… from Press TV, Tehran
[ Editor’s Note: Lebanese officials rarely get much face time in Western media, as its handlers prefer that readers don’t have much background information because it makes them easier to manipulate. So when I saw this interview with ex-Prime Minister and Army commander Michel Aoun, it was an instant decision to run it on VT, so readers can get some input from a man who has been on the scene for a long time.
Lebanon is one of the last countries in the world where I would want to be a political leader, because to say the country has a fractured political system is an understatement. To that can be added having very dangerous forces on its border, like Israel who can invade Lebanese airspace and bomb any defensive installations that it deems a threat, something I don’t think Israel would like anyone doing the same to it.
I have video material from our VT trip to Beirut and Damascus in mid September, where I interviewed a retired general and a long time elderly journalist. I hope to get some interview highlights edited out and posted by the end of the year. Time is always short for media work, as every day a new pile comes that has to be dealt with… Renewing our daily coverage with so many conflicts going on, but we soldier on… Jim W. Dean ]
Press TV has conducted an interview with Michel Aoun, former Lebanese Army Commander, to discuss Hezbollah’s role in maintaining security for Lebanon.
The following is transcript of the interview:
Press TV: Why do you support Hezbollah?
Aoun: Well we are supporting it … we are same people living in Lebanon and maybe with different way, different confessions, different religions but we are the same citizens and we have the same nationality, the same entity. So it is normal that we will be together when Hezbollah doing the resistance to Israel which is an enemy, and is right now fighting against terrorists, so he is defending at the same time the Lebanese society which is a pluralistic society composed from different religions, different people, still being the same people.
Press TV: So is it the resistance to Israel the main thing?
Aoun: We started like that. We did not think at that moment in 2006 that we are going to have the terrorism here. So the terrorism arrived, started in Syria and also it was threatening the Lebanese border and they were trying to get in Lebanon. So he made a strong, great job in defending the Lebanese … because the army was not sufficient, let’s say, at that moment.
Press TV: I was speaking to Amine Gemayel yesterday – the former President – and he told me that Lebanon needs to have only one army and Hezbollah needs to put down its weapons and join the national army. What do you say to that?
Aoun: The army actually is not so strong, too strong to defend the country, so we have to equip the army and to train it to be able to defend our country. Right now it is not like that.
Press TV: So do you think Lebanon needs Hezbollah to defend its borders?
Aoun: Yes, we need the resistance because at any time Lebanon will not have a balance of forces with Israel or with Syria, with any other country. So if we have to defend ourselves, so we have to make a stronger army and also because the number of our population, our economy cannot support a strong army like Israel. Israel is helped by the United States, by all the Jewish Diaspora and so they can have – and helped by the United States especially – have the highest technology and weapons and so they can have a very destructive power so that we cannot afford. So we need a kind of fighting, we need the guerrillas against the classic armies. So they are stronger than us, they are more rich than us, so the only way to defend Lebanon, that is the guerrilla warfare.
Press TV: There are those who believe that your alliance with Hezbollah is because you want to become the next president of Lebanon. What do you say to that?
Aoun: Well I was not thinking of that … but when Israel attacked Lebanon at that moment we became allies. So I did not think at that moment I will become President of Lebanon. It was only that a war to defend Lebanon and to defend the Lebanese people. We did not think at that moment that there is a president to elect in five years, so it was immediate reaction along that. Those people, they are very poor-minded to think like that.
Press TV: They also believe that you want to reform; you want to change Taif Accord for the same reason.
Aoun: Yes, I want to change many laws but it is not on the agreement of Taif. We have to make reforms in our laws to have more control in the finances, to have more justice; we have to fight the corruption in the country, so we have to make these reforms but I am not going to attack our constitution. But why those people don’t say that Taif was never respected and we have to implement Taif not to change it?
Press TV: Do you see yourself the next president of Lebanon?
Aoun: Well I have the right to be a candidate and especially I am the best one supported by many Lebanese people and I am the more represented in Lebanon.
Press TV: So you think that your chances are quite high.
Aoun: Yes, why not?
Press TV: Who is your most important rival in this race?
Aoun: Rival? No rival right now. Till now there is no rival because there is big difference between me and any other rival. Therefore the opposition is well negative only. They do not present any candidate.
Press TV: Let’s go to the question of Syria, what is going on in Syria today, the terrorism that is spilling over to Lebanon and to other countries throughout the region. Who do you think is the party that is most responsible for it? Is it the Syrian government or is it those countries who are supporting terrorists in Syria?
Aoun: Well for me it is not a question of human rights like what the people said that they want to change a dictator, to change a regime in Syria. They want to change in fact the regime because Syria is not collaborating with them for economic reasons, that they want to have gas from Qatar to Turkey and then to reach Europe as a gas market and to challenge Russia in Europe. That is the first reason, therefore there is a war. They want to change Bashar al-Assad to be able to do a deal.
Press TV: Why do you think they have not managed to change Bashar al-Assad so far, up until this moment?
Aoun: They cannot because the Syrian people with their army, the structure of the country is still working and the resistance was also so strong to these attacks, to this big army coming from about 84 foreign states to fight in Syria. Syria has resisted very well and I think it was helped too from Iran, supported by Hezbollah who supported strongly the Syrian army.
So right now Syria is receiving more help and many of the West countries changed their opinion and right now they are going to fight also, not like the Russians, but they are going to fight Daesh and al-Nusra.
Press TV: Do you think that the Russian airstrikes, the Russian military campaign in Syria is going to be a game changer at the end of the day?
Aoun: Well it depends upon their will. If they want to reach only a political solution, well they will stop when the solution is reached. If not, if they want to change radically, they can do it. Maybe it will take more time.
Press TV: What is your prediction? What do you think the Russians will do?
Aoun: Well what I wish or what is my prediction?
Press TV: Well what do you wish to do?
Aoun: Well I want to fix the government of Bashar al-Assad and well to make some changes in the Syrian constitution.
Press TV: And what is your prediction?
Aoun: Well they will do that, I think.
Press TV: So you are optimistic?
Aoun: Certainly, they will destroy all the terrorists, not those that Saudi Arabia said or nominated but I think al-Nusra, Daesh, Jaysh al-Islam, all these people, they are real terrorists.
Press TV: So here is the thing, a lot of people are asking why the United States and Saudi Arabia are just calling some of those militants ‘moderate militants’?
Aoun: Well they participate with these people and they are ruling the country and they will make for them maybe a force of influence in Syria.
Press TV: A lot of people believe that now that there is power vacuum in Lebanon, it is going to have an impact on the situation on the ground in Syria. What is your opinion?
Aoun: No, I do not think because Hezbollah is fighting and it is still fighting them and nobody can interfere with our resistance there.
Press TV: The fight in Syria by Hezbollah, is that going to weaken Hezbollah’s position in Lebanon?
Aoun: No, because our alliance is so strong, as armed resistance and we are strong in policy. Right now we are neutralizing this government because they are out passing the constitution and they are abusing the power.
Press TV: There are those who believe that Saudi Arabia is spending a lot of money in Lebanon buying politicians.
Aoun: Well yes since long time ago.
Press TV: Have you heard of any top politicians being paid by Saudi Arabia?
Aoun: Well there was a leak of WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks said that the TV stations were paid by Saudi Arabia and some people are paid too. Maybe future party, they are paid by Hariri who is having money from Saudi Arabia.
Press TV: So do you believe that Saudi Arabia is directly funding the future party?
Aoun: Certainly, they have a direct influence on the Sunnis.
Press TV: What have the Saudis achieved so far in Lebanon?
Aoun: Well before they were forming governments, Lebanon was following their policy here.
Press TV: Now that things are changing?
Aoun: Right now to stop, they can do what they want except participating in, ruling the internal affairs of Lebanon but in politics they cannot change anything.
Press TV: Let’s talk about the influence that Iran has in Lebanon right now. Do you think Iran is interfering with Lebanon’s internal affairs?
Aoun: Well no. Iran, it does not interfere in our internal affairs but certainly Iran is powerful in the region and it is helping the Lebanese resistance. That is a strategic objective or aim in the area. There was mutual support from Iran to resistance and the resistance to Iran. Well it is permitted in a case because everyone is ruling his country and at the same time makes an alliance with another. It is more an alliance than it is obedience to the other.
Press TV: A lot of high-profile assassinations have happened in Lebanon over the past ten years like the assassination of Rafic Hariri and Pierre Gemayel and every time it is happening there are fingers of blame at Hezbollah, at Syria but no one says maybe Israel was behind these assassinations.
Aoun: Yes that is right.
Press TV: Why is this happening? Why is it that the Lebanese politicians are not suspicious about Israel’s role in these assassinations in Lebanon?
Aoun: Well they are following some policy and they do not want to know the truth about it but they have political objectives to accuse Syria or Hezbollah. That is a political way to say it but I do not think that Hezbollah neither Syria did these crimes.
We know that others – personally I suspect Israel – because I did not accuse Syria but when Syria was here I said it is responsible, I did not say it is criminal, I said responsibility because they are responsible for the security of Lebanon. It is some responsibility but they are not the murderers.
Press TV: So you believe that Israel could have been behind assassinations in Lebanon for the past decade or so?
Aoun: They have done already many crimes in Lebanon, many murders, some in Saida, some in Beirut. It will not be the first time but everybody was used to say before that Israel is doing the attack but after the Syrian departure, they accused Syria of doing the murders but it is not a true accusation. It is a political one.
Press TV: How do you see the role of Israel in the conflict in Syria? What they are doing over there?
Aoun: Well they participate it directly and certainly if they participate it, it pushed to change the regime of Bashar al-Assad, hoping that it will control forever the Golan Heights and it will get rid of the Palestinian refugees in Syria and in Lebanon.
Press TV: Let’s go to the issue of Turkey. Turkish politics today have made headlines all over the world. AK party has one really big landslide victory, something a lot of people did not expect. Do you think this huge victory for Recep Erdogan and Ahmet Davutoglu would put them in a position to strengthen their support for the militancy in Syria against President Bashar al-Assad?
Aoun: I do not think so. Maybe he will become more wise to attack again the Syrians and I think he was helped some foreign powers to win the elections but in condition of …
Press TV: What foreign powers are you talking about?
Aoun: Well he is in the NATO but I think he will be very quiet after the election and he has many troubles in Syria and he would like to arrange the Turkish situation before then to look to Syria.
Press TV: What is your message to AK party and President Erdogan now that they won the election?
Aoun: My message? To take care only of Turkey and has not to dream of an empire in the Middle East.