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Chatter: 9/11, Fringe Science and Disclosure

Is Fantasy Now a Reality, Has it Always Been?


By Gordon Duff Senior Editor

There is a cult within the intelligence community, those who chase the brass ring, the highest level of security of any documents or programs. Even presidents have been denied access.

Our only connection to that “other world” is television, shows like Fringe and the dozens of TV shows and hundreds of films based on the Majestic 12 documents. Few are aware that shows like X Files or films like Independence Day or Close Encounters of the Third Kind are based on evidence with an aspect of discernible authenticity. Did you catch my use of “weasel words” there?

For decades we have been bombarded with UFO stories, tales of government mind control, secret death rays, mysterious aircraft “reverse engineered” from flying saucers, nuclear weapons the size of baseballs, it never ends.

With the rise of anti-government feeling, rage and anger, some of it carefully engineered from the inside out of something more than partisanship but as an obvious tool to undermine public participation in democracy, we call it “the Murdoch effect,” conspiratorialism has become a disease. It is also a tool of deception.

At one time the FBI infiltrated, first organized crime, then trade unions, then the Klan and now, they are after 9/11 Truth, environmental groups and, particularly, any political group that, no matter how peaceful, espouses creation of a 3rd party.

The top of the list, however, is free journalism and the internet.

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For a short time, Julian Assange was a hero. Crooked politicians called for his extradition and imprisonment. His associate Bradley Manning is still a political prisoner, no question about that.

But revelations about Assange and his connections to Israel, the New York Times and his admissions of bias and censorship, ended that.

Independent analysis of Wikileaks found valuable material for sure but only enough to sell the real product, phony intelligence in Iran and Pakistan and clear manipulation of world politics in favor of long range Israeli goals.

Assange, to those of us in media who yearned for a hero, someone like Ken O’Keefe, but with real “insider access” left us disappointed. We felt betrayed.

One of the last things Assange did of note, not writing him off yet however, after all, he hasn’t gotten a stake through the heart, was to hint at the release of UFO files. He says he has them.

Something you don’t know about happened. A Scottish systems administrator, a computer guru named Gary McKinnon, back in the early 2000’s, hacked top NASA and Defense Department computers. Though the US claims he destroyed files and accessed secrets, perhaps he knows where Iraq’s WMD’s really went to. That’s cheap cover.

In fact, the stories about McKinnon ring like the tales of superspy Jonathan Pollard, the Israeli touted with stealing “chickenfeed” but getting a life sentence with top intelligence and defense officials threatening “bombshells” if Pollard is released, even though Prime Minister Netanhayu has begged for “mercy” for Pollard.

The truth? Pollard spied, not for Israel but “through Israel,” for the Soviets, causing over 1100 US agents, CIA and assets to be arrested, tortured and killed. Information Pollard sold to the Soviet Union, we have since learned, nearly drove them to a nuclear “first strike” against the United States.

This is how governments lie, no secrets there.

McKinnon got the “motherlode.” He got UFO files. Now, you will love this one, our secret squirrel agencies are so creative. What we have leaked is that McKinnon got records that prove America has a “10th Fleet” of interstellar battleships, right out of Star Trek.

Sounds to me like he may have hacked the gradebooks at Star Fleet Academy, perhaps trying to get a Bush family member a slot on the USS Enterprise on one of those “5 year missions,” you know the ones, where they meet aliens, explore new planets and have sex with new and unusual species.

Of course that goes on in Washington all the time anyway, all of it.
This is where “sources” come in.  We can’t access Assange’s UFO files, ones we are told talk about secret bases in Antarctica and Chile, that outline UFO wars over Mexico, oddly somewhat supported by video evidence.

A few weeks ago, Veterans Today covered a UFO siting, filmed with an IPhone, over Central London.  We laughed about it but we also filed it away. The Londoners staring up at this weren’t part of the “tin foil hat” brigade. It’s not about whether or not “they” are intelligent life but rather whether we are.

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McKinnon became “public enemy number one,” not for stealing files that tell a story nobody will ever believe, I sure don’t. He has something else, this is what “sources” tell us. We’re going to look at where the chatter goes and discuss the even greater significance of “disclosure.”

We know the US government lied about Iraq. Some of us know bin Laden died long ago. Most accept that John F. Kennedy was murdered by 3 snipers, my guess working for FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. My guesses are “better than average.” Check on that.

Scandals like Watergate brought down a government with almost nothing while Iran Contra, something a thousand times more serious, narcotics and arms trading by the White House, disappeared from history.

9/11 is the grand daddy of all scandals, a long exposed and admitted coverup that would expose the US government in a scandal so evil, so frightening that its severity alone is what protects it. There may even be more to this story, something we will be getting back to.

For adequate background, something needed early on, on the direction conspiracy theory is heading, the Richard Dolan video, a very long presentation, is probably worth watching.

I will preface the link by saying that I teach classes in debunking phony intelligence. This is one of my niches in life, the result, very truthfully, of being an idiot and learning to laugh at myself. There is no better school than the University of Life.

I have bought an education there few can approach. When I am accused of spying by such as Jonathan Kay, I nearly laugh myself to death.

What is the most important thing is being able to pick facts or reasonable assumptions from things others want you to believe. Here is a free lesson:

If it sounds good, confirms your suspicions and makes you want to act, send money to someone or vote for some idiot, you are being lied to.

Anyway, here is the Dolan piece. What is dangerous about it is this:

The parts that are most boring or most unpleasant are most likely true. I don’t know Dolan, don’t know his motives but “sources” high in security agencies say that this video has upset people very much.

As for why, we are going to discuss this and perhaps a bit of what McKinnon found as well.

The “chatter” involves “disclosure.”  Disclosure means America admitting that there is something much more critical than flying saucers and the dreaded “anal probe.”  Disclosure means, as Dolan suggests, that we have had a secondary technical capability that only creeps into our daily lives when it passes an economic filter.
This is the supposition:

Alien technology has been recovered, perhaps by Germans during World War 2, I have had “leaks” confirming this, no, not the V2 or the ME262, but things much more advanced.  America is said to have such technology, has had it for decades and certain aspects of it are used in technologies we are using now.

Others are kept “black.” The confirmations received verify that we do have “alien technology.”

Let’s talk a bit of history. I mentioned Majestic 12. Don’t bother looking it up, OK, try but you will be driven in circles. Many years ago, I was made privy to a heavily redacted document, US government, highly classified, that made mention of space aliens, flying saucer crashes, “men in black,”…in fact several seasons of X Files.

Feel free to Google Majestic 12 and read what you can find. However, real documents leaked on the internet in the early 1990s have been surgically removed.

They were a nasty read, worse than if Dick Cheney had a diary claiming he ordered 9/11. Majestic 12 talks about a treaty with aliens. We get technology and they get people. They get people. From the read of it, the “anal probe” would have been a kindness. The whole thing could be a fabrication though some documents have passed rigorous vetting.

Heading from possible “wild conjecture” to more solid ground, if such exists in an area like this, technology is at the heart of the discussion. These are the high impact common technologies that “sources” say exist:

  • Gravity drive; These systems are said to be mechanical, capable of being duplicated with common mid-20th century technology and to allow flight of vehicles with “non airworthy” characteristics and performance that would normally turn occupants into hamburger were the drives not to have some aspect of eliminating the detrimental effects of passenger mass in relationship to normal Newtonian forces. The economic impact has nothing to do with travel. If you can fly, you can also power an automobile or a power generating station. There are no limits. Overnight, hydrocarbons, coal, oil and gas, are worthless as is nuclear power.
  • Advanced physics, fission, fusion and particle beam energy; Reports “not made” by defense research facilities in the US, “do not tell” of advances in physics making fission, power generation or weapons capability, possible by achieving “critical mass” with grams, rather than kilograms of “weapons grade” nuclear material. These projects went “dark” over 20 years ago and, at that time, indicated discoveries so profound as to be earth shattering. Rumors of development of fission capabilities and particle weapons, we will call them wild rumors, developments long enough ago for “real world” applications to exist.


This is pure Hollywood. The question, however, is a more “gentle” version capable of bringing down aircraft, affecting weather or, perhaps dropping the occasional large public building?

Were this so, have they been keeping their “physics” under wraps, whether to save the auto industry, keep big oil going, stir up new wars or simply out of some sickness, a madness that having the power of the g-ds at ones fingertips is known to bring? Could these technologies exist now? Have they existed for decades?

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157 Responses to "Chatter: 9/11, Fringe Science and Disclosure"

  1. Born To Be Lied To  August 16, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Richard Dolan
    your bell rings true so to speak,
    I understand you kind of felt obligated to try and finish with some optimism and restrained hope.
    (the last several minutes)

    Catherine Fitts was the first person I ever heard refer to a “breakaway civilization” , for a long time i had a loose hypothesis about a/the “breakaway civilization” (s) , the phrase “breakaway civilization” fits pretty good.
    I am sure that many of those who view this had already come to a general conclusion/hypothesis that the ufo’s/(UAPs)/etc. were at least mostly “local” /from Earth more or less.
    /already been here for quite awhile,
    3 decades of the chemical fuel powered space shuttle was just for show and crowd control although not suggesting they didn’t put up satellites,etc. The International Space Station was just something that was presented to the general public to help provide cover for a lot of funds going elsewhere and to put on a show,literally.

    My view of the numerous idiot UFO cults/endless Co-Intel generated weirdo
    groups/etc. is represented by the video clip from Independence Day _

    99% of everything on the internet about unidentified stuff in the sky/space is pure drivel/garbage/ and put out by Cass Sunstein among so many others for years & years

    I do not place you in that category
    I do not place you in that category
    I do not place you in that category

    My compliments to Richard Dolan
    Thanks , Obiwan Gordon Duff

    I will be quite comfortable with a couple dozen 5 mile in diameter space navy ships showing up,
    As a request please do so during clear sunny weather with a minimum of clouds, Perhaps about a mile above the surface and proceed from the East Coast to the West Coast at about 4 miles per hour, A lot of us will want to get plenty of photos,
    If this can be done without emitting/exposing the surface population to harmful EMF/Radiation then it would be just great 🙂 , yes I really mean it

    The endless UFO/Sci-fi movies,
    though many were entertaining, the primary purpose was to muddy the waters, the
    endless,useless repetitive,circular,pointless Mass media ufo/space documentaries,
    project blue book one of the best or the best example of documentaries filled with recycled/dull drivel/some bordering on drivel/ and endless fillers and some neat sounding speculation based on stuff that touched on nothing, more noise to confuse the public or to satisfy some portion of
    the public that the issue(s)/controvery(s) had been settled or the goverment had come clean on the majority of the key points.

    As far as the agenda of the “those ” , I loved this phrase ” the classified world obviously is not monolithic its huge byzantine,labyrinthian, not everyone has the same opinion

  2. Tim  August 12, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Gordon Duff, you are my hero of the day. If you and Veterans Today are talking about these things, surely it won’t be long before the sheeple of the United States are forced to awaken.

  3. Richard Dolan  August 11, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Greetings, and I am pleased to see this article. I don’t have anything to add beyond the remarks in my video, except to say that the idea of a “breakaway civilization” is something I have been thinking about for a few years now. With due respect to Alan Wattage, whom I do not know, I would dispute being anyone’s “shill.” Within the field of UFO research, many people know me. I work hard at what I do, and work only for myself, certainly no agency — never have. The Amsterdam lecture, like many, was one in which bright lights regularly shine on me. If my eyes moved (and I have not bothered to examine this), I can guarantee that is why. Perhaps he has never done public speaking. In any case, I have a statement on the wall of my office, by my favorite of all writers, Leo Tolstoy. “In life as an in art, there is one thing necessary: to tell the truth.”

  4. Steve Campbell  August 11, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Some information to consider:

    Scalar Weapons: Read It and Weep


  5. MFranklin  August 11, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    The subject of UFOs is entirely relevant, entirely worthy of our attention. But if I may offer a few thoughts…

    -Our government flat-out denies interest in the subject.
    -Our science and universities robustly ignore the topic.
    -Our mainstream media ridicules eyewitnesses and drives them behind locked doors.
    -There are no benchmarks, no gold standards and no foundation from which to judge the hoax from the real deal.

    As such, we have to understand that anyone claiming to be an expert in a field that is, by its very definition an unknown, is taking us for another ride.

    Open minds are critical to ever understanding the subject of aerial phenomenon. But we must be able to define our path to that understanding through logic and scientific method. Anything else, and we’re chasing a white rabbit into a deep hole in the ground.

    Thanks for your time 🙂

    Mike Franklin

  6. Sangay Chopel  August 11, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Heard several of Bob Dean’s interviews/talks some weeks ago where he spoke about some of this material. More than likely it was one of the several Project Camelot interviews with him.
    Project Camelot also did a four hour interview in late June 2009 with a Dr. Pete Peterson, PhD. One of the best pieces I have ever heard. Then again I am prejudice as he is a former ‘Marine.
    For the first two hours I was riveted to what he was saying. When he went to Part 2 I knew he had a clue as he was talking about healing.
    I have spent years with adjunct/complementary healing moralities, working on myself and others. I am very fortunate as in my mind this has saved my life more that once. Anyone interested in this article would love the Dr. Peterson one.
    I found this link on David Icke’s web site this morning and now have another link to check regularly.
    Great article!

  7. Alan Wattage  August 11, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Dolan is under control. Here’s a little secret, anyone blinking in rapid succession, such as the eye movements practiced by our illustrious Mr. Dolan in the above clip, have either been tampered with previously or… are presently being manipulated by an outside “source”.

    You will find this telling trait in many so-called whistle-blowers, as well as political figures (exhibit A: George Bush Jr.). Any neurologist can tell you, this is a sign of detachment between the self (physical being) and neuro-mechanics (mind, memory, consciousness).

    Dolan is a shill, whether he knows it or not. In fact, the most effective agents of disinformation and counter-programming are those who don’t even know that this is their purpose. They actually believe what they are saying. Deep, deep, conditioning here, folks.

    Watch the eyes. They never lie.

  8. wolfy  August 11, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I believe there is more truth hidden in legends then we realize as it’s MY belief the all ledgends ar based on a longago forgotten truth.

    Has anyone here tried to connect (or show a connection) to the Philadelphia Experament? interesting trail back to acient Egypt and current powerful families of today.

    Also: Does anyone have a complete set of books related to: “Alternative 3” ?
    I’d love copies of Alternative 1/ Alternative 2. if anyone knows where to get those other 2 books.

    I love the shared info here and find it very interesting. Being a 59 yo High School drop out I wont try to pretend to be knowlegable as I consider myself a ‘Seeker’ of knowledge. I will write down the info I get here and research it for myself and thank you one and all for futher educatiing me. I may have done poorly in school but at lest I DID learn to read. :}

    I am a Vietnam Vet who grew up outside a U.S. Air Force (SAC) Base and l now what a fixed wing aircraft can do; I also know what a rotorwing air craft can do. That said; Of all palce’s, I saw something in the sky about 01:00 – 03:00 from my guard tower in Qui Nhon, RVN. 1971. I guess ‘et’s also interested in why and where WE fight. but most importently, I believe there may have been NUKE’s stored at the ammo dump across from my base camp due to the mushroom cloud that went up during an intial attack by the V.C. one night. Maybe ‘et’ was taking air samples the following night and trying to moitor human use of atomic energy? Who knows?

  9. Tom Valentine  August 11, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I know nothing about this stuff. I never cottoned to “alien” lore, but smart enough to admit I know not. Evidentially, I am the only one in here to have known and associated with the fabled Peter Beter. He was a munchkin who had credibility problems due as much to short stature, voice and mannerisms as to his claims. Nevertheless his revelations to me in 1974 led to headlines: “No gold in Fort Knox” at the checkout stands all across America in the old National Tattler, for whom I toiled as the “miracle editor”) (had to uncover a miracle a week) during early 70s. Beter introduced me to Ed Durrell, and Edwin Vierra men who despised the Rockefeller crime family.(Google them) His claims about Soviet bombs in places like Lake Michigan may have given him cover. He spent a lot of time in Africa. All I can swear to is that he was right about the gold theft by the Rockefeller crowd, starting with “the London gold pool” in 1961. The article in the Tabloid forced the bureau of the mint to open the Knox vaults for a media show. I was not in the country so another editor went in my place. The upshot— they only opened one of 29 vaults, and the bars displayed were not 99.9 fine, they were would require refining to be marketable. Our national gold was among the first batch of stolen wealth by Banksters. As for space crap, I know that DARPA has stolen Tesla technology from individual inventors (Ed Gray capacitor discharge perpetual power engines, another story broken under my name in Tattler, where I became first to use real name on bylines. One story I never got to write may be biggest yet. I attended the first meeting of the Ancient Astronayt Society in Zurich in 197?, where I met the fabled German physician, Dr. Hans Nieper; We became fast friends. Not only did he provide great material for health journalism, but he confided in me that his first love was gravity and the potential of Gravity power. Hans was deadly serious about it and hinted that in time he would show me “working models”. At a visit to his home in Hanover in 1992, I naively asked him how things were coming with the gravity games. He blanched, and suggested we cool it. I thought he was too paranoid at the time. He later said that what he and “his associates” were into was such a threat to status quo, they all feared for their lives. That is all I know or ever knew (in case the bastards are reading this). seriously, I have nothing to fear because I have no first hand data, and I’m such a big-mouth, open book my profilers ignore me. Hans Nieper died a few years ago and the world lost a genius, who may, or may not have had Nazi research connections. You can all imagine how the fascist pricks must utterly fear anything that could do away with energy monopoly. Remind me to tell about the pyramid-shapes dynamo seen in recurring dream for decades. (that may stir it up in here.)Not that more stirring is needed or wanted.

    • Alastair Carnegie  August 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm

      @Tom Valentine,…Re:- Dr. Hans Nieper and ‘gravity power’. you should check out the Serbian Inventor, Veljko Milkovic from Novi Sad. His “Mechanical Amplifier” counterweighted pendulum on cantilever beam devise, is quite obviously over-unity, and in his YouTube 34 minute video he gives an excellent demonstration. The measured 12 to 1 over-unity section is precisely 18 minutes into the video presentation, and leaves absolutely no doubt as to the authenticity of the Novi Sad Teams claims. We have adapted the working principle, with numerous significant improvements. We use synchronous twin pendulum wheels, full 360 degree rotation, and pneumatic reaction turbines to maintain rotation. Our brief is to extract heat, not electricity. Low wattage light bulbs and domestic appliances do not consume vast amounts. As long as a house has free hot water and central heating, electricity bills are affordable. We expect the units to be no larger than a washing mashine, but they will be very heavy! probably over a ton of steel in each unit. Shredded scrap steel from recycled rubbish etc. sintered into blocks with induction heat and hydraulic rams…blah. Progress is slow but steady, as each new prototype is evaluated. We anticipate at least a 30 year service life, exclusive of maintanance replacement parts. Many families have difficulty paying utility bills, they could be offered affordable lend lease agreements to cut down heating expenditure.

  10. Myles O'Howe  August 11, 2011 at 8:03 am

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  11. Joyfire  August 11, 2011 at 7:38 am

    By the way, the orbs or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) are part of Earth’s Shadow Biosphere, they are another form of life that are plasma based. This is the big mystery and anyone who has bothered to check out the existing scientific or military documentation in the public domain and engaged brain would have worked this out.

  12. geobro  August 11, 2011 at 6:54 am

    on 9/11 or the 11th of september as us simple scottish folk say i had to look at my watch i knew jew york was 5 hours behind gmt london . not that day reports on the news at 9.30 gmt 4.30 your time had to smile when i read BEHOLD A PALE HORSE by wm cooper .then watch JFK kevin costner meets a navy bloke on the steps who puts him straight all became clear then .the chapter on microchips in humans in the book interested me more my one was removed in 1987 by a dental surgeon later found hanged .MR DAVID ICKE knows more than he says underground bases YIP i painted one in scotland .i wonder about mr icke why aint nobody taken him to court or banned his books or popped a cap in his ass there all rich people/? the queen and G W BUSH would only take a phone call to sort all that lies happy hunting folks

  13. Dave  August 11, 2011 at 6:29 am

    I have just recently finished reading a science fiction novel called “The Four Orders- of inherent freedom”.
    In it, the authors describe all of the technologies and strategies talked about here and more. After contemplating this similarity in information I have determined that there are three possibilities for this coincidence: #1: The authors are in fact the main characters and feel the need to get the message out in a clandestine way. #2: They know someone connected to this research and were fed this information. #3: That their creative imagination just conjured the story from the many possibilities instilled by watching a lifetime of sci-fi movies. “Energetics” is the first of the four novel series. What I find intriguing about this story is how this form of science can and does free mankind from all forms of servitude where we are free to explore our true selves.
    Re: 9/11: Given that we have all seen evidence of crop circles. One could conclude that it is a technology that uses the tranference of ‘heat’ with x,y,z control from a remote position. If stationed in a satelite it should be a small matter to focus this energy on any floor of a building and melt the steel structure. All that would be needed is the conventional cover story like a plane flying into the building. Was this just a desperate demonstation of current technology? and to whom?

    • bobby  August 11, 2011 at 9:56 am

      google Dr. Judy Wood….

    • Gordon Duff  August 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm

      this sounds like the FBI story told to Khalezov in 2007, nuke missiles

    • OS - Final  August 13, 2011 at 3:41 pm


      My hopes are to complete a small energy device before end of year to demonstrate true simplicity, if that’s possible in the United States today. Something to leave behind, if you wish to know who I am, I am one of the 300 listed below 5309093 (The groups quite small). And might add, it;s often dangerous to develop new technologies. I’ll try to help, if possible.

    • OS - Final  August 13, 2011 at 3:42 pm


  14. Steve Budge  August 11, 2011 at 4:53 am

    In my view HAARP is full of physics kept secret, the evidence for weather control and earthquake weapons is beyond doubt in my mind. Check out the work of Scott Stevens and Nick Begich.

    With respect to UFOs, I currently regard this as defnitive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQZBU4RGuTY&feature=related

  15. ender  August 11, 2011 at 12:11 am

    A part of the “agreement” is “we will give you this if you look the other way, and never, ever spread some very specific technologies among the general populace”. “Look the other way” means that everyone in the position of power knows that there are some ‘people’ out there, but as long as they are getting handsomely payed to turn a blind eye, everyone (in power) is perfectly happy with the deal. A classical “king-setup” (or “heavenly rights over the subjects con job”) of the old ages, but slightly modernized for “technocratic age” (yes, Zbigniew Brzezinski).

    They even talked about it themselves… back in 1970s or so.


    Now, who is going to name one, just one, really technologically-adept expert who saw back in 1970s that “technocratic age” was coming? At least one politician certainly did know, so tell me how some political dumb-ass (an incredibly stupid man, if I ever saw one) could know something better than the best engineers of the time? Access to proper information is the right answer.

    “Never, ever spread some very specific technologies among the general populace” means that some technologies are off-limit. Why? Because those “heavenly rights over the subjects” would go out in a puff of smoke if “godly powers” were revealed to be nothing more than some stupid piece of technology. A magician can keep his public hypnotized only for so long as he can maintain an atmosphere of mystique. Unexplained and misunderstood are the tools of the trade in any *population control*. Just ask ancient “priests” and “god-kings”.

    There’s that, but there’s also one other reason…

    Technological gadgets tend to break over time. And since the outpost is so far away from any factory that could produce spare parts, one needs a little “help” from the natives. If native monkeys could be trained sufficiently in the process of manufacturing spare parts, one could, in theory, have the monkeys on a short leash, yet perfectly capable of producing every piece of technology one could ever need to keep those same monkeys caged forever. But for that to work, some technologies are *off-limit*. Some lines are never allowed to be crossed.

    In short, a perfectly well known, and gigantic, problem with remote outposts is that they tend to only have working drones and soldiers, but no scientists or engineers of any kind. Those engineers that may have existed at some point usually, and rather quickly in relative terms, degenerate into simple-minded button-pushers who have absolutely no idea how things actually work. Creative thinking in such places becomes of utmost importance.

  16. Taken By The Greys  August 10, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    I have had close encounters with crafts and with beings through my lifetime..I was first abducted by men in black when 14 years old..though they were not human and I found myself on board a craft.

    I have seen UFOs that can travel many miles in a fraction of second from sitting idle in the sky. UFOs so close that I could throw a stone and hit.

    Silver Disc, elongated diamond crafts, glowing disc crafts, large orange sphere…and many more..

    Having had many years and still on going experiences with the greys…I have had my entire world…become different from what most seem to think is going on. My perspective IS one of an abductee.

    One thing I have never understood is how anyone can hope for disclosure from governments….all they do is lie..and suddenly..their words would mean something? I don’t get that…but I will say..pay attention to people who have had close encounters…they likely know more truth than you will ever get from outsiders.

    Google “taken by the greys” to learn of my close encounters..and what I know..is real.

    • Taken By The Greys  August 11, 2011 at 6:37 am

      What language would that be?

      The best I can explain it is…they are truly alien and..we have no control.

      I do know that the elite..NWO…is focused on events to come…and these events will involve ET..to begin..before the main event..but..believe what you want..I do have a perspective..that is my own.


    • Taken By The Greys  August 11, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      They have been with us since mankind began on Earth..I do feel that if the intention to kill or harm us was there…we would well be aware of ET already. That does not mean that they will not harm or kill. With billions of people here..we certainly do not miss a few if they are never returned. I still worry..I know that death can happen..just like the mutilated animals.

      The thing is..ET has been here and with us for our entire history on Earth.

      It first started with information passed from ET. It was a celestial..or astronomical forecast for this planet.. and..from what I was seeded with for knowledge when taken by the greys..I see things more clearly then I could ever have imagined..or thought.

      I see how religions seem to think..that they are actually worshiping gods…when..it has been ET all along.
      They talk of the day when their god or gods return..Funny enough they all are returning from the sky..This is just part of the misdirection..it goes very deep.

      The ground shaking reality of it all is..that an event was forecast..and..will come..It is the elite..or powers that be..have had this information for a very long time.

      The fact is..they (ET) will show themselves to the world, eventually with massive crafts that are miles long…before our main event..and..there will be many ships..
      I have no doubt the lies will continue to flow from the governments and media and even religion..but they will not be able to deny the reality of them (ET) being here..

      The powers that be will instill fear into the people..that have no clue.

      In short…they are not our saviors..but they will not let our species from earth..fall into total extinction even if it means taking but a few..before the planet is done..

      I will be very detailed when I describe everything..and share more..but..I will wait till I have proof..I expect a HD video of a UFO up close..closer than anyone has seen before. I will bring proof to shock the world awake…The only way we will wake up..is if we are shaken to reality…I was..

      Like I said in my first post..read my blog..and learn..It is real. There will be more from my experiences as they happen. I will also still be sharing what I may discover..in the area in Manitoba where my encounters happen.


  17. TommyTCG  August 10, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Misinfo article.

    http://www.theyfly.com for a reality check.

  18. Ned  August 10, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    I have not to my knowledge seen an ‘alien’ flying object nor a ghost/spirit but I know sincere people who claim to have seen one or the other. So, until I put my finger in both wounds, stuffed if I know.

    In the 90’s I read a book reportedy authored by a Colonel (?) Corso (US -now deceased) which seemed to have legs. Corso says he was in charge of engineering objects backwards for distribution to the market.

    From reliable accounts; in the early 1950’s some Americans approached the CEO of AWA (Amalgamted Wireless (?) ) an Australian company in Australia who at that time had the market in radio valves. The Americans offered him the opportunity to “invent” the object presented. The poor idiot refused, as he thought it would ruin his radio valve market.

    So the Americans went and spoke to a Japanese fellow and offered the task to him. He took it up and formed a company..named it SONY. It was not long before every one had transister radios!!

    So for the radio valve market!!

    Now does that fit with the type of activity that Corso and his crew were up to? Why was there a requirement to ‘invent’ an object already in existence?

    Interesting game apparently being played by some in the know, if they are playing it, one can suspect that it has become selective and more serious since Corso’s days and no doubt more profitable for the selected few with corresponding power and influence.

    One might keep in Mind Eisenhower’s retirement speech about the growing industrial war machine and on what basis he may have believed that we should be warned about it?

  19. Yaridanj  August 10, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Think for yourself. We do not need a lying government to tell us about aliens or alien technology.


    An Electro-magnet Aerodynamic Augmentation Device From Alpha Centauri


    An analysis is offered as to how extra-terrestrial alien “saucers” ease their passage through our low atmosphere at supersonic speeds without sonic “booms” and what electromagnetic radio frequencies may leak from their related (and now patented) Aerodynamic Augmentation Device (AAD).1 Explained are UFO related enigmas like magnetic fields, glowing saucers and the lack of “sonic booms” during high speed encounters.2 Possible UFO related “radar” transmission frequencies are postulated. A method to distinguish alien vs. human produced crop circles is considered.

    Patents #5,791,599 and #5,797,563. Patent disclosure 360329; 26 August 1994.

  20. Hemlock  August 10, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I can tell you that the United States government does indeed have an extraterrestrial saucer which is sequestered at S4 Groom Lake Nevada. The ETs left it intact and unoccupied on the runway at Holloman AFB in 1973. There are 4 other countries who also received the same craft. The US government destroyed their saucer by removing integral parts, such as the on board ‘computer’, which the DoD thought was an engine. They only recently within the past few years discovered their error when it was pointed out to them. There is no engine on board the craft and the US DoD has never determined what the propulsion mechanism is. The US however did glean silicon chip technology and fiber optics from the craft, but that is the extent of their ‘reverse engineering’. To date the US/UK governments have yet to understand gravity, so it is quite impossible they have built ‘FTL’ space craft or been able to reverse engineer technology which is billions of years in advance of human kind. The US/UK governments are much more concerned in keeping the British Crown banking bandits in business rather than providing the means for the slaves to escape their financial grip. There are no banks in outer space, and that is the LAST place either the US or UK government wants anyone to go. McKinnon is a dupe and has been deliberately fed false ‘information’ in order to foster the lie that the US/UK are technologically advanced. They aren’t. The US government spends most of its time disinforming its own government — and half the US government believes the propaganda! The sad truth is, the USA is so behind technologically, that they’re STILL using the antiquated U2 to spy on China!

    • Gordon Duff  August 10, 2011 at 10:47 pm


    • Hemlock  August 11, 2011 at 9:11 am

      You’re welcome. There is more, but it is very grim. Most people would not want to know and this is the reason why there has never been ‘UFO’ disclosure. ETs gave an example of their technology to Earth’s civilizations in order to assist them in leaving Earth. Earth is ending — the Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way galaxy are colliding and the affects of this collision have been noted by world astronomers, specifically NASA. Earth has lost most of its atmosphere and is currently undergoing geophysical changes which will render Earth uninhabitable. Earth’s rotational axis has changed rather dramatically, which is the cause of global climate change. There isn’t much time left and other countries are preparing to leave Earth. The US/UK is not, they’ve decided to go down with the ship so to speak due to their ill founded religious beliefs and their desire to become the gods of Earth. For more information on the origins of Earth’s religions, read Michael Tellinger’s _Slave Species of god’.

      Good luck. And good bye.

    • Hemlock  August 12, 2011 at 11:26 am

      Your opinion is insignificant. Your deluded and imbecilic so-called world government is planning to kill you anyway so your consent is not needed. Just ask Al Gore or Bill Gates.

    • Hemlock  August 11, 2011 at 10:09 am

      This photo above:
      http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/05/chatter-911-fringe-science-and-disclosure/screenhunter_29-aug-05-21-17/ is a photograph of the many remotely controlled ETs devices in near Earth orbit which will prevent anyone not of their choosing from leaving Earth.

      It’s part of an ET weapon system surrounding Earth.

    • MFranklin  August 11, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      In re: Image: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/05/chatter-911-fringe-science-and-disclosure/screenhunter_29-aug-05-21-17/
      That image, sir/ma’am, is a screen snag from one of John Lenard Walson’s videos supposedly of orbiting ships belonging to an Earth-based space effort so black that no one knows about it. I suggest Googling the name John Lenard Walson and the word ‘video’ for more info and perhaps some remaining of his copyrighted material.

    • Hemlock  August 12, 2011 at 11:21 am

      Walson never made that claim. In fact Walson doesn’t know what they are, and neither did DARPA or NASA.

    • Hemlock  August 12, 2011 at 11:38 am

      You apparently have nothing but contempt for the continued survival of the human race. The sad fact is, so do your handlers. They’ve imprinted their own worthlessness on you. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Your handlers hate the human race. There’s no way you can survive with contempt for life. You need other life to survive.

    • Hemlock  August 11, 2011 at 10:23 am

      The photograph above ScreenHunter_29-Aug.-05-21.17.jpg is not a human-made craft, it is extraterrestrial. It is one of many, perhaps several hundred, which are in near-Earth orbit. NASA (and other governments) have up close and detailed photographs of these objects. They are an extraterrestrial ‘weapons system’ which will prevent anyone of their choosing from leaving Earth. The ETs don’t want violent and grossly ignorant species traversing the Universe spreading their mayhem universally. So it is a fair bet that the US/UK will never become space faring — their religions and culture will die on Earth and be forgotten.

    • Born To Be Lied To  August 16, 2011 at 8:15 pm

      thanks for all that,
      feeling much better, for a while I have been sure we were being screwed on many levels,with your input it all looks much more optimistic

  21. MFranklin  August 10, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    The St Patrick’s Day cake (ScreenHunter_28-Aug.-05-21.17.jpg) or disk or whatever, is the heat shield for the new NASA Orion space capsule, flipped over bottom side up. Old pic. Sorry.

    The rest of the post is quite interesting. Thanks 🙂

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