Wholesale Treason: Why Israel Bought Congress



“Step two, “shock and awe” for Iran followed by a full scale invasion that, according to military experts directly responsible for drawing up our war plans, requires the fall of Pakistan, its “Balkanization and the military occupation of Baluchistan as a staging area.”

AIPAC, the Israel lobby used to, well, we don’t exactly know what they are “used to” but every politician in America is terrified of it for some reason, claims to have total control over the new congress.

It isn’t a “Jewish thing,” AIPAC got rid of 6 Jews who were too “pro-American” for their tastes.  The last thing it is about is the security of Israel, a regional bully, a small land of ICBMs, germ warfare labs and warehouses loaded with American munitions which they sell around the world.

Israel and its thuggish “American” lobby terrifies a lot of people, congress, journalists certainly and as Noam Chomsky continually points out, its own citizens.

There is a real threat against Israel, one they perceive but many Americans are unaware of yet.  Israel is terrified of a new 9/11 investigation.  Even Noam Chomsky, top critic of many Israeli policies, had always stopped short of debunking 9/11.  He was their last line of defense, Chomsky and Jon Stewart, pseudo-progressive “hand puppet.”

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“The explicit and declared motive of the [Afghanistan] war was to compel the Taliban to turn over to the United States, the people who they accused of having been involved in World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist acts. The Taliban…they requested evidence…and the Bush administration refused to provide any,”

“We later discovered one of the reasons why they did not bring evidence: they did not have any.”

Chomsky doesn’t come out and say “Israel did it.”  However, he does point out that the attack on Afghanistan was illegal and that there has never been a shred of proof that anyone in Afghanistan had ever been involved in 9/11 at any time, not Osama bin Laden, not the Taliban, nobody.  In fact, when it came time for America to submit proof to justify attacking Afghanistan, America began a series of subterfuges that have left the United States branded an aggressor and criminal state.

When 9/11 moves away from Afghanistan, one of the two targets Israel gave us after 9/11, with the veritable flood of secret intelligence from the Mossad guiding Bush 100%, Israel is faced with real risks.  When you look outside Afghanistan, you look at terrorist organizations long penetrated by Israeli intelligence, perhaps even under the control of Israel as with many of the groups now active in Yemen.

If this door is opened, if an honest investigation begins, Israel will quickly move from “trusted ally” to “rogue state” and “suspect number one.”  Iraq and Afghanistan have been found innocent.  9 years has found no massive underground complex such as the one the Mossad told America of in Afghanistan or the weapons labs and secret stolen nuclear weapons they “convinced” Bush and Rumsfeld to invade Iraq for.

Mossad depiction of Tora Bora

The other “job” the new congress was hired for is to destroy Iran.  With America’s military stretched to the limit, exhausted from 9 years of civil wars, occupation, and endless “wheel spinning” in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Neo-con boondoggles of all time, the new “wet behind the ears” Israeli controlled legislators are expected to fall into line, recognizing who owns them.

$1.2 billion dollars bought the new congress, laundered drug money from Afghanistan and Mexico, Federal “bail-out” tax dollars, “recycled” into buying even more bail outs but mostly money tied to Israel and tied to war.  The one issue every Tea Party member was silent on, orders from the top, was war on Iran.  This is the cost of their office, sending 400,000 troops that America doesn’t have to fight a war against an enemy 3 times larger than Iraq, one whose military wasn’t already 90% depleted as was Iraq in 2003?

Oh, they didn’t tell you that, after Gulf War I, Iraq was never able to rearm and that America spent years fighting the leftovers of an enemy it had already defeated only a few years before?  They didn’t tell you that other part, where the new troops are to come from.

Israel Gordon Duff Bag
You Can’t Make Stuff Like This Up!

We call it a “draft.”

Not only doesn’t America have a large enough army to fight in Afghanistan and keep our other obligations around the world, we are shy 250,000 men, even with every national guard and reserve unit used, all troops from Korea and Europe deployed and maybe even police and fire departments nationalized and put under federal control.

This is the military and manpower capabilities of Iran, according to the Central Intelligence Agency (2008)

  • Total Population: 65,875,224   [2008]
  • Population Available: 39,851,026   [2008]
  • Fit for Military Service: 34,344,352   [2008]
  • Reaching Military Age Annually: 1,494,322   [2008]
  • Active Military Personnel: 545,000   [2008]
  • Active Military Reserve: 350,000   [2008]
  • Active Paramilitary Units: 11,390,000   [2008]


Those 20 million “illegal aliens” living in the United States are likely to be much more popular if Israel get’s their wish.

Notwithstanding that Iran has never attacked the United States nor every threatened to attack the United States and has proven repeatedly that it has no nuclear program, Israel is demanding of that its members of congress support a war against Iran, one that doesn’t involve a single Israeli soldier, exactly as with Iraq and Afghanistan, the two other surrogate wars we are fighting for Israel.

Is Israel planning to pay the  estimated $2 trillion dollars they are asking America to spend or compensate the families of the 40,000 troops we are expected to lose?  Thus far, nearly 500,000 Americans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan are either being compensated for war related disability, military or veteran retirement and Social Security.  Are we aiming to make it an even million?


Taking the clock back to September 2001, just after the 9/11 “incident,” I use this term as far as we have proven, 9/11 may well have been some sort of mind control of mass hysteria.  Actually, this seems to be an apt description of the governments position on 9/11 or so we thought.  Now I am not so sure what the government really thinks.  This is how Wired magazine reported it then:

When the terrorists who commandeered the four airplanes in the Sept. 11 attacks were identified, their faces appeared in news publications all over the world.

President Bush has said he has evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks, so it would seem obvious that the FBI would include him and other suspects on its 10 most wanted fugitives Web page.

Think again.

Bin Laden is listed, but only for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. There is no mention of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing or the attacks on the USS Cole in October 2000, both of which he is widely believed to have orchestrated. And forget about Sept. 11.

The reason? Fugitives on the list must be formally charged with a crime, and bin Laden is still only a suspect in the recent attacks in New York City and Washington.

“There’s going to be a considerable amount of time before anyone associated with the attacks is actually charged,” said Rex Tomb, who is head of the FBI’s chief fugitive publicity unit and helps decide which fugitives appear on the list. “To be charged with a crime, this means we have found evidence to confirm our suspicions, and a prosecutor has said we will pursue this case in court.”

Larry C. Johnson, a former CIA officer who was deputy director of the U.S. State Department Office of Counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993, said in a Sept. 12 interview conducted by Frontline that there is no concrete proof that bin Laden is responsible for the USS Cole and the 1993 WTC attacks, but bin Laden celebrates those attacks and associates himself with people who are responsible for it.

President Bush promises to reveal evidence linking bin Laden to the suicide hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The Wall Street Journal’s Washington Blog lays out a case for how far out of control the demand for a new 9/11 investigation has gone.  With folks like Jon Stewart still referring to those who want the truth as “lunatics,” even though, in a recent poll by the Herald Sun of Australia (10,000 responses) 77% of citizens there believe 9/11 was an “inside job.”  That’s right, not a 200 phone call sampling, 10,000 responses and nearly 8 out of 10 in agreement.

Does Jon Stewart know what the 9/11 Commission members themselves said?  Perhaps he should learn:

9/11 Commissioners:

  • And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – recently said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”

Additionally, the Washington Blog has a few members of congress that are, according to Stewart, “lunatics.”  Check the list carefully, it will be surprisingly bipartisan:

  • Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job

To this list, we can go on and on, top intelligence officials, top military leaders, diplomats, even former FBI director Louis Freeh called the 9/11 investigation a coverup:

“No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a ‘new’ commission to investigate.”


Hundreds of thousands of Americans received emails last week claiming a “false flag” nuclear attack on the United States had been predicted on the network cartoon show, The Simpsons. Emails blaming the “Illuminati” and including links to a video viewed over 200,000 times in a few days, were included.  Terrorism and nuclear holocaust had become humor but something more.  Warnings of “false flag” attacks, orchestrated by Israel, to push the US into war with Iran had moved from “fringe” internet sites to corporate intelligence reports.  Rumors began spreading not through chatrooms but through military and law enforcement circles.

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This humorous depiction, released in a video that quickly went viral, released on all the “right” email lists, through the Tea Party, “Birther” and “Islamophobia” groups, had a purpose other than to inform and entertain.  Real warnings about “false flag” attacks had gotten “too close to home” and needed to be discredited.  Tying space aliens or the “Illuminati” to them is an attempt to poison the message, using “spin” to push the views of what is likely a majority of Americans into an area that can be contained, under the label of “fringe” or “conspiracy theory.”

Clever people were trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube.

This is the job of the new congress also, to head off any investigation, financial crimes, espionage, illegal foreign influence and, especially, 9/11.

Step one, kill any possibility of a new investigation that will permanently damage the relationship between the United States and Israel.

“Step two, “shock and awe” for Iran followed by a full scale invasion that, according to military experts directly responsible for drawing up our war plans, requires the fall of Pakistan, its “Balkanization and the military occupation of Baluchistan as a staging area.”


  1. Adolph Hitler says:

    “The more I debated with them the more familiar I became with their argumentative tactics. At the outset they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents, but when they got so entangled that they could not find a way out they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons. Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion. They would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these, then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature from the original theme. If you faced them with this point they would escape again, and you could not bring them to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these apostles one’s hand grasped only jelly and slime which slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards. If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The Jew would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday’s defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct. Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more – the abundance of their verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods. I gradually came to hate them.”

  2. “I think the technical term for this is “chutzpah deluxe”.”

    The non-technical term is: “The Jew is the Great Master of Lies.”

    What shameless liars. If not that, they’re hallucinating.


  3. Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:

    ‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’

    And I ‘confirm’ her claim to be 100% pure bullsh*t.

    Holocaust = the new state religion.


  4. “in France they are maniac of it as soon as you write a word which does not respect the “six millions story”-.”

    Do they go also go “maniac” in response to those who question the existence of God? Are there laws that punish those that question or deny His existence?

    How tragic and scary to see this Pavlovian response from the “believers” thanks to years of non-stop holocaust propaganda. A mere cursory examination of revisionist historian’s material instantly raises doubts (at least those of us that are open-minded) and questions the validity of the outrageous and fantastic “eyewitness” testimonies from Jews hell-bent on revenge and receiving reparation$ from a defeated Germany.


  5. “In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

    Why? Maybe it’s because you made the story up, you lying, cunning WEASEL!


  6. Graig,

    Without getting into lengthy comment, I have experience with Mr. W’s global policy. It was simple, “If everyone has a gun pointed at each other, the world would be safer place.” He played this game with everyone, arm sales to anyone who had money. I knew one christian manager who attended church every Sunday, however during the week his time was spent passing weapons technology to countries and breaking US Export Laws. I am not certain why he attended church every week, maybe you know? Is this why you like W?

  7. Regarding the comment in the article below, Canada’s Prime Minister refused to involve them in the Iraq war because there was not enough evidence that Saddam had WMDs.

    “The explicit and declared motive of the [Afghanistan] war was to compel the Taliban to turn over to the United States, the people who they accused of having been involved in World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist acts. The Taliban…they requested evidence…and the Bush administration refused to provide any,”

    “We later discovered one of the reasons why they did not bring evidence: they did not have any.”

  8. what is (54) year that begins (began as it were) on Tuesday? Year 54 doesn’t make sense without some reference point.

  9. Regarding the USA and China, using the GDP of both countries as of October 2010 (provided by the IMF), if the USA’s GDP only grows by 2% every year for the next five year, which is the likely situation, then China will have a larger GDP than the USA in 2015. China’s projected GDP numbers have been taken from those used by the IMF.

    USA China
    2010 14,624 billion 10,084 billion
    2011 14,916 ” 11,195 ”
    2012 15,214 ” 12,425 ”
    2013 15,519 ” 13,806 ”
    2014 15,829 ” 15,369 ”
    2015 16,145 ” 17,120 ”

    So this is why Israel is squealing about Iran.

    China is chums with Iran and this will change the game in the Middle East after China becomes the world’s largest economy in 2015.

  10. Fran, After reading what you and your husband have been through I am stunned that any of your comments would be erased, especially here. I do hope you believe that I never intended to offend you. Please keep posting comments and whatever falling out you had with VT would have to pale in comparison to all the reasons you should remain active here. I wish you and your husband all the best.

  11. If US person is caught in some outer areas (West), they won’t return. All stated above is true, spent some time in this country. It’s not what most people think.

  12. Penumbra, the more interesting; and disturbing article is from the American Security Council post above. Japan’s economic plight today reminds me of Japan just prior to WWII. Roosevelt provoked Japan, we know what happened.

    Now, “the shadow government in the US” provokes Iran and Syria…

    Yukiya Amano, director-general of IAEA, is pressured by “the shadow govt.” to do “their” bidding. Japan, the “victim” (WWII-Hiroshima), becomes the “victimizer” (WWIII-the planet). Another pattern. Again, the shadow govt.’s hands not directly bloody; but essentially the perps. Without intervention, this won’t end well.

    The hubris of Israel is beyond belief, Israel not being a party to the non-proliferation treaty; and, the U.S. and Israel have no treaty whatsoever. Joe Cortina’s analysis may be the least damaging for all concerned. This is why I go into the woods….

  13. Penumbra, this is a very good post Michael Leon put together; but should dispense a prozac cocktail for the after-effect! Tho, I’m aware of what was discussed by the narrator; the message really coalesced.

    My concern about Japan, from the links I posted, is the US is following Japan…stimulus, deficits with NO POSITIVE RESULTS TO DATE…yield curves mirror each other…

  14. Equalizer,

    I believe in 2006, the Chinese president invited all African leaders to Beijing. Think resources then you’ll observe future problems. I can’t talk about Africa or Japan, sorry.

  15. OS, quite a while ago someone posted a lenthy explanation about the “pay-out” as you discussed. It wasn’t a “regular” poster…but mimicked what you stated. I think it was from an out-lying area of China.

  16. OS, several months ago I read that Japan was establishing a military (naval) base in South Africa? Is that correct? What are the constraints on Japan militarily now?

    “Many don’t know person is agent,”…at this point, everyone’s an agent! BEWARE! It depends. I have no opinion on that. I don’t know…all are good answers!

  17. One step further, why Chinese educated (25-35) dislike the Japanese, because when they start businesses in China they are successful. The Chinese educated (25-35) dislike the fact that younger Japanese professionals can make this achievement in China. However, these are two different systems; the Japanese income is more distributed, whereas the Chinese income is not. In China “Head of companies” owned by the government, can earn $100,000 dollars or more per year, while other workers earn about $12-14,000 regardless of position and education. If the Chinese company does well, it’s considered only the achievement of “Head of company”, who can receive an increase in wages. It’s considered an insult for other workers to ask the company head for an increase in wages. Here’s how it works, the “Party” government officials appoint family members as “Heads of companies” and this creates a class amongst itself and members, all others considered workers of the state (of no significance). So the “Party” must promote hate toward Japan, when it fact their creating the problem. The average educated Chinese person (25-35) likes the United States, but the “Party” hates the US, because they wish to protect their system that penalizes the working class (non-government or relative).

    A growing conflict in Middle East is beneficial to the growing conflict in West. The difference in decisions and outcome is determined by an occupied United States.

    Sorry for drifting, but it’s related.

  18. The passing of technology is sometimes indirect, and not obvious. And often through smaller companies using technology of similar nature, but promoting extreme applications. Reference Syria.

    Regarding Asia,
    There’s growing conflict between Korea, China, and Japan (new conflict), and not necessarily historical. The new conflict between China and Japan is age group of 25-35 (Chinese) educated. The older understand Japanese companies are necessary for economic growth. The younger Chinese group tends to monitor Japan closely, especially military growth and activity thereof. If you have experience in China, you understand that back N. Korea, and want US out of South, and have songs about this heard at military bases. The other interest is Taiwan, its common for US people working in China to be questioned by agents with regards to Taiwan. Many don’t know person is agent, and collecting consensus with regards to US opinion and China’s interest in Taiwan. Questions, you don’t answer or give opinion especially outside of major cities.

    What you won’t hear in the US, is the fighting between Chinese and Japanese University Students in China. It’s quite extreme at times.

  19. AV/btw, I don’t blame you for being mad if your comments are being deleted. You didn’t say anything that warranted expulsion and you do deserve to be heard. I’m sorry and I hope management reconsiders its policy. I don’t mind a hall monitor for offensive content but censorship is way wrong.

  20. Like the terrorism events, since they plan them they know about them in advance. They planned the financial meltdown so they have ample opportunity to accumulate the gold. Israel? Patagonia, The city of London???———where ever they feel secure. Not in the USA at the moment.


  21. “…But the Japanese Gov’t doesn’t like that, and they have been intervening to weaken the yen, but that won’t work, folks. The Markets decide a currency’s value, not a Gov’t!”

    Actually they don’t EQ. For a very good primer on how monopolistic fiat economics works, see the recent VT article “QE-1, QE-2 Value Wealth Labor Property and Assets Theft Deception” and watch the embedded video.

    There is no such thing as “the free market” and has not been since well before anyone alive today was born, if ever actually. It’s just a mantra we were raised to believe in through constant media reinforced repetition.

  22. AV/btw, First of all, believe me, I am not your adversary. I did not insult you or imply anything derogatory about you or other vets. I certainly never said vets don’t belong here or that anything here is beyond their grasp. I’m not your enemy. If it were up to me there would never have been a single used and abused vet to begin with, and I feel very deeply for anyone who realizes they were lied to and betrayed by their own country, particularly vets. I wish every soldier would resign en masse until the US gets itself righted again because I don’t want anything to happen to anymore of you. OK? I sense how much pain you feel and I wasn’t being dismissive or telling you to go elsewhere. I just was trying to say that if someone is in search of tenderness and understanding, particularly if they have opinions or thoughts that deviate from the norm here, you may not get a sympathetic response. In fact, I felt for Craig when I read your response to him.

  23. And from Chuck Butler’s EverBank World Markets, “Review & Focus”; November 01, 2010; under “Currency Manipulators” (3rd paragraph): …”and after decades, the yen is finally strong. But the Japanese Gov’t doesn’t like that, and they have been intervening to weaken the yen, but that won’t work, folks. The Markets decide a currency’s value, not a Gov’t!”

    Now google Smoot-Hawley Trade Act…protectionism….depths of Great Depression…

    Michael, do you think Rita’s friends could get out the ougee (sp?) board and conjure up some “good spirits” for a change?

    The “evil spirits” seem to be giving that “Nuclear Chief” an itch.

  24. Yeah, and as Gordon exposed they wanted to attack Syria because elite mossad intell said Saddam sent one of his South African nukes in an ambulance to Syria when it was safe at home in israhell all along.

    It’s amazing how they know all these crimes in advance and FBI,NSA,CIA,BTAF,and the Secret Service is going to be outsourced to Rita Katz, one “smart” jew!!!!!!!!!!!


  25. I didn’t, btw. I just pointed out that Gordon’s essays are generally related to political news or issues. Nobody told you to go anywhere, just that the comments on those topics don’t always generate polite responses. If someone is the “wounded animal” you spoke of earlier, in need of understanding and support, a political opinion forum does tend to get rough and tumble. And speaking of support and understanding, does Craig not deserve the same because he’s not a vet? Stop trying to create a tempest in a teapot.

  26. The overwhelming evidence shows that the Pentagon was hit by a large plane. I have done an extensive investigation on this and obviously you have not. The absurd notion that a plane did not hit the Pentagon is a diversion by the Mossad and Zionist to put the blame on the US government and not the Mossad. I could list here my extensive links to show you how silly your comments are but I don’t have the time.

    As the insightful Micheal Rivero stated that hundreds of people saw the plane headed to the Pentagon but nobody saw it leave.

    A lot of people saw it flying extremely low to the ground at the Pentagon and numerous people saw it hit the Pentagon.

    Also flight control people watched the plane at the Pentagon on radar screens and none of them reported it leaving.

    Nobody reported seeing a missile streaking through the sky at the Pentagon.

    Have you seen the photographs of the wreckage?

    If your suggesting they used a missile, that’s would have been a really dumb plan by the masterminds of the deranged event.

    Don’t be fooled by the Zionists.

  27. Michael, you forgot Syria…

    “U.N. Nuclear Chief Sets Sights On Syria” by Jay Solomon in the “Wall Street Journal” today November 10, 2010; orginally viewed on the “American Security Council” Foundation’s website. will try to post the link as a response.

  28. We need a military tribunal to short circuit the zionist network. Some will no doubt die in the process, but we are in a war so that has to be expected. Israel attacked the USA on 911 and has effected a coup by internal hijack of the government, even though most sheeple do not realize it.


  29. Yep, they pull the plug on you as soon as they are done with you and even turn up the skillet heat before they are done to keep you dancing furiously to their tune.


  30. Thanks Miller,

    I think its too bad that a veterans site isn’t more directly related to directly “helping veterans”. Unfortunately today, in the final analysis there is no greater help the veterans need than to end these illegal wars for israel and our political system is upside down due to israel’s takeover of the USA; which is the main and most important topic Gordon is focusing on.

    If you were an about to be veteran and you legs were about to be blown off it would be clear to any of us.


  31. Notice not one jewish American has come on this site to disavow the ISRAEL,
    AIPAC AND DEFAMATION TRICK ON THE USA AND ITS CITIZENS which is the idea of jews controlling the USA, including the USA Armed Forces and fighting and paying for Israel’s wars of aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon and Iran.


  32. Mike, My comments were actually in response to a couple left by “btw” which seem to have since been deleted. He/she took issue with non-veterans in this forum “taking over” and not treating certain veterans respectfully (it was after Craig told someone their comment was too long and was therefore rude to post). Btw stated that vets, many whom are healing or fragile, needed an outlet to express their opinions, thoughts or feelings without being insulted or clobbered over the head. I agree with that, but I would extend the same sentiment to include everyone. When I said that this site seems to lean more toward political than therapeutic, I wasn’t referring to Veteran’s Today in general, I meant the Gordon Duff portion of it. Gordon’s writings appear on many non-Veteran related websites and his topics usually transcend vet specific issues. I didn’t mean to imply to “btw” that I don’t acknowledge the importance of outlets geared toward veteran concerns. There are headings for such areas listed here on the VT main page.
    I agree with you on women in combat. I’m female and I wouldn’t want to think my back was being protected by other females. JUST KIDDING LADIES!!

  33. Gordon, You are a breath of fresh air!

    I read your work everyday! Thank you! I look forward to the works of Jeff Gates (where is he these days?), Debbie Menon is also cutting edge. One can detect when the story is over the target, and too close to Tel Aviv, all the shills and spinners fill the comments area.

    I love reading the comments at times, but you have one by the name of Craig Pepe who will post absolute drivel over and over, mostly speaking to himself, cluttering up a great run of on the money comments. Out of 316 comments on one story, about 40 are one liners from Craig! Craig if you are reading this, wait until you have something on topic to add, AND PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO ME!

  34. Right-O , TJ,

    The jew/israel shills are frustrated here while real Americans find a breath of fresh air and are increasing.

    Commenting at the Weakly Non-Standard ( Bill Kristol—- or is that Alfred E. Neumann, of Mad Magazine fame) is like shooting the proverbial fish is a goldfish bowl. The moderators (censor deleters) make it easy pickings and gives one (a shill) a sense of SUPREMACY.



  35. PBS has a zio-filter??????????? Now that explains it!!!!!!! And their defamatory take on Henry Ford which most people don’t notice because they don’t know anything about Henry in the first place.


  36. TJ,

    I’m not much of an expert on the movie as I have not been enamored with jewish Foolywood for quite a long time. I haven’t taken any of their B.S. seriously so I have never watched that closely after deciding it was mostly garbage of twenty-five years ago.

    That puts me out of sync with most Americans but garbage is garbage. I only have to see a little basic garbage to conclude its all garbage.

    I’ll do a little checking. I think you’re right, they didn’t wear masks but did in the movie. You don’t have to know much on a subject to write a Foolywood script. The USA government will give you access and a financial green light if you are promoting their line——war is fun——, like video games, drug and alcohol crazed parties, and plenty of lot of hot, loose chicks!


  37. Gordon, Was you friend present when Cap Weinberger (“cap”, sounds like a cool “regular” guy!!!????doesn’t it?) said “let’s go kill some ‘rag heads'” (did he really mean sand-N_ggers?) (for Israel).

    Did your friend leave that scene out of the script or was it pulled by his bosses like the “plantation scene” in the original release of Apocalypse Now” because it revealed realities the producers and their controllers did not want to make known?

    I’m not sure we know the jewish role in Viet Nam, including their relation to the “plantation scene” which was orginally censored.
    We didn’t want Americans to realize we were really fighting for European (jewish?)plantation owners now , did we?

    What was the jewish connection to the French O.A.S. in Viet Nam, Algeria and the JFK assassination, if any????





  39. Good WHORES there I’m sure. The best American money can buy!
    OD NJ.


  40. What Duff writes is about Veterans you moronic idiot. Anything going with American Veterans is inseparable from anything happening in American.




  41. “America fights Israeli wars. Americans die for Israel! Producing disabled veterans!!! Basically screwing up young men and women for the rest of their lives.”


  42. Their greatest talent is doing things civilized human beings would never do or think anyone else would do. It’s called amorality and it a characteristic of a socio/psychopath.


  43. Scott, I agree with you but add:

    Most still don’t know who they are fighting for. We can’t expect a kid to understand that especially in the face of the jew controlled mass media in America.


  44. Miller,

    Anyone who doesn’t recognize the inseparability of “veterans issues” and American civilian issues in general is not a real American in my opinion. Men and women who fight in the name of the USA are our most important. Serving in uniform and fighting wars is no joke.

    Israel would have you believe it is just another job.


    Women should not be in (or near) combat situations. That is a goddamned jew idea from israhell. Like women working in jewish strip joints anywhere in the world, including Larry Silverstein’s Runway 69. No real wants his daughter, sister wife or mother stripping or whoring for jewish profit. By the way, the “russian” mafia is jewish , just like the American” mafia.


  45. Straight out of Avigdor Lieberman’s Foreign Ministry: a new Internet Fighting Team! Israeli students and demobilized soldiers get paid to pretend they are just regular folks and leave pro-Israel comments on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and other sites. The effort is meant to fight the “well-oiled machine” of “pro-Palestinian websites, with huge budgets… with content from the Hamas news agency.” The approach was test-marketed during Israel’s assault on Gaza, and by groups like Give Israel Your United Support, a controversial effort to use instant-access technology to crowd-source Israel advocates to fill in flash polls or vote up key articles on social networking sites.

  46. The widespread use of the “megaphone” software allows perhaps 100,000 Jews to be alerted the moment an internet public opinion poll relating to Israel is proposed. Inventors of the “megaphone” desktop tool clearly say that a purpose of the technology is to skew poll results.

    Israeli hires Internet soldiers
    18th July 2009
    Will the responders who are hired for this also present themselves as “ordinary net-surfers”?

    “Of course,” says Shturman. “Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the policy-explanation department of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the Foreign Ministry developed.”

  47. Da Vinci Code is fiction, Michael. And the Merovingian cabal upon which it is based has nothing to do with Jesus having offspring but everything to do with pagan occultism and apostacy. It is the wellspring of Frankish Luciferianism of which noted “Jews” are also adherents.

    Little wonder that a myth of divine lineage should be a spurious legacy perpetuated in pop culture. Just another avenue of the cabal to denigrate true Christianity, in their generational program to establish the NWO, by debasing the divinity of Jesus.

    You wont find truth down that path, I assure you.

  48. I made numerous trips to Klagenfurt, G, but never made it to Graz. Did manage Lubljana and was in both Budapest and Szeged back in 96. The drive from Brussels to Southern Austria down through Bavaria and via Salzburg is scenery I hope one day to see again. *sigh*

    Ah, the memories.

  49. Absolutely not to take away anything from the articles on
    the site ,
    some of your comments/response are a definite
    positive addendum/supplement to the material being covered.
    At the same time your brief remarks are appreciated as well!!

  50. Aznar was always a stooge for Israel. If 911 ever gets its fair hearing you can bet re-examination of the Madrid train bombing will be soon to follow and Aznar’s likely collusion will spell the end of his days.

  51. a non-Jewish lobby group launched by former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar – arrives in Washington to promote its mission that Israel has a ‘right to exist as a normal country’.

  52. They CAN’T, Mike. It’s a psychological hang-up (idiosyncrasy) that has gotten them in trouble in Europe per saeculae saeculorum. And they’re not a bit sorry for the difficulties pushed on the goyim (us the pigs), their Arab cousins and the rest of the world today; for this, they have selective ADD.

  53. Thanks Gordon for your website. It’s nice to know there are few ppl with real common sense to the truth left on earth. Sometimes I really wonder why the world has allowed so much corrupt leaders to ruin the world. But they say, when they society becomes corrupt and/or disillusioned and careless, then you allow corrupt ppl to control over you. And that seems to be the case with our leaders in this country. We can only blame other countries’ corruption when those who control them are the bigger problem..aka the bigger powers such as US and terrorist state of Israel. But one thing to note, that the corrupts are always worried and looking over their shoulder ..afraid that someone else would do the same to them as they are doing to others. And God will always do justice, if not in this life, definitely in the hereafter.

    I pray for the good and honest ppl of the world of all backgrounds to come together and be stronger to overthrow the corrupt voices and powers in the world.

  54. I have friends, family in Vienna. I am there at least once a year for a few days. I could dig out those photos as well. I go thru Vienna, either on the way to Hungary…more relatives…or heading south to Graz. Graz is an interesting town. There was a fortress in town…in a tall peak but Napoleon blew the thing up. Crossing from Graz into Hungary…had to drive to Villany to meet business associates…nasty drive. One night, heading up toward Budapest…had a flat just turning onto the motorway for Vienna. Changing a tire on my POS Peugeot…pitch black…car tilted over 20 degrees….
    I had not picked up forints and …as usual…no gas…
    Tried to get off the hiway in baumgarted..nothing open there..cruised into vienna..the shell station right on the river…only place open for 50 miles.
    i took a penthouse at the ring road great western across from the US consulate…and chilled out
    this was…october?

  55. Does anyone have the link for “message board disruption” tactics? I ask because if one examines the habits of several posters herein, especially those posting with single sentences or with personally directed diversions, I believe a pattern of intent will emerge.

  56. “They control 40% of the world’s money.”This is why Gordon we must end the fractional reserve system of banking.Woodrow Wilson created a monster when he allowed the Federal Reserve in 1913, own and create the US $.It is not enough to reveal the treachery of 911.People will really pay attention when they how they are being robbed blind. http://secretofoz.com/

  57. Gordon,

    You should take a trip to Vienna when you have time, interesting things to see and people to meet. The old city…
    Also another good location is Padua Italy.

  58. I guess you won’t be watching tonight’s Matt Lauer interview either. What’s with that creepily oedipal story about Barbara’s fetus in the jar that she showed him as a teenager? I have to confess wondering if it was “their’s”, but I’m sure that’s just me projecting how depraved I consider that family. Unless there’s sodium pentothal involved, Bush has nothing to say worth listening to.

  59. Who cares if someone is not a veteran. Lets face it veterans screwed up. They bought the whole patriotism lie and went to do the jews dirty work. Being proud of being a bagman for jews is pathetic. I have respect for veterans who are willing to admit they bought the lie but I have more respect for aware non veterans who never fell for it.

    I read this sight simply because its one of the few sites that tells the truth about jews.

  60. You are annoying Craig why don’t you mind your own business and skip the long posts. I for one do not need your help in managing my time. As a matter of fact reading the same thing after everyones message is wasting my time.

  61. I don’t need a long post to sum up my thoughts on him. He’s a deranged sociopath and mass murderer as are all who serve and support him and his ilk.

  62. Texe Marrs wrote on his website that Obama is not listening to his advisors. Texe Marrs mentioned also how other presidents who listened to the Jewish lobby in the beginning of their career like Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Bush Sr got into to trouble and only stayed on term or didn’t finish the second term in office when later they refused to go along. It seems like many of the bad press or outrageous scandals about these leaders are mostly fabricated or blown out of proportion to destabilize them in the eyes of the public. And it seems all the presidents are not bad as what the media says about them.

  63. No I didn’t. I am not a Christian. My extensive research over the years shows that there is a higher power, a creative force. Christians might not be too happy with me when I tell them I have evidence that reincarnation is real. No I didn’t have martinis for breakfast. Reincarnation was removed from the Bible. If there wasn’t reincarnation why the heck would souls be sent down to this dump called earth?

    To make it real simple, while on earth souls have to realize they’re spiritual beings, get rid of their earthly desires and perfect their souls. A very difficult task that typically takes many lives to complete.

    Karma is very powerful. Treat people how you would like to be treated.

    Perhaps not the right website for this topic.

  64. Dave , I heard out of israhell something to the effect that “one jewish finger nail is worth more than ten A-rabs” (or something like that). Does that have any bearing on all this arithetic???????




  66. “our” idiot leaders in Congress were told a real investigation of JFK would be aginst “NATIONAL SECURITY” “INTERESTS”.



  67. Michael
    How did I end up with a crew here that wouldn’t be allowed any place else? I have tossed a few people off the site, the majority being neocon shills, JDL. We also have total assholes who come on here to have their temper tantrums.
    I have a delete button which simply eliminates them.
    I watch a few…total morons…to be clever. One gets ahold of his friends to post…send emails.
    They end up reading and stop being his friend.
    Its classic.
    I laugh my ass off.

  68. I’m at loss with all the references to Jewish mind control nonsense like the Simpsons and all jewish Foolywood. I haven’t had my daily mind control programing dosage for years. Got to play catch up with you sheeple. (no offense —everybody is taking their TV and silver screen meds but me and a few others).

    My (former) F-14 Thomcat, (real) Topgun buddy says the whole movie was phony and he was flying in the vacinity while it was being filmed. Oscar Shindler’s widow said the man in the movie was nothing like her husband.


  69. The highest honor for Gordon; much higher in real value than anything he probably imagined for himself. He has accepted the calling of real leadership.


  70. WOW! Craig!!! Go back and read Gordon’s old posts. They are no less relevant today than they were on the days he posted them. I have challenged my “died in the wool” Republican buddy to refute any thing Gordon has said and my friend is stupified.

    Thanks God my friend is an honest Catholic Christian and he is beggining to wake up. He just voted for his first non-Republican senator who might help to shake up the Senate a little.



  71. Gordon, If the DaVinci Code theory is correct, we all might be surprise by who is a decendent of JC.

    Chaney & Obama and Elen Degenneres??? Your’s Truly??? (Me). WHO REALLY KNOWS?????


  72. ……the kool-aid drinkers need to understand the
    situation & reality we are in,

    ….the gradually becoming aware….the gradually understanding
    what is really going on…..the beginning to wake up in America………
    …..the beginning to become totally disillusioned with the Elections …
    the time for all that is about EXPIRED!!

  73. Sorry fo da typo: “Larry seems to think that is most American (sheeple)”

    correction: “Larry seems to think that IF most American (sheeple)”


  74. TJ , WE are always right about the Dick. He has shown his real colors. New readers may not realize it but we have already looked behind the curtain at the hidden hand.

    As someone hinted here, perhaps the real meaning of antisemitism has to do with hatred of people who are semi-truthful and semi-sincere. Larry has has said clearly, that the truth is a highly malleable thing. (For those not familiar with metals, malleable refers to the plasticity of metals).

    Larry seems to think that is most American (sheeple) do not believe the jewish TRIBE do not control EVERYTHING in America, then that is the TRUTH, when in fact the sheeple just have an incorrect belief about the truth.

    LARRY SOUNDS LIKE MOSSAD-THINK to me. By way of decpetion , we do war.


  75. What other reason is there for “surveillance”? (other than to take advantage of other people).


  76. Larry, It’s going to take a lot more than that to gain any credibility here. Personally, after all the B.S. I have heard from you here, I will never take any stock in your sincerity, even when making semi-sane statements.


  77. John , You’re right! How twisted can it get ??? Bush or Sharon, MEN OF PEACE????? TO BUSH’S CREDIT, I THINK HE HAD LESS OF A GRASP OF WHAT HE WAS REALLY DOING , COMPARED TO SHARON.


  78. Craig, Things are going well today thanks to TRUTH TELLERS like GORDON DUFF who have the balls to speak the truth no matter what what. He reminds me of Jesus Christ when he over turned the tables of the money changers in the temple!


  79. Craig, you are misinformed in my opinion. Antisemites are people the jews hate (because they cannot control them) not people who hate jews.


  80. I am not trying to be flippant

    my goals are to spread the gospel of Jesus CHrist, and try to make every human being on the planet feel as happy and fulfilled as possible

  81. Sounds like a correct statement to me. A more relevant statement is that people who consider themselves “jewish” in America are thrilled that their TRIBE controls the entire USA, including the thoughts of the sheeple and “intelligensia” who remain silent about what the jews are doing to this country with their MONKEY BUSINESS.


  82. Craig, you need some additional education and research, assuming you are not trying to be flippant. You are correct as I said, in that the talking heads on the jewish mass media would find a better job fit cleaning toilets (not that cleaning toilets is not honorable work), but you are lost in the woods on Bush and Obama.


  83. Bush just said he was “blindsided by the economy” —–how true. A man who was never qualified to be POTUS would of course be blindsided by the the economy. Was he blind sided by 911 or was he an accomplice at some level.

    In either case, he was a failure. Obama was no better and for the same reasons. Obama seems to think becoming POTUS was just a move up to the best paying job he ever had. He and Shrub Bush just can’t get their arms around the fact they were never qualified by their experience and education to be POTUS.

    One final thing they have in common is the served the same masters, THE TRIBE.

    When I ask Black American friends why he hasn’t ended the war, they have trouble looking me in the eye and have no answer. We all know he couldn’t change the economy but he could have ended the war and has done nothing but talk.


  84. ARE YOU REFERRING TO NuttyYuHu? He is an amoral sociopath, warmonger and a curse to the jewish people of the world.


  85. Gordon, Just when I thought you had said it all! “In times of universal deceit
    telling the truth is a revolutionary act” (Eric Blair/George Orwell)

    The sheeple of America are clueless but the Americans who realize who is going on and remain silent are SOULLESS (including Jewish Americans who remain silent about their Tribal Leaders).

    If you are a “Jewish” American and you want your soul back you must shut down AIPAC and the DEFAMATION LEAGUE and all the rest of you tribal enterprises.

    Thanks Gordon!!!!, for the breath of fresh air, THE TRUTH! ,


  86. jewish people have teh option to become CHristians always, and if they do, then they will receive eternal life

    the bible in the book of revealtion also speaks about an additional 144,000 jewish people representing the 12 tribes of Israel that also make it to heaven, the apostle Paul uses the word “remnant”

  87. G, it seems the response formatting for this article has come undone. My response above should have appeared as a sub-post to Craig’s comment. Instead it and the posts above it all now appear as separate entries.

    Is someone fidgeting with the formatting?

    weird things happen when you discuss topics like this,

    if you cant handle things like that, then you have no business being here

  88. This is a very good thought, reflecting back on our frame of mind as soldiers in our early 20s in Vietnam beyond the tiring ‘Nam talk, and considering how it affects our thinking today. I went to work immediately in NYC, commuting every day on the LIRR with guys I’d known my whole life or were representative of the ones I grew up with, but secretly loathed the petty, shallow materialism which I’d previously admired.

  89. Are we going to see a new bill in congress making it a hate crime to question Israeli assaults on human rights?

  90. Penumbra, you sound like a very knowledgable person, particualrly with regard to topics such as lets say “jewry”

    I would like to ask you what is your opinion of Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

    now normally I do not like to read LONG posts, but in this case I wouldnt mind reading a long post about your opinion, since you have earned some of my respect as far as your knowledge

  91. 43rd president of the United States, George Walker Bush 2000-2008 or technically 2001-2009 is my favorite U.S preisdent out of all of them

    I like President Obama, too

  92. “… except GOD only. I believe the Temples, Mosques, Churches, and Shrines are for the people who still need to learn the lessons

    well ya know what I am?

    I am a CHristian

    I believe in Jesus Christ

    The lamb of God

    who takes away the sins of the world

    He shed his blood so that all mans sins can be forgiven and they can have life everlasting

  93. Come on now your beloved former president George W. Bush said Ariel Sharon was a “man of peace”, now what don’t you understamd about that?

  94. It looks like Lieberman has been “leaning” on Sen. Graham or the Senator lost his marbles. The Media quoted him as stating we should have a nuclear preemptive strike on Iran. Israel has been pushing every “wish” on the list, having already stated in Jewish newspapers that with the Republicans back in power they are on top again.

  95. that’s fer sure that parrot ignaimbecil who was parachuted in from somewhere else…
    mealymouthed as the rest of them… purest riffraff white trash… the two party charade.
    Oh , we couldn’t elect the third party no, why we’ve never done that b/4… no just
    couldn’t fer heaven’s sakes… why that would be CHANGE… yikes !!!! no couldn’t have
    that.. whaaaa….

  96. G, it seems the response formatting for this article has come undone. My response above should have appeared as a sub-post to Craig’s comment. Instead it and the posts above it all now appear as separate entries.

    Is someone fidgeting with the formatting?

  97. Then you should, no doubt, be amongst the many with no respect for W (and his handlers), who escalated the use of public scare rhetoric to new heights in order to rally the support of the disinformed masses to embrace the pre-written agenda of permanent war against weaker nations.

    Or perhaps you do have selective respect for those who use terror as a political cattle prod.

  98. If you haven’t already, check this out”

    “Murder in the Heartland” (1995) Video 1:56:44


    “According to the federal theory, to which the news media ascribed without question, the bombing in Oklahoma City, at the Alfred P. Murrah Building on April 19, 1995, was the work of American dissidents bent on a violent overthrow of the government. Congress responded by immediately enacting legislation to give the government unprecedented latitude with the invasion of individual privacy. All evidence actually points to a well planned, sophisticated government operation put into motion months earlier, with a massive cover-up controlled by the U. S. Justice Department, and carried through and beyond the “Star Chamber” charade of trials in Denver in 1997. This documentary is full of startling facts never made public by the establishment news media about the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma on April 19, 1995.”

    The following link has lots LOTS more:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01842.html

  99. WW 3 has been running for a decade and the supply store is out of human fodder i. e. po u.s.
    folk. Half a million soldiers home and too sick to fight, constant suicide, generals fed up and
    quitting… this game is over. Once the dollar falls and even if it doesn’t people are not going to go
    along with the poverty and homelessness that comes with our homeland security. Enough already, just don’t comply, turn off your t v. Demand the truth.

  100. So America is going to war with Iran, to defend IS—RA—HELL???????????? I dont think so. this would start WORLD WAR III. the bull-crap american government would get hit with NUCKS from other countries. no one would survive. BINGO WORLD DESTRUCTION, THIS INCLUDES IS—RA—HELL. ( GOD JESUS CHRIST GIVE LIFE, AND ONLY HE WILL TAKE IT AWAY ) ALL JEWS GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. ( ALL JEWS ARE TRADERS LIKE JUDA WHO SOLE JESUS CHRIST ) long live Christ the KING. All jews deserve the Devil and HELL.

  101. We’re on to them. Lets not forget that there’s more at work here than just man. We’re not running
    any thing. Israel is Rothschild and that is about world control and a culling of the population
    worldwide but their pandemic plans are not bearing fruit (or lack of fruit). We need to prepare ourselves to defy, defy, defy…. we do not have to comply unless it makes sound logic. If the government has been bought off then it has no right to govern and we can and will defy it.

    Have a Great Day!! (-:

  102. Precisely. In 1973 i as a 19 yr. old youth i visited Dachau just to the South of Munich. There i saw the gas chambers… there were four (4) of them…. Clearly the Holocaust story doesn’t fly.

  103. Khazar converts to Talmudic apostacy are neither the descendants of the original Hebrews of the land nor are they Semites in any fashion, they are Europeanized Caucasian Indo-Turks (Ashkenazim majority) and North African Berbers (Sephardim).


  104. No true Christian would condone nor coddle in any way the genocidal psychopathy and godlessness of what is effectively a majority atheistic enclave of ideological supremacists and fascists. Take a page from the Christian rulebook itself, Craig and stand with the same Christ you claim to revere and take note of his condemnation in John 8:44.

    Khazar converts to Talmudic apostacy are neither the descendants of the original Hebrews of the land nor are they Semites in any fashion, they are Europeanized Caucasian Indo-Turks (Ashkenazim majority) and North African Berbers (Sephardim). They are the very synagogue of Satan to which the Book of Revaltions refers; their own architecture belies that truth (see: Israeli Supreme Court, Masonic Symbolism) as does their generations long brutality towards the only rightful inhabitants of that land.

    Once again I urge you to stop drinking the establishment kool-aid and get informed.

  105. AIPAC is a feared entity because of the financial power it wields.Even though this lobby doesn’t contribute directly to the candidates it does have have influence on the rich and powerful who reward the political coffers of those who publicly support the goals of Israel.Those who oppose have money channeled to their opponents.

    Politics is an expensive game and big money talks.Each of the AIPAC board members contributed on an average of $70,000 each to candidates of their choosing.This grass roots group grew from a storefront operation to over 100,000 members,each wealthy in their own rights.It’s not the only game in town but all the players understand what has to be done to get elected and or re-elected.That’s politics.

    Should they have to register as representing a foreign power?probably but semantics and influence have precluded any pressure in recent times to enact that requirement.America’s peculiar type of politics is only enabled because the citizenry is too apathetic to care.We are spoiled beyond reason and too secure behind our borders.It’s only recently that we have woke up to the fact that we are not invincible and our shores can be attacked.We came close to waking up the nationalistic giant of American patriotism after 9-11.The investigations were swept under the rugs so no accurate results could surface and the pain of that terrible incident faded only to be memorialized once a year on it’s anniversary.It;’s going to take a bear of an incident to wake us truly up and I project that it will happen one way or another and we may not like the end results.


    THe good jewish people have to try to get better at differentiateing between two types of voices they will here on a place like this

    THE GOOD CHRISTIAN VOICE saying: you have tremendous unfair advantage and you have to voluntarily relinquish some of it, we are not mad at you, we are your freinds

    THE OTHER FAKE CHRISTIAN VOICES: scare tactics scare tactics vicious anti-smeitic language and all that

    and what happens is the whole thing gets manipulated and the good CHristian voices are the ones that get persecuted and get the brunt

    good CHristians and good jewish people have to wise up to that 2000 year old game, and work together

  107. yoiu should try your help everyone and not walk away from anyone in need

    but sometimes I find, you put yourslef in a predicament when you dont walk away

    so jsut as you let other people off the hook

    you have to also let yourslef off the hook for the times when you just have to walk away from someone

  108. A knowledge of Political Zionism is essential also as an authoritative illustration of what the Jew does when he is in power. Heretofore there has been Russia to illustrate this, but now there is Palestine. With every fact against them, with every traveler and observer giving them the lie direct, there are still Jewish spokesmen and poor befuddled “Gentile fronts,” as well as corrupt Gentile politicians and writers, who insist that Communism is not Jewish and that Russia is not governed by Jews. It is just this constant denial of facts, this failure to use their opportunity to be honest, that is going to be the judgment of Jewish leaders. Communism all over the world, not in Russia only, is Jewish.

    More to the present point is Palestine, where the unity of revolutionary and financial Jewry is never more clearly established. It is impossible for the most irresponsible Jewish spokesman to deny that Palestine is Jewish.* The government is Jewish, the plan of procedure is Jewish, the methods are Jewish. Palestine will do to illustrate the genius of the Jew when he comes to power.

  109. and now I am going through a phase of feeling for the jewish people, becuase they get scared when they see thing like this developing

    so the anti-israel rheotirc in this new climate that we are creating may have to be toned down just a bit

    in my opinion

    like others here have said there are many many good jewish people that we all know and have interacted with and interact with everyday

    and then there is the feeling they are being let off the hook,

    I go through that a lot

    but again go back to the Bible

    CHristians have to hold themselves to a high standard, cant hurt naybody,
    you just cannot

    you can walk away from people


    as a Christian you cannot hurt anyone

  110. I understand your point, I guess the part of your post that I zeroed in on was, “I believe all [veterans]… need a forum, especially if they have {combat] related disabilities that may affect their ability to communicate as well as they and/or society would like them to.” If you replaced “veterans” with “people” and “combat” with “fill-in-the-origin” disabilities, you have the potential for one person to relate to, identify with and maybe assist in another person’s struggle. It does make sense that veteran’s should have a place to talk shop and work through their issues with fellow veterans, but this site seems more political in nature than therapeutic. Craig has a good heart, that much I see. Take his occasional overly candid comments with a grain of salt, he usually apologizes the next day anyway.

  111. some people that see the big picture, unfortuanbtely most

    they use it to benefit themselves, for their own gain

    and the more people that do that, the more dangerous the whole thing becomes

    those in positions of advantage have to voluntarily relinquish SOME of their advantage, and trust that people are not going to be revenge – minded

    good CHristians are not revenge minded

    in the Bible GOd says “vengeance is mine”

    vengeance although sometimes people can really get to you, we as CHristains are still not to become revenge minded

    becuase when those in the positions of advntage see that, that is when they get even more persecution-minded

    so we as CHristians have to message them with the following

    -you are screwing us over badly, we know that, we forgive you, stop screwing us over so much


    and GOd Bless

  112. OOps.Sorry (Canadians always say sorry)

    I watched the video and didn`t read all of the text.
    Feel free to continue on with your lives…etc…

  113. Good you posted my link, cool.
    I want to add something.
    I found the link on Drudgereport.com ( I read everything I can ).
    Matt Drudge has a sneaky little trick of linking to articles he wants his little neocon brood to attack.

    This time it completely backfired on him and he pulled the link off his website, something I have never seen before.

    The times are a changin’ indeed…


  114. I am familiar with the patterns followed, they are NOT coincidences. The final scene of the last simpson video is telling. Most Americans are aware that their activities are surveilled in public settings. Most people, tho, would not think that “private” offices where you meet with an accountant, CPA, realtor; or other professional would be “bugged”. Here’s a “news flash”, they are.

    If you’ve had any work done in your “private” home, BEWARE! There is a very real possibility your home may be “bugged”. Too Orwellian you think? Think again.

    We are occupied. They are paranoid. They want to know who their enemies are…and remember, EVERYONE IS THEIR ENEMY.

    The room with all the screens from all the cameras…could be housed in your next door neighbors house. Think I’m paranoid? Think again. 1984. Oh, yea, a book foretelling the future…like a movie foretelling the future. Welcome to 1984.

  115. the ziofacism site has a link to a similar article, in a main stream national paper, over 1200 reader comments! – mostly very negative. i think Harper has been given his marching orders from the Illuminati puppeteers – Canada needs a new puppet to do battle with the enemy puppets

  116. It`s an amalgam Gord.
    Some of it is spot on.(WTC crash)
    Some of it is a cartoon.
    I guess we survived November 6 2010.
    I don`t really get what you mean.

  117. CBC journalist Leslie Hughes was blackballed a year or two ago as Canadian Liberal candidate for a column she wrote years earlier – writing about Otigo messaging a `don`t go to work` warning on September 11 that was previously reported in Israel`s Haaretz.
    In last year or so nothing has changed in Canuckistan – Conservative PM Harper says today he will support Israel – no matter what.
    No mention of the war crime murders on the high seas or the slaughters in Gaza. That`s considered anti-Semitic.
    He also said he will extend Canada`s mission in Afghanistan past the 2011 deadline, seemingly with no debate or consultation from parliament. (Apparently the Afghans previously wanted to kill all Canadians – because of our freedoms.)

  118. Nicole, you certainly ARE NOT STUPID. Zionists are clever, but their “secrets” are not safe; there is no honor among theives. Your detail of Jekyll Island is intriguing, the jews tend to follow “patterns”. Perhaps this is a comfort zone, or they are not original thinkers.

    …”disqualify persons they are frightened of.” Character asassination is a favorite “dirty trick” of the ADL. If this happens to you, use it to your advantage. Remember, as Nicole said, they are frightened of (you). Fear of man is a snare. This is from the bible… Putting fear into those who, most likely, are the 9/11 culprits just may snare them. Keep up the pressure!

  119. btw, I think the motley crew aspect of this site makes it a more interesting place, a true spectrum of society. I’m not a veteran either but so many of the issues discussed here affect us all significantly, Craig included. The non-veterans here also appreciate the insights and knowledge you with military backgrounds add to the topics. As we all struggle through this mess, all of our respective life experiences may inadvertently serve to help someone else. If so, that’s a good thing.

  120. Gord. Great article as usual. You have my utmost respect.
    But what’s with the last vid? The facts speak for themselves. Speaking journalisticly (sp?)- if this link was sent out to the unwashed masses, people could ridicule it for using the Simpsons as a source.
    You’re dealing with material that many people are ignorant about; and/or have as an immediate reaction – don’t believe.
    All your material should be bullet-proof.
    But, needless to say, keep up the great work.

  121. i spend much of my time photographing churches
    this is me in the magdalene chapel
    rennes l’ chateau
    …think Divinci Codes

  122. i guess that means no

    I have found that when I ask people

    “are you a CHristian”

    usually a CHristian will giv e you a driect answer and say

    something liek “yes”

    now some non christians that I have little bit of resepct for when asked directly “are you a CHristain?”

    they wil say “no”

  123. This is just for review. The lawyers who hold public office such as the Congress took an israeli oath called Kol Nidre and work for the british crown (the word BAR stands for British Accredited Registry). Here’s some info on that:


    These zionists (sold their souls to the devil – – british crown) work for foreign interests and not for the United States. They advocate the private corporations that run the US ( http://www.metatech.org/the_us_constitution.html )
    (http://phoenixmaterials.org/pdf/100616.pdf Comparison of the corporate &
    original US Constitution)

    Congress is part of the biggest domestic enemy of the US.

  124. mr hardball chris glen beck matthesws i get them confused they look a like to me, trying to put on a tough face but he looks terrifed to me right now

    absolutely terrified

    but thats just me

  125. Oddly yes. I am discussed continually on Fox.
    What is said isn’t always positive.
    Oh, the pain it causes….


  126. a great article!

    no one can trust the government or the legal system to investigate anything, and that’s a big problem for the government. usa looks more like ussr every day.

    the problem is ‘Jew’ is taboo- in Canada Leslie Hughes found out the hard way. Israel’s guilt = Jew guilt in the gentile brain. the gentile did not create the linkage.

  127. but of course nobody wants wwIII

    I certainly dont thats for sure


    I would like to see major major reforms

    first and foremust for the poor and suffering

    young and old alike

    male and female

    my fdirst priority would be for white men over the age of 35, I think they have it the hardest

    but thats just me

  128. Israel? Afloat? They control…quite realistically….over 40% of the world’s money supply and are the third largest arms exporter. The two wars you mention were orchestrated by them 100%. It is time you got a copy of Jeff Gates book.
    Go to http://www.criminalstate.com

  129. Don’t blame Israel, they are just trying to stay afloat. I blame the American public for the 2 ongoing wars and will blame the American people if we are in another war. We elected Obama to get us out of the middle east and he shot the public a big line of bullshit. If the American voter does not hold the people we put into office accountable, then we don’t stand a chance. They keep on farting around and we are going to get into “no way out”.

  130. I draw what I believe are reasonable conclusions, based on what I believe are generally accepted facts; and then I bluntly state the. I try to be honest.

    If you are not scared of what you see going on around you, there’s something wrong with you.

  131. I hope you stick around as rcarlos

    and the same rcarlos typing the previous 2 posts types the future posts from rcarlos, so I can get to know you and understand you

  132. I had recently seen the hilarious drawing of Osama Bin Laden’s Mountain Fortress in another article. I had forgotten that the Zionists media actually promoted this absurd notion of an amazing mountain fortress occupied by evil terrorists.

    The original Mossad drawing included a Starbucks, an upscale organic food store, a haberdashery shop, a Macy’s and a big and tall clothing store for Osama. Netnayahu correctly observed these facilities were a bit too much even for the gullible American public.

  133. It reads like it was produced by the wordsmith Penumbra! If it’s not the same person, take it as a high compliment.

  134. i didnt type the “x” in the front of my comment I think it was a typpo

    oh by the way

    human brains process information faster than computers just in case people didnt know that

  135. You are speaking dialects, I see. You exist to undermine others opinion and mislead the discussion in this forum.

  136. nobody believes Bush is at fault in any way

    dont worry about that

    He will go down in histopry as the greats president this country has ever had

    thats George W Bush from West Texas 2008

    son of George HW Bush

    son of PRescott Bush

  137. Dan,
    I had overlooked the Hormuz issue. I still have the defense plans for the straits in the computer. I am not sure we can go into this…the funny part was putting blimps over the islands iran was holding…playing rock music and hitting them with synthetic aperture radar until their brains cooked…

    ah…the past

  138. It would be so evident Israël did it ! I apologize, I may seem stupid but I truly think Zionists are far from being as clever as they pretend to be. Nevertheless, they now know quite well, very many persons in all parts of the world speak of JFK’s letter concerning Dimona, and the pressure put on Israël to obtain the registration of its lobby as the foreign agent it is. The date 22 november is also evoked because of Jekyll Island Story, 22 november 1910.

    Zionists are surely not clever as they dream to be, but not completely stupid.

    Another post expressed the wish of decent persons in the world who would act. The point is I am quite sure the Rothschilds & cie know who they must be afraid of, but the public has no way to know about it, precisely because they control the press and disqualify persons they are frightened of.

  139. Stan
    Issues we want to go into here.
    I am trying to get David Irving to come on. I don’t want the war that comes with him but will fight it if I have to. What I want is the history…some of what you are touching on….

  140. Absolutely, and the holocaust narrative has been used as a propaganda tool to push the Zionist agenda, especially as it relates to ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israel. Notwithstanding that, a more accurate depiction of what we label “the holocaust” may be used to place in contrast “Jewish suffering” with the suffering of, for example, the Kulaks during Holodomor, which was principally a Jewish (Bolshevik)offense and ethnic cleansing of Russian Orthodox Christians. That is not to deny, but to place in context and to acknowledge that whatever suffering occurred (including those untruths which are hyperbolic and fabricated), can never rationalize or be used as a defense to the present crimes and genocide against the Palestinian people.

  141. I specifically asked this question as a title on my blog, a day I was tired of the number of abuse reports. -in France they are maniac of it as soon as you write a word which does not respect the “six millions story”-. So my post was “Does someone know why neither Churchill, nor Eisenhower, nor de Gaulle even wrote the word “gas chamber” in their memories ?”
    No one responded, and at the time I received very many posts.

    btw, each person who feels concerned can sign the petition asking for the abrogation of the loi Gayssot which makes us look a little bit more ridiculous.

  142. typing better

    Dan(Abrams?) in this type of forum
    less is more

    when people see a long post like that no one is gonna read that

    thats rude

    it shows that you dont care about their time

  143. A woman on the radio talked about revolution
    when it’s already passed her by
    Bob Dylan didn’t have this to sing about you
    you know it feels good to be alive

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up from history

    I saw the decade in, when it seemed
    the world could change at the blink of an eye
    And if anything
    then there’s your sign… of the times

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up from history

    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up from history

    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up…

  144. A woman on the radio talked about revolution
    when it’s already passed her by
    Bob Dylan didn’t have this to sing about you
    you know it feels good to be alive

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up from history

    I saw the decade in, when it seemed
    the world could change at the blink of an eye
    And if anything
    then there’s your sign… of the times

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up from history

    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up from history

    Right here, right now
    there is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    watching the world wake up…

  145. “Will A Military Coup Save America?”, Interview With Joe Cortina by Brother Nathanael Kapner; Posted by WeCogitate on November 05, 2010

    those guys are awesdome

    Joe Cortins and Brother Nathaniel Kapner, I think I insulted them one time on the internet

    I apologize for that

    GOd Bless

  146. “Even Noam Chomsky, top critic of many Israeli policies, had always stopped short of debunking 9/11.”

    This reminds me of the line one hears so often in the Vince Foster death case, “Even Kenneth Starr concluded that it was a suicide.” This overlooks the fact that Starr was Bush I’s solicitor general and that the elder Bush and Foster’s boss, Bill Clinton, are as close as peas in a pod. For the latest revelations, see “Foster Case Resignation Letter Surfaces” at http://www.dcdave.com/article5/091217.htm.

    As for Chomsky, see “Chomsky, the Fraud” and “Chomsky, the Fraud, Part 2,” at http://www.dcdave.com/article4/010318a.html and http://www.dcdave.com/article4/010406.html respectively.

  147. “Will A Military Coup Save America?”, Interview With Joe Cortina by Brother Nathanael Kapner; Posted by WeCogitate on November 05, 2010

  148. Excellent article.

    Gordon Stated: Israel is terrified of a new 9/11 investigation.

    The Israelis don’t want another 911 investigation. For those that have read my 911/Mossad posts they be surprised that I am not sure I want another 911 investigation.

    Due to Israel’s strong control over our congress, Whitehouse, think tanks and media we would get another sham investigation. Zelekow, an ardent Jewish Zionist, essentially wrote the official 911 investigation text. We will have another ardent Zionist write the next one.

    The Israeli Lobby will ensure that anyone suspicious of the Mossad will not be allowed on the panel. They won’t allow any 911 investigators on the panel and if they did they would only allow a “Bush did it” person or the “Illuminati did it person” or the “Boy Scouts did it” person.

    Due to public pressure, perhaps they would allow a “controlled demolition brought down the buildings” person on the panel but he will be out numbered by the other side of the issue and ridiculed. The controlled demolition person will not be very knowledgeable and will be discredited with shady personal information leaked to the news, either real or made up by the Mossad. Perhaps some Israeli Swallows and Ravens will be involved. Oh yes, a wild sex video goes viral on the Internet or perhaps child pornography will be surreptitiously placed in his computer and discovered by the FBI due to a tip from a Mossad agent with a southern accent.

    The report will conclude that the first report was basically correct. At best it will say there is a little controversy, due to lunatics, on how the buildings came down. The report will not include the evidence that the so called terrorist pilots were incompetent. There will be no mention of the Dancing Israelis, the Israeli Art Students, Odigo Systems, fake Osama tapes etc. They will strongly attack anyone who says a missile hit the Pentagon and not a plane. Based on the evidence that will be easy to do and that could sink the whole 911 truth movement. By the way, A LARGE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON!

    911 truthers of all varieties will be ridiculed as lunatics by the Zionist media with no chance of truly presenting their side of the issue. Family members of 911 victims will be seen on telivsion crying and stating “the Muslims did it.”

    Surely the Israelis have a comprehensive plan already created to handle such an extremely unlikely new, official 911 investigation.

    If they have an international based 911 investigation the panel will still be picked by elite Jewish Zionists including by those in the Israeli government.

    Besides, instead of having another investigation I propose the “Bush did it” crowd and everyone else read this book. Yes, I have posted it here before but there are probably newcomers, perhaps some are Israelis:

    Christopher Bollyn is offering a free download of his book Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World. A must read. He is one of the best 911 investigators. Learn all about the role of the Mossad and other Zionists.



  149. All you have to do is interview any owner of a crematory and get the facts. You cannot torch a body in an enclosed coffin-like chamber at high heat in less than two hours. [Check what the allies did to the German fuel lines, then ask yourself where they got the precious fuel to conduct all of that.]

    Let me make it more real for you: stick a 15-pound roast in the oven. Put it on broil. Is it reduced to ashes in an hour?

  150. Is there a reason why Rahm and Axelrod left White House? Is Obama becoming a JFK? Is Obama under threat now?

  151. We need some honest statesmen in the international community (if there are any) to start pushing hard for an international investigation into 9/11, and we need it soon.

    Once our Jewish supremacist Masters get WW3 started, the issue of who’s responsible for 9/11 will become academic.

  152. Christoper Bollyn had done a lot research on the 9/11. His details are very very interesting.So now Charlie Sheen is in trouble in Hollywoodland because he called for 9/11 inquiry. A lot of congressmen are afraid of something..if America can send nuclear aircraft carrier to attack Iraq, why cant’ it protect it’s congressmen.The enemy within? JFK?

  153. Great article, Gordon. In a 9/5/10 article in the Wash Post, the widely respected economist Joseph A. Stiglitz has confirmed that the full cost of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will top $3 trillion, but his estimate has recently been doubled by other competent economists. If the US/Israel attack Iran, and the price of oil quadruples as it did in late ’73-early ’74, oil could skyrocket to $350, based on a price today of $87/bbl. This would destroy the fragile world economic order overnight, sending us into the dark ages. This may well be what Israel intends to do, without waiting for the American public to wake up to the possibility that Israel participated with the CIA and Bush administration in 9/11.

    A recent, lengthy AP article on the destruction of a significant part of the world’s wheat crop by a mysterious and hitherto unknown rust fungus, quite possibly man-made, was pure fear mongering, and has me suspicious. I would not rule out a false-flag attack against major US crops like wheat, corn, and soybeans and/or a livestock pandemic killing off our beef cattle and dairy cows like flies, as an alternative to the nuke or human pandemic cases. This would destroy our economy by itself and trigger the legislation giving the FDA/DHS power to regulate every aspect of food in this country, from growing, processing, transporting, and selling it, and including even the power to regulate–confiscate, that is–homegrown food.

    The scenario, while seemingly far-fetched, would probably involve contrived emergencies cascading one on top of the other, beginning with an attack on Iran, disrupting the supply of oil, collapse of the dollar due to Asian selling, collapse of the markets, and the coup de grace coming, possibly, in the form of destroying the two most significant components of our food supply. The apparatus of surveillance, control, and suppression are already in place.

  154. ‘Sir’ Martin Gilbert, indefatigable Jewish campaigner on behalf of the ‘Holocaust’ and biographer of Winston Churchill, adds to the rich flavour and makes his own numerical claims, certainly not without chutzpah:

    In his book Auschwitz and the Allies (1981) he states

    ‘The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmo, Sobibor and Treblinka.’ (p.26).

    If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say a million a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.

    I think the technical term for this is “chutzpah deluxe”.

  155. Interesting arithmetic – the incredible numbers

    Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/ Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).

    According to Lengyel, ‘After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies.. Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.’ (Paperback edition, pp80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]

    This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months). Notice the bald precision of the figures without any explanation, the utter confidence in the reader’s credulity.

    The blurb on the cover of the book quotes the New York Herald-Tribune: “Passionate, tormenting”. Albert Einstein, the promoter of the US construction of the bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is quoted as offering “You have done a real service by letting the ones who are now silent and most forgotten speak.”

    Could this claim be a misprint?

    Kitty Hart, in spite of her name a Jewish survivor born in Poland, fully confirms these figures:

    ‘Working around the clock, the four units together could dispose of about 18,000 bodies every twenty-four hours, while the open pits coped with a further 8,000 in the same period.’ (p 118; Return to Auschwitz – paperback edition by Granada (1981, 1983).

    According to the cover blurb, ‘The subject of the award-winning Yorkshire television documentary of the same name.’ ‘Both engaging and harrowing…an important addition to the growing holocaust literature, very little of which conveys so courageously both the daily torment and the will to survive’ – Martin Gilbert, The Times.

  156. I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.

    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.

    In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.”

  157. Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica

    Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesmen for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize..

    Time Magazine, March 18 1985:

    ‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? “I will never know” Wiesel says. “I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

    Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:

    “In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions.”

  158. It’s now official – there’s been no actual shortage of Holocaust Survivors :

    quote from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso in the year 2000:

    ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million.’ (page 83)

  159. Gordon, excellent and right on the money. Oaklahoma City was a botched up 911 that Bill Clinton refused to bite on. The people of Oaklahoma were given one of their own as the culprit, how cruel!

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