American Jews Debate is Edifying – They Just Don’t Get It

Ignoring the real issue.


by Tom Valentine


Leading Israel-first American Jews held an illuminating debate about American politics and Israel’s future recently. It is available for all to see at the link below, Watch the two debates between the non-aggressive leader of J-Street, Jeremy Ben Ami, and the arrogantly aggressive Bill Kristol and Allen Dershowitz, then read the account at Mondoweiss, a website billing itself as featuring “the war of ideas in the Middle east.”

Bill Kristol celebrates Republican Party purge of ‘old fashioned Arabists’ Scowcroft, Baker and Bush I

It won’t take long for VT readers to see the glaring omission in this debate. How can Israelis anywhere complain that Palestinians and Persians want to “drive them into the sea? When the core philosophy of Jews is the racist Talmudic separation of all Jews from all other humans, whom they consider to be cattle?

Obviously, it is this ‘we are the chosen’ chutzpah that is the basic flaw underlying all the hatred, wars and Massacres like Gaza in recent decades and terrorism by Irgun in the early days of the forming theocracy,which was a huge political manipulation by the Banker-dominated West.

In case you sayan shills and bloggers wish to try tarring me for using “code” by calling it “banker-dominated,” I do mean Jewish-dominated. It’s not code, it’s historic truth.

If anyone misconstrues my citing of fact in this column as attempting to arouse hate against Jews—you just don’t get it either—the cosmic double-standard was not my idea, and I consider any person who knowingly claims to be a Jew, Israeli-firster commits a hate crime against the world.

Folks like me are passionately opposed to corrupt, tyrannical government and the “collective” mentality, as contrasted with the cooperative mentality. I have, perhaps too much so, empathy and compassion for fellow humans who also have the same toward me.

See Kevin Barret’s excellent piece here: Evil, Madness, and Blind Spots: Two New Books on Psychopathy Leave their Selective Empathy Showing

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35 Responses to "American Jews Debate is Edifying – They Just Don’t Get It"

  1. geraldparker  May 30, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Tom, Right on, dude! One has to cease pussyfooting around with these criminally minded liars! Analyse the truth, accepting the impact of the facts, and tell it like it is. Nothing short of that is going to awake the U. S. of A. (and many others) from their filthy pro-zionist dreams.

  2. beausoleil  May 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    First of all, the word ‘jew’ as used by most people on this site, usually refers to a belief system and way of life which is ‘chosen’ by the individual. Secondly, in Iberia, there were Sephardic and Ashkenazi jews, two completely different groups with different rituals and beliefs who were not in anyway allies (look up the word ‘Spain’ in the and it explains the difference clearly. The Muslims also consisted of different groups with opposing beliefs and dynasties, so one must not oversimplify these things, which would be ‘anti-semantic’. The first people who opposed the ‘jewish’ belief system called themselves Christians. Being former ‘jews’ themselves, they certainly did not oppose themselves, but simply adopted a new way of living with their neighbors which involved expanding the definition and boundaries of the idea of a ‘Tribe’ to potentially include everyone on the planet. It was a necessary evolvement. Thank you Tom for an excellent article today.

  3. Jason  May 26, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    So much wisdom!

    But how wrong. Jews rarely hate anti-Semites.

    For example, you’re an anti-Semite and I don’t hate you.

  4. Jason  May 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Jews are a people. It just that simple.

  5. jameshoward  May 26, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Excellent article and posts.

    With just thought and not research, I have been asking myself how this one sided war against us compares with extremes in history.

    In 1933, Jews of the world overtly declared war against Germany, with German Jews (very prosperous generally) continuing to live among the Germans. In hindsight, an overt war deliberately causing economic harm to one’s own country was not smart.

    Today’s war against us is covert. 9/11 was pure perfidy; and the effort to cover it up and prohibit discussion is near universal. Now we have many in positions of trust and power, with major financial crimes via transfers etc, and destruction of the country as a covert goal or integral part of their plan. Perfidy and breach of trust do not get worse. Without widespread knowledge of this, We are living a charade to enrich the organized criminals while suppressing the news—without a mainstream media loyal to the country.

    Many elements play into this: the minefield of mindless derivatives, which has already served as basis for a major shakedown, and reportedly has many more built in emergencies which will be used for more shakedowns and transfers of funds; control of national dialogue to prevent a corrective course, blame or constructive ideas; mindless war and the profits and power therefrom; enforcing policies that careen country toward cultural destruction via Hollywood, outsourcing, hiring policies that favor dark skin or third world, Madison avenue; and complete control of Congress, media, educaton, police and intimidation; with fraudulent WOT for constant false scares and loss of liberty; and suppression of all laws for elite/organized criminals.

    I believe/suspect this is likely the worst extreme of excessive power arrogated by deception/swindles ever in the history of man. Most important: we have not only lost our country, we have become evil, like Israel. How can any right thinking American vote for either the captured Democratic party or captured Republican party—when we have an evil government??

    I enjoyed yours, Thanks for reading my thoughts.

  6. Tom Valentine  May 26, 2012 at 6:32 am

    THE BEST JOURNALIST Douglas Reed, in his 1955 book Conspiracy of Zion opened with the following:
    “I believe the Jews of the world are equally beginning to see the error of revolutionary Zionism, the twin of the other destructive movement, and, as this century ends, will decide to seek involvement in mankind.”
    All they have to do is repent the chutzpah. that God made them special and everybody else is just cattle.

  7. bslev  May 26, 2012 at 5:04 am

    Wendy, are you the Wendy who used to blog at Dag? I really hope not. Gosh, I’ve felt a bit of that Jewish guilt since you left us. But now I am glad you aren’t there. You really are a hater–a classic barb right there for all to see: “Disproportionate number of Jewish business people are crooks. It’s a character flaw.” Wendy, I don’t care about convincing anyone on this hate site about anything but you and I used to break bread. How sad, how ugly. Do you write this stuff at FDL too, or only at places like this where they let all the Jew hatred hang loose?

  8. ricohands  May 26, 2012 at 2:29 am

    Very well said. Ugly is their character.

  9. ricohands  May 26, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Too right. What Israel & the Zio occupied USA badly needs is to be backed into a corner by a stronger force and contained, for the good of all humanity

  10. ricohands  May 26, 2012 at 1:23 am

    Love Gilad but he wasn’t the first one to say that. According to Dutch Auschwitz survivor Hajo Meyer ‘Formerly, an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and had a Jewish soul. But nowadays an anti-Semite is someone who is hated by the Jews’.

  11. wendydavis  May 25, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Some game is being played. A plot maybe to reassure history does not repeat itself yet again. But I say this, we have a responsibility to respect the majority of the world’s view because the majority tends to be right. Disproportionate number of Jewish business people are crooks. It’s a character flaw. They need regulated or history is going to repeat itself. Anyone who deeply cares for the state of Israel should try to get that country into therapy. Hysteria and paranoia is the undercurrent I’ve read more than once, when AIPAC is visiting the public servants. I guess dollar figures are part of that meeting as well.

    It’s not the people in Israel, it’s the Israeli foreign policy.

    Get over yourself.

  12. Gary Walker  May 25, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Israel never wants peace. And there never was a Moses, but even if you believe the Bible, it was the Bible god who conducted a holicaust when he killed the first born of every Egyptian. Baby killer god.

    When Nuttyyahoo last visited his satrap, Obama, he gave him a copy of the book of Esther. It is all fiction, but it is a playbook for genocide. Obama and our esteemed congress are all pixillated with war for no reason but to please our masters in Tel Aviv.

    Viva Palestina,

  13. Thomas Carroll  May 25, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I’m sure I am not the only goyim/cattle ready to stampede over the murdering, lying, pedophiles they seem so comfortable being. They have told their lies so long they even believe them, but they have become and now are, an ugly people. They had more opportunities then any people on this planet to achieve greatness and chose UGLY every time, destroying every friend they had.They are not human, because they are always ready and willing to make the entire planet uninhabitable. The most baffling is American stupidity is equal to Israel’s ugliness.

  14. socialsynergyl  May 25, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Jews are getting screwed and hoodwinked like the rest of us – they, just as every other group are getting played – while they think they are the players. I watched some Israeli guy give an interview – he thinks Israel wont go to war with Iran because most of the Israeli cities are not prepared – many jews may die. I thought -you poor schmuck – you are led by a group that constantly fears a holocaust 2.0 -this is the regimes only power – the same regime has not prepared their society – yet calls for conflict they know will hurt their own people. Netanyahoo is basically setting up Israel or Jews to be slaughtered so he can claim – see I was right – remember the holocaust -look at all the dead Jews. Now, Christians and Muslims all too stupid and willing to kill each other (its not hard to get these two groups to go kill each other)-get up and kill each other to prevent another holocaust – while jews suffer in fear the world over. Jews like everyone else should learn to wake up fast – just because some folks call themselves a Jew -doesn’t make it so -I dont care if they can trace their roots back 2000 years or DNA.

    As for anti semite crap – this should be dropped – people hate people for all reasons – do we really need to create a special title for ignorance? 100 million died in WW2 – many of them Christians – is their death somehow less meaningful because it was not part of the holocaust? Do we really need to elevate one form of murder, death over another by creating a special title? Thats not human – thats not even Jewish. What difference is there if you died on a battle field, in a camp, corn field, barn – If all the Jewish people picked up arms instead of getting on trains – they would have died in fields or wherever like so many Christians did– just like then and now – its not hard to convince Christians to just go die on a battle field somewhere – thats just as much a holocaust in my mind – just a different form of cattle train.

    This is what makes netenyahoos demands of large Christian populated countries to go to war with Iran or others, so disrespectful towards life. Its what makes our leaders in the west look so pathetic when they say nothing, or worse champion the cause of death. Netanyahoo makes Jewish people look bad.

    I bet Mosses didn’t threaten the Israelites with threat of the pharaoh coming to get them every day – but netanyahoo thinks another holocaust is just around the corner and every Jew, with this on their mind may as well still be in a camp somewhere in the 40s. Thats a tragedy – at least those that died were set free – everyone else is caged – it seems forever – Nice legacy netenyahoo – the leader who keeps his own people caged with fear and convinces Christians and Muslims to kill each other. And he thinks he can bring peace -sure.

  15. Charlotte NC Bill  May 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    For the last 2,000+ yrs Talmudic Judaism has been more a semi-racially exclusive conspiracy for wealth and power than a religion….the conversion of the E. European-Turk-Mongol Khazars in 740 a.d. has proven to be a world tragedy as they got nothing but Babylonian Talmud piped into them….After the conversion I’m told that Rabbis brought them some Jewish girls so maybe they are somewhat Sephardic…but they mostly look like the Khazar terrorist invaders they are…

  16. ricohands  May 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Yep every inch OCCUPIED Palestine

  17. ricohands  May 25, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Kissinger is a European Jew

  18. ricohands  May 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    The zionists argue long and loud that “anti-semite” was the invention of Wilhelm Marr in the late 1800s and applied solely to Jews, but according to Princeton Prof. Teofilo Ruiz, the term had been used by the 16th century to refer to Muslims AND Jews of Iberia.

  19. Gary Walker  May 25, 2012 at 11:31 am

    As Gilad Atzmon put it in THE WANDERING WHO, “While in the past an anti-semite was someone who hates Jews, nowadays it is the other way around, an anti-Semite is someone the Jews hate.”

    Happy trails to you,

  20. DaveE  May 25, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Well said, Dan and Tom also. Like I’ve said before, whoever it was hundreds (or thousands) of years ago who decided to market the Jewish so-called “religion” as race, instead of an ideology, was truly a marketing “genius”. (read: great liar) Ever since, everyone who opposes that sick and evil ideology can be trashed as a “racist”.

    Fortunately, the only way they can defend their lies is by telling more lies. I hereby produce, for the Court to examine as Exhibit A, the comments of one so-called “Jason”, above.

  21. Tom Valentine  May 25, 2012 at 9:59 am

    We travelled this road before:

  22. Tom Valentine  May 25, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Very well said ,Dan. Irony—a patriarchal,tribal religion that requires a mother’s genes to determine membership.

  23. wolf  May 25, 2012 at 8:23 am

    It is indeed. Perhaps it should be spelled “anti-semantic”

  24. Dan  May 25, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Debate is a good thing, but are we talking about a distinction without a difference and being misled in differentiating between Israel and organized Jewry in America? Aren’t they effectively one and the same thing? Is there no meaningful nexus between Israel, the federal government, international banking, Hollywood, the MSM, and so on, or was it purely by chance that closely-identified Jews whose first loyalty is to Israel control them all?

    Assuming these interminable wars are being fought for Zionist hegemony over the Middle East, Central Asia, and maybe other areas, and that the global war on terror is a hoax, the fact that direct and indirect costs of these wars roughly equal the fiscal deficit means that the US is going into what many believe is inexorable ruin to satisfy the demands of greater Israel, about half of which lives in the US.

    The dollar is being debased with abandon to finance the war deficit, and it’s not unreasonable to conclude that our standard of living will be cut by half or more to serve greater Israel. Tens of millions more Americans will probably experience incalculable economic hardship as a result of these wars. The White House and Congress are bought-and-paid-for public theater that always has the same ending, which is giving greater Israel whatever it wants. Is the political actors’ guild in the US really any different from the one in Hollywood, except that over 90% of Americans think the former has really lousy actors. Maybe they don’t have enough time to memorize the scripts shoved in their faces by AIPAC, who knows?

    If readers don’t already know that JPMorgan Chase and the other Wall St banksters are connected at the hip to the Federal Reserve and US Treasury and are the operatives enabling the Fed’s counterfeiting of the dollars to buy up the debt to pay for these wars, they ought to read Jim Willie’s latest expose of the derivatives scam propping the war debt up. The point is, the criminality on Wall St only incidentally turns the criminal banksters into billionaires and has as its chief objective furtherance of greater Israel. Eric Cantor is being positioned for even bigger things. There are articles detailing who his biggest donors are which read like a who’s who of greater Israel. No surprises there, it’s right out in the open. When they say it’s racist to point out the obvious, it makes it fairly obvious they’ve got a lot to hide and we’re being had.

  25. eric  May 25, 2012 at 6:44 am

    When refering to that piece of land that was stolen in 1948 by the money changers people should refer to it as zionist occupied Palestine and not israel.

  26. Tom Valentine  May 25, 2012 at 5:39 am

    Jason, the term anti-Semitic IS a word game.

  27. Tom Valentine  May 25, 2012 at 5:37 am

    Gordon Semitic refers to language. When people “convert” do their genes change? We are all what we say we believe in order to wear a label. Since genes change continuously during life someone wanting to argue could challenge what i just said. The gene game blew beyond proportion decades ago.

  28. Tom Valentine  May 25, 2012 at 5:18 am

    JEWS ARE NOT A RACE, Therein lies the crux of all your confusion and knee jerk reactions This is a religious/philosophical divide, having zilch to do with race, and anyone intelligent enough to write a response should know that. This is why I call out “scientism” so often. Scientism twists science into agenda; hence so much race crap in the game. Alpine, Nordic and Mediterranean were the three classes of caucasoid when I learned anthropology; has that changed? Watch the long video linked above, these folks are truly articulate, but they can’t call a spade a spade in order to nail the base of the problem, which is “attitude.”

  29. Jason  May 25, 2012 at 4:31 am

    You mean the same Henry Kissinger who said if the Russian’s want to build ovens that’s their business.

    Sami, don’t try so hard.

  30. Jason  May 25, 2012 at 4:29 am

    It’s absolutely amazing how seemingly intelligent individuals play word games with the term “anti-semitic”

  31. Sami Jamil Jadallah  May 25, 2012 at 3:39 am

    Actually it was Henry Kissinger who started the “purge” and exile of “Arabists” from the State Department when he became the Secretary of State… in the believe that those “Arabists” are inherently biased against Israel and too loyal to America to serve in the State Department and National Security Council… that is why since then, hardly an “Arabists” held a key position., will all key position specially those dealing with the Middle East, with the Arab-Israeli conflict even South East Asia (Iran) are chosen from the ranks of Zionist/Israeli shops in Washington DC.. This rule is maintained whether a Republican or a Democrat in the White House.

  32. Gordon Duff  May 25, 2012 at 12:55 am

    You are saying that european jews are semites?

    I trace my family, the European Jews, to Switzerland and Vienna, 16th century.

    Nobody had ever come form the Middle East. Most of us could pass for swedes and finns.


  33. Jason  May 24, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Anti-Semites – they just don’t get it.

    How could any misconstrue your attempt to arouse hate against Jews?

    עם ישראל חי

  34. Jason  May 24, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Anti-Semites – they just don’t get it.

    How could anyone misconstrue your attempt to arouse hate against Jews?

    עם ישראל חי

  35. Gary Walker  May 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Bravo Tom, that’s what I call chutzpah. Keep up the good work.

    Viva Palestina,

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