Christ Was Never a Christian but He Was Tortured by Occupying Forces

by Eileen Fleming

 

For many Christian churches, Palm Sunday is referred to as “Passion Sunday” and it marks the beginning of Holy Week, which concludes on Easter Sunday.

The biblical account of Palm Sunday can be found in Matthew 21:1-11; Mark 11:1-11; Luke 19:28-44; and John 12:12-19.  They tell the story of when Jesus entered Jerusalem, the crowds greeted him by waving and covering his path with palm branches. The story goes that immediately following this triumphant celebration Jesus began his tortured journey to the cross.

The Stations of the Cross (or Way of the Cross; also called the Via Dolorosa, Way of Sorrows, or just The Way) is a series of artistic representations depicting Christ Carrying the Cross to his crucifixion in the final hours or Passion of Jesus before he died.

2,000 years ago the cross had no religious meaning and was not a piece of jewelry. When Jesus said, “Pick up your cross and follow me” everyone then understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces.

Jesus was never a Christian, for that term was not even coined until the days of Paul, about 3 decades after Jesus walked the earth a man.

Jesus was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were: sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.

What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces and teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.

During my second [of seven] Reality Tours through the West Bank, I was introduced to Sabeel, Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center Contemporary Way of Cross.

The Sabeel way, transforms the traditional Christian tradition of meditating upon the journey that Christ took after his condemnation as he carried his cross to where he was crucified with an updated meditation on empire and occupation.

In Jerusalem there are fourteen plaques along The Via Delarosa hanging on the walls of buildings depicting where Christ may have fallen three times, meets his mother, is stripped, nailed and dies.

The Contemporary Way suggests fourteen reflections beginning with 1948, The Nabka: The Catastrophe which followed the failure of the UN partition plan of ‘47 when the Irgun and Stern Gang [Zionist terrorist groups] depopulated 400 villages and forced 726,000 Palestinians to flee to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

Station Two reflects on those refugees and the 460,000 more that fled during the War of 1967. Currently there are 675,670 registered refugees in the West Bank, 938,531 in Gaza and over two million in Arab countries who have never received compensation and have been denied the right to return as guaranteed in Articles 13 and 15 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in UN Resolution 194.

At Anata, [Jerusalem’s refugee camp] The Wall is butted up to the boy’s high school. The ‘playground’ where around 800 male adolescents ‘play’ is in reality a slab of cement about the square footage of a basketball court and is walled in on all four sides by the high school, two small cement walls and Israel’s Separation Wall.

A refugee informed me that on a daily basis, “The Israeli Occupation Forces show up when the children gather in the morning or after classes. They throw percussion bombs or gas bombs into the school nearly every day! The world is sleeping; the world is hibernating and is allowing this misery to continue.”

I wandered around taking photos and was warmly greeted by a teenage boy who asked my name and where I was from. I cringed when I said America, for I am ashamed that over one hundred billion USA dollars since 1948 has supported the occupation, promoted violence and helped build The Wall which is “financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile. The Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services. In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families’ sole livelihood for generations.” [1]

A five-minute car ride from the refugee camp, lies an Orwellian Disney Land of lush green grounds in the colony called the Pizgatzeev settlement. I was sick at heart and in my gut as I rode less than a mile into the colony and counted three playgrounds and a swimming pool. I still wonder how many USA tax dollars helped to build them.

As my Sabeel group was praying a gunshot issued from the Anata refugee camp, then another and another in rapid succession. I was told that the IDF was showering the refugees with gunfire and that terror is just a normal daily occurrence. I lost it completely then, and sobbed uncontrollably. I felt like the Magdalena when she could not find her Lord, and then I thought of Jesus, and how he cried buckets of tears over Jerusalem.

As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it.-Luke 19:41

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.” -Matthew 23:37

While in Bethlehem in July 2007, I also met with Rev. Dr. Mitri Raheb, the Pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas church in Bethlehem since 1988 who was also born in that little town in Occupied Territory.

Raheb spoke with passion:

“We are not spectators, we have a role to play…we are nonviolent but I have problems with nonviolence; people from abroad come here and give us sermons on nonviolence and I appreciate it, but why don’t they preach nonviolence to Israel and America?
“It’s a miracle that the Palestinians are so nonviolent in spite of the abuse we live with on a daily basis. If you lived here every day you would get fed up too. The world assumes it is the Palestinians who are the violent ones, but nonviolence is who we are. If you operate in a system of violence you will also be violent when you go home.

“Palestinians who throw stones; and many think that is ok, but I say why do that? One day you will throw stones at Palestinians too and that is exactly what happened in Gaza, but the reason is the occupation! Where do you think Hamas learned to torture? In Israeli prisons from their captors!

“There is no way to end the violence without first ending the occupation. Our Palestinian government was boycotted for a year and a half by America and the EU: this is violence! As long as the violence is exercised against us that is OK with the world. When the Presbyterians talked divestment the Zionist rose up and said ‘you can’t do that!’

“I started interfaith dialogue in 1985 because Christians should not be islands and you don’t dialogue just with yourself, you must dialogue with the other and the biggest temptation for the church is to stay within their walls and only be dedicated to their own members; which leads to a dead church. We are called to go out, and we do not just preach with words, people here are fed up with words; they hear one thing and see another with their eyes.

“They hear peace, peace, peace and for 85 years the politicians have been working for peace and the situation gets worse. Blair, and all the politicians are into PR for themselves; they do nothing for our situation.   Blair got himself a good job marketing himself and he will come and go and Israel will continue building the wall, settlements and carving the West Bank into Swiss cheese; Israel gets the cheese and we Palestinians fall into the holes!

“Fifty million American dollars went to build the checkpoints to ‘make our lives easier’ we were told, but these checkpoints and terminals are not for people, they are for cattle!

“We have too much religion and it suffocates us! If God would speak today he would say, ‘I am fed up with your religion!’ The more religion there is; the less spirituality.

“During the Israeli invasion in 2002 when the Church of Nativity was occupied by the IDF and Palestinians were sheltered within, as an eyewitness I wrote 18 short stories that will keep you awake at night, in my book Bethlehem Beseiged: Stories of Hope in Times of Trouble.” [2]

One of the refugees I spoke with in Bethlehem’s Aida refugee camp told me, “I left Gaza on March 20, 2007. My husband has been there ever since he was sent there in 2002, after Bethlehem was besieged.

“It began on an ordinary day, helicopters and airplanes circled above and tanks came up the street. The soldiers were on the roof and breaking in doors and through walls. The resistance fighters and many young people ran to Manger Square. The soldiers stole money and jewelry.  The Franciscan father Abraham Feltus sheltered my husband in the Church of the Nativity. After it was all over, I went and prayed and lit candles there.”

 Reported by the National Catholic Reporter on 4/26/2002, “the standoff between the Israeli Defense Force and the 250 Palestinians holed up inside the church along with 45 monks, nuns and priests…is taking a toll on both those inside the church and without. Bethlehem residents living near Manger Square, where the church is located, continue to live under curfew. The Israeli army has said it will continue its siege, which began April 3, until it captures about 30 men inside the church whom the army says are wanted as terrorists.

“Reached by telephone April 16, Franciscan Fr. Amjad Sabbara, parish priest at St. Catherine’s Church, the Latin church that adjoins the 1,400-year, old Orthodox basilica enshrining Christ’s birthplace, said the most serious problem for all those at the Church of the Nativity is water. The Nativity complex, which includes Catholic, Orthodox and Armenian monasteries in addition to the basilica, has one well. With some 250 more people now living there, water is running low. So far, the Israelis have permitted the delivery of a crate with 20 bottles of water, but no food. Sabbara reported that those inside the church are living on one meal a day.

“A youth who escaped from the Church of the Nativity April 15 provided a fuller picture of the squalid conditions inside the church. In an article printed in The New York Times April 17, 16-year-old Jihad Abdul Rahman said cold and the stench from rotting bodies and gangrenous wounds drove him from the church. There was no water for washing and only one toilet for the 250 Palestinians taking shelter inside the church, Rahman said.

“Dwindling supplies of food and water are not the only problems those inside the church are contending with. The Israeli army is exerting psychological pressure by blasting loud music and shrieking cries at night as well as intermittent demands to those inside the church to give themselves up.

“It’s the Noriega technique,” said Bethlehem resident Br. Kenneth Cardwell, referring to the tactics the U.S. government adopted in its efforts to dislodge former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega from the Vatican embassy in Panama City where he sought refuge in 1989.

“They play really repulsive music very loudly. They broadcast loud commands to surrender in the middle of night. They explode huge explosive charges and then lesser flash-bangs I call them. We’re a half-mile away and we wake up five, six times a night with this racket. There are blimps with a cable below. There’s been a drone flying overhead all day today. Yesterday colored gasses wafted across the square,” Cardwell said.

He added that a box dangling from a large crane the Israeli army has brought into or close by Manger Square “gave a laser light show the other night and that was pretty exciting…all the computers of the Palestinian Authority in Bethlehem have been destroyed in what he called a deliberate attempt by the Israeli government to destroy the Palestinian economy and the Palestinian Authority.”

Cardwell added, “We watch on TV the great support Israel is receiving from the Jewish people in the United States. If they only knew what this government is doing to the Palestinian people, they would repent in dust and ashes. American Jewry has a very high sense of moral responsibility for the widow, the stranger and the orphan, and they just are blind to what the Israeli government is doing.”  [IBID]

Father Emmanuel Charles McCarthy ends his emails with:

“Jesus did not simply ‘suffer and die,’ just as Abel did not simply ‘suffer and die.’ Jesus was ‘tortured and murdered,’ and He responded to His torturers and murderers with a Nonviolent Merciful Love. ‘Suffered and died’ are minimizing, obscuring, evasive, amnesia-inducing, all-purpose, generalizing words. They do not convey properly the Gospel history of what took place on Golgotha. They do not convey properly the revelation and glory of God in Jesus during His final hours on earth, nor do they convey properly the revelation of the redeeming and redemptive Way of God through Jesus. The raw animal pain of suffering and death is not what saves. Identification with Jesus being tortured and murdered is identification with Jesus loving—loving the Father by doing the Father’s will and loving those responsible for His torture and murder. Communion with the tortured and murdered and risen Jesus Christ is communion with a love that conquers any evil and is stronger than death.”-Center for Christian Nonviolence

Jesus is also called The Prince of Peace and although I no longer attend or support any church institution, because I love Jesus and try to follow him, I am connected to the mystical Body of Christ and the most rigid of Christian fundamentalists are my sisters and brothers.
St. Paul, who never failed to express his freedom of speech, warned the followers of Christ, NOT to judge the unbeliever but to provoke the believer onto good works.

Ever since my first trip to Israel Palestine in 2005, my work, hope and prayer has been to mend, heal and repair the flabby Body of Christ in the West by trying to reconnect it to its very roots in the land where Jesus walked and taught that it is the peacemakers who are the children of God; not those that bomb, torture or occupy others.

The Christian EXODUS from the Holy land-which is in pieces; Bantustans, has rendered their numbers from 20% of the total population to less than 1.3% since 1948. Their dwindling numbers are due to low birth rates coupled with their escape from a brutal, inhumane military occupation,  which is aided and abetted by American foreign policy and ‘we the peoples’ tax dollars.

Every individual Christian is but one cell in the cosmic Body of Christ. “So in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.” -Romans 12:4

“Its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part [of The Body] suffers, every part suffers with it.”-1 Corinthians 12:25-26

The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and all the prophets said, “You will recognize the believers in their having Mercy for one another, and in their Love for one another, and in their Kindness towards one another; like the body, when one member of it hurts, the entire body hurts.”
In the gospel [good news] told in Mark 3: 31-35, the mother of Jesus’ and his brothers arrived at the house where he was teaching.

Standing outside, they sent word to Jesus and called him out.

The crowd around Jesus told him, “Your mother, sisters and brothers are outside asking for you.”

Jesus replied, “I am here with my mother, sisters and brothers. For whoever does the will of God is my brother, sister and mother.”-Mark 3: 31-35

“What does God require? He has told you o’man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.” – Micah 6:8

Being just means correct, true, accurate, right and fair.

Merciful is to have, feel and show compassion, that sense of viscerally feeling the pain of another and being moved to help.

Being humble is knowing yourself-the good and the bad-for both cut through every human heart and all FREE WILL means is we get to choose which rules ours.

I am Eileen Fleming and I approve of all of my messages.

1. Washington Report on Middle East Affairs Page 43, Jan/Feb. 2007
2.  MEMOIRS of a Nice Irish-American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory



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29 Responses to "Christ Was Never a Christian but He Was Tortured by Occupying Forces"

  1. Eileen Fleming  April 3, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    “I would never have become an historian if I thought that it would become my professional duty to go into the past and never emerge, to study long-gone events and remember them only for their uniqueness, not connecting them to events going on in my time.”-Howard Zinn

    Every one who claims to be a Christian should be able to define just WHO is there Jesus and by their actions you will know if they truly are following Him and NOT the traditions, doctrines, dogmas of men.

  2. Larry777  April 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    People who RAPE 3 year old children should be holocausted!

    Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Niddah
    Niddah 44b
    MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED23 BY INTERCOURSE; IF THE YABAM24 HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER, HE ACQUIRES HER THEREBY;25 THE GUILT26 OF ADULTERY27 MAY BE INCURRED THROUGH HER,28 AND SHE29 CAUSES UNCLEANNESS TO THE MAN WHO HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER SO THAT HE IN TURN CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS TO THAT UPON WHICH HE LIES,30 AS TO A GARMENT WHICH HAS LAIN UPON [A ZAB].31 IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH. IF ANY OF THE INELIGIBLE PERSONS32 COHABITED WITH HER HE DISQUALIFIES HER FROM THE PRIESTHOOD.33 IF ANY OF THE FORBIDDEN DEGREES ENUMERATED IN THE TORAH COHABITED WITH HER HE IS TO BE EXECUTED ON HER ACCOUNT, BUT SHE34 IS EXEMPT [FROM THE PENALTY]. IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE.

  3. Larry777  April 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Shalom,

    The Founding Father of Judaism was Jethro, the priest of Midian, who instructed his son-in-law, Moses in the worship of VOLCANOES (Exodus 18 & 19).

    TORAH is a collection of customs & laws from Egypt, Midian & surrounding countries, which Jethro & Moses put together & told the people YHWH had commanded them to obey. There is NO Supreme Intelligent Being involved in the Bible.

    THOUSANDS OF MILLSTONES NEEDED

    CHILD BRIDES 3 YEARS OLD
    Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Niddah
    Niddah 44b

    MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED23 BY INTERCOURSE; IF THE YABAM24 HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER, HE ACQUIRES HER THEREBY;25 THE GUILT26 OF ADULTERY27 MAY BE INCURRED THROUGH HER,28 AND SHE29 CAUSES UNCLEANNESS TO THE MAN WHO HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER SO THAT HE IN TURN CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS TO THAT UPON WHICH HE LIES,30 AS TO A GARMENT WHICH HAS LAIN UPON [A ZAB].31 IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH. IF ANY OF THE INELIGIBLE PERSONS32 COHABITED WITH HER HE DISQUALIFIES HER FROM THE PRIESTHOOD.33 IF ANY OF THE FORBIDDEN DEGREES ENUMERATED IN THE TORAH COHABITED WITH HER HE IS TO BE EXECUTED ON HER ACCOUNT, BUT SHE34 IS EXEMPT [FROM THE PENALTY]. IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE.

    GEMARA. Our Rabbis taught: A girl of the age of three years may be betrothed by intercourse; so R. Meir. But the Sages say: Only one who is three years and one day old. What is the practical difference between them? — The school of R Jannai replied: The practical difference between them is the day preceding the first day of the fourth year.35 R. Johanan, however, replied: The practical difference between them is the rule that thirty days of a year are counted as the full year.36
    An objection was raised: A girl of the age of three years and even one of the age of two years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse; so R. Meir. But the Sages say: Only one who is three years and one day old.

    23 ubject to her father’s approval.
    24 he brother of her deceased childless husband, whose duty it is to contract the levirate marriage with her.
    25 In consequence of which he gains possession of his deceased brother’s estate, is entitled if she dies to inherit her own estate and even if he is a priest, he may defile himself to her as to a legally married wife.
    26 Punishable by death.
    27 Lit., ‘on account of the wife of a man’.
    28 If, for instance, her father betrothed her to one man and another cohabited with her.
    29 When a menstruant.
    30 Lit., ‘lower couch’.
    31 Lit., ‘like the upper’.
    32 A bastard or a slave, for instance.
    33 Sc. if she was the daughter of a priest she loses the privilege of eating terumah.
    34 Being a minor.
    35 Lit., ‘the eve of the beginning of the year’. According to R. Meir she attains the prescribed age on that day while according to the Rabbis she does not attain it until the following day.
    36 According to R. Meir the prescribed age is attained as soon as thirty days of the third year have passed, while according to the Rabbis it is not attained until the first day of the fourth year.

    Three Year Old Brides

    When Christ accused the Pharisees of His day of being Satan’s spiritual children, He fully realized what they were capable of. Second century Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai, one of Judaism’s very greatest rabbis and a creator of Kabbalah, sanctioned pedophilia—permitting molestation of baby girls even younger than three! He proclaimed,
    “A proselyte who is under the age of three years and a day is permitted to marry a priest.” 1 Subsequent rabbis refer to ben Yohai’s endorsement of pedophilia as “halakah,” or binding Jewish law. 2 Has ben Yohai, child rape advocate, been disowned by modern Jews? Hardly. Today, in ben Yohai’s hometown of Meron, Israel, tens of thousands of orthodox and ultra-orthodox Jews gather annually for days and nights of singing and dancing in his memory.
    References to pedophilia abound in the Talmud. They occupy considerable sections of Treatises Kethuboth and Yebamoth and are enthusiastically endorsed by the Talmud’s definitive legal work, Treatise Sanhedrin.
    The Pharisees Endorsed Child Sex
    The rabbis of the Talmud are notorious for their legal hairsplitting, and quibbling debates. But they share rare agreement about their right to molest three year old girls. In contrast to many hotly debated issues, hardly a hint of dissent rises against the prevailing opinion (expressed in many clear passages) that pedophilia is not only normal but scriptural as well! It’s as if the rabbis have found an exalted truth whose majesty silences debate.
    Because the Talmudic authorities who sanction pedophilia are so renowned, and because pedophilia as “halakah” is so explicitly emphasized, not even the translators of the Soncino edition of the Talmud (1936) dared insert a footnote suggesting the slightest criticism. They only comment: “Marriage, of course, was then at a far earlier age than now.” 3
    In fact, footnote 5 to Sanhedrin 60b rejects the right of a Talmudic rabbi to disagree with ben Yohai’s endorsement of pedophilia: “How could they [the rabbis], contrary to the opinion of R. Simeon ben Yohai, which has scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young proselyte?” 4
    Out of Babylon
    It was in Babylon after the exile under Nebuchadnezzar in 597 BC that Judaism’s leading sages probably began to indulge in pedophilia. Babylon was the staggeringly immoral capitol of the ancient world. For 1600 years, the world’s largest population of Jews flourished within it.
    As an example of their evil, Babylonian priests said a man’s religious duty included regular sex with temple prostitutes. Bestiality was widely tolerated. So Babylonians hardly cared whether a rabbi married a three year old girl.
    But with expulsion of the Jews in the 11th century AD, mostly to western Christian lands, Gentile tolerance of Jewish pedophilia abruptly ended.
    Still, a shocking contradiction lingers: If Jews want to revere the transcendent wisdom and moral guidance of the Pharisees and their Talmud, they must accept the right of their greatest ancient sages to violate children. To this hour, no synod of Judaism has repudiated their vile practice.
    Sex with a “Minor” Permitted
    What exactly did these sages say?
    The Pharisees justified child rape by explaining that a boy of nine years was not a “man” Thus they exempted him from God’s Mosaic Law:
    “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination” (Leviticus. 18:22)
    One passage in the Talmud gives permission for a woman who molested her young son to marry a high priest. It concludes,
    “All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not.” 5
    Because a boy under 9 is sexually immature, he can’t “throw guilt” on the active offender, morally or legally. 6
    A woman could molest a young boy without questions of morality even being raised:
    “…the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act.” 7
    The Talmud also says,
    “A male aged nine years and a day who cohabits with his deceased brother’s wife acquires her (as wife).”
    8 Clearly, the Talmud teaches that a woman is permitted to marry and have sex with a nine year old boy.
    Sex at Three Years and One Day
    In contrast to Simeon ben Yohai’s dictum that sex with a little girl is permitted under the age of three years, the general teaching of the Talmud is that the rabbi must wait until a day after her third birthday. She could be taken in marriage simply by the act of rape.
    R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. (Sanhedrin 55b)
    A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by cohabitation. . . .(. Yebamoth 57b)
    A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabited with her she becomes his. (Sanhedrin. 69a, 69b, also discussed in Yebamoth. 60b)
    It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas (who was priest, the footnote says) surely was with them. (Yebamoth. 60b)
    [The Talmud says such three year and a day old girls are] . . . fit for cohabitation. . . But all women children, that have not known man by lying with him, it must be concluded that Scripture speaks of one who is fit for cohabitation. (Footnote to Yebamoth. 60b)
    The example of Phineas, a priest, himself marrying an underage virgin of three years is considered by the Talmud as proof that such infants are “fit for cohabitation.”
    The Talmud teaches that an adult woman’s molestation of a nine year old boy is “not a sexual act” and cannot “throw guilt” upon her because the little boy is not truly a “man.” 9 But they use opposite logic to sanction rape of little girls aged three years and one day: Such infants they count as “women,” sexually mature and fully responsible to comply with the requirements of marriage.
    The Talmud footnotes 3 and 4 to Sanhedrin 55a clearly tell us when the rabbis considered a boy and girl sexually mature and thus ready for marriage. “At nine years a male attains sexual matureness… The sexual matureness of woman is reached at the age of three.”
    No Rights for Child Victims
    The Pharisees were hardly ignorant of the trauma felt by molested children. To complicate redress, the Talmud says a rape victim must wait until she was of age before there would be any possibility of restitution. She must prove that she lived and would live as a devoted Jewess, and she must protest the loss of her virginity on the very hour she comes of age. “As soon as she was of age one hour and did not protest she cannot protest any more.” 10
    The Talmud defends these strict measures as necessary to forestall the possibility of a Gentile child bride rebelling against Judaism and spending the damages awarded to her as a heathen – an unthinkable blasphemy! But the rights of the little girl were really of no great consequence, for, “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this (three years and a day) it is as if one put the finger into the eye.” The footnote says that as “tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.” 11
    In most cases, the Talmud affirms the innocence of male and female victims of pedophilia. Defenders of the Talmud claim this proves the Talmud’s amazing moral advancement and benevolence toward children; they say it contrasts favorably with “primitive” societies where the child would have been stoned along with the adult perpetrator.
    Actually, the rabbis, from self-protection, were intent on proving the innocence of both parties involved in pedophilia: the child, but more importantly, the pedophile. They stripped a little boy of his right to “throw guilt” on his assailant and demanded complicity in sex from a little girl. By thus providing no significant moral or legal recourse for the child, the Talmud clearly reveals whose side it is on: the raping rabbi.
    Pedophilia Widespread
    Child rape was practiced in the highest circles of Judaism. This is illustrated from Yebamoth. 60b:
    There was a certain town in the land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an inquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day, and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest.
    The footnote says that she was “married to a priest” and the rabbi simply permitted her to live with her husband, thus upholding “halakah” as well as the dictum of Simeon ben Yohai,
    “A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest.” 12
    These child brides were expected to submit willingly to sex. Yebamoth. 12b confirms that under eleven years and one day a little girl is not permitted to use a contraceptive but “must carry on her marital intercourse in the usual manner.”
    In Sanhedrin 76b a blessing is given to the man who marries off his children before they reach the age of puberty, with a contrasting curse on anyone who waits longer. In fact, failure to have married off one’s daughter by the time she is 12-1/2, the Talmud says, is as bad as one who “returns a lost article to a Cuthean” (Gentile) – a deed for which “the Lord will not spare him.” 13 This passage says: “… it is meritorious to marry off one’s children whilst minors.”
    The mind reels at the damage to the untold numbers of girls who were sexually abused within Judaism during the heyday of pedophilia. Such child abuse, definitely practiced in the second century, continued, at least in Babylon, for another 900 years.
    A Fascination with Sex
    Perusing the Talmud, one is overwhelmed with the recurrent preoccupation with sex, especially by the most eminent rabbis. Dozens of illustrations could be presented to illustrate the delight of the Pharisees to discuss sex and quibble over its minutest details.
    The rabbis endorsing child sex undoubtedly practiced what they preached. Yet to this hour, their words are revered. Simeon ben Yohai is honored by Orthodox Jews as one of the very greatest sages and spiritual lights the world has ever known. A member of the earliest “Tannaim,” rabbis most influential in creating the Talmud, he carries more authority to observant Jews than Moses.
    Today, the Talmud’s outspoken pedophiles and child-rape advocates would doubtlessly spend hard time in prison for child molestation. Yet here is what the eminent Jewish scholar, Dagobert Runes (who is fully aware of all these passages), says about such “dirty old men” and their perverted teachings:
    There is no truth whatever in Christian and other strictures against the Pharisees, who represented the finest traditions of their people and of human morals. 14

    Aren’t Christ’s words more appropriate?
    “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.” (Matthew 23:27, 28.)
    Endnotes:
    1 Yebamoth 60b, p. 402.
    2 Yebamoth 60b, p. 403.
    3 Sanhedrin 76a.
    4 In Yebamoth 60b, p. 404, Rabbi Zera disagrees that sex with girls under three years and one day should be endorsed as halakah.
    5 Sanhedrin 69b.
    6 Sanhedrin 55a.
    7 Footnote 1 to Kethuboth 11b.
    8 Sanhedrin 55b.
    9 Sanhedrin 55a.
    10 Kethuboth 11a.
    11 Kethuboth 11b.
    12 Yebamoth 60b.
    13 Sanhedrin 76b.
    14 Dagobert Runes, A Concise Dictionary of Judaism, New York, 1959.

  4. Debbie Menon  April 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    That Christ was never a Christian seems to beggar the argument. Of course he was not…. he was a Jew. And, since he fought so hard to correct some of the errant and corrupt practices which the Priesthood had developed, I would think a rather devout and dedicated Jew at that.

    To speak or even think of him as a Christian is nonsense. To even compare his teaching with that which is practiced as Christianity today is equally nonsense!

    Were he to return to earth today, I am sure he would go down to the Synagogues and Churches and start throwing things about, and priests and rabbis out the door.

    I doubt that he would be bothered or concerned very much by the heathens who have taken his name as a rallying point for barbarity, except that he might kick some ass for giving the family a bad name.

  5. ricohands  April 2, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Eileen, Thats only because Romans took capital punishment away from the Jews while allowing them to keep their Sanhedrin.

    In order to have Jesus crucified, the Jewish leaders had to manipulate Rome into doing it. First, the Jewish leaders had to lie – make up charges (Lk. 23: 2, 3). Jewish leaders persisted in their demands for crucifixion (vss. 5-19). NT writers charged the Jews with having Jesus crucified(Acts 2: 36, 3: 13-17)

  6. ricohands  April 2, 2012 at 6:59 am

    Considering you were worshiping phallics when Jesus was about, and for over 7 centuries after, I would step down a peg or 2 there Ashkenaz Khazar.

  7. Eileen Fleming  April 2, 2012 at 5:03 am

    When the Banks got bailed I thought of Jesus’ righteous anger over the money changers in the Temple, but NOW I just recalled what Israel’s Nuclear Whistle Blower, Mordechai Vanunu told me:

    “When Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple, it was like me in Dimona exposing the Israelis’ dirty secrets. I felt like Paul being thrown in prison for speaking the truth.

    “My human rights have been denied me because I am a Christian. When I was on trial I was treated just like a Palestinian; no human rights at all and cruel and unusual punishment, all because I told the truth. The government spread slander about me, that I was a homosexual, that I hated Jews, that I wanted fame and money. What I did was sacrifice my life for the truth. In prison I really began to feel like Jesus and Paul.

    “The USA needs to wake up and see the truth that Israel is not a democracy unless you are a Jew. Israel is the only country in the Middle East where America can right now find WMD’s. America can also find where basic human rights have been denied Christians, right here in Israel.”- “BEYOND NUCLEAR: Mordechai Vanunu’s FREEDOM of SPEECH Trial and My Life as a Muckraker 2005-2010” by eileen fleming

  8. Eileen Fleming  April 2, 2012 at 4:55 am

    The picture is: Religion and Politics in bed together= we the people for justice, who speak truth and seek peace get screwed!

    Religion divides but Spirit connects and we all have a life time of inner work we were born to do- but another picture is that most do not go that deep and prefer to blame ‘the other’ and neglect to do unto ‘the other’ what they want done unto them-for they do not see ‘the other’ is really themselves in different skins, places and times.

    “The struggle is in the mind. We must bury our own monsters and stop condemning people. We are all Christ and Hitler. We want Christ to win. We’re trying to make Christ’s message contemporary. What would he have done if he had advertisements, records, films, TV and newspapers! Christ made miracles to tell his message. Well, the miracle today is communications, so let’s use it.”-John Lennon

    In solidarity!
    I am Eileen Fleming and I approve of ALL of my messages!
    http://www.eileenfleming.org/

  9. libertarianann  April 2, 2012 at 1:49 am

    GODS WILL

    We understand that the crucifixion of Christ is Gods will.

    THE GOOD GUYS ARE THE KILLERS

    The people that crucify Christ are the good guys.

    THE BAD GUYS TRY TO SAVE JESUS

    The ones who try to prevent it are Gods enemies.

    PETER IS CALLED SATAN

    In the Bible , Peter tries to protect Jesus from the crucifixion.

    Jesus calls him Satan. “Get behind me Satan”.

    PETER TRIED TO PREVENT THIS CONSCIOUS CRUCIFIXION

    Thus if Crucifixion is something that occurs in consciousness.

    If indeed it is an act of meditation, that takes the energy from the solar plexus to the brain, think about who it is that tries to frustrate people away from doing this.

    Who is it that screams cult, whenever Kundalini or meditation above the mind is mentioned.

    IT IS CHRISTIANITY

  10. judgment  April 1, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I was wondering today this convergence of happenings, Israel working with the Azarian preparing to bomb Iran. An Armenian friend told me the Azarian are trouble. The Khazarian of old now Zionist in Israel. So lets go back in time, Jesus came to heart to tell the Money Changer they were breaking his Father’s commandments. Jesus as we know was Jewish trying to remove the plague of the Money Changer that had taken over control of the Jews, so the Khazarian had the Roman hang him with lies and deceit, as usual. They have not changed much.

  11. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Hey Eileen hurry over to http://www.henrymakow.com read the 1st article he just posted…that’s the real problem..

  12. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I don’t get your point in always pushing this condemnation of St. Augustine’s ( perfected by St Thomas Aquinas) Just War doctrine..Did the Afghan invasion meet the criteria of the Just War doctrine? No..Iraq? No..First Gulf War? no..Vietnam? No…Korean War? No…WW II? WW I? No….Spanish-american war? No.The War for Southern Independence? No…Mexican-American War? No….Gettin’ the picture? It’s hard to paint Augustine and Aquinas as passively giving the state the justification to wage indisciminate war when their doctrines’ requirements for a “Just War” exclude the vast majority of conflicts..

  13. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Perhaps YOU would have preferred that christianity had stayed the way it was in 300 AD but very few other Christians ( incl yours truly ) do…A physically weak faith with little or no influence over worldly affairs of state..Peter and Paul didn’t run from Rome, they went to Rome to convert it to the true Faith and to help the work of spreading it..Man’s a social animal…” all his enemies must be at His feet” Christ needs to rule over states as well as individuals through the teaching authority of His Church..That way all rulers would be spiritually united to each other and to Christ through his vicar on earth…Now THAT’s a peace plan…And it’s really not an option since wherever Christ doesn’t reign Satan takes the throne.

  14. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Naturally; ” if the Pharisees hadn’t been able to coerce him ( Pilate )….If Jeshua was an anti-occupation Jewish insurgent then he was a total failure…But He wasn’t..The Pharisees actually wanted a kind of ethno-centric military genius with supernatural powers who could lead them to world domination over the goyim cattle…When they heard Christ give parables like the Good Samaritan they decidedly “did not want that Man to rule over them”..Through the Passion Christ remained non-violent but the Jews paid-up in 70 AD…Christ is God…He spoke for the ages when He spoke..Your cross can be a trying spouse or MS…

  15. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    And that was ” the only reason the Pharisees didn’t kill Him themselves..”Also; .”You would have no authority unless it was given to you from above, therefore they who have handed Me over to you have the greater sin…”

  16. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    The only the Pharisees didn’t kill him themselves ( like the holiest of the prophets before Him ) was BECAUSE they were under occupation and didn’t have the authority to do it themselves….But if the Pharisees hadn’t been able to coerce him then they would have done it themselves…They picked up rocks to stone Him a couple of times before that…The ancient Jews aren’t the Palestinians or the Iraqis or the Afghans..they deserved their occupation due to their diesobedience and faithlessness..Jesus was NOT a Jewish insurgent and didn’t come to free His people fm Roman occupation…

  17. Eileen Fleming  April 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    I attempted to make many points, but most especially to provoke thought and encourage conversation, so thanks for all the input, but can we move on and back to ONE main point in the article:

    Two thousand years ago the Cross had NO symbolic religious meaning and was not a piece of jewelry.

    When Jesus said: “Pick up your cross and follow me,” everyone back then understood he was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces.

    Indeed JC had few friends in the Temple, for he challenged their job security, but Jews did not kill Jews and Rome’s method of capital punishment was crucifixion and let us NOT neglect the TORTURE inflicted upon JC was done by Romans- the crown of thorns thrust into his head, the whipping and nailings were all done by Roman soldiers.

    The crowd was like any other- supporters and hecklers, those who were aghast and sickened by the horror and those that got off on it; be they Jew, pagan or Roman- ALL could well be accused of having innocent blood on their hands- but that misses THE POINT JC made when he remained NONVIOLENT and forgiving throughout it all and to the end!

    As he hung on the cross dieing JC prayed, “Father, forgive them. They know NOT what they do.”

    JC’s violent death is wasted unless one Wakes Up and see’s he was really saying via demonstration “ENOUGH with human violence and retaliation! It is to END here with my broken body for love of ALL people!”

    NONVIOLENT reaction to violence is the only way to break that cycle, but nothing much has changed in 2,000 years and here’s a little history:

    In the latter days of Nero’s reign [54-68 A.S.] through Domitian [ 81-96] Christians were persecuted for following the nonviolent, loving and forgiving Jesus.

    That Jesus was first left behind when Augustine penned the Just War Theory.

    Augustine was the first Church Father to consider the concept of a Just War and within 100 years after Constantine, the Empire required that all soldiers in the army must be baptized Christians and thus, the decline of Christianity began.

    With the justification of war and violence supplied by Augustine’s Just War Theory, wrong became right. Nothing much has changed in two millennia, for in today’s Orwellian world politicians claim the way to peace is through war and that nuclear weapons provide protection. American money claims ‘In God we Trust’ but the truth is America’s faith is in an out of control Military Industrial Complex that seeks domination, power and control over any who would defy and challenge the American status quo. Eisenhower warned America not to bind our economy to the Industrial Military Complex and like most prophets, he was ignored.

    In 313 AD, Emperor Constantine legitimized Christianity and thus, those who had been considered rebels and outlaws began to enjoy political power and prestige. Jesus’ other name is The Prince of Peace, and with the marriage of church and state, his true teachings were reinterpreted. The justification of warfare and the use of state sponsored violence corrupted what Christ modeled and taught. Jesus was always on about WAKE UP! The Divine already indwells you and all others. Christ taught that to follow him requires that one must love ones enemies; one must forgive those who hate, curse and revile them, without even a thought of payback.

    Christ lived a life that proved evil can be opposed without being mirrored, and that the cycle of a “tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye”, will never bring peace and justice. Before Emperor Constantine brought Christianity into the mainstream, all the early Church Fathers taught –and all Christians never served in the army but instead willingly suffered rather than inflict harm on any other.

    The term Christianity was not coined until three decades after Christ walked the earth. Until the day of Paul, followers of Christ were called members of The Way; the way being what he taught!

  18. Eileen Fleming  April 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    I viscerally feel the pain Jesus might feel over those who claim to be Christian and do NOT know their own faith and 2,000 years ago one was either pagan or Jew. The Jews were chosen to bring the concept of ONE God to the world and Jesus was born into the JEWISH RELIGION.

    And I will repeat myself as no doubt JC did when he was about 33 and he hiked up a hill and sat down under an olive tree and began to teach the people;

    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven.”

    In other words: it is those who know their own spiritual poverty, their own limitations and ‘sins’ honestly and trust God loves them in spite of themselves who already live in the Kingdom of God.

    How comforted we will all be, when we see, we haven’t got a clue, as to the depth and breadth of pure love and mercy of The Divine Mystery of The Universe.

    God’s name in ancient Aramaic is Abba which means Daddy as much as Mommy and He/She: The Lord has said, “My ways are not your ways. My thoughts are not yours.” -Isaiah 55:8

    Christ proclaimed more: “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.”

    The essence of meek is to be patient with ignorance, slow to anger and never hold a grudge. In other words: how comforted you will be when you also know humility; when you know yourself, the good and the bad, for both cut through every human heart.

    “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, they will be filled.”

    In other words: how comforted you will be when your greatest desire is to do what “God requires, and he has already told you what that is; BE JUST, BE MERCIFUL and walk humbly with your Lord.”-Micah 6:8

    “Blessed are the merciful, they will be shown mercy.”

    In other words: how comforted you will all be when you choose to return only kindness to your ‘enemy.’

    “For with the measure you measure against another, it will be measured back to you” Christ warns his disciples as he explains the law of karma in Luke 6:27-38.

    “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they see God.”

    In other words: how comforted you will be when you WAKE UP and see God is already within you, within every man, every woman and every child. The Supreme Being is everywhere, the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end. Beyond The Universe -and yet so small; within the heart of every atom.

    “Blessed are The Peacemakers: THEY shall be called the children of God.”

    And what a wonderful world it would be when we all seek peace by pursuing justice; for there can be none without the other.

    “Blessed are those who are persecuted because they do what God requires, theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven.”

    And one fine day the lion will lie down with The Lamb and man will make war no more; and create the Kingdom of God on planet earth.

    PS: The only ‘sin’ may just be selfishness.

  19. beausoleil  April 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Why don’t you viscerally feel the pain of Christians when you call Jesus a Jew. Yuk.

  20. beausoleil  April 1, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Wow, you people just have no idea how aggravating you are do you with all your jewish supremacy. No wonder people can’t stand jews.

  21. cartermandew  April 1, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    All that is required to be considered a Jew is to have a Jewish mother and Jesus’ mother Mary was Jewish-thus Jesus was born, lived a died a Jew under Roman Occupation.

  22. cartermandew  April 1, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Too bad you missed the bottom line in the article-“good and the bad-for both cut through every human heart and all FREE WILL means is we get to choose which rules ours.”

  23. cartermandew  April 1, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Anybody else out there to get this point of the article?

    The Christian EXODUS from the Holy land-which is in pieces; Bantustans, has rendered their numbers from 20% of the total population to less than 1.3% since 1948. Their dwindling numbers are due to low birth rates coupled with their escape from a brutal, inhumane military occupation, which is aided and abetted by American foreign policy and ‘we the peoples’ tax dollars.

    In the gospel [good news] told in Mark 3: 31-35, the mother of Jesus’ and his brothers arrived at the house where he was teaching.

Standing outside, they sent word to Jesus and called him out.

    The crowd around Jesus told him, “Your mother, sisters and brothers are outside asking for you.”

Jesus replied, “I am here with my mother, sisters and brothers. For whoever does the will of God is my brother, sister and mother.”-Mark 3: 31-35

    “What does God require? He has told you o’man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord.” – Micah 6:8

    Being just means correct, true, accurate, right and fair.

    Merciful is to have, feel and show compassion, that sense of viscerally feeling the pain of another and being moved to help.

    Being humble is knowing yourself-the good and the bad-for both cut through every human heart and all FREE WILL means is we get to choose which rules ours.

    amen!

  24. ricohands  April 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    I love Eileen but just like you I am amazed she repeats that in just about every article she writes on Jesus hence why i sent it this time.

  25. beausoleil  April 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    If you will go to: antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/ZioNazi_Quotes/Sacrifice_and_Murder.html

    and then read: jimstonefreelance.com/

    You will see that, to say that Jesus was a ‘devout practicing Jew’ is to say that he practiced Satanism, which is the same thing as Talmudic Jewishness, which was practiced at that time and which requires regular sacrificial death offerings of non-jews. The fact that Jesus became their sacrificial victim is proof that the jews considered him to be a non-jew. What he was, was a descendant of the Hebrew people who lived in Jerusalem at the time that David, King of the Gangsters of Questionabale Lineage, took over.

    2 Samuel 20-21 is a biblical description of how David took over the Kingship from the Benjamites, of which King Saul, anointed by God, was a member. David’s usurpation was competely contrary to Jacob/Israel’s last will and testament. The diversion from Torah Judaism to Talmudic Jewish Cult came about at this time through genocide, assassination and terror, it’s all in the bible where great amounts of gloss are unable to cover it up. No other tribe of Isrealites would have called themselves a Jew if they were a member of another tribe at that time, and Jesus may or may not have been a member of the tribe of Judah, that is not clear, but he definitely did not practice Talmudic Satanism. Furthermore, the early history of Mary that was not included in the Bible makes a point of saying that her family would not allow her in the temple before the age of three. They must have been aware of the Talmudic instructions that Rabbis can have sex with females under the age of three, which is a Talmudic ‘innovation’ contrary to justice and certainly not mentioned in the Old Testament.

    For those who study scripture, it’s important to understand why the Babylonian exiled/Davidic ‘Jews’ claimed that they were ‘Judah and Benjamin’ in the falsified scripture. It’s because only the tribe of Benjamin had the birthright to occupy Jerusalem within biblical context. The following scriptural reference tells what really happened to the tribe of Benjamin and how the murder of Jesus by the Jews was simply more of what had been a continual reign of murder and terror by the Pharisee Gangster Davidic usurpers against the real Hebrews who had recieved the Torah.

    This is the story of the “Embrace of Death”, and it should sound a warning to every American who deals with ‘Israel’ :

    “Joab (David’s General) said to Amasa (a Benjamite) , “Is it well with you, my brother?” And Joab took Amasa by the beard with his right hand to kiss him. But Amasa did not notice the sword in Joab’s hand; Joab struck him in the belly so that his entrails poured out on the ground, and he died…Then Joab and his brothger Abishai pursued Sheba son of Bichri (Benjamites)…a man of the hill country of Ephraim (now called Syria, it was the inheritance of the tribes of Joseph)…and they cut off the head of Sheba son of Bichri, and threw it out to Joab…Let seven of his (King Saul of the Benjamites) sons be handed over to us, and we will impale them before the Lord…The King (David) said, “I will hand them over”…and they impaled them on the mountain…(later) David grew weary…Isbenob, one of the descendants of the giants…said he would kill David. But Abishai son of Seruiah came to his aid, and attacked the Philistine (giant) and killed him… (2 Samuel 20-21)

    This and other scriptural references clarify that the tribes of Benjamin and Joseph were always united and that they separated from the ‘Talmudic Jews’ and gathered in Syria (Hills of Ephraim) at the time of the usurpation by David. Benjamites would never have united with Judaites, it goes contrary to logic and to many other references, if you read the entire history. And it’s doubtful that the returned exiles were even real Judaites, as the book of Ezra details. The falsity of the ‘Judaite-Benjamite’ claim of union is further emphasized at Ezra 3:12 when the new temple was being built, not for God, but “as King Cyrus of Persia commanded us” said the returnees. It states “But many of the priests and Levites and heads of families, old people who had seen the first house on its foundations, wept with a loud voice when they saw this house…” (referring to the new temple being built by whoever returned from Babylon).

    A very careful reading of Ezra and Nehamiah demonstrates that there was not a consensus within the religious community of Jerusalem ever since long before Jesus was born. Furthermore, the Babylonian returnees may not have actually been Hebrews at all for the most part, and they certainly practiced a religion that was nothing short of appalling. So please, we are all up to our neck with the jews usurping everything. They not only want our money, our health and our children, they want to steal our heritage as well and call Jesus a jew? Enough is enough.

  26. Charlotte NC Bill  April 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Pilate had a sense of justice but the Pharisees threatened him with insurrection if he didn’t crucify this innocent Man for them..”Send him to Herod”….”I will punish him and let Him go..” Shall I free Jeshua or ( this obvious scumbag ) Barrabas? ” ” Behold the man” Ecce homo…after the scourging…”isn’t this enough? what evil has he done? ” Kinda proves that if anyone deserved to be occupied ( and thoroughly scattered in 70 A.D. ) it was the Pharisees and their followers.

  27. DaveE  April 1, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Great post, and exactly right. All four Gospels tell of Pilate not wanting to crucify Christ but bowed to Jewish pressure. Some things never change.

  28. PhilipShahak  April 1, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I am amazed that Eileen Fleming puts the blame for the death of Jesus onto the Romans. Hasn’t she read the Gospels? What on earth is wrong with her?

  29. ricohands  April 1, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Words copied and pasted from another site which explains it best for me: ” I would like to demonstrate that it was the Jews, and NOT the Romans, who were totally and completely responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

    Through the medium of artistic image we have been accustomed to the perception that The Romans crucified Jesus Christ. This is even assumed from the words of The Apostles Creed, “He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.”

    However, we have a much surer, and accurate, eye witness account, in the Gospel of St. John.
    An attentive reading of Chapters 18 and 19, of St. John’s Gospel, will show clearly that it was in very fact, the Jews, and NOT The Romans, who actually were the animate actors in Jesus’ crucifixion.
    It is an assumption to think that The Romans were the only power in Judea that had men at arms capable of carrying out the act of crucifying Christ.

    There were in very fact two other military bands, with delegated authority, in Jerusalem.
    The first, are the soldiers of King Herod. The second are the soldiers of The Temple, under the High Priest and Sanhedrin.

    We read of the latter in this passage of St. John, from the 18th chapter, concerning Jesus’ arrest.
    “These things having said, Jesus went forth with his disciples beyond the brook of Kedron, where was a garden, into which he entered, himself and his disciples, and Judas also, who delivered him up, had known the place, because many times did Jesus assemble there with his disciples. Judas, therefore, having taken the band and officers out of the chief priests and Pharisees, doth come thither with torches and lamps, and weapons;” John 18: 1-3

    The emphatic description here, of those who are apprehending Jesus Christ is, “the band and officers out of the chief priests and Pharisees”. These are the officers and soldiers of The Temple. These are Jews.
    In the particulars of Jesus’ arrest we also read, “The band, therefore, and the captain, and the officers of the Jews, took hold on Jesus, and bound him, and they led him away to Annas first, for he was father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was chief priest of that year,” John 18: 12-13.

    This band, and captain, designates a military guard. They are soldiers, with a captain and officers. “Mobs” do not have captains and officers. These are Temple Soldiers, and they are Jews.
    It is important to note the interaction between Pontius Pilate and The Jews throughout the passion narrative.

    In chapter 18 and the 31st verse Pilate addresses the Jews, saying, ” ‘Take ye him — ye — and according to your law judge him;’ the Jews, therefore, said to him, `It is not lawful to us to put any one to death;’” John 18: 31

    “After talking with Jesus, Pilate again addresses the Jews, saying, ‘I do find no fault in him; and ye have a custom that I shall release to you one in the Passover; will ye, therefore, that I shall release to you the king of the Jews?’ therefore they all cried out again, saying, `Not this one — but Barabbas;’ and Barabbas was a robber”. John 18:38 – 40

    To pacify the spastic Jews, Pilate then scourges Christ, hoping this will defuse the situation. “Then, therefore, did Pilate take Jesus and scourge him, and the soldiers having plaited a crown of thorns, did place it on his head, and a purple garment they put around him, and said, `Hail! the king of the Jews;` and they were giving him slaps.” John 19: 1 – 3

    This humiliation of Christ was ordered by Pilate; therefore, it would be Roman Soldiers who administered the punishments in this particular instance. However, as I shall show, this would be the last interaction between Christ and Roman Soldiers.

    Again, after the scourging, Pilate presents Jesus to the Jews, and declares Jesus’ innocence. “Pilate, therefore, again went forth without, and saith to them, `Lo, I do bring him to you without, that ye may know that in him I find no fault;`Jesus, therefore, came forth without, bearing the thorny crown and the purple garment; and he saith to them, `Lo, the man!” John 19: 4 -5

    Here the Jews clamor again for Christ’s death. At this, Pilate again proclaims Jesus’ innocence; and, refuses to execute Him.

    Pilate then tells the Jews, that if they want Him crucified, they themselves, must do it! “When, therefore, the chief priests and the officers did see him, they cried out, saying, ‘Crucify, crucify;’ Pilate saith to them, `Take ye him — ye, and crucify; for I find no fault in him;” John 19:6

    Again Pilate talks with Christ, and again seeks to free Him. “Pilate, therefore, saith to him, ‘To me dost thou not speak? hast thou not known that I have authority to crucify thee, and I have authority to release thee?’ Jesus answered, ‘Thou wouldst have no authority against me, if it were not having been given thee from above; because of this, he who is delivering me up to thee hath greater sin.

    “From this time was Pilate seeking to release him, and the Jews were crying out, saying, ‘If this one thou mayest release, thou art not a friend of Caesar; every one making himself a king, doth speak against Caesar.’” John 19 10 – 12

    Pilate once more presents Christ to the Jews. “Pilate, therefore, having heard this word, brought Jesus without — and he sat down upon the tribunal — to a place called, ‘Pavement,’ and in Hebrew, Gabbatha; and it was the preparation of the Passover, and as it were the sixth hour, and he saith to the Jews, ‘Lo, your king!’ and they cried out, ‘Take away, take away, crucify him;’ Pilate saith to them, `Your king shall I crucify?` the chief priests answered, `We have no king except Caesar.` John 19: 13 – 15

    It is at this place in the narrative when Pilate capitulates to the Jews.

    It is of the greatest importance to understand what is to take place next.

    Pilate has already proclaimed that Jesus is innocent. He has also proclaimed that if The Jews wanted Christ crucified, that THEY would have to do it THEMSELVES!

    That the Jews DID do it THEMSELVES is clearly stated in the next passage!

    “Then, therefore, he (Pilate) delivered him (Christ) up to them (The Jews), that he may be crucified, and they (The Jews) took Jesus and led him away, and bearing his cross, he went forth to the place called Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew Golgotha; where they (The Jews) crucified him, and with him two others, on this side, and on that side, and Jesus in the midst.

    Further proof that “The Soldiers” who carried out the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, The Son of God, were Jews and not Romans comes from the more remote contexts, that are referenced as being the fulfillment of prophecies, concerning The Messiah’s suffering AT THE HANDS OF THE JEWS!

    They are found in the 22nd Psalm. These ‘prophecies’ of Christ’s suffering at the hands of His Own were written by David ‘The Prophet’ and were all fulfilled it Golgotha!

    “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? ” Psalm 22:1

    “And I am a worm, and no man, A reproach of man, and despised of the people (The Jews). Psalm 22:6
    All (The Jews) beholding me do mock at me, They (The Jews) make free with the lip — shake the head,” Psalm 22:7

    “They (The Jews) have opened against me their mouth, A lion tearing and roaring.” Psalm 22:13

    “And to the dust of death thou appointest me, For surrounded me have dogs, A company of evil doers have compassed me, (The Jews) Piercing my hands and my feet.” Psalm 22: 16

    “I count all my bones — they (The Jews) look expectantly, They (The Jews) look upon me,They (The Jews) apportion my garments to themselves (The Jews) And for my clothing they (The Jews) cause a lot to fall.” Psalm 22: 17 -18

    These prophecies being fulfilled by The Jews, upon their Messiah, we can accordingly conclude by the rules of language, and logic; that, the verses here speak emphatically of Jew Temple Soldiers
    .
    “The (Jew Temple) soldiers, therefore, when they (The Jew Temple Soldiers) did crucify Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to each (Jew Temple) soldier a part, also the coat, and the coat was seamless, from the top woven throughout, they (The Jew Temple Soldiers) said, therefore, to one another, `We may not rend it, but cast a lot for it, whose it shall be;` that the Writing might be fulfilled, that is saying, `They (The Jews) divided my garments to themselves, and upon my raiment they (The Jews) did cast a lot;` the (Jew Temple) soldiers, therefore, indeed, did these things” John 19: 23 – 24

    There also remains one very solid understanding that declares, The Jews, and they alone killed Christ!
    This understanding is that of the governmental structure in place at the time.

    Rome was the supreme head. Pilate was Rome’s representative, and authority. Under “The Pax Romana,” the subjected country also had a “puppet king.”

    This was King Herod, who also commanded his own soldiers. The pacification of Judea by the Romans also allowed for them to retain their customary religious structure. This included animal sacrifices, their ‘days and Sabbaths,’ their priesthood, and their temple; which retained it’s “guard” of Jew soldiers.
    The points of affirmation are; that Pilate had refused to crucify Christ. As the voice of Rome’s authority his decision must stand.

    That Pilate knew that the Jews had soldiers capable of the task, and so declared, “I find no guilt in Him. If you want Him crucified, you take Him, and do it yourselves.”

    That Pilate delivered Christ over to THEM, and that THEY took and crucified Him is clearly stated.
    To think that any Roman Soldier would countermand Pilate’s decision, and as such, engage Rome in this “unlawful execution” where in Rome (Pilate) had found Him Innocent; would be unthinkable mutiny.

    To think that any Roman Soldier would countermand Pilate’s ruling, and then submit to the authority of the Jew’s Temple rather than Ceasar, would be betrayal, desertion, and mutiny.

    We must conclude, in the light of these facts, that NO Roman soldiers could have participated in Christ’s death.

    Therefore the “soldiers” spoken of in all the Gospel Narratives of Christ’s Crucifixion, were Jews, of either Herod’s cohort, or, The Temple Guard.

    Further testimony, from Scripture, that it was the Jews who killed Christ can be found from St. Peter.
    “Men, Israelites! hear these words, Jesus the Nazarene, a man approved of God among you by mighty works, and wonders, and signs, that God did through him in the midst of you, according as also ye yourselves have known; this one, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, being given out, having taken by lawless hands, having crucified — ye (The Jews) did slay;” Acts 2: 22-23
    “`The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, did glorify His child Jesus, whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, he having given judgment to release him, and ye the Holy and Righteous One did deny, and desired a man — a murderer — to be granted to you, and the Prince of the life ye (The Jews) did kill, whom God did raise out of the dead, of which we are witnesses;” Acts 3: 13-15
    Further testimony comes from scripture by way of St. Paul.
    “For ye became imitators, brethren, of the assemblies of God that are in Judea in Christ Jesus, because such things ye suffered, even ye, from your own countrymen, as also they from the Jews, who did both put to death the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and did persecute us, and God they are not pleasing, and to all men are contrary,” 1 Thessalonians 2: 14-15″

    So there you have it. A step by step account of the crucifixion of Lord Jesus Christ.

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