kill Osama Bin Laden who was already dead. The people who killed the people who killed the Navy Seals who survived the raid to kill the man who was already dead will, of course then have to be killed to stop them telling everyone the whole load of bullshit above. Except for Gordon Duff who already knows it, having made it up.

  60. SAK  August 8, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Hats off to you Gordon, for having the guts to speak the truth, wish there were more men like you in the US armed forces, and wish the rest of the Americans used only one tenth of the brain that you do, hope you and your family stay safe, the official osama story is like a B grade western movie one doesnt need to have a double digit IQ to see through the lies, which goes to show what the US Govt thinks about the intelligence of its masses, and how brain washed people are because of the main stream media, which ofcourse is entirely zionist controlled, and i can bet my life savings that the seals chinook was taken out by Mossad, infact over the lat 25 years Israel has killed more american troops and civillians (in false flag ops) than any other country. Wake up Americans.

  61. Mohammed  August 8, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    sorry- i can see that my post could have been worded better.
    i agree with you.
    there is another aspect thats not mentioned here.
    Its religious:
    the zionists are intentionally trying to hasted WW3 as they believe their messiah is going to come- itsnone other than the Dajjal/Anti Christ.
    and the ZioChristians are also very supportive of illegitimate israel- their actual motive is also to hasten the appearance of Christ/Isa (peace be upon him), which they believe will happen when all the Jews have gathered in the Holy Lands.
    they dont care how many innocent people are killed in the process.
    we Muslims also believe in the second coming of Isa/Christ, but we believe that he & all prophets were muslims- they worshipped one creator & invited people to do the same- they did not claim divinity or to be the son of god/Allah.

    Time will tell- but the signs showing that the time is near are now apparent- we muslims also believe in that.

  62. Oklahoma  August 8, 2011 at 10:56 am

    i do not like using the word thanks in regards to this post but i still used it
    i appreciate vt and appreciate your efforts and contributions,
    these Men were all better than me and i know that ,
    somrtimes the 3rd string can still hang onto a tiny shred of dignity by at least acknowledging they are 3rd string or 4th string and in that way the Men who had their crap together solid would not despise us too much
    their deaths like this is outside of the outside
    please forgive idiots like me who did nothing but yap about all this crap for years and years and had no affect on anything and didn’t save anyone or even helped save someone their last 2 pints of blood

  63. usmcviet1967  August 8, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Gordon..Geez, reading some of your writings makes me re-live “The X-Files” TV show. Conspiracy theories,
    cover-ups..the whole nine yards. I agree that the American people should have been shown Bin Laden’s body
    after the “we got him” episode. But why in hell cover up his death (supposedly in 2001), and make up this
    so-called bullshit story regarding this weekend’s Selas disaster. I try to believe in this Administration, and do
    hope that Obama is man enough to “man up”. But, then again, after capitulating last week on this horriffic debt
    deal I wonder WTF is happening ? Does he have a plan up his sleeve between now and the elections to bust
    the GOP and asshole Tea Party’ists ? Or is he just a closet whimp ? Semper Fi

  64. Oklahoma  August 8, 2011 at 10:39 am


  65. Foehammer  August 8, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Acting as if the Zionists are not to blame for many things that have negatively affected the United States of America would be the height of absurdity. Nobody on this Earth is above reproach.

  66. swissik  August 8, 2011 at 8:34 am

    This is my very first time on this website (VT), not sure how I landed on it. So I read this article and while I never believed the Bin Laden capture etc. I find that you all would have more credibility if you were not making these anti-semitic comments and charges. After I read the first one within the article I decided that this is one of those sites that is highly suspect when it concerns the truth. Just like the word racism, blaming the Jews for the world’s misery is becoming pretty old and ineffective.

  67. adeUK  August 8, 2011 at 8:30 am

    This chap may have info
    Yesterday I published an article asking some questions about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of roughly 30 American soldiers in Afghanistan, some of which belonged to the infamous SEAL Team 6.

    Thanks to my astute readers I was deluged with responses and explanations to some of my more ignorant questions.

    I have received many other e-mails, some of which I would like to publish but I need to receive permission from the authors before I do so.

    In addition I am likely going to follow up with some of the former and active military readers that have contacted me for more information as this unfolds.

    If you have any information or feedback, please contact me at [email protected] and let’s keep these deceased, brave Americans in our hearts by trying to find out just exactly what happened that day as best as we can. Please tell me if you approve of your comments being published and if you are available for follow-up comments.

  68. Gordon Duff  August 8, 2011 at 7:45 am

    looks like you have something here.

  69. Betsy Metz  August 8, 2011 at 7:02 am

    And attend the Mike Gravel-supported 9/11 hearings in Toronto 9/8-9/11/2011…

  70. Betsy Metz  August 8, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Thank you, Gordon, for all you and everyone connected with VT do… to expose truth, lies & propaganda to bring our country back to what is was intended to be… I don’t know if it ever was.. but how can we all not try to do so (knowing what many of us know now re 9/11 and all else)?

    Betsy Metz
    Independent 9/11 Truth Activist

  71. Marcos  August 8, 2011 at 6:43 am

    911 was an inside job, Americans are living in a police state.

  72. John Cloak  August 8, 2011 at 6:43 am

    Your close on this, but not 100%…I am the eyewitness…and was told “FOLLOW YOU DIE”…you should visit my website and blog at

    I wish you would, because the Obama Administration is blocking my ever move, as I try to get this information to the public before he has a chance to be re-elected…I will not go down without a fight!

  73. Well, DUH, They Are Modern-Day Gerominos!  August 8, 2011 at 6:01 am

    You are absolutely right, sir. The Pashtuns (and whoever else may be resisting the American Empire’s invasion of their respective homelands as we write–these people actually have one to secure) are no different from Native Americans (North and South) trying to repel Conquistadors or Cavalry, or the Irish the English, or the Britons the Romans, or the Greeks the Persians, or the Trojans the Greeks (etc.).

    Full Disclosure: My great-great-great-great-great-grandpappy fought for our freedom . . .

    Against the Redcoats.

  74. goshe  August 8, 2011 at 5:57 am

    I’d like to offer the word by word translation of the video above for subtitels. However i do not have video editting skills. gosheking @ gmail

  75. Jonathan Mark  August 8, 2011 at 5:07 am

    The key to get the word out.. and bring forth courageous whistleblowers is to have an independent fair investigation of events surrounding 9-11-2001 This is what former Senator Mike Gravel has proposed via a state ballot initiative for a Citizens 9/11 Investigation –

    This has already been filed for being on the 2012 ballot in Massachusetts, and soon in Oregon.

  76. SteveW  August 8, 2011 at 5:02 am

    Note to Mohammed: You need to be more specific, when you toss out misleading accusations. Nearly all of the ‘White Western Nations’ aren’t being ‘run by whites’, and in America’s case, at least not by patriotic, decent, moral whites who believe in the principles as set forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights by our 100 percent White Founding Fathers. Instead, these White Western nations are being run by the jews who’ve hijacked them, who are aided and abetted in their endless list of domestic and international crimes against humanity – and against your people at the present time – by race and nation betraying, sleazy and despicable white racial garbage.

    Take it from me, Mohammed. If white men who thought like I do ran this nation, your people would be left alone and there would be no meddling or interference in your nation’s sovereign affairs.

  77. jenny  August 8, 2011 at 4:26 am

    having read the comments, i’m a little dismayed that some ppl STILL think this is a muslim/christian thing – yes the players are of those demoninations, the ppl in charge couldn’t give less of a shit, trained animals to do the bidding of madmen! the sooner both sides realise that this is done in the name of the “great profit”, and not any great prophet or god!

  78. Jim W. Dean  August 8, 2011 at 4:20 am

    Remember Karzai made the first public announcement.

  79. Steve  August 8, 2011 at 3:37 am

    By the way, there is two facts that bother me the most about what the media stated regarding the incident: that there were 22 seals in the same aircraft and that the incident info was givin out to the public at all. NEVER put that many seals in one place in case shit like this happens they don’t take out the whole group and that they stated where they were and what they were doing at the time! I know that even family members don’t have access to that info even AFTER completion of task. I don’t think they gave much thought to all of this or they gave it ALOT of thought and ……………………. but they did have to come up with a reason why all these Seals are dead no matter what! Someone also asked, what’s going to happen to a whole Naval warship if this is the norm?

  80. Steve  August 8, 2011 at 3:05 am

    In a world were everyone is afraid of the truth it’s great to see a person such as yourself put the info out there so that people like you and I can at least say” hey, we told you this was coming a long time ago”. Individualy there’s not much we can do but collective we can make a difference. Me, I pass the info but get blown off because everyone is to far brain washed to see the truth right in front of them but that won’t deture me from getting the truth out there at least. Thx Gordon and keep it coming!

  81. Louise  August 8, 2011 at 2:46 am

    There is a machiavellian story about when Margaret Thatcher was in power in Britain. She was chatting to a young fellow Tory parliamentarian whilst waiting for parliament to start and he points to the opposition and says – “they are the enermy’ and Thatcher replies “no they are the opposition, the enermy is behind you.”

  82. Mohammed  August 8, 2011 at 1:18 am

    so, what does all this prove?
    that the real terrorists are not muslims but whites who claim to be Christians & they are running your countries.
    what are you guys going to do about it?

    its almostf unny when people refer to the western troops as “brave”- most of them are stupid cowards- the real brave ones are the people who refuse to obey orders and are prepared to go through all the bullshit disciplinary hearings etc- cos they know that what they are being ordered to do is WRONG..

    you guys here who are current & ex military should get all troops to realise that they are NOT serving their country & not fighting terrorism.

    they are serving the zionist bankers & the military/industrial machine- they are just expendable tools to be used to allow these parasites to get their filthy paws on other peoples mineral resources & natural wealth.

  83. Louise  August 7, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Yep, fake Osama killing (he was already dead and wrapped in plastic back in December 2001), fake seals, fake death of seals that killed Osama, fake burial at sea for ‘seals.’

    But where is the bloody popcorn?

    Like the woman said in the cafe in the movie Harry Met Sally – Fake, Fake, Fake.

  84. Louise  August 7, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I would support the Australian Government telling President Obama that we want an independent inquiry into 9/11 to start by the end of 2011 or Australia pulls it troops out of Afghanistan NOW.

  85. Louise  August 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Yes, fake Osama bin Laden capture, fake seals involved, fake death of seals on helicopter carrying seals. Obama was already dead so they just made a noise in Abbotabad and then tossed Osama’s body in the ocean.

    The EU countries and Canada are all pulling their troops out of Afghanistan so America needs to either stay there all by themselves or have an excuse to pull out.

    The EU countries are not increasing their military budgets either, they are all implementing austerity measures and cutting their military budgets, so these wars have not generated military sales. The GCF bubble burst sooners than the planners of 9/11 had hoped for and everyone is now too cashed strapped to conintue fighting these wars any longer. I hope someone has told Israel not to think about starting anything after the world all votes to have a Palestinian state at the UN in September. I am hoping that the whole ‘debt ceiling’ discussion has brought this home to Israel – no one in America will back another war.

  86. Jimi Bigbear  August 7, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Hear! Hear! Leif!

    “Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived…
    He had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him.
    He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”

    – John F. Kennedy,
    President of the
    United States of America

  87. OS - Final  August 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm


    We know the information being released by major media is bogus, they would have sent gunships (first)……and you know there on location. There’s gunships available for backup….standard operating procedure. And these gunships have thermal imaging technology and would easily detect ground forces. Seals are not used in this way….at all, used for special operations and in smaller groups.

    When will they take the crayons and coloring books away from these so-called intell personal?

  88. Louise  August 7, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Snoopy, the USA military complex has a reputation amongst it allies as never being able to produce anything on time or on budget, and they always want R & D money up front. The USA military complex is an industry ‘made for America’ because it is incompetent, it is like when you buy software and they always have that writing in the small print about what the product can do – subject to development. When you buy weapons from the USA, when it does finally deliver something you only get half of what you order, so if you order helicopters with guns, you get the helicopters without the guns, they send the guns over when they have worked out how to make them.

    Regarding this story about the seals – lets get this straight – the Osama bin Laden hit that the ‘Seals’ did was phoney (Osama was already dead and wrapped in plastic back in December 2001) the ‘Seals’ coup this year was phoney and I bet the story about the Ospreys being shot down was phoney as well just so that no one would ever ask to talk to the ‘Seals’ that took out Osama. As the woman in the cafe says in the movie Harry Met Sally – Fake, Fake, Fake.

  89. OS - Final  August 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm


    Yes you do make some good points, so give your suggestion for the deaths? Or is the real reason classified as well. There is no real reason for loading this many Seals on single aircraft, now is there? In time more info will be released, and we have enough people to debug false info. I worked with seal teams, army ranger, this isn’t how they operate on missions…..

  90. barrie w  August 7, 2011 at 8:16 pm


  91. barrie w  August 7, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    possibly. but, tell me they are wrong.

  92. barrie w  August 7, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    lack of balls. challenge me.

  93. Vox  August 7, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    This means one thing:

    Another Mossad 9/11 False Flag on America is on its way to lead America in to war with Iran.

  94. Billal  August 7, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    The TRUTHFULNESS of the American Governments can be judged from the fact that they took down a whole country (Iraq) on the false accusation of them having WMD and chemical weapons and yet after six years of useless bloodshed werent able to produce a mere firecracker from Saddam Hussiens closet =p

  95. Julian Lee  August 7, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Yes, it was my attempt at levity in the midst of this horrible story, my apologies to any I have offended, it was not my intention.

    Sarcasm indeed.

  96. beausoleil  August 7, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Why don’t we stop caring about the stupid their stupid credit ratings and kick the bankers out like they did in Ecuador.

  97. beausoleil  August 7, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    This was supposed to be a reply to the comment about the FBI being busy abducting children to be used as sex slaves for ‘dignitaries’ in Washington D.C. Something that also has so much evidence it’s sickening, because they use their diplomatic immunity to get away with it.

  98. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 5:39 pm


    Is that your real name?

    You are a silly person, obviously sent here and your comment is childish and off subject. Time you started supporting the people of Israel who are in the streets by the thousands.

    With friends like you, Israel doesn’t need enemies.


  99. beausoleil  August 7, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    This is a huge problem, and we can do something about it now by seriously looking into adopting a child. I”m doing it, and I never thought I’d ever do such a thing until I read about the Franklin Cover Up by Sen. John DeCamp and started investigating the subject on You Tube. Child Protective Services in Texas is very suspect, taking children from parents for one anonymous phone call, or phony drug tests on single mothers. There are thousands of them children waiting. Please pass this information on and consider adopting. Don’t wait. It’s one freedom, one right still left to us.

  100. birdy  August 7, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    There may have been a grain of believability in this article until you brought Israel into it. Every paranoid, delusional antisemite sees Jews under the bed. Obama isn’t constrained by Israel in any way. But Israel is unable to defend themselves without international criticism – they can’t even build in their own country without Obama condemning them. You’ve lost your credibility…

  101. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Because you read it in the papers and they got it from a press release?
    And you call others fools?

  102. Tom Foolery  August 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    One problem with your BS theory: these guys were NOT the same guys who got OBL. Same unit — that’s all. Nice try. Great journalism. Just lacks one thing — credibility.

  103. william f mcdonagh3  August 7, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    id like to give my deepest condolences to the families of our fallen brothers,i cant imagine the pain they suffered fighting to keep america free,if we didnt have a reason to go into afghanistan we do now.this website is the best,veterans fight for our freedom and then help us express our feelings and greivances with our own government,thats probably the only reason im not locked up,the government might be worried the military might side with us in a rebellion,i always knew we lived in a great country,we must expose the treason of our government no matter how hurtfull it may be,the truth hurts,i am prepared to go fight overseas,or in our own streets to preserve liberty,take a bullet or be blown to bits,the only fear i have is of being framed as a traitor or living the lie of a slave,i believe on your website i read somewhere the most hated man in america is the one trying to tell the truth to the american people. gordon i dont doubt that is the way you say it is seal team 6 ben laden raid,no more witnesses kind of like the warren commission that was my first thought however far fetched,i dont like to make statements unless i have some evidence to back it up,it does seem very odd,maybe thats enough,im just not ready to state it as fact with sensitivities to the fallens families,our enemies have no problem exploiting tradgedy ,maybe thats how they have the upper hand, exploiting my weakness,kindness good will,honor and shame i do not believe they killed ben laden but that as we know would take hours to produce all of the evidence,that points to that,they must have changed their story so many times on par with the 9-11 false flag attack where is the goddamned body,how stupid do they think we are,and where is the evidence or trial tying him to 9-11 all i know is the first trade center bombing most if not all were on the cia payroll along with every heroin dealer in afghanistan

  104. OS - Final  August 7, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    So how would they stop loyal Americans, loyal Veterans from blowing the whistle today? You can think about that one…..over and out.

  105. Lee  August 7, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I know there is no al qaeda, that’s a no brainer. That mystery all started under slick willy, then carried on by bush. You seem to be stuck in that false left/right paradigm, and who knows someday, you just might wake up!

    The real problem is, who controls these people? You never seem to mention that for some reason. Maybe the trilaterial commission, or maybe the bilderbergs, or maybe the cfr? You can find both republicans and democrats as fine outstanding members of those orginizations. Of course, you probably overlooked this!

  106. Jim W. Dean  August 7, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Jack, He has numerous qualifiers all through it.

    “Someone had gotten to someone. My best guess and this is a guess…an expose’ by the mainstream media, perhaps Murdoch, another guess, conjecture I admit,…”

    I have have never seen a line like this in a ‘fabricated’ piece. It’s obviously a preliminary piece on what just happened. But the long dead Obama is old news The faked and rigged terrorism stuff is big biz. I suggest you read the Operation Gladio piece of earlier in the work, and imagine how many trained fleas bought the conspiracy theory cover story on that. Hell, most Americans, and even most in the military don’t have a clue about it, despite the archive record.

    In the biz we call this hiding in plain sight. Before google searches this could work 🙂

    We are on the number two story on this so far. Do you believe that if a ‘unit’ was pinned down as they say, and they were sending a ready reaction force in…they would send only one chopper??…and land it in a fire fight within RPG range?

  107. OS - Final  August 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    And I don’t care about the source, but the soldier coming forward. Because when there’s nobody reporting the activities, there’s more corruption and high level crime.

  108. Shaqi  August 7, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I am a Pakistani and live near Abbotabad. Whatevr done in Abbotabad was a drama. No1 here beleive that this happen. whteva happens was just a drama 2 provide Americans a reason to draw-out from Afghanistan and quit Afghan which had led USA 2wards financial crisis…….

  109. OS - Final  August 7, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Take a moment, and watch the video below. This was common during the last administration, I know, I was put in the same situation, and information was leaked from the FBI to the criminals committing the crimes. At high level.

    I believe there are many veterans that reported criminal activities during the last administration, veterans reporting crime, and then being treated as criminals for reporting crime.

    So much of your tax dollars were stole during the last administration; and now being used to stop criminal investigations. More people need to come out and report the crimes, why are these people, the last administration, still FREE after committing so many crimes?

    You want your country back? We need to prosecute leaders from the last administration, and only then will your freedoms return. How can so few take so much through criminal activities, and get away with their crimes?

    Now think about Gordon’s story? And stop pretending it was just a nightmare, because it’s not over…..

  110.  August 7, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    WOW! Great story! Thanks for telling the truth VT! I love this magazine!

  111. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    these were pilots with the “right stuff’…hell, most of them seemed to have survived even though not even one piece of clothing, baggage or seats, not even the huge billets that hold the tail section in place, the most indestructable part of the planes survived.
    Have you heard of the new group?
    9/11 Hijackers for Truth?

  112. Pat Gray  August 7, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    We know our democracy is dead and ‘our’ government is corrupt to the core. We live in a plutocracy where the wealthy rule the land to their benefit and with the oppression of the working people. Knowing that….what are you going to do? The anniversary of the war in Afghanistan is coming on Oct. 6, 2011 and demonstrations are planned in Washington D.C. (District of Criminals). People are planning to gather in Freedom Plaza near the White House and to STAY THERE until their demands are met. Google October 6, 2011. It is time for us to have a rebellion.

  113. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 11:58 am

    a second black heliocopter we have lost recently….coinicidence
    are you saying aliens did it?
    space or the mexican kind?
    let us know

  114. Steve  August 7, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Or…………….Now that everyone thinks they’re dead and gone the REAL operation can take place with Seals that don’t exsist as far as the world knows???????????

  115. Snoopy  August 7, 2011 at 11:19 am

    More obscene than the POTUS and crew staging a war room photo-op replete with Hillary’s hand-over-mouth posing?

    More obscene than launching wars on fabricated evidence?

    More obscene than the trauma inflicted upon veterans, local civilians and fighters?

    More obscene than the US on the verge of bankruptcy all due to these wars based on false narratives?

    More obscene than MSM working as propaganda arms of the Pentagon and various Neo-con think tanks?

    More obscene than the US Congress receiving a foreign head of state with more lusty applause than afforded our own of either party?

    More obscene than covering up incidents such as 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, OKC, etc?

    I think its obscene to overlook all this.

  116. Curtis Ensler  August 7, 2011 at 11:00 am

    This is obscene. And I speak as someone who thinks the OBL assasination was obscene whether we did it or not. There is no reason to spread one of these rumors without evidence. It can only be hurtful especially to ppl who are only attempting to do their duty to their country and to their families. For God’s sake, all the families have not even been notified yet. Please take this down.

  117. Snoopy  August 7, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I took Julian’s commentary as objective sarcasm, perhaps mistakenly, but its up to him/her to clarify it as such.

    But towards the points raised; historically there truly are circumstances where missions are thrown together and undue risk towards men and material are assumed, these are usually rescue missions of small units about to be overrun or downed pilots.

    And as a side note thanks to VT for continuing to provide thought provoking editorials and reader comments that would be wiped off the digital map of MSM news sites.

  118. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 10:33 am

    still waiting for that check
    and the one from the cia
    and the mossad
    and iran
    and the accusations keep piling up, made by folks whose med levels need a bit of checking

  119. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Some good points here.

  120. ClarkeUSMC  August 7, 2011 at 10:25 am

    First of all “SEAL Team 6” does not exist and is a fictitious name that merely provides a sexy cover name for a spec-ops unit. Secondly, it would be entirely un-necessary to stage an actual raid to claim Bin Laden’s death or capture. These operations and their personnel are classified, so it would be much easier to just claim such an event took place than the elaborate hoax and elimination of witnesses suggested here. A CH-47 or CH-46 (USMC) are half a century old aircraft, they are low and slow and are very recognizable prime movers for troops. They would provide an easy target for relatively dated shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles.

    I despise Obama and do believe him to be a Marxist with a hatred of Anglo centric culture and do believe he is at least sympathetic with Muslims if not one himself, but I do not believe this was some grand conspiracy to take out the the SEAL Team to silence them. This suggested idea is as absurd as the claims made by 9/11 “Truthers.”

  121. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 10:17 am

    You don’t load Seals and move them anywhere without more than a plan…a mission.
    Why Seals?
    Why in Afghanistan where anyone could have done it?
    They only do high value targets.

  122. Still very confused  August 7, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Pakistanis know all of it but are not saying it. Please ask from some of your sources to clear all the mystery. What is their involvement in all this?

  123. Coco  August 7, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Gordon, congrats in becoming troll-fodder. You must be on the right path.

  124. Coco  August 7, 2011 at 9:38 am

    “You are a nut …” look, Comrade, calling something that stinks to high heavens utter BS is not fairytale delusions. Burying your head in the dirt, and pretending everything is honky-dorry is delusional. So please take your admittedly honest bull, topped w/ fascist (out of touch) insinuations (who & what owns VT), out of a reality based discussions regarding the state of our nation.

  125. wolf  August 7, 2011 at 9:01 am

    DA white:
    And do you really believe that the 9/11 ‘terrorist’ attacks were perpetrated by 19 Arabs with box cutters? Take two red pills and call me in the morning. You are clearly suffering from cognitive dissonance.

  126. Gordon Duff  August 7, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Jim Dean puts in photos

  127. Denny Cautrell  August 7, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Gordon, so you actually get paid by AfPak to propagandize. Well, golleeee! sarge, that sounds just downright Awful. Will you be exposed by one of your own? Demented minds want to know. Thanks.

  128. wallytron  August 7, 2011 at 8:23 am

    ha ha and jfk shot himself…..ha ha

  129. Frances  August 7, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Julian Lee, I was, WAS married to a UDT.. believe me when I say,they are VERY prepared and VERY organized. To the point of obsession over TIME.. Time is an all consuming thing to a SEAL. I know I lived with it for near 5 years. They are great people , at what they do..

  130. Tom Valentine  August 7, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Are the controls by the plotters in charge finally coming apart? lots of info here that is over the head of a P-boat chauffer from early 50s; News control. Local rag (neocon stronghold) here in Naples FL did not mention a word of the 200,000 Israel protests; even Drudge/sludge carried it yesterday, to my surprise

  131. AS  August 7, 2011 at 4:59 am

    Excellent Gordon !

  132. AS  August 7, 2011 at 4:54 am

    it’s efinitive they killed them because they knew it was a fake operation…

  133. Robbie the Pict  August 7, 2011 at 4:49 am

    Sorry to repeat a posting of some time ago but it would appear to me, as an outsider, that America will need public criminal ‘trials in absence’ on public television if you want to rid yourselves of so many treasonous parasites of whatever hue. It is now a fully-fledged infestation. Instead of lighting up Israel’s favourite targets you might need to fire some big flares into certain Washington offices. Good luck with that.

  134. Louise  August 7, 2011 at 2:06 am

    I’ve been thinking the same thing – where does anyone go when they have all of the facts to get something done about it.

    When I saw the news story about the hit on the seals I did not realise they were the guys that were involved in the ‘killing’ of Osama.

  135. Glenn  August 7, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Well, lets look at the concept of institutionalized corruption. Had Whitey Bulger only murdered one person with the help of his FBI pals, that would be an abberation. We could safely chalk it up to flaws in humanity, not the FBI specifically. Unfortunately, Bulger was suspected of murdering 19 people. If only two or three of these were killed with the assistance of Bulgers FBI handlers, the entire agency needs to be torn down and reorganized from the ground up. When you add to this the long list of evils the FBI gets caught committing, and knowing that only a tiny percentage of the FBI’s crimes are actually exposed, we begin to see the FBI for what they truly are. Merely the KGB with different hats.

  136. Louise  August 7, 2011 at 1:19 am

    On Foxtel the other day they showed the ‘9/11 Osama bin Laden’ video just to remind us all that it was Muslims who ‘done it’ of course Foxtel is partly owned by Murdoch’s News Limited so I was not really surprised.

    I was thinking, regarding America and its huge debt, it is looking like the Titanic, after it hit the iceberg and every country that has any associated with it has had it hands on a life-raft for some time now, getting reading to jump when the ship finally goes down. America makes money out of military weapons and when the ship starts sinking really badly and looks like going under then America is going to need war, war between other countries that is so that they buy lots of military weapons from America. Imagine how desperate the last 1500 people were who were left on the Titanic, they were desperate people who would have done anything to survive.

    This is why the ‘puppetmaster’ America is finding that few countries are dancing to their tune when they pull the strings, countries realise that they need to make sure they look after their own long term interests instead of America’s interests. Countries like Turkey and India are being friends with everyone, they are trading with everyone because they need to survive. The cost of America’s military might is now a huge anchor around its neck and it is taking America down. The rest of us need to do as much trade with each other and build relationships with each other so that we survive and do not have the wars that America is going to want.

  137. Glenn  August 7, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Robert Rosebrock showed the world what I had been saying for years. The VA has a policy of destroying any veteran that speaks up too loudly about corruption within the VA. When I said it, people called me a kook. When I said the VA police are little more than thugs, they called me a nut. When I said VA police tap phones, plant GPS trackers, and use confidential informants to follow veterans around as a means to slander and conduct character assassination, they told me I was off my rocker. Now, in 2009 the Rosebrock case and the news story of coordinated VA police harassment at the Waco, TX VAMC has shown that I may not be quite crazy. Maybe it’s like the man says, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. I just wonder how long we it will take to get to the winning part if the movers and shakers out there don’t get more involved. We have the enemy on the run, but we seem unable to organize and go on the offensive at the grass-roots level. Rosebrock for president, say I.

  138. Julian Lee  August 7, 2011 at 12:23 am

    You are paranoid, this was a bad event, thats it. Nothing else to it.
    Im sure the Seals load up twenty deep in a single chopper all the time.Especially for civilian hostages. Happens all the time.
    This was just a fly by night mission with no planning. Seals are known to be unprepared. Their commanders are known to make mistakes like this. Nothing to see here, carry on.

  139. Glenn  August 7, 2011 at 12:12 am

    The FBI is far too busy kidnapping little children off the streets for use as sex slaves for politicians ( this from an actual FBI agent himself ) and poisoning anti-war activists to actually stop crime. That is, any crime that the FBI isn’t already making a tidy profit from. Just ask Whitey Bulger.

  140. Glenn  August 7, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Hey Gordon, every tyrant needs an army. Without that army, the tyrant is just another village idiot. Look no further than Hitlers Sturmabteilung for evidence of that. So here we are in the glorious Age of Information, the American Fascists are gathering into their respective Bunds. Remember what Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said: “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?” Gordon, I think you have spent so much time with the Generals & Majors, you have forgotten about the grunts down here in the trenches. I have spent the last two years drawing as many brownshirts as possible unto myself. They know me, and I know them. I am quite sure Robert Rosebrock has a nice little list of local Nazis as well. We stand a chance of communicating to the 5th columnists in America that we on to their game. Given the right tools, we can begin to shine the spotlight on them, thus causing them to scatter like the cockroaches they are. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to discover more about my detractors. But I know someone that might have access to those resources. We play our cards right, and we may be able to capitalize on the beachhead that Mr. Rosebrock was kind enough to provide for us. Now worries, I am not opposed to going it alone, of course. Been doing it for 42 years now. So to answer your question, Gordon, the plate is right in front of you, Call it and send it out of the park.

  141. Snoopy  August 6, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Assuming the official story is at least correct concerning the date and type of aircraft…

    OK, let me get this straight, in order to make budget room for CV-22 Ospreys the US Military retired the high-tech Sikorsky MH-53 Pave Low Special Operations helicopter, a custom-tailored SPECOPS vehicle with all sorts of defensive measures such as CHAFF and highly trained pilots, and because of this SEALS end up flying around on standard issue CH-53s?

  142. Smitty  August 6, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    I read that Bin Laden had been interviewed just a few years prior to 9/11 when he was very much wanted. I do not recall the details but the interviewee had no trouble finding him. That made me realize either the CIA wasn’t doing their job (which they probably aren’t but that’s another story) or nobody really cared about the guy.

    Your encounter just supports this

    Also, I have no doubt that the world’s private media has been consolidated into the single digits. It’s obvious. CNN, the NYT, and Newscorp might have different unimportant ‘issues’ but their foreign policy POV is all the same

  143. evaDane  August 6, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    You asked about the timing of bin Ladens “dead”
    It was the same day as NATO killed Ghadaffi´s son and 3 grandchildren. To avoid too much anger (we in Europe are so angry because of the attack on Libya) and to overshadow this “event(killing Ghadaffis son/3 childs) they published bin Ladens dead (4th dead).
    They are always timing the false flag

  144. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    A clue:
    There is no Al Qaeda
    Bin Laden was always CIA
    There are no liberals
    You can take that to the bank…from a member of the RNC.
    One of the things that drives me nuts, dems won’t talk to me…and i know all the republicans….
    what they have done… utterly inexcusable
    but..debating politics….
    Bush and his gang KILLED the US.
    Bad as dems are…they gave us a spanking…
    Republicans put one in the heart and two in the brainpan.
    If you can’t see it….


  145. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    The AAO Cartel created a division to develop the technology.

  146. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Stevor has been torturing me for years. He is incurable.

  147. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Tell me where the plate is?

  148. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Best comment of the week.

  149. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Because how could the RPG guy have shot down (3) black hawks, there two fast, and smaller?

  150. Jim W. Dean  August 6, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Kev, And if I heard right…at night, too. Now there’s a trick.

    And an op like that would have had to have advance guys on the ground to give the all clear to the chopper.

  151. Jim W. Dean  August 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Bud,That is too often a sad reality. I will never forget running into old combat vets ducking doing stuff being requested, and nothing hairy either, and telling me they did not want to risk having their VA benefits hurt. When I asked them what the hell they were talking about they said they did not want to get on the doo doo list because they would be punished with substandard VA…as in put on a list for it.

    I have to say, I don’t shock easy…but I was speechless. I realized I had to dial back my aspirations on the older guys, and never assume.

  152. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    You mean the gestapo.

  153. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    I rest my case! Until you realize we have a corrupt two party system, this nightmare will just get worse!


  154. Glenn  August 6, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    As I have been asking you for quite some time, Gordon, when will you and your buddies step up to the plate?

  155. ali  August 6, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Day by day America is getting bogged down in a unpopular and costly war with no light at the end of the tunnel and now with a financial chaos at home. America cannot fight insurgency and that was proven long time back from the Vietnam era.Bush should have studied the history of Afghanistan before going to war. Alexander the Great failed,British Empire failed,Russians failed, What makes you think Americans can do it?

  156. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    couldn’t make it to Tucson brother show support right here and now against all corrupt cops…..
    all corruption period ……..disgraceful and loathsome is the system that fails its objective would not you agree Lee

  157. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    One other thing to both of you …you are niether a “Republic” nor a “democracy”
    Your country USA is but a dictatorial sphincter…opening and closing at the wimm and the will of the “Regular Zionist” bowel movement

  158. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Where was you in Tucson, showing support against the corrupt cops there?

  159. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Lee Cops are protecting the very people that you are (rightly so) holding contempt ……just really confusing …….

  160. Christopher Wingate  August 6, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    I was in Pakistan in early 1999 with retired NZ Minister of Defense Sir Peter Tapsell and ex government intelligence Frank Brosnahan. In March 1999 in Rawalpindi we saw Bin Laden and 4 others. I knew he was wanted by the USA with regard to terror attacks and reminded both Peter and Frank of that fact. Later after the 9/11 events I made direct contact with the US State Department and the FBI to remind them of when and where we saw Bin Laden. They had zero interest.

    It reminded me of when I was in DC during the preparation of Desert Storm and an interesting conversation I had with a retired high level Israeli intelligence contact who gave me the inside view of Iraq the puppets running it and how the entire event was no more than an exercise for the movement of money from the corrupt government of Kuwait to others in the arms trade who invested in US politicians and who wanted a return of their money.

    As the years have gone by I have grown to simply not believe was I read. Given the US Federal Reserve is controlled by some 60 families who charge the US government/tax payers 3% on money that does not exist other than simply invented on a computer screen. So nothing surprises me anymore.

    The worlds private media companies have been consolidated from more than 170 down to 4 ensuring control is 100%. Next time you look at a media editor of a major publication realize they have two bosses to answer to.

    The public are pawns in some very very sick games and the only way democracy lives again is when society demands the removal of all forms of immunity our politicians, bureaucrats and judges hide behind. The sad fact is they are puppets for others hidden from the public and until they are personally liable and answerable before a public jury nothing will change.

  161. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Lee Cops swear oath…to obey the very orders that you will disobey…what up? does not jive ……..
    once an oather always an oather …..
    Did not know of you “Muster” q anwsered ……
    your turn … can you have Cops who swear oath on your side ???????
    try not to “forget to answer my last questions (typical spin).”
    Yes all cops who would swear to these oaths are indeed “corrupt”/ corrupted

  162. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 8:23 pm


    The high level weapons are all electronic…..all they have to do, is unplug you. Hope you understand.

  163. Stanley  August 6, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    A good related question is, why is the richest nation on earth still flying so many of its super-elite commandos around in a 50-year-+ old design helicopter?? The Chinooks were the workhorses back in the 60s…

  164. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Soap Box
    Agree….exposed are now doomed….and as Ann points out the roaches are paniced……….
    Panic makes unrational thinking that much more predictable ……..

  165. Jeff Prager  August 6, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    My last comment is inaccurate based on further research.

  166. Paul  August 6, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    If this is true then I guess theres a doomed Navy ship floating around over there too.

  167. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Second that g….. Tashfeen Qayyum
    There are many many peoples worldwide with their eyes wide open now, and we can see exactly what is happening to your people, and all of us really at the same time …..we can see that others suffer more than some, and that some have been used as pawns and game pieces……Many Many world citizens know that the Pakistani peoples are good people as are many countries ……Writers like Gordon are keeping real information moving so that many more can also open their eyes and see clearly……
    so by moving this info you too can be instrumental in creating change for all………….
    We are with you Tashfeen Qayyum…..

  168. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    What really gives it away, is how secret their operations are, and someone just happen to know their location. Ya right!

  169. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Poison? Used for emergency surgery and implant….the new program.

  170. Awake Citizen  August 6, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    The only way we can stop this is with help from the military. Enough is enough. Mr. Duff, I just want to thank you for your honesty, your integrity, and the truth. I’m linking this article to everybody I know.

  171. Jeff Prager  August 6, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Just in. ALL 22 Seals were buried at sea today.

    No valid reason to bury them at sea, other than to prevent autopsies and identification.

  172. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    You accidentally forgot to answer my last questions (typical spin). Do you think all cops are corrupt?

  173. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Why are there COP badges/patches at your site………?????????

  174. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Great points
    How about a one way ticket on one of those five year space missions that g mentioned……
    Never to return………
    It just would not be safe being on the same planet………

  175. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Did you miss our Muster in Tucson? And why?

  176. Soap Box  August 6, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    “Everyone that tells the truth is in grave danger; much more those that live the truth; much more still that have followers unto the truth”
    BS! For every ‘truther’ they take out, a million are ready to step in his place.
    Once exposed, they are doomed. They will shrivel in the light. Do not fear. Its a matter of time..

  177. Jon Jon  August 6, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    You might want to double check your own
    You have a list of orders that you will not obey ……
    You then have a list of badges guessing supporters ….
    In the list of badges/patches you have COP badges/patches ….WTF
    Cops allways swear to obey all the orders that your org professes to not obey …WTF are they doing there…….this cannot be taken seriously with COP/SUPPORT…..outright hypocritical no????? Cops are trained to SHOOT TO KILL….why??? ….liability that is why….regardless of if that was the right target or not ….liability ….straight from the horses mouth ……..
    Double think that one bud ……..

  178. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    One other thing, we are a Republic. And a Republic has no King!

  179. Ken Rechtstein  August 6, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Check former Blackwater mercenaries for the hit and CIA-MOSSAD-AMAN operatives/trail too.

  180. OS-Final  August 6, 2011 at 7:11 pm


    For an RPG to hit a helicopter, it had to be flying low, for the helicopter to crash from low altitude and kill all? hmmmm….you right!

  181. The Red Pill  August 6, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Head on over to facebook and like our page, this information needs to be shared with anyone that has a functioning brain. Feel free to leave links to any other similar stories.

  182. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I know there are more conservatives involved right now, because we have a liberal destroying our country. But as soon as we have a phoney conservative, it will be more balanced. (provided we make it that far)

  183. Ken Rechtstein  August 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Very good point, very plausible, and blaming their death on the “Taliban” makes even more easy to swallow for the gullible and trustful decent citizens.

  184. OS - Final  August 6, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    What are the changes all died from this crash, Gordon’s right.

  185. OS - Final  August 6, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    And I have worked with Seal Teams, they are good people, creative thinkers, and loyal Americans.

  186. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Yes, of course, if the car was driving in a sewer.

  187. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:24 pm


  188. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Operation was sabotaged, we have all of it.

  189. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Of course, the names of those involved in the Pakistan operation is above top secret.

    Wonder when AP joined the CIA?


  190. allovertheplace  August 6, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Everyone that tells the truth is in grave danger; much more those that live the truth; much more still that have followers unto the truth.

  191. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    This article, though it seems to have gone viral, is pointed at a very few people.

    It isn’t even written…this is how I talk, as radio and tv folks know.

    If I can’t take their shit anymore, it is my hope that others can’t either….with some of those others with enough muscle and intelligence..perhaps even moral courage to make a difference.
    As for the public, government could give a shit.
    This should be sitting on a few desks and in a few emails in DC…with a note…
    “This asshole has our number”

  192. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I have visited your blogs…..some good folks there but tons of right wing extremists, zionists and total fools whose view of the real constitution makes me sick.
    If you want to talk about things, see what our differences are, you know to get ahold of me.
    I liked your initial idea….but ran like hell away from your organization when it looked to me like it had been hijacked by neocon warmongers.
    If i am wrong on that…please correct me.
    We are a friggin democracy here and i am king.

  193. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    We just do what we do and since we aren’t paid and are universally hated by the ADL, SPLC and Right Wing Extremists, the White Supremacists and Lefties alike, we must be doing something right.

  194. Soap Box  August 6, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Gordon –
    Please help with a simple question..
    When ordinance, a bomb, say a car bomb, explodes above the surface of the soil, say 2 to 3 ft, does it dig and leave a crater in the soil after the blast?
    Your comments will be much appreciated.
    Thank you.

  195. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I can picture the attempt…..”you think you are putting us on that thing?”

  196. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    We can never forget that these are our children.

  197. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    I wrote it to ‘test the waters.’
    It is a honed populist message, one I think we might be able to all agree on.

  198. OS - Final  August 6, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    What don’t you understand, remember the photos of the military persons in the prisons, wrongfully treating prisoners. Did you see the real photos that had the contractors commanding the acts, the real ones I seen in Asia shown to me by European? If not go back to sleep.

  199. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    The calls have been made.

  200. Tashfeen Qayyum  August 6, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Good to read this. America is awake, we thought you are asleep. Atleast there are some people who think and understand. Most of you are under the spell of your media. I am a Pakistani and thank you for this expose,as we are suffering as a nation because of the nuclear bomb that we have and the silly US, India and Israel nexus.
    Sorry about the unnecessary deaths.

  201. Prien  August 6, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Exactly, Gordon. And one story had it the chopper was just tsking off. How in the world could everyone have then been killed in a chopper hit by just one RPG.

    This stinks to high heaven. Exactly like the Tillman murder.


  202. Ann  August 6, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The parasites are in a wild panic lest their plans leak out ahead of time. They will become more paranoid and murderous with each passing day. They have been at this a long time and have had considerable success and never planned for the day when they would have to stop or get caught. That day is now here.

    Gen. Patton realized too late he’d been had and characteristically defied the parasites, and intended to tell Americans upon his return all he had learned. Contrary to the Hollywood movie cover story, he was travelling in a jeep with several others, and a plot was hatched to ram and kill him with a truck.

    En route he stopped the jeep and everyone got out while he took pictures afterwhich they retuned to different seats, so when the truck rammed he was not killed but severely injured at the neck. He was stabilized at a local military hospital, his wife arrived to accompany himback to Walter Reed, but then the vermin (OSS-CIA) showed up to interrogate him in. Ten days later he was wheeled back out to his wife. Dead.

    Rmember U2 pilot Gary Francis Powers? In the early 60’s he took off from Peshawar (hmmm) for a recon mission over the Soviet Union and as the story goes was shot down and taken prisoner. Upon his return home after a spy swap he worked in the air industry, where they could keep tabs on him, but the parasites must have tired of that or found some other vile stunt for fun. He took a job as a weather helicopter pilot and guess what? His copter ran out of fuel midair, and after several attempts to land, the entire back fell off. What did he know that the cowards, traitors, and parasites fear?

    And how about Larry McDonald who fearlessly took on the New World dysOrder parasites on television and spilled the beans about their depraved plans, and went down over Kamchatka on the Korean airline, afterwhich the blame was pinned on Soviet fighter pilots?

    Then there’s the shameful stories of the parasites murdering Col. Sabow who would not participate in the narcotics trade, and P.O. Yeakey who knew Oklahoma City was an inside job, the two Arkansas teenage highschool boys who were murdered and left on train tracks so their young little bodies would be torn to shreds because they witnessed the drug trade’s night flights at some nearby military base, and Barry Jennings who simply vanished into thin air because his 9-11 observations contradicted the official alibi, it goes on and on.
    Who is ordering the hits?

    If you parasites are reading this could you please just take your loot and go to Paraguayor some private island and stay there? It’s bad enough that you and your larva are destroying the whole country but are you completely devoid of brains? Do you not notice events spiralling faster than you can handle them? How long can you keep ordering hits, buying people off, and owning publicity before you go too far and start running in all directions like roaches?

    The good old days when you could plan grand larceny, narcotics trades and fronts, and world wide murder sprees from your Skanks and Bums club at Yale are closing. Yeah, that big roach motel was really great for planning two world wars,all those revolutions, and the drug turf war known to the rest of us as Vietnam. It must have been so much fun! Is there anything more delightful than rivers of blood! But the party has peaked, you trashed the whole place, and when we start to clean up your filty mess the smarter of you will be gone, and the stupider of you will be left holding the bag.

    Please just go.

  203. Andrew Seidman  August 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Dear Mr. Duff;

    I found out about this discussion through Jeff Prager and felt inclined to contribute.

    I feel you are on to a very key point here :

    “I can’t imagine 31 extremely heavily outfitted top level “first tier” special ops guys, worth millions apiece, getting into a single Chinook….but…”

    I attempted to join the service myself, once upon a time, with an eye on becoming a SEAL – 99 ASVAB – a bit too rebellious for boot camp, but I learned a lot.

    One thing I learned is that the military, as you noted, does not routinely put SEALs worth millions in military training on equipment on a helicopter together.

    Also consider that Fox News – which any researcher worth his or her salt knows was heavily funded in its rise to power, along with the rest of News Corporation, by late CIA black fund director Ted Shackley – was the primary source to put this news out.

    Finally consider that the conglomerate who you do this good work to expose is quite known for faking deaths in the past.

    Here’s a Social Security Death Index lookup. As no names or details have been given about SEAL 6, it is unlikely you can use this to look up their names – but I will tell you this : look up Todd Beamer, the “hero” of United 93.

    He has no extant death certificate, or didn’t last time I checked. Neither does about 70% or more of that flight, or American 77, and what certificates exist for the others are odd.

    Lee Harvey Oswald has no death certificate either. Nor does Jack Ruby. And if you look at the quite famous photo of Ruby “shooting” Oswald, you will find many things in it – but none of them are smoke from Mr. Ruby’s gun.

    To put it bluntly – the faked death of “heroes” or “villains” is the favored scheme of the good old boys at Langley who’ve been pulling the CIA-in-Arab-suits hustle on us for decades.

    I STRONGLY encourage you to see if you can use your connections to hunt down any names of supposed SEAL 6 operatives – and check them against that index. Something tells me you wouldn’t find much.

    It’s florid and lurid to believe these men were killed, as the Bushes have killed so many; but it’s not logical.

    f you are a bright “Company” man, and Bush Senior is – murderous, drug-dealing, criminal, and cowardly, yes, but not stupid – I have to believe he is the real brains behind all of this, as the son is not nearly smart enough on his own – you don’t have your crack black-ops team crashed in a very public accident to hide your tracks. If they’d really killed these men, I doubt you’d have heard a word.

    I really, very, very strongly believe it’s far more logical this story is a fake, put out to have an excuse for no one to be able to look deeply at the false bin Laden death story, and to get SEAL Team 6 off the books for good so they can be free to wage further terror in Libya, Afghanistan, or wheresoever else the rogue forces at Langley want to send them.

    I am a longtime fan and have a lot of respect for what you do; I’d love to hear your take.

    Francis Andrew Seidman
    God Bless America

  204. gene kalmes  August 6, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    There is an elephant in the room that has been in the room for centuries. It wears hoods and meets in the woods and castles and dungeons and the religion bonds them in a blood fraternity that swears allegiance to an entity that is the polar opposite of what most people believe to be the guiding principles of why men and women go to war with other men and women.

    We think we are fighting over things such as freedom but we aren’t. We are being tricked into killing so the dark alliance can gain control of all real estate all resources and all people.

    Incidences such as this Chinook downing certainly seems too coincidental to accept on face value as much as the larger population probably will. However, those who sort of know that it smells more rotten than Bin Laden’s 8 year old corpse need to just trust their instincts and know, the killing is not going to stop until we stop obeying the orders that are coming from this dark alliance.

    They not only use the armed forces to secure resources but they use them as hit men and then they use other troops to hit the hit men.

    And even stranger in this twisted surreal reality is these centuries old families who breed their children to participate in this cold blooded killing are complete psychopaths who try and coordinate their murders with numerology and satanic holidays.

    A large portion of our armed forces consider themselves Christian and find ways within their own rationale to justify their duty. Often that rationale is, fight them there to not have to fight them here.

    However, it is long past due that we all stop fooling ourselves as to who the real enemy is and simply forget about the chain of command and rediscover on mass that it is time to do an about face.

    To reject the orders that seem crazy because they probably are, and collectively realize there are around 100 people that need to be arrested to begin the healing of this planet. Certainly more but once they are in custody the others can be gathered up as well.

    There are many reasons to do this and seeing your comrades die for lies should be at the top of the list.

    Then there is the idea that you might look around and notice all this fighting for freedom has achieved less and less freedom. Hmmm, maybe time to stop digging the freedom hole and set down the freedom shovel.

    Another reason we might consider a rebellion and the military biting the hand that barely feeds them is your brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers are losing everything, jobs, houses, wealth…

    And yet another reason may be rewarding yourself with all your dreams come true, because if you finally have this epiphany and spin on your heels, the satanic puppetmasters have horded all the wealth and opportunity in the world and those riches are so vast and bountiful you will liberate a pie big enough to feed, house, clothe, heal and build a utopian world of plentiful riches for everyone but those who demonically clutched it in their claws and buried it in their lies and covered it in blood.

    Once they are in handcuffs behind walls we can look at amnesty for many who merely followed orders and made some mistakes that pale in comparison to what the all seeing eye penthouse in the pyramid crowd has done.

    Imagine these people arrested over night and non liars going on television to reveal truth to the brain dead– hypnotized by the lying machine in their living rooms.

    The only thing stopping this from happening is the decision to spin on your heels. Give yourself your own order. Collectively, everyone who sees or senses the evil treason just please make this decision.

    We have Oathkeepers and Patriots and RAP people and White Hats, we have vets awaiting Iraqi dinar to revalue, we have truth movement awakening on every front and we may be able to do this a lot more quickly and without too much bloodshed. I don’t know what the Provost Marshal is waiting for but we have your back. Citizen arrest brigades? We are millions strong.

    A White Hat march on Washington?

    Enough of us being pitted against each other. That is like beating the dog for barking at a burglar.

    The White Hats are currently trying to repatriate trillions of dollars to the American economy and 140 countries worldwide including Iraq which will trigger the revaluation of the dinar. But the dark cabal keeps blocking the funds in the banking pipelines.

    Literally within days we can begin the healing of this planet if we stop taking orders from the dark players and instead arrest them. I am not in the military but I am a citizen who will stand beside you and I know we all can raise one big ass pissed off posse over night, we just need to decide that it is go time;

    The world has watched our movies and mythology and is waiting for us to live up to it. Myth because the greatest system in the world, the check and balance, the Constitution and Bill of Rights were pissed on by these demons in thousand dollar suits and haircuts.

    Two last words.

    “Let’s roll.”

  205. foo  August 6, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    @ Getreal

    “…The key is small independently operating teams…”

    The only “team” that can’t be infiltrated is an individual person.

    Organized revolt is not only impossible; it is also unnecessary.

  206. Spank'd  August 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Special forces from my country have video footage of a unit of US soldiers killed in Iraq in an alleyway – shot from above. These deaths were reported to your country as smaller pockets of KIA so they wouldnt know a whole platoon got wiped out en masse. I agree with this story and find it rather plausible. One thing that gives me pause for thought – where the hell are all the stinger missiles that the Bush family gave the Taliban in the 80/90s?

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  208. bobt  August 6, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Gordon..You Are,,I suspect, in grave danger, Keep vigilant and keep writing..but your free life may have to change to one that is less visible , watch your back and dont be careless in your travels.
    I realize you are a Marine and will always be the first on the ground but it is obvious this is a field of vipers.

    Sharp pointed reporting and analysis of the world is very important to all who still believe in truth and to put these people under the microscope..
    or in a few years we are all under the boot. And these vermin have studied history ( the missteps ) and wont make the same mistakes of the other Reichs, they can and will totally dominate the planet..and we will perish in the billions…a slave planet..
    Maybe the aliens will just blow the whole mess up..sorta like waiting on God to do it..oh the thumpers will all rejoice..

  209. Mark Gehring  August 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Yes, and how many of those Stingers ended up shooting down airliners and military aircraft all over the world, including here in the USA? All covered up by media and govt entities in the name of “national security”.

  210. Mark Gehring  August 6, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    In this case, the SEAL team may have been murdered to cover up what they knew about bin Laden. They may have realized that bin Laden wasn’t even there when they got into the compound?

    They had to be killed so the bin Laden story would stick! No witnesses, no investigation, no interviews… or none allowed on the criminal/corporate-controlled media.

  211. Getreal  August 6, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    MK as Gordon has pointed out all groups are infiltrated. The problem being you never know who the “Judas” is in your midst. So organized revolt is near impossible.
    Perhaps the Israeli practice of targeted assassination is the answer. The names of the enemy are well documented. As long as these people live in society they are vulnerable. The key is small independently operating teams.
    Better yet if their security detail were to wake up to who they were protecting they could be got by those who are there to protect them. We can but hope.
    Of course being a pacifist I cannot condone violence to bring about change.

  212. Mark Gehring  August 6, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    They may have been murdered because they knew too much? During the Carter admin… when Delta forces tried to rescue Americans in Iran, the operation was reported as being a disaster… several rangers were killed when at least one chopper… crashed at the LZ… the surviving members of that mission were all killed in their airliner/military transport(?) crashed on their way back to the U.S… I believe in New Foundland. Shortly after the crash, the crash site was bull-dozed to destroy any evidence. No subsequent investigation, or none reported to U.S. citizens. Crash was covered up as so many air crashes have been.

    This was shortly before the Reagan election and the “October Surprise” when the hostages were released back to the States. The failed rescue attempt was a PR disaster for the Carter administration that helped elect Reagan… as did the October Surprise that made Reagan look like a hero… research October Surprise if your’re not familiar with it.

  213. OS - Final  August 6, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    You don’t understand the difference between military and contractors, the last administration hired contractors that hated the US. Could be contractor operation run from their new headquarters, I just call them the Gestapo for short. Our tax dollars buy two of everything, two central intell, one government, one contractor group, two military, one government, one contractor group. And the gestapo command post in Dubai. Any contract group that would run operations against US people in the US illegally, and get paid to train foreign military operations for larger nations (about our military) is the gestapo group.

  214. Hugh  August 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    AP is reporting that: “None of the 22 SEAL personnel killed in the crash were part of the team that killed bin Laden in a May raid in Pakistan, but they belonged to the same unit.”

  215. Lee  August 6, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Gordon, very good article. But when I read Oath Keepers is organizations that have been penetrated more thoroughly than an okinawan vigin with the fleet in port, I call your bullshit! I am a founding member of Oath Keepers, and you sir are 100% incorrect. Where were you to help and support when the cops and dfs took a newborn baby from the hospital, because he was a member of Oath Keepers ( not a due’s paying member) but one of hundred of thousands of face book supporters? And where were you when we had a Muster in Tucson, after the SWAT killed a US Marine Jose Huerena? And where are you going to be for this one?

    You sir might want to rethink your lapping keyboard tactics!

  216. Nelson_2008  August 6, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Our young men and and women aren’t being “sent” off anywhere. They’re voluntarily helping our Jewish supremacist Masters to destroy us (along with the victim countries of course). They’re mercenaries. They’re Zionist crusaders. They’re not honorable, and they’re due no respect.

    It’s obvious what’s happened to “our” “government”, and it’s obvious that the wars are all illegal and immoral, and because if that, there simply aren’t anymore excuses for “the troops”.

    Every time one of “our” young “heroes” kills someone legitimately defending his homeland from an illegal, immoral invasion, they make us all morally defenseless against retaliation. One of these days, one of our young heroes is going to push the button that brings the retaliatory missiles down upon us.

  217. Skulz Fontaine  August 6, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Just one last point, you have my trust as well and my respect. You EVER need a spot to lay low for a spell, well, just lemme know. Got an extra room, quiet and comfy, and even gots a shower and the like. By the by, I’m a pretty fair cook too so, grub is hot and tasty. Oh yeah and, coffee is hot strong and ready by 06:00 every day.
    bin Ladin as “rogue”, HAH, that’s rich…

  218. gaylord:)  August 6, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    its a coverup story……..they all cnt b killed 2gether!!!

  219. bud rock  August 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Don’t count on the military. Those guys are waiting for pensions. Funny how as young soldiers who fought through the fear of battle to fight for their country, it is fear of losing their pensions that keeps them from fighting for their country when it really needs them. As this article points out, silence is no guarantee for collection.

  220. rachel  August 6, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    I suspect the government had been waiting for an accident to happen that would give them opertunity to disclose the dead soldier from the failed raid. possibly a chopper went down with only 11 people on it and then added the 20 from botched raid.

  221. rgalton  August 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    I just wanted to add, I absolutely take my hat off to you Gordon Duff, and the people running this site, for having the insight to consistently see the truth, and the courage to speak it. This is one of a tiny number of sites that I really trust and respect. I WISH that more people came here, I am certainly spreading the word myself.

  222. travellerev  August 6, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Dear Gordon,

    How long have these Seals been in service? We are still missing a team that could be used to rig the trade centre buildings for demolition. Could that be part of the “house cleaning” operation?

  223. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    the ones that were dead before they got on the helicopter in the first place were obviously from the bin Laden unit
    as for any other information you are using…

    you are getting it from a MSM source

    but this is, as we say it, the rub

    i have a call in…but…getting information and risking upsetting families..tough call

  224. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    you are talking about organizations that have been penetrated more thoroughly than an okinawan vigin with the fleet in port

  225. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    do remember something of that…good catch.

  226. john  August 6, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Of those that ended up in Frankfurt, 17 moved onto Colombia and the Medalline Cartel courtesy of a former CIA field officer, i remember because i knew the officer very well, he lived just outside of Munich!

  227. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I have enjoyed, to abuse the term, 2 serious attempts on my life…in the not too distant past.
    Two good friends were poisoned…one now getting better after years and millions spent in Swiss clinics.
    Another…a very high ranking US intel official….struggling to come back after years..
    Another shot…and then anthrax
    One run over on a sidewalk
    Can’t count Wheeler as he wasn’t a personal friend.
    the list goes on

  228. rgalton  August 6, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I saw this just now on a news site and simply couldn’t believe my eyes – this is one of the most disgusting, depraved and vile things that I have ever seen, and that is saying something.

    FFS how many good, courageous and innocent people are going to die in order to keep the web of lies around 9/11 from exploding? This is just too much – courageous men risking their lives fighting for their country, and then treated like this. It is almost too much to comprehend, just like the initial realisation about 9/11 was.

    I just don’t know what to make of the world anyhow.

  229. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    I went over the meeting in detail…with bin laden speaking his usual semi’fluent english…like every other rich saudi

    my next question..”When did you guys (CIA) list bin Laden as ‘rogue?”
    A. Never.

  230. Skulz Fontaine  August 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Hi Mr. D:
    Oh this just gets better by the freaking minute. So the US armed the bin Ladin to the teeth and THEN, wanted all the hardware back and of course bin Ladin (al-Qaeda nudge nudge) was ever so accommodating about that and the hardware was all there of course. Right of course. Cash on pallets I’d presume, in Frankfurt turned over to German treasury officials…ummm, like Bremer’s cash-on-skids plan in Baghdad?
    Bottom line is, good decent believing Seals are dead and more than likely by our own hand. Not my of course, the vermin in BlackOpsHQ Langley. Close? Holy crap, Clancy couldn’t have dreamed this bs up.
    Please be careful Mr. D and you know, it’s a freaking jungle out there and seems our spooky lions are eating their own.
    Cacked a Chinook full of Navy Seals and that makes NO sense…

  231. MK  August 6, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Everybody posting here…including Gordon.

    Maybe my question is stupid, but why haven’t the various groups gotten together? It might be time for the Oathkeepers, Sheriff Mack Constitutionalists and so forth to begin talking. I am just a citizen (and a woman), but I cannot bear what I see going on in this country.

    Our police forces are being given war weapons and told to use them on the very people who carry the most burdens

    Our young men and women are sent off to be killed or maimed for profit and then treated as disposable when they get home.

    Our cities grow shabbier as these private enclaves become more palatial

    Our children are poisoned with vaccines (do the research folks–read VACCINE A about the military vacccines), fluoride and GMOs

    We are all being treated like ATMs for the super-rich. It is just like the Depression of 1929 when people were suffering terribly and the richest Americans were pushing for more tax cuts. Then, when the unemployment rate was at 23.4 (or something similar) and Roosevelt took over and created jobs programs to help the people…the rich began to plot against him. When he raised their taxes (25 percent at that point), they tried to HIRE veterans (whose pensions that this same group fought against) to stage a revolt against Roosevelt.

    It makes me sick

    The uber-rich have gotten together for decades to talk about how they could dismantle Social Security (they were super-pissed at Roosevelt for that), the Labor relations board and the other programs that he put together to prevent the devastation of the last Depression from occurring again.

    What bothers me the most is that the rich in this country are privileged. They aren’t the brightest or the most creative, but they have been the most indulged. They have many homes. They have the best of everything. WHY DO THEY NEED TO STEAL FROM EVERYBODY ELSE? When is enough, enough?

    They don’t serve in the military. They don’t have real jobs. They get money from trust funds. They have none of the problems besetting normal people, yet they are so unhappy that all they do is sit around and talk about how normal working people don’t deserve their wages, their homes etc. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?


  232. henry  August 6, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    to put 31 such professionals on the same helicopter is insane — that’s what gives it away

  233. MK  August 6, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Dear Jeff,

    You have hit the nail on the head. I am heartbroken over this article. One of my friends has the most valiant son. From her descriptions, I know that his medical care was going to leave him with future problems. He was sent back to Afghanistan with semi-healed ribs. This was a kid with medals for his bravery. The thing is, he is not a big guy. In fact, he sort of reminds me of a terrier. They are smaller dogs, but they have gigantic spirits. Matt is about 5 foot 8, but it is all heart and muscle. He is a great kid. It would break my friend’s heart if something happened to him. But, if he died like these heroes, it would crush her soul.

    We are in a dictatorship run by the WORST of us. It is time to begin taking our country back.

  234. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Good background.
    I wanted to keep this short. I was pissed off, sometimes it is best to hit paper while you can and move on.
    These are real people to me. I may not approve of the war but I approve of our guys.

  235. Denny Cautrell  August 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Gordon, I like the word ultimatum. Many of things former military carry to their grave are done so for a reason, you know what I’m saying.

    At some point, as you and others have written via this publication, the evil becomes so vile it has to be stopped.

    I have never been overly sympatico as a rule, but I respect honesty and trust to a higher degree. Sometimes that isn’t pretty when someone you trust has to take you down a notch because you were doing or saying stupid shit, but that’s an honorable man proving why he can be trusted. And not just with your life in the balance.

    You have support. A lot of winter soldiers get you. Others are getting you. There those who may suspicion deep down that you will go soft in the face of real fire. I repeat – trust, you have mine.

    Breaks over, back to work.

  236. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    we had given the mujahideen over a thousand Stingers. I went over the accounting on these, by serial number, those used in battle, those repurchased by the US.
    7 were bought on the open market in Peshawar by the CIA back in 90.
    The rest were purchased back from Osama bin Laden in a meeting in Peshawar where full accounting was made…in what is described as a tiresome but satisfactory session.
    CIA says it was fully pleased that bin Laden had been forthcoming but that bin Laden also made sure he got his cash before they were loaded on trucks and flown to Frankfurt airport and turned over to German treasury officials.
    oh…we have leaked a national secret
    sorry..i forget myself

  237. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I can’t imagine 31 extremely heavily outfitted top level “first tier” special ops guys, worth millions apiece, getting into a single Chinook….but…

    Then again, we can talk RPG. I have been in 3 helicopter mishaps/shoot downs and am still here.

  238. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    it was in the news?
    my point entirely

  239. Skulz Fontaine  August 6, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Makes sense Mr. Duff. But, why now? I mean, the entire ‘cacked bin Ladin’ scenario made no sense. Now this? Is it possible that “some unnamed other” nation is supplying Taleban with SAM’s? You know, a little payback? Holy crap, wheels within wheels and mysteries wrapped so tightly inside a conundrum you can’t make sense out of the enigma.

  240. Jeff Prager  August 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Good luck. THEY own all the sand and all the crayons.

  241. bea  August 6, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    beg to differ..they were from the same Unit as those that killed Osama Bin Laden…they may not have been the same soldiers

  242. Jeff Prager  August 6, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    By the way, we live in a Fascist Totalitarian Two-Party Dictatorship and if you don’t understand that by now you never will.

  243. Jeff Prager  August 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    I’ve previously written about each and every detail you’ve so eloquently explained here Gordon. I just don’t have your following. I love you man.

  244. wallytron  August 6, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Is this the Green Light?

  245. MerryMary  August 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Our lips are SEALed, permanently. Personally, Im w/Steele re: open intel. Count the other ‘murdoch-esque medias’ spewing “all lies…all theatre…all evil…” ALL THE TIME. Welcome to your local “False Flag Terror Op” public broadcasting station. Paid experts cum truth sabotauers parrorting only (bottom) party line. Information obtained from “anonymous sources” is too easily seeded into gullible consciousness. The end resut is a trail of endless & unnecessary dead bodies…

  246. Dreamlake Cowboy  August 6, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Thank you GD.

  247. Thomas  August 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    This is the first thing that came to mind when reading the headlines this morning. If there is anything good at all that might come from this tragedy, as well as all the other insanity going on lately, maybe it is that events will become so obvious to the American Public that they won’t be able to avoid them anymore. After all, most polls this week show that around eighty percent of the American public think all of Congress should be thrown to the wolves. Perhaps Gordon’s article ‘say no to government’ is really not so far from what most Americans are actually thinking also… but no, my glass is probably just half full today for some odd reason.

  248. GB503  August 6, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    How does anyone believe a Chinok Helicoptor was shot down with a single RPG and EVERYONE on board was killed in the resulting crash? Will we get any proper investigation from our media? Nope. They are comprimised and take marching orders from the White House. When will the public wake up? It’s so depressing… Thanks for your work Gordon.

  249. bear  August 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Unforgivable is exactly right. I have been wondering all day how the individual Navy Seals and those in positions similar to theirs are going to react to this act.

    Thx for the informative and meaningful writing Gordon. Someone has to draw a line in the sand.

  250. Brian  August 6, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    It’s a tragedy. For those unaware Gordon had published an article awhile back about a witness who saw the helicopter filled with the commandos of the phony Osama bin Laden murder explode at the fake Osama compound. He said it was the only helicopter that landed at the compound of the fake Osama bin Laden, thus no Seals, no fake Osama and no other people involved in the murder left the compound.

    I speculated in the comment section of that article the helicopter was probably exploded on purpose in order to remove the chance that one day the Seals would inform people they killed an obvious fake Osama. I figured one day the government would tell their family members they died in a different, place, on a different day and in a different way.

    I don’t know if this information is correct, from an article:

    One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included more than 20 Navy Seals from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden. They were being flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified.

    None of those killed in the crash is believed to have been part of the Seals mission that killed bin Laden, but they were from the same unit as the bin Laden team.

    Brian: It’s a tragedy. A person could speculate that the witness of the helicopter crash at the fake Osama compound is correct and the Navy Seals were killed in the helicopter explosion. The Seals that died in the recent helicopter tragedy may have been aware their unit killed a fake Osama perhaps via cell phones or other types of communication from the Seals in the fake Osama compound before they died. Perhaps these Seals needed to be silenced so they wouldn’t discuss the fake Osama murder.

    If the government later states the Seals who were in the Osama compound died in this recent crash then we know it’s absurd and we know they needed to find a way to declare these men dead because they can’t admit the Seals and the fake Osama were blown to pieces in a helicopter explosion at the Osama compound.

    I also think the phony Osama murder was ordered and operated behind the scenes by AIPAC and the Mossad, to set the stage for a nuclear false flag in the United States to blame Al Qaeda and Pakistan Taliban in order to get the US to invade and control the Pakistan nukes on behalf of Israel.

  251. GB503  August 6, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Gordon, dont look over the timing of this being right after the US Credit Rating has been downgraded. MSM will be eating this story up, have to distract the slaves with something, what better than “fallen heros” in an operation that never existed. This country is a joke… I will be leaving it someday.

  252. Stewart  August 6, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    In military matters, General Smedley Butler nailed it. Are the lives of military men and women extinguished elsewhere in maintaining the essential fiction of national defense any less heroic than those of Seals extinguished directly on behalf of corporations? Something reminds me of returning roosting chickens. Liars must invent more lies to cover their tracks. We observe the Ponzi mentality everywhere, not only in financial dealings.

    Our bin Laden Seal team members may certainly have been of a superior breed. As members of the military, they knew that their lives were expendable. If your conclusion is accurate, those lives also were given heroically for the corporations.

    The hero epithet should extend in the civilian world to those who place their lives and conditions in jeopardy to help save many lives, exposing and disabling key liars responsible for recruiting, training, and murdering military personnel, both at home and abroad, as well as murdering innocent invented enemies, men, women, and children. They (including you) are heroic. Others are pawns.

  253. KEVIN O  August 6, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Don’t forget about Sonny Bono “Who skied into a tree and died of head wounds” ONLY there was NO bits of the tree in his head, only the crushed scull in the shape of a CIA hand gun!!!!! He was ready to tell..

  254. Lem G.  August 6, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    A string of unrelated details about OBL that goes back decades, the crew @ Langley & the Puzzle Palace have to CYA over SO many loose ends over the years and its all about the careers of directors, White House Staffers & generals with post-military career political aspirations.
    Conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this latest debacle.

  255. KEVIN O  August 6, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    This happens right after the US is downgraded? Ha! An RPG kills EVERYONE on a Chinok helicopter? Yeah right! This country is a joke.

  256. johng  August 6, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Makes a lot of sense Gordon. However, Americans still love to believe that things just happen “by chance”. The Bush Administration had created so many “strawmen” that one of them had to stick with the public. You are correct, they could not gamble on having this one unravel.

  257. AS  August 6, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    looks like a special operation…. 31 to keep them silenced for ever

  258. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I can’t even call this a TOS violation, bad taste, stupidity and chronic disrespect….no, it’s our remaining Bush and Cheney defender, a deeply flawed but loyal reader who lives in a private computer world.

    This wasn’t written for you, obviously. When you could see that, you might have had the cleverness to move on to somewhere like WorldNetDaily or Townhall where your inappropriate emotional needs might be met.

    It’s Saturday, don’t you have kids to play with? A book report due?

  259. Gordon Duff  August 6, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    a joke?

  260. stevor  August 6, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Newspapers these days. They really can’t get their stories straight. They were looking at old “intel” and what they meant to say was, “Bill Clinton guards probably murdered to keep them quiet”.

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