UFO War: Chinese and US Navy off San Francisco

Chinese Naval forces off California said to be on Joint UFO Suppression Mission

Chinese Naval forces off California said to be on Joint UFO Suppression Mission

Joint Fleets Fend Off UFO Threat

by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor


This last week, reports of Chinese naval vessels off the US coast, Northern Californian in particular, have been reported but denied. 

Now an Asian intelligence agency reports that a combined fleet operation between the US and China has been going on, a full combat operation against what we are told is a “highly unfriendly extra-terrestrial threat.”

The verifications of the fleet operations have been many, there have been no confirmations from the US side though the ships have been seen by every vessel that makes it offshore.  The true nature of both the threat and the extent of the multinational military force used is beyond any imaginable classification level.


  • Extraterrestrial craft are operating from underwater bases.
  • Advanced US sub-orbital weapons platforms represented as “tested” have actually been deployed from Vandenburg Air Force Base.  These are armed with energy weapons.
  • UFO tracking has been moved from conventional to nano-technology with microscopic sensors being used to detect behaviors such as dimensional rifts and distortions in time, things only discussed in TV shows like Fringe and X Files.  (all Fox oddly enough)

The actual classified memo on very short distribution mentions only the following:

  • Opposition is extraterrestrial and extremely aggressive and unfriendly
  • The threat represents a “clear and present danger” and is isolated to the Pacific Basin
  • China is forced to carry US responsibility because our own naval capability is sitting in the Persian Gulf when America is under a very real threat.
  • Attempts to seek confirmations or to directly verify these operations will lead to fatal consequences.

Our confirmations limit us to this response which I have chosen to represent in a highly deniable form out of personal interest.  Others in the US have better information and sources and have been silenced with warnings only.

As to this being a total “hose job,” I don’t see any advantage in it.

For several months earlier this year, there had been disclosures tied to the UFO issue.  One real sighting had been made over South Korea.

After that, the internet had been flooded, yes, Google’s “YouTube” with manufactured phony UFO videos, some of “beyond next generation” quality.

All information given on how UFO video or photos are analyzed is totally false, childishly so, especially that from the UFO “networks.”  They are professionally “self discrediting.”

About 6 weeks ago, a “study group” was appointed out of NATO and another one in Asia to look at the pattern of UFO videos.  A decision was made to aggressively investigate one or more groups.

Being aggressively investigated on such an issue is not recommended.

I would love to be more entertaining, invent things, speculate or, perhaps, include some fascinating videos.

I either have to give this a 70% or reclassify a reliable official source as purposefully leaking something that makes no sense.  My suggestion is that readers follow other stories for verifications or information that would help in some way, add it to the comment section and see if we can get a better grip on what may well be an extremely dangerous situation.

I have had one implied threat, which is almost laughable as I am a board member of a multinational defense firm larger than most armies.  I have also had several contact of a very suspicious nature, had one verified Homeland Security computer attack which the software the DOD supplied me with caught, quite embarrassing also.

Then, yesterday, Press TV in Iran called on my wife’s mobile.  It flashed US Government for a second.  It seems DHS’s bugging capability crashed.

If they hire us, I am sure we can fix that for them.




  1. http://johnkettler.com/etseds-more-earth-stabilization-news/comment-page-3/#comment-25586

    There may be other ways of forcing them to reveal themselves:
    “Some days ago my wife went shopping. As she was looking at the stores’ windows she came face to face with a very strange lady. Her face, eyes, aura were all negative – without being aggressive to my wife I must say. As the lady entered a shop my wife just stayed outside looking inside through the big windows. She could watch the strange lady clearly and spontaneously put her hand in her bag, grabbed a succor punch, which always carries with her, and sent some “sweet” energy to that lady.
    My wife cannot even now describe how confused-surprised-scared she felt while seeing the strange lady to transform into a tall, skinny, ugly man. The appearance (clothes, attitude) was rather miserable though. I mean, he (she) was not the kind of a creature we use to call a reptilian or demonic entity or I don’t know what… He (she) became a woman again after a few seconds but as the SP was aiming at her she transformed into a man for a second time. No one in the store (nor the lady) seemed to have noticed anything. The whole “happening” didn’t last more than 3-4 minutes. I do not know if that was a kind of possession but I thing it’s worth to mention it as there is a SP involved “

    Here’s some info on the Succor Punch:
    and here’s where I got mine:

  2. This is propaganda to get us prepared for the coming fake alien invasion. If there are real aliens out there, one way to tell if they are legit is if they reject the shadow government. Even if they announce that the shadow government will be eliminated by them, I would still not trust them for several years. Results count.

  3. Or buy me the rifle and ammo and I WILL DO IT you chickensh!t cowards. Patton would slap you all in the face and call you all yellowbellies. At least I’ve got the balls to say it and I DO TALK TO THE LOCALS.

  4. Seriously, is anyone still denying CHEMTRAILS? When will someone with a 30.06 shoot the drones down, because they are not being piloted by humans? I believe them chemtrailing is to change our atmosphere so ET can breathe our air, but the possibility exists we (humanity) do it to make our atmosphere inhospitable to them. Which is it? I’m telling anyone in my area if they have a 30.06 shoot once and move to another area and shoot again. Shoot them fuqqers down!

  5. Watch their eyes! Especially on the MSM media, local and cable. Denver’s Channel 7 employs two grays I have seen reveal themselves, possibly another hybrid. You can ID a Draco (reptilian) by paying attention to their eyes, for they will reveal slits rather than pupils. They use thought projection to cloak their hideous appearances.

  6. http (dot) //formerwhitehat.wordpress.com/

    It wouldn’t hurt to read this. We may have some helpful ETs, but just as many hostile. It looks as though they have taken the war here on a global scale.

  7. Gordon
    You might be interested in this conversation. I have no idea if the info is any good.

    anonymous says:
    October 12, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Re: Reptoids in holographically cloaked human form.
    What about my clever plan (shades of Baldrick here) of producing the sound that forces the Reptoids to show their true selves?
    Clif High said in an interview that the ancient Indian texts described a battle when one side whipped out these trumpets (or something like that) and made a special sound. This caused the Reptoid leaders on the other side to reveal their real selves. The men working for the Reptoids went WTF? and killed their leaders.
    I don’t have the link for that interview but here is his article on that sound
    I had the impression from Sunfire that the ETs/EDs know about this. Please can they release the info now. Also, I understand that there is a sound which causes clones to self-destruct and go all gooey. Would love to know this too. Pretty please with knobs on.

    John Kettler says:
    October 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    I have read of a word that Reptoids can’t pronounce, and it is used to keep them out of office. Okay, was used!

    Starlight says:
    October 12, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    According to the site below, Reptilians can’t pronounce the word KININIGIN.
    Also, the word ZIN-URU reveals the Reptilians to the human eye. Supposedly, it’s a POWER word.

  8. Hi Gordon. I was curious to the warning you received about the friendly et. There is so much counter Intel that it makes me think of Paul benewittz and what they did to him. It’s as if we are being dragged by the hair to a place we are not aware of. I know how compartmentalised the highest levels are within intel. You have no idea what another group is working on nor do you want to. Are there any positive allied et’s on the peoples side? Cheers.

  9. Gordon, thought you might be interested in these:
    “…. The Reptoids pervade this planet and are visible in their natural form, but mostly are perceived in their holographically cloaked human form, a cloak partially made by psi distortion of the viewer’s perception…..”

    “…. There are Reptoids (disguised as us) and clones all over the place, but especially in the circles of power. You can smash Reptoid underwater bases until hell freezes over, but Congress would still be full of them, to name but one place they occupy in droves…..”

    Listen from 0:49:25
    I’ve made some notes:
    How do we expose the Reptilians through our 3D world?
    Are they 4D entities?
    In their present form today, Reptilians are essentially 4D low level beings.
    They have the natural abilities of other 4D beings which include levitation, teleportation, telepathy.
    As 4D beings, they can manifest matter.
    Using these abilities, they will manifest a Reptilian 3D body which functions.
    That 3D body has a sense of taste, a very strong sense of smell, hunger – it’s voracious etc.
    When a 4D Reptilian has manifested a 3D Reptilian body, shape shifting comes into effect when they project a human form over the 3D organic Reptilian form they’ve created.
    When people are watching these videos and noticing that the eyes etc which are changing, that scales appear etc
    That’s because the 4D Reptilian and his/her inability to energetically hold that human form in place.
    It takes a lot of energy to hold that human form in place over an already manifested 3D Reptilian body.

    I hear you have wonderful technology for detecting if a YouTube video is CGI or real. Perhaps you can use your technology to check if this is CGI or kosher:
    Here’s the source video:

  10. Any self-aware intelligent and carnivorous alien species would maintain this planet in it’s pre-industrial state if they wished to farm a steady supply of ‘long pig’. All life on this planet is now so filled with toxins from our irresponsible behaviour that the Galactic Food Authority would advise against consumption.

    Aliens my arse. It’s just more smoke and mirrors to distract the foolish from the almost overwhelming idiocy that surrounds us.

  11. Kettler is a “ufologist”

    I simply report leaks in an area where my entire life’s experience is an hour or so.

    I am not permitted to expand on UFO stories. Kettler can write what he wants.

    We are very different people.

  12. One more thing Gordon, it’ll be nice if you would tell us if JK’s tale (which has such extraordinary details) is true or not.

  13. Gordon, Kettler has a new article on this UFO incident

    If your contacts confirm that the crew in the nearby vessel were crapping their pants and were showered by over a thousand depleted uranium turtle figurines, then JK’s article may have legs. You can’t make these stories up 🙂

  14. Which ‘crap’. If you’re inferring there are no aliens on this planet, educate yourself. Start with history such as the sumarian and gnostic texts. If you’re trolling you’re in the wrong spot, try the msm.

  15. I read on a reputable site that the aliens and Zionists (with the Chinese in for 20%) were conducting super-secret underwater research into the interbreeding of the bipedal-alien reptilians with hand-picked Zionists, to create a super-race of “Reptilzions.” Bred with the ability to slow down their metabolism so they can hold their breath under water for over 30 minutes and having the ability to “blend” their skin-tone with their surroundings, making them practically invisible, even to infrared!

  16. WIlliam Cooper, Some think he was a Quack, However the US Military Naval Intelligence Office did not think either he nor his father were crazy as Both of them had the highest lever clearance that an officer could have.
    WIlliam Cooper was killed outside his home in a manner (like others) suggesting that he was a freak and danger to the people. William cooper preached consistantly that (Whether or not alien life existed, the technology DID, and that the either aliens or the GOVERNMENT (and we mean the NWO) would use this technology to start either a real or fake alien war on mankind in order to get people onboard with whatever the agenda is. research is the best way to draw an accurate conclusion, I have mine!

  17. Star Gate-
    They are using our sun as a “jump gate” like a wormhole. There are multiple satellite watching the sun, and objects coming out of our sun quite regularly.

    Offworld Battalions-
    The hacker that hit the pentagon claims he found personel assignments of several battalions, off world, to dozens of human named ships.

    Spindle Ship-
    There is an object in tight orbit of the sun that is a spindle with globes attached… this vessel is 12 times the diameter of Earth. It’s there, seen from different satellites, and I’m pretty certain we humans can’t build on that scale.

    The Black Knight-
    Then there is the Black Knight Satellite: found in orbit in the 60’s, in an orbital pattern we couldn’t match until the mid 80’s. It’s larger than our Space Shuttle, and there are vessels with it’s same configuration, yet on a planetary size differential. 3 have been detected one cloaked near Mercury the same size as the planet. And 2 side by side back-dropped by the sun; also both are Planet Mercury sized.

  18. They are using our sun as a “jump gate” like a wormhole. There are multiple satellite watching the sun, and objects coming out of our sun quite regularly.

  19. Actually they are using our sun as a “jump gate” like a wormhole to wherever. The airforce has multiple satellite watching the sun, there are objects coming out of our sun quite regularly. There is an object in tight orbit of the sun that is a spindle with globes attached… this vessel is 12 times the diameter of Earth. It’s there, seen from different satellites, and I’m pretty certain we humans can’t build on that scale.

  20. Actually they are using our sun as a “jump gate” like a wormhole to wherever. The airforce has multiple satellite watching the sun, there are objects coming out of our sun quite regularly. There is an object in tight orbit of the sun that is a spindle with globes attached… this vessel is 12 times the diameter of Earth. It’s there, seen from different satellites, and I’m pretty certain we humans can’t build on that scale. Then there is the Black Knight Satellite: found in orbit in the 60’s, in an orbital pattern we couldn’t match until the mid 80’s. It’s larger than our Space Shuttle, and there are vessels with it’s same configuration, yet on a planetary size differential. 3 have been detected one cloaked near Mercury the same size as the planet. And 2 side by side back-dropped by the sun; also both are Planet Mercury sized.

  21. Here are some interesting perspectives I found on the alien history, especially as they are referenced long ago in gnostic and earlier writings, long before the bible was created and then rewritten a hundred times to steer society, culture, and ultimately keep us in hives and uninformed –
    see this first – bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_genoma06.htm
    then this – http://whale.to/a/lash_h.html – then this is interesting – metahistory.org/RiteAction/openseason2.php – and finally this, though, it does seem like something that could have been written by the cabal to set us up to sell us their brand of alien, either friendly or threatening, but this does give pause for thought. goodworksonearth.org/do_you_wish_that_we_show_up.html . It’s not about others saving us, but the connection among us.

  22. I don´t believe in aliens which want attack the earth. The germans was built first that flying saucers, and its true that more than 100.000 SS soldiers and others going to south america after WW2 to go further with their works on their “Wunderwaffe”! So who is really hiding in the near of SF and threaten the US ? 🙂 One day all the lies and disinfos about Reptilians and bad aliens will end. You´ll see.. 100% !! nice day 🙂

  23. No one remembers this from 1980…because everything concerning this fraud originates from 2012 ! Man are you gullible ! Otherwise this article is a hoot ! We’ll have to invent another triangle for the Pacific. Let’s call it the Bermuda Shorts Triangle ! And John Kettler ?? It’s amazing they let him have access to a keyboard ! Come on Gordon….get back to 9/11 !

  24. If a UFO ever gets stuck in our oceans somewhere, the navy needs to get reasonably close to them with a remote viewing team and a psychic team on board and communicate with them telepathically. An intelligent life form that can visit us has a lot of information about our universe(s) and they may hand it over.

  25. Gordon,

    You obviously know about UUVs? However, can aircraft drone be placed inside UUV? But of course. Is this possible FF you are searching for, remote, stealth, and such? Maybe the old technology on the link below will help resolve your problem, however, advance the time and technology and make smaller and stealth. I am running out of time, so alert those with concerns.


  26. Gordon, got you another version of what happen. It’s not the same as Kettler’s so take your pick.
    Check out http://www.andromedacouncil.com/FAQ-FrequentQuestions.html

    Tolec, what is the real deal with this joint U.S./China Naval forces working together just outside of the San Francisco Bay area, a U.S naval warship being attacked, and a Reptilian war going on?
    date: September 21, 2012
    ANSWER: No, no, no. According to my Andromeda Council contacts, this is absolutely a “False flag” report.
    [more at link]

  27. You should consider an article about robotics in the future, something that may interest you. DARPA is in the left field, not even close. The top person is right here.

  28. OPS ROOM MESSAGE……………………..

    To: Earthlings.

    From: The Inter-Galactic Clingon-Mysteron Correctional Centre. (IGCMCC).

    Request that you assemble all your long noses at the designated collection point within seven Earth cycles. We wondered where the little blighters had got to. Our apologies and we hope that they were not too much trouble.

    Failure to comply will result in Earth being declared an interplanetary bio-hazard and reduced to a pinky-blue mist. Resistance is futile. Thank you for your cooperation.

    Captain Scarlet. (IGCMCC)
    Star Fleet Command.

    MESSAGE ENDS ………………..

  29. Gerry with regard to Moon landings I would be very surprised if they did NOT create a rehearsal scenario before the actual mission – and practiced their planned SOPs over and over again in as close a situation and simulation as possible to the real thing. No doubt all these rehearsals were photographed as well. I can’t see why this would become a great mystery. I am sure that there ARE places on earth where their procedures were rehearsed and photos taken. No doubt unscrupulous individuals would want to sell them as being of the mission itself.

    Regarding ETs – the only thing about their likely existence and behaviour that would make me suspicious is the TIMING that the media used to announce and to hype it.

    So what if they exist? It’s almost a dead certainty mathematically in such a huge universe. We would have to be arrogant indeed to suppose we were the only ones living. Ultimately to me it is just the same as discovering a spectacular but previously unknown animal in the Brazilian jungle – or Bigfoot. The only additional complication will be what action to take to address their motives. In any event – we are the local home grown boys – and thus have the advantage.

    A million years may pass before we see any ETs arrive here. My feeling is that it cannot happen any quicker just because we are all discussing it feverishly.

  30. Gordon, please convey this info to your sources:
    The naval forces are operating above the underwater Reptoid bases. Thus, they act as human shields for those bases, since the Liberation Forces can’t effectively hit them with anything but beam weapons, and their impact “footprint” is such that they would assuredly hit one or more ships filled with hapless sailors, whether U.S. or Chinese. The Liberation Forces won’t sacrifice them in order to kill the bases, save under the direst of circumstances. This means the ships must clear the area in order for the Liberation forces, firing from higher dimensions, to clobber the bases.


  31. Well its been a bit of time. I do not see anything yet. Nothing. No follow up to UFO’s Attack China, SF etc Nothing. Nothing. Again. Yep.

  32. I wish that people, whoever they are, would stop posting Zecharia Sitchin’s and David Icke’s conspiracy theories and deal with this issue in a serious fashion. The story just broke. We obviously don’t know much. Hopefully, however, the report will be clarified over time.

  33. Obviously, it is too soon to know if the story is accurate. IMO, however, it bears watching.

    I do wish that people would at least take the subject seriously and stop posting all of these Zecharia Sitchin and David Icke conspiracy theories.

  34. you may or may not believe what I’m about to tell you but I need to share this story as much as possible. On 23-08-2012 at about 01:00am I was walking my cousin out to my gate where he parked his car, and as we stood there talking we could both make out a bright light coming from above the clouds to our Northwest. Before we both could say “what is that?” this “UFO” swooped down and flew about 200 Feet above us both. This “UFO” reminded me of a upside down mini “aircraft carrier” with what seemed to be a hook coming out of the right hand side of this craft. It had the most beautiful round green lights underneath, I would have to say at least 15 or so. There is no way the governments can be flying something like this. After this “UFO” passed I put my arm around my cousin and kissed him on the forehead and asked if he had seen everything I just witnessed myself and he assured me he had. This is truly something we will never forget. P.S. We are not alone. Thanks.

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  36. Nice way to threaten the senior editor of V.T.D. With your play on words.. Gordie=Gord “Die”
    “… they gave us their minds …” You must be one of those poor sexually abused Mkultra children.
    Now recycle your soul and “Cycle” your way over to the local Psychologist. Too break the chains that bind you!
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    P.S I think Gordon Duff has had enough mind control for one lifetime. Maybe you should go molest some kids they seem to be more SuBjecTABLE!

  37. @ raunchygear.com
    “Even if an alien species had the capabilities to travel to our tiny speck of sand in this cosmic expanse, I don’t think they would be intent on our destruction; it would be equivalent to driving a distance just to burn some ants with a magnifying glass.”

    Any reasonable person would be inclined to heartily agree with this sentiment – that scenario totally DOESN’T make sense! However, are you aware that John Keel dubbed these supposed space entity interlopers “cosmic jokers” – and documents numerous bizarre encounters that served only to make complete and total fools of the duped humans? Seriously, they don’t have anything better to do?!!! Or were these the shenanigans of “bored teenage space beings’? Who in the hell knows?!!!

    Worst yet, what if there is a far more sinister (to our perspective) reason for them showing up and commandeering our reality? Are they in actuality predators and we are their food – not only in a physical sense but otherwise? Do they in fact “feed” off negative emotional energy such as that created by war, strife, death and destruction with that generated by torture/human sacrifice their “filet mignon”? Would it then not serve their purpose to intercede into our affairs to ensure a steady diet of their most delectable sustenance? Again, who in the hell knows?!!!

    All I do know is that everything I ever believed to be true is a lie. And the words that best sum up our current existence – a SCAM and a SHAM!

  38. Where did Cooper call 911? I’m not doubting it, would just like to read it.

    Another person who called 911 was LaRouche (at confirmation hearing for Ashcroft, and in some writings.)

  39. You folks spend too much time with these BS artists. Camelot is crap. UFO stuff is mostly crap. I met Dr. Greer and he was a creep. This stuff is mixed in with a lot of Hero Worship. Very little substantial information and evidence pointing to real results. I am just raising the question here of results and consistency. Very little of this. It is closer to Adult Start Trek. You protest a bit much. Black and white thinking is the hallmark of an anti-intellectual. Too much fear mongering, fear porn, rumors and unsubstantial BS. I do not care if some of the videos are “free”. They are promotional material for our bull horn bs artist Alex Jones. When real events happen we know of them. No one predicted or came up with the Ambassadors attack. Where was Jones, Camelot, Greer et al on that one? No one. This Film PsyOp had NO ONE on it. No one called the shootings recently. Some back tracked but no one called it before. This is all Monday night quarterbacking and easy to do. I am just calling BS on these folks. Cooper DID call 911 and was killed. That WAS real. So there you go. Others do not serve or inform much outside of the choir. Duff is one of the best but plays a careful game with the Dope Pushers. So I take what he writes with a grain of salt and look for consistency and patterns. It is only an intelligent way to approach these issues. In short, Caution and not Hero Worship. If that is hard to figure out then so be it. Kerry Cassidy cannot be found in Palo Alto her purported home town. I am from there. No one knows her. I am not sure what that means. Who cares. She is on a permanent vacation with UFO’s hunting and running around Egypt. Must be nice. I am a nurse practitioner and I am not rich so that is more BS from someone who wrote about it above. Just shallow and lazy thinking here. No one likes their comfort zone messed with, but reality is still that. People get killed and that is real. UFO’s pyramids, etc all good fun but I keep it on the TV. BTW I served under Clinton at Bethesda (Chelsea was often at the Pulmonary Clinic with Asthma) and at Groton as a graduate student at Yale in Pediatrics.

  40. Even if an alien species had the capabilities to travel to our tiny speck of sand in this cosmic expanse, I don’t think they would be intent on our destruction; it would be equivalent to driving a distance just to burn some ants with a magnifying glass. As the great man said, “We are dust in the wind”! This link is to one of my designs, It depicts the ONE TRUE TRUTH ABOUT Alien’s & 2012!!! Hope you don’t take it too seriously http://www.cafepress.com/raunchygear.493306439

  41. Almost all of these comments have at least a shred of truth behind them. It’s likely that no one here is a nut or an idiot, just convinced of their beliefs like we all are – beliefs that must necessarily be based on enormously incomplete information.

    What is unshakable is that sense of deep inner knowing. When you have it… you just know. You really can’t fake this. I’ve looked at most of these sources that are referred to here, the Wilcocks, the Rosins… none of them have struck a deep chord for me like this has. Have a look and you may agree.


  42. More from Mothman Prophecies:

    pg 165-6
    In short, a light flickering at exactly the right frequency can place the witness in a hypnoticlike trance. He views this as paralysis as he loses control of his limbs through the duration of the trance even though a part of his mind remains conscious. He views the hallucinations of the trance as a continuation of the reality he was experiencing a moment before. Like a normal subject of hypnosis, he loses his sense of time. Time can be compressed or expanded, as in a dream. […] When he comes out of his trance and looks at his watch he finds that hours have passed even though he thought he only watched the light for a few seconds.
    […] The mechanism – the light flashes – can be subjective, seen only by the percipient, or objective, seen by others and even photographable.
    […] On the other side of the coin, some percipients experience a profound expansion of consciousness, a greatly increased IQ, and a complete change of lifestyle . . . for the better.

    Since this is a historic process, and a continuing one, it is probable that most great leaders had a contact experience at some point in their early life. [book Cosmic Consciousness published in1900] In religious circles the phenomenon is called “illumination”.

    In its purest form, illumination is not a religious experience. For a few brief moments the percipient understands, truly understands, the workings of the entire universe. He perceives all of history, past, present, and future, totally. He feels he is part of the superspectrum and is one with the cosmos. [experience is subsequently relegated to subconscious/cannot articulate what he does remember] But he has been reprogrammed, even prepared for a new role in life. To some the experience is “the call” that propels them into the clergy.

    There seems to be a rule that each cosmic force has its imitators. Victims of UFO contact are often suffering from false illumination. Either their minds have misinterpreted the experience, or a lower force has reprogrammed them using the same mechanism. In a sense, they have become “possessed”.

    […] The pnenomenon is dependent on belief, and as more and more people believe in flying sauces from other planets, the lower force can manipulate more people through false illumination. […] If it continues unchecked [worldwide spread of UFO belief and its accompanying disease] we may face a time when universal acceptance of the fictious space people will lead us to a modern faith in extraterrestrials that will enable them to interfere overtly in our affairs, just as the ancient gods dwelling on mountaintops directly ruled large segments of the population in the Orient, Greece, Rome, Africa, and South America.

    [Paraphrased: The official debunking/ridiculing of flying saucers] “was, in retrospect, the most responsible course the government could take. But they underestimated the scope of the phenomenon and its ability to manipulate humans and generate propaganda.” [Me: Or the rise/role of the psychopaths to perpetuate this other worldly control system of our past/present and very possibly into the next transformation of human existence.]

    From the last paragraph of this book:

    After spending a lifetime in Egyptian tombs, among the crumbling temples of India and the lamaseries of Himalayas, endless nights in cemeteries, gravel pits, and hilltops everywhere, I have seen much and my childish sense of wonder remains unshaken. But Charles Fort’s question always haunts me:
    “If there is a universal mind, must it be sane?”

    Ummm . . . yeah.

  43. I agree as myself when I was young actually helped make some of the parts for the Lunar Landers at my summer job during High School.

    What I also have come to believe is that many of the photographs and films of the events were staged before hand. There is some very compelling evidence of this. With Stanley Kubric being a main suspect in the films. Also quite a bit has been speculated about the Lunar photography and the camera used (Hasselblad) and things that were inconsistant with it’s capabilites as well as myriad lighting anomolies.

    Perhaps all done because of undeniable evidence of current or former intelligent life on the surface of the Moon.

    If one believes in the possibilty of advanced ET existence or also the possiblilty of Human history that conflicts with the current controlled history we now have, it would be hard to believe they just now found us or that we haven’t in the past or currently for that matter populated other planets.

  44. I believe we have been on the moon and maybe still are – most probably w/alien collaboration. I do not believe the space program moon mission as presented to the public was authentic. I forget now, may have been Bill Cooper, who pointed out that every time things started going poorly w/public opinion re Vietnam War, we had another manned space launch to divert attention away from this killing our youth fiasco to the rah-rah patriotic aren’t we great ‘conquering of space’ scenario. Can conventional rocket-propelled spacecraft go through the Van Allen radiation belts w/o cooking the astronauts inside? It has also been speculated that the photos/tv transmissions were faked w/Stanley Kubric being instumental in this fraud. Also, see Dave McGown’s Wagging the Moondoggie.

    Excerpted fragments from Mothman Prophecies by John Keel:

    Brinsley Trench – Paul Misraki – W. Raymond Drake:
    Studies/hypotheses re intrusion and effect of alien beings on mankind since the beginning.

    That unidentified flying objects have been present since the dawn of man is an undeniable fact. They are not only described repeatedly in the Bible, but were also the subject of cave paintings made thousands of years before the Bible was written. And a strange procession of weird entities and frightening creatures have been with us as long. When you review the ancient references you are obliged to conclude that the presence of these objects and beings is a normal condition for this planet. These things, these other intelligences […] either reside here or somehow remain concealed from us, or they do not exist at all and are actually special aberrations of the human mind — tulpas [The Tibetans believe that advanced human minds can manipulate the invisible energies (all around us like radio waves) into visible forms or thought projections], hallucinations, psychological constructs, momentary materializations of energy from that dimension beyond the reach of our senses and even beyond the reach of our scientific instruments. They are not from outer space. […] They have always been here. […] But if they wait around long enough (after current mankind has annihilated itself and our environment) another form of so-called intelligent life will crawl out from under a rock and they can begin their games again.

    In many instances the witnesses have clearly seen the objects in the process of materialization or dematerialization. A glow is observed first, usually a reddish glow marking the emergence of the object from the invisible band of the spectrum into infrared and then into the narrow band of visible light. Or, if the object is passing through the visible band to the higher frequencies it is cyan (bluish-green) before if fades into blue (harder to see at night) and then enters the ultraviolet range.
    Paranormal phenomena are so widespread, so diversified, and so sporadic yet so persistent that separating and studying any single element is not only a waste of time but also will automatically lead to the development of belief. Once you have established a belief, the phenomenon adjusts its manifestations to support that belief and thereby escalate it.

    Belief is the enemy.
    I have come to realize that we have been observing complex forces which have always been an essential part of our immediate environment. Instead of thinking in terms of extraterrestrials, I have adopted the concept of ultraterrestrials — beings and forces which coexist with us but are on another time frame; that is, they operate outside the limits of our space-time continuum yet have the ability to cross over into our reality. This other world is not a place, however, as Mars or Andromeda are places, but is a state of energy.

    The flying saucer/extraterrestrial visitants are not real in the sense that a 747 airliner is real. They are transmogrifications of energy under the control of some unknown extradimensional intelligence. This intelligence controls important events by manipulating specific human beings through the phenomenum of mystical illumination. Our religions are based upon our longtime awareness of this intelligence and our struggle to reduce it to humanly acceptable terms.

    Somebody somewhere does not want us to understand the true nature of this phenomenon and its true purpose. […]We have been victimized by this phenomenon, not just since 1947, but since forever! It is the foundation of all our religious and occult beliefs, of our philosophies, and our cultures.

  45. Partly. Primary reason is that the secret government is useful as the singular scapegoat upon whom to eventually pin all crimes against humanity of which hostile aliens themselves are the ultimate orchestrators. By disposing the scapegoat through a global catharsis, alien hands are washed clean, leaving them in safe position to be presented as saviors. Even now this agenda is visible. Through various personalities in the exopolitics field, the secret government is already being branded as a paranoid Cabal keeping mankind from open contact with alien benefactors, holding us back from our rightful destiny to enter into galactic citizenship. Like a good cop / bad cop routine, presenting the Cabal as the sole “bad guy” and aliens as the “good guys” is pushing two false choices, and therein lies the deception. To defeat the agenda, mankind must not choose between peaceful assimilation and ignorant xenophobia, but rather between peaceful assimilation and peaceful liberation, liberation from both the secret government and their alien overlords.

  46. I am quite sure that the Moon landings were real.

    The reason that very silly conspiracy theories are floated widely on the internet is to muddy the water and steal the thunder from those genuine voices of dissent who are protesting about REAL outrages: Like the 9/11 and other false flag attacks; the phony war on terror; the financial frauds of the jewish banking cabal; the total subversion of our political offices – and the international control of our media by a dangerous enemy.

  47. Wiggy – it could be a reflection of the fact that the NWO is losing ground with all their other imaginary threats and have now decided to invoke the big one. The 9/11 false flag attacks are being properly investigated now and they know that it is a matter of time before they are compromised – and heads will roll. The ‘CO2 threat’ is being exposed for the bunkum it really is. The ‘War on Terror’ is revealing that we have been attacking the wrong terrorists ….. things are not looking good for the criminal cabal. Every attempt at global power is turning into an embarrassing white elephant.

    Self-educated, honest, brave and properly adjusted people worldwide – who have escaped the widespread psychological indoctrination – are highlighting and exposing their every attempt to enforce the global police state.

    They are running out of time – and they know it.

  48. since there is so much ‘brainpower’ here, can i get some collective feedback on whether
    people here believe the Apollo moon landings were faked or real? what is the concensus among the more
    ‘aware?’ tia.

  49. First an Asian intelligence agency is a little suspicious as a source. But when you look at what we do know that has been happening it doesn’t add up to anything good for the people of America. We have been having foreign troops practicing joint exercises on American soil for some time, just recently UN forces were practicing invading Florida, complete with landing craft, air support etc to supposedly rescue the mayor?? Think about how ridiculous that is. What is wrong with our own police forces and swat teams or even military if need be. Doesn’t make sense.
    Next we have been having news releases that make Americans look hideous to the rest of the world as well. Some have even been released by our military themselves over the last couple of years, why would they do this, our media is the most tightly controlled on earth short of communist China. If they don’t want something reported it doesn’t get reported.
    It seems like they are preparing for the take down of America. Bring in the foreign troops (mercenaries), to do the dirty (bloody) work and the rest of the world will be saying good kill them all because of the portrayal of Americans that has been painted over the last few years. The state media will paint a picture of anybody who resists as a domestic terrorist cell or anarchist and America dies to become just another zone on the globalists map. Could China play a part in this,,,, not impossible.

  50. Ever wonder about these aliens? Perhaps they aren’t aliens at all. Perhaps they have existed on this planet for hundreds of thousands of years, keeping themselves hidden from the human race. Perhaps all we humans want to do is get our hands on the aliens advanced technology so we can destroy ourselves even better than before.
    If the human race attacked these aliens, wouldn’t you think the aliens would attack back? Who do you think would come out on the short end of the stick? Would we create for ourselves an extinction level event? Tread very softly upon the rice paper for it tears very easily.

  51. Travel through time? I don’t recall saying this, but you obviously must have read the dis info papers regarding some black budget projects. What was the name of the ship again?

  52. lola

    Rosin has been warning of the false-flag alien invasion “Last Card” play of the elite since at least 2000. The Project Camelot website wasn’t founded until 2006. Just because she consented to an interview by them doesn’t mean she is of their ilk. BTW, she really was Wernher von Braun’s spokesperson before he died. He’s the one who told her about the last card scam.

  53. FWIW: Latest Cassiopaean Transcript:

    Q: (L) Today is July the 22nd 2012, the anniversary of the second contact with the Cs. What is it, 18 years ago? Well, it was also the last day of the Comet Shoemaker-Levy impacts. The impacts were from the 16th through the 22nd of July. We had the first session where the Cs came through on the 16th, and the second one on the 22nd. Changed our lives forever! So… Hello?

    A: Joy to the World!

    Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?

    A: Eionjoya

    Q: (L) And where do you transmit through or from?

    A: New year coming!

    Q: (L) Where do you transmit through?

    A: Cassiopaea

    Q: (L) You seem to be a little bit excited about something.

    A: We are!

    Q: (L) What are you excited about?

    A: Peace will come!

    Q: (L) And when will this peace come? Well, maybe “when” isn’t the right question. How is peace going to come?

    A: The cosmos is going to clean house!!!

    Q: (Perceval) Doesn’t sound very peaceful. (L) Yeah, that doesn’t sound very peaceful to me!

    A: Believe us it will be after!

    Q: (L) Well. Okay, that leads to my… Do you have anything further to say before I get on to the questions?

    A: No, we know the questions!

    Q: (L) So, what you’re saying is that your remarks at the beginning… {relate to what we have been discussing which is all the really weird stuff going on).[planchette zooms around on the board] Boy, you’re full of energy! I want to know if this fire in Colorado was caused by fireballs?

    A: Indeed and did you notice that feeble cover-up? They are getting desperate.

    Q: (L) Yes, we noticed that feeble cover-up. Speaking of fireballs, there was an article that Kniall put together about this supposed comet/missile launch. We’re just kind of a little bit curious about that because there was a lot of weird stuff going on around that.

    A: You should remember what we told you years ago about “chemtrails” in relation to MIC activity, that it was fully known that the real enemy was “out there” not “over there.” Don’t discard what Clube said about this matter so easily. You should be aware that there are swarms of missiles ready and waiting to be launched at the order of the military sky watchers so as to mask what is going on. In this case and even others there was both: A comet explosion followed by a missile launch to keep the masses calm. Can’t have the PTB looking like they are angering “the gods”, ya know!!!

    Q: (Perceval) So basically what we were thinking. (L) So in other words what you’re suggesting is that there is a network of missiles around the planet belonging to various different countries. At any given time, somebody can give the order for somebody in the right place to launch a missile to cover up the fact that there are comets. Is that it?

    A: Yes precisely. You need military activity to mask celestial events. And so it has always been.
    Q: (L) Vewy intewesting. Any other questions on that topic? I think I asked this before… I have the feeling that the so-called “alien invasion” is really comets.

    A: Pretty much.

    Q: (L) What about these sinkholes? I mean, sinkholes everywhere! This is getting to be really bizarre. I have never heard of so many sinkholes in my entire life happening all over the planet. I mean, sinkholes are kind of common in Florida, but… What the heck is going on?

    A: We mentioned an infinitesimal slowing of the planet’s rotation causing everything to “open up”?!

    Q: (L) Yes, you did.

    A: We were being literal in that instance.

    Q: (L) Okay, so there are sinkholes, and there are lots of birds falling dead, and there are all kinds of animals that are dying in rivers, and in the ocean…

    A: All part of the same or similar processes.

    Q: (L) Well, how can that be part of the same or similar processes?

    A: Outgassings, landslides occurring by upwelling of water.

    Q: (L) So water coming up, gas coming out, we’ve got land sinking in, overhead cometary explosions… (Ailen) Earthquakes, volcanoes… (Belibaste) Crazy weather. (L) Oh, what about these kids that were killed in two separate incidents, one in Missouri and one in Tennessee, on the same day by an unknown source of electricity in the water?

    A: Oh! Gosh! Did we forget to mention electric charge enhancing man made sources or even acting without guides?

    Q: (L) What’s a guide? Wire? I guess “guides” is a wire…

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) Well. Alright then. Oh, what is up with the ZOMBIES?? Oh my god!!!

    A: We covered that as well! People deteriorating!

    Q: (L) They did, didn’t they? But we didn’t think it was going to get to the point of people eating other people’s faces! I mean, for god’s sake!

    A: If you are animal by nature, or simply addicted to getting your energy from others, that is merely the ultimate expression of same.

    Q: (L) Charming. (Andromeda) Eating somebody’s face?! (L) Well… Ugh… Okay, what about this crazy shooting? Now the weird thing about this shooting is that it happened in Aurora, Colorado. It was at a movie about Batman, and part of the title of the movie was the word “Knight”. It was committed by somebody getting their PhD in neuroscience. So four of those items have direct relations to things that are close to our work. So, it got our attention. Perhaps it was just to get our attention to get a question about it, but it just really is totally and completely weird.

    A: We believe we have already mentioned “Greenbaum programming”? Yes? {Which is, essentially MKUltra.}

    Q: (L) Yeah. (Belibaste) So the coincidences are just coincidences, or there’s something more? (L) So, are those elements coincidence?

    A: A sign for all! Joy is coming!

    Q: [laughter] (L) You seem to be awfully joyful about… (Ailen) Shootings, and death, and… (Belibaste) Zombies…

    A: It is not that!!! It is the balance that follows. The illness is reaching the crisis stage, after which there is a restoration to health.

    Q: (L) So humanity is sick…

    A: It is more than just one species involved here!

    Q: (L) What do you mean, like animals and stuff, or…?

    A: Partly but think of the planet and its entire biosphere and which species is behaving like a virus.

    Q: (L) Human beings?

    A: Not all, but most are carriers.

    Q: (Perceval) Psychopaths.

    A: Yes and those that “infuse” them.

    Q: (L) So, you mean 4D STS?

    A: Yes.

  54. True Dave. When you think about it – if a real extraterrestrial entity had been properly observing the goings on within Earth’s human populations – then it might well want to intervene and take out the malignant cancer that is causing all the problems!

    Then the first thing our new world order would do is mobilize the military against them in order to save their own skins! (Obviously after a suitable propaganda campaign to badmouth the aliens and constant TV re-runs of ‘Starship troopers’). We have been there so many times now.

    It has come to something when the national powers that be have become so subverted and controlled by foreign enemies operating against the national interest – that you can’t actually believe a single thing that you hear from your own government.

  55. So maybe the Gipper was flagging an event such as this – we all hold hands together to fight the evil Alien invaders – to accellerate the coming One World Goverment…..neat trick.

  56. They were highlighted a few years back – albeit briefly – the plan was to nuke them with rockets before they got to Earth……yea I know.

  57. It makes sense to invoke an EXTRATERRESTRIAL THREAT as a conduit to PLANETARY MARTIAL LAW, sponsored by the UN, given the depth and extension of the quagmire the Zion Talmudic Mafia Dons have prepared for and thrown the USA and NATO in.

    It is a “fleeing forward tactic” away from the tremendous problems said Mafia has by deceit and cunningly tied the USA and GB to.

    Instead of facing those problems (domestic) that are converting the USA in a Police State, murdering its own people through False Flag Ops: USS Liberty-9/11-BenghaziConsulateAttack, etc.,etc., and foreign -, a Rogue State in the making (phony war on “Terror” – Destruction of civilizations-countries and people under the guise of “War on Terror” and “Bringing Democracy” to nations that did not ask for it nor were ready for it – while denying the same at home for the American People- accepting an Apartheid-Mafioso-Criminal”State” (Israel) to murder Americans and dictate, via AIPAC and Tel Aviv, which policy Congress-Senate and the White House should follow… or else…); the US Parallel Govt is inventing new Tricks: UFO Threat…, i.e., the idea and goal being: “Scare the Hell out of the People worldwide and get China on the wagon, so it does not Veto any funny proposal in the Security Counsel, in order to legitimate a Global Martial Law under the UN Regis, but run by the Zion Talmudic Mafia Dons”.

    China is the biggest creditor of the USA. If I was Chinese I will, by cheer curiosity, participate in any joint maneuverer (war against UFO) just to see what The United States of Israel is up to.

    It can also be a ruse as well from the Mafia Dons to use the gimmick as a trick to infiltrate the Naval Command of China, through the age old scheme of creating “personal contacts” with the counterpart officers, thus establishing profiles and learning more about what makes them tick… watching for any sign for opening to exploit for further infiltration.

    Until I see an ET ALIVE, taken prisoner by Homo Sapiens and presented in the UN, I will remain skeptical about the New Religion of Star War or War on UFOs.

    Might be a trick too to pave the way for the development of new spatial weapon, getting round the interdiction of Weaponizing Space, under the guise of “Defending Planet Earth from ET”, an ET which EXISTENCE is still to be seen-proven.

  58. If you wish to move from point (A) to (B) you can do so only (within) the larger capsules or vessels (planets), using smaller capsule or vessel. You must understand the magnetic field strength and frequencies of the larger capsules (A) and (B) relative to their masses, which will be vary. If smaller vessel is capable of generating electromagnetic sphere around the vessel, where field strength and frequency can be adjusted or modified relative to (A) or (B), then moving from one larger capsule or vessel to another is possible. Within larger capsule (A), the smaller vessel must generate the electromagnetic field strength and frequency relative to (B), than smaller vessel will coexist within (B), and thereafter field must be collapsed to move within the larger capsule. To move back into (B) the inverse of the process is performed. When an object appears to be invisible within an electromagnetic sphere, at specific frequencies and field strengths, enough said, this maybe your discovery process.

    Travel through space? Appear within, maybe the answer your searching. That’s it GD, do you really believe no one was attempting to pass this information.

  59. ‘… dimensional rifts and distortions in time.’
    Is the south-west ‘falling into the sea’?
    Keep your cook-books handy.

  60. Clif High has forecasted this ‘Alien Wars’ meme a long time ago.
    This is what he has now posted:

    “Ohhh! Right on schedule…[alien wars]! First seen in the data waaaay back in 1999, even before the creation of the SpaceGoatFarts entity, which is chock full of [alien wars] language.

    Noting that it is the Pacific basin in the VT article linked above, and the ‘timing’, what are the ‘odds’ that the global coastal event of 2013 is the result of a ‘response’ from the [space aliens], rather than a ‘natural occurrence’.

    Next up in the [alien wars] temporal marker meme set is [farmers fight off space alien attackers with shotguns and tractors]….coming soon, to a reality near you.”

  61. Tool,

    You don’t travel through time and space, you open gateway so it coexist. Many planets have different and various magnetic field strengths and frequencies, time and space is equivalent to field strength and frequency, which is relative to body or mass. These planets are simply vessels or capsules, where space and time exist and is equivalent to the field strength and frequency, spherical magnetic field or capsule. There are methods for opening these gateways, and believe this was stated somewhat earlier in one comment section. Do you really believe there’s no planetary interconnection?

    Think carefully about what was stated above…

  62. As one of our fearless leaders said; “Your either with us or with the terrorists”. About the only truism he uttered in 8 years. This is a yin and yang world. The only grey areas are where the sheep graze. Hence you either believe the truth or you believe in a lie. The Little Fat Man with the bullhorn was outed as COINTEL 14 years ago. Fulford, A guy able to get an interview with David Rockefeller is IMO honest but a useful idiot like most of the rest. They both offer a little truth mixed with a lot of bullshit. Piss me off? Nah! That’s part of our work here figuring out which is which. They’re still both good sources since they’re hooked in and even the disinfo can be of use. Selling DVDs? As long as mammon is god what else do you expect from human nature? I’m one who has seen this kind of technology in use and still doesn’t know for sure what or who’s it is.

    Gordon a Drug Pusher? Doubt it! Unless you consider the truth a drug. You know, one taste and you can’t help coming back for more. He’s my kind of pusher, selling the Red Pill. Maybe you need to go back and take another Blue one.

  63. @ Tool – You certainly picked the right ‘handle’; go read ANYTHING by John Keel.

    @ everyone else: – Make of this what you will (Cassiopaean Transcript):

    December 10, 1994

    Q: (L) Are these aspects of our being coming to earth as part of the realm border crossing?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) Are all of us going to have to face these aspects of ourselves as other beings?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) Are there other parts of us in all realms doing other things at this moment?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) And how is this going to be affected by the realm border crossing?

    A: Will merge.

    Q: (L) Do we need to do extensive hypnosis to bring these aspects of ourselves up and deal with these things a little at a time?

    A: Will happen involuntarily. Will be like a thermonuclear blast. Message follows: See pattern. Orion, Pleiades, Arcturas, Cassiopaea; check distances from earth; progress locator for wave combined with earth references of space time. For you to figure out. Cross reference channelled messages, printing dates and location. We are where we are.

    Q: (L) What do you mean you are where you are?

    A: Cross reference Time and distance.

    Q: (L) What book do we need to cross reference?

    A: Any star chart and Marciniak, Arcturas Channel, Orion literature and Us. We speak from “crest” of wave, now, where are we?

    Q: (L) Is this a riddle?

    A: From, not of.

    Q: (L) You speak from the crest of the wave? (T) Are you riding the wave?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) You said in another reading that you were 6 thousand miles…

    A: Window of transmission.

    Q: (L) We are certainly hoping that you are going to make all of this plain and clear…

    A: It is.

    Q: (L) Well, can you help us poor 2 strand DNA creatures to understand this?

    A: How far away is Cassiopaea?

    Q: (L) Do we need specific distances?

    A: General is okay.

    Q: (L) So, if we just find the general distances… and does each of these star clusters represent a general area of the wave?

    A: Each represents locator in space time. You can judge speed and ETA by cross referencing distance with publishing dates and these messages from us.

    Q: (L) I got it! You mean that YOU are the Arcturians, the Pleiadians, and now you are the “Cassiopaeans” because you “are where you are”! And you are riding the wave. Is this wave a straight line connecting all these constellations?

    A: Circuitous or cyclical route.

    Q: (L) So, is it like a spiral?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) So we really need to set up a map so we can draw it?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are “Orions”. When from Pleiades, we are “Pleiadian”, and so on.

    Q: (L) So, all of these channelled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?

    A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it?

    Q: (L) You are the wave crest?

    A: We are Marciniak’s Pleiadians. We are where we are.

    Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopia?

    A: We are Transient Passengers.

    Q: (T) So, when the wave reaches earth and you are transmitting to somebody else out there you will represent yourselves as the “Terrans?”

    Q: When wave reaches earth, we merge with you.

    A: (L) When you were at Orion, did you merge with the Orions?

    A: Not on same frequency for realm border crossing.

    Q: (L) What effect did the wave have on the Orion sector?

    A: None. Already at 4th density level.

    Q: (L) Where did the wave originate?

    A: Did not.

    Q: (L) Has it always been cycling through the universe?

    A: Close.

    Q: (T) Okay, you are riding on the crest of this wave in 6th density, is this true?

    A: Yes. We are you in 6th density.

    Q: (T) You are we, that is me Terry, Laura, Jan and Frank?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) Are you alternate selves extending into higher densities?

    A: At your current reference point in space time, we are you in the future.

    Q: (T) We are your destiny?

    A: And vice versa.

    Q: (L) You are not, by any chance, one of those weird ant or preying mantis beings are you?

    A: Yes and no.

    Q: (T) You are just another part of ourselves? You, us, the Lizards, the ants, the grays, the trees…

    A: We are your whole self as you/we are in 6th density.

    Q: (T) So, what we are working to become is You? You are us?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (T) So, when we move to 4th density and become whole with ourselves, we will know you also for a short time?

    A: Not whole yet when at 4th density.

    Q: (T) But in order to move to 4th density…

    A: Closer.

    Q: (T) We, us, in this room, are closer than others are?

    A: No. Closer when at 4th density.

    Q: (L) When S__ was under hypnosis she described seeing a fleet of space ships “riding a wave” and this unnerved her. She felt this wave was a fearful, invasion-type thing. Was this you and your wave she was perceiving?

    A: Wave is transport mode.

    Q: (L) Is that transport mode for many beings?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) Are you coming to invade us?

    A: No, merge.

    Q: (L) Are others coming with the intention of invading us?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (L) And, when you merge with us, are you going to empower us to resist and defend ourselves?

    A: Wave is “crowded.”

    Q: (T) So, everybody out in the whole universe who want a piece of the earth action are on this wave?

    A: At realm border crossing.


    Q: (T) Since you are riding this wave, in order to communicate, since the wave is what you are using to focus this contact with, and you are, whoever you may be at whatever point the wave is, you gave Barbara Marciniak information under the name “Pleiadians”. You are telling us this. Have you told the other people, such as Barbara Marciniak, that you are contacting other people?

    A: No.

    Q: (L) So, Barbara may not know that the contacts are the same only under a different name?

    A: No.

    Q: (L) Is it because she didn’t ask?

    A: Progressive information. Also, system is like mosaic.

    Q: (L) Does this mean that different people get different pieces of the mosaic?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (T) But, you have told us that you have contacted others under other names?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (T) Have you told the others?

    A: No.

    Q: (T) Why have you not contacted the others and told them this?

    A: Just answered. Progressive.

    Q: (T) Are you still contacting Barbara?

    A: Not at this point. She is in pause mode.

    Q: (T) Does she know this?

    A: Yes. Write to her and tell her to call “Cassiopaea”. Next stop is Leo.

    Q: (T) In some time in the future, the next sending point is Leo. Does that mean that at some point we will not be able to contact you?

    A: We just told you who to call.

    Q: (T) Well, what I am having trouble understanding is why we have to call to a certain space point. We are now in touch, does this channel not stay open?

    A: Reference point.

    Q: (T) So it doesn’t matter as long as we meet regularly to talk with you?

    A: Yes.

    Q: (T) Barbara is also able to continue talking to you even though you are no longer the Pleiadians?

    A: She may talk to someone else.

    Q: (T) Are you saying that she is channelling some other source at this point?

    A: Maybe.

    Q: (L) J.Z. Knight supposedly channelled Ramtha. Who was Ramtha?

    A: Originally valid source.

    Q: (L) Did that change?

    A: Greed.

    Q: (T) So she faked it?

    A: Yes.

    (Laura Knight-Jadczyk did finally agree after much reluctance to an interview by Kerry Cassidy. Odd things went on in connection with the production staff while recording the interview if memory serves. Don’t believe she had any further interviews with Kerry.)

    Maybe an advance party has arrived?

  64. “So the USN won’t commit state-of-the-art assets to fight a beyond-the-state-of-the-art enemy because Iran’s armed forces are more dangerous than a fleet of hostile spacecraft from half a galaxy away?”

    Lol. But after Iran lets go of what little arsenal they have they still have all those camels to ride and chase down our robotic troops with. Beware the camels.

  65. So the USN won’t commit state-of-the-art assets to fight a beyond-the-state-of-the-art enemy because Iran’s armed forces are more dangerous than a fleet of hostile spacecraft from half a galaxy away?

    They must have a lot of fish out there because fishy is how the excuse smells.

  66. lola, people who work in hospitals usually make really decent money, especially in America. Perhaps you should consider signing up for Kerry’s Egypt trip and then you could come back here and tell us first hand how much of a liar she really is. You must know that there are a lot of people who would appreciate a veterans opinion like yours. If you don’t mind my asking, exactly which war did you fight in and are you suggesting that there isn’t a shred of factual information in all 18 of the films that Alex Jones has made and released FOR FREE on YouTube?

  67. I doubt blowing up earth is their main objective. It’s more likely they’re attempting to destabilize modern civilization for the purpose of reintegration into their neo-civilization since unimpeded access to a stable biological resource supply would be their primary modus operandi. All living things need to eat.

  68. I second that. Why would ETs assist Earth Govts in cover up?

    Also remember, a “threat” to US and Chinese military would include ETs disabling nuclear weapons on Earth.

  69. yes, to Jean above, there is much in this. if we follow Drake and Tolec which I do, and which I believe you do, Jean, I also subscvribe to your blog, thebad ET’s have left, and the good guys are in charge. th bad guys are the cabal as we call them, in Washingtom, London etc. the last of the puppet masters. knowing important changes are occuring to humanity and Mother Earth, what we may be seeing is a last desperate throw of a dice that should long ago have been taken away from them.
    I think we have the age old batle of evil against the now overwhelming forces of Light on this planet. there are many smoking mirrors in what the Chinese seem to be doing, I would wish Gordon Duff lets us have as much info on this as he can craftily make available to us. we are intelligent enough here to piece it together believe me.!!!! thank you Gordon for the report above by the way.

  70. Dr. Rosin was Dr Wernher Von Braun’s spokesperson in the last years of his life when he was dying of cancer. He told her it would be the last card the NWO elite would play before trying to take over the world and it would be a big lie or false-flag event. Dr. Rosin announced this on May 9th, 2001 at the Disclosure Project Press Briefing at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. The Project Camelot website didn’t even exist yet.

    I think maybe you should to do a little more research before making sweeping pronouncements like the one above.

  71. I like truth but I find “Truthers” sell DVD’s and end up turning it into a business. I dislike Alex Jones and others that burn you with BS like Fulford et al. Admit it: They piss you off too. I am not a Liar. I am a Veteran.

  72. I think “The Jews” are going to be taught the true meaning of TWO words: 1.) Holocaust 2.) Karma.

    Bring it on, whoever you are.

  73. Duff:
    If it is true or false you say “we will never know” so what is the point really? I am curious but Camelot is just FOS (full of s*&t). Too much wasted time there over the years. Kerry raises money to run around Egypt. I would like to do that too but work at a hospital. She is a hobbyist and a fraud.

  74. If it is true, we will find out or we won’t, soon enough. If the navies win, we probably won’t. If they lose, we probably will. I can’t see how we could influence the result of any battle out there. Either way, the enemy remains the same. (I call it the oligarchy principle.) If the navies lose, we’d best hope it was to reasonable creatures.

    If it’s false, it is intended to distract, cause confusion and/or fear. And we already know who is behind that (I call them the oligarchs.) Why we use our time trying to figure out whether individuals in the distribution chain are dupes or willing agents? Don’t we have anything else to attend to?

  75. None withstanding any Chinese Subs that could already have been on location off the SF coast, it would likely take many many days if not a couple of weeks for the Chinese Navy to turn up on location to battle UFO’s/USO’s.

    This supposed UFO/USO threat did not just suddenly manifest itself and with luck the Chinese Navy were conveniently available on location to act on behalf of the USA who are woefully undermanned given they have three carrier groups close by the Straits of Hormuz.

    Watching with baited breath…. ho hum

  76. What’s happened to the asteroid threat? That was supposed to be the penultimate boogeyman before we get to the hostile aliens. Yo NWO! You forgot the asteroids.

  77. Well Gordie, thought you knew about this – “… they gave us their minds …” Now what ? Don’t make me have to do that von Braun thing and laugh about this. And don’t think just ‘cos it’s been a few years they wont get spanked like Byrd did or that that ‘we’re not happy about your nuclear stuff and we just wont peace, blah, blah, blah’ isn’t entirely Lizzie double-speak. When they’re not crankin’ up the carnage, they’re fazin’ ya with the luv-bite.

  78. Wait a minute. Does this mean that if our manic murders win, we are still in the soup, and if they lose, the li’l suckers either eat us or party with us?

  79. Extraterrestrial craft, threat isolated to the Pacific Basin – Yeah, right, that makes sense. (Not to mention the “dimensional rifts and distortions in time” factor.)

    S and someone go look; is Pearl Harbor empty? The California ports? No sailors at home? Aviators? Everyone seem busy dealing with this?

    Have trans-Pacific flights been rerouted? Shipping?

  80. Extremely aggressive and hostile to who? if you can travel interstellar distances and move through the seas at mach 20 little things like turning off the worlds power grids would be childs play.

    If their pissed off and taking names maybe it’s times up for the inbred technocrat freaks that want to rule this world in a manner that is not in harmony with Universe.

  81. Because the elites have a very very very long history. 100s of thousands of years probably on this planet alone.

    It may be their bankers coming to collect their cut of the loot! You know how those Ashkenazis look kind of like Feringis 😉

  82. lola

    feel free

    however, if it is true, you will never find out, if it is false, you will never find out

    thus…we can only hope to track down the original source which, however, seems to coincide with official sources as well

    which could be lying but what lies, and why?

  83. The UFO stuff is mostly Disinformation. Gordon Duff publishes this crap to mix his bag of good info with obligatory disinfo as he is also in knee deep with the Dope Pushers. He admits it too. Remember your grains of salt, so take them along with your vitamins. Gordon is not a Truther and neither are the “Truthers” They all have agendas and multiple Masters to answer to.

  84. I read that Rosin was a Disinfo agent it BS. Project Camelot is a major disinfo site as they interview BS Artists like Dr. Deagle (Armageddon every five seconds!!!), Fulford and all the other bull crappers. Wilcock et al. Just sad assed bullshit. Ignore this.

  85. What is going on these days? Is Jones at it again, now with real Hollywood actors and real Hollywood movies like in “Battle for LA” or “Battleship” ET stuff?

  86. two, professional liars find it easier to keep lying than to own up to the truth. I can count 110 years to own up to ,with an arbitrary cut off line of 1900

  87. Could they be, as Richard Dolan calls them, the separate society that’s centuries ahead in technology (via socialized funding with privatized benefits). Question then should be, are they operating under the same neocon/zionazi mindset types who are causing so much trouble worldwide right now? Most likely yes.
    Maybe there’s an attempt being made to escape (only for those who hold a “ticket” to ride) as there will be nowhere to hide on this planet in the not too distant future. They probably intend to blow up the planet on their way out.

  88. I knew Romney was a Conehead. That’s why he spent the Viet Nam war in France. And Ryan is really Timmy from Lost In Space all grown up. And you guys thought he was Eddie Munster.

    I can feel the anal probe coming 🙁

    I’m going to break into my emergency stash of booze and just stay drunk for 6 months!

  89. Mr. Duff,
    I don’t expect you to answer this, but the question to mind is…How was this threat deemed to be extremely aggressive and unfriendly?

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